Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:41:03 +0700, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I am not sure, but I think we bought it on Thursdays. With the schedule starting Saturdays. Or thereabouts. Here in Thailand, we have monthly schedules for cable, and daily (in the newspapers) for terrestrial TV. So you see my point... don't you? :-) By the way, I am also here in Thailand... as of today and for the next 10 days. A hectic schedule in Bangkok, then three days of meetings in Chiangmai, and then again a few hectic days in Bangkok before heading back to Israel. But, hey, while I don't have my TB here, Gmail at a nearby Internet Cafe is working fine. So the problem s solved? Let's just say that the problem seems to be getting solved. :-) -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.8 Current beta is 3.0.2.8 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
Hello Avi, On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 05:05:30 +0200 GMT (29/11/2004, 10:05 +0700 GMT), Avi Yashar wrote: [ISO] Their intention is to create standards which will lead to easy understanding across cultures. For example in the air transport industry, everybody knows that day 1 is Monday, and no additional cultural explanation is necessary. AY No argument there. But it gets less clear when you go to other AY industries or various aspects of those industries. I'm not aware of that. AY For example, considering the entertainment industry, what day(s) AY of the week does a TV schedule come out on in Germany? I am not sure, but I think we bought it on Thursdays. With the schedule starting Saturdays. Or thereabouts. Here in Thailand, we have monthly schedules for cable, and daily (in the newspapers) for terrestrial TV. AY Why should this be thrust on TB users like some sort of religious AY dogma? Only if you consider international standardisation a religious dogma. AY Thomas, I don't consider international standards to be a dogma. The AY dogmatism comes when those standards are imposed in such a way that AY you cannot customize according to local conventions or your personal AY preference. Standard or no standard, we should still have the right to AY set our preferences on matters as fundamental as a calendar (or, AY otherwise, see a calendar that we are accustomed to). I have no objection against this. AY That is what I objected to in the TB interface that launched this AY debate, and it appears that my concern is being resolved by AY Ritlabs (which I appreciate). So the problem s solved? -- Cheers, Thomas. Every day, the hummingbird eats its own weight in food. You may wonder how it weighs the food. It doesn't. It just eats another hummingbird. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.0.2.8 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
Hello Avi, On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:09:43 +0200 GMT (12/11/2004, 02:09 +0700 GMT), Avi Yashar wrote: AY Thomas, if we are going to get down to such detail, then in Hebrew, AY Sunday is Yom Rishon (First Day). Sunday being the first day of the week is also what I grew up with. It turned out that most countries use another way of counting, namely starting with Monday. I have no religious association with any day of the week, and since Monday is the first working day of the working week, I think this makes sense. AY Furthermore, the vast majority of Western calendars and the AY standard calendar in the Windows operating system (at least the AY English version) shows Sunday as the first day of the week. You may be right about Windows, I don't know. I am certainly uncertain about your assumption about the vast majority of Western calandars. Please enlighten me - a URL will do. AY Even if ISO has set a standard, their decision might not have been the AY best. Their intention is to create standards which will lead to easy understanding across cultures. For example in the air transport industry, everybody knows that day 1 is Monday, and no additional cultural explanation is necessary. AY And, good or bad, it is still too soon for Ritlabs to be AY imposing that standard in a rigid fashion. I disagree, but then, this is what this thread is about. AY Why should this be thrust on TB users like some sort of religious AY dogma? Only if you consider international standardisation a religious dogma. AY Why not retain - or at least allow the retention of - the rich AY context of an historical and cultural legacy? Because in international communication, standards are useful. If you are talking about social sciences, I agree with you. -- Cheers, Thomas. Would a fly without wings be called a walk? Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.0.2.8 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:30:34 +0700, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Sunday being the first day of the week is also what I grew up with. It turned out that most countries use another way of counting, namely starting with Monday. I have no religious association with any day of the week, and since Monday is the first working day of the working week, I think this makes sense. It is hard for me to believe that most use another way of counting. Many European countries have *switched*, but that is not so much common outside of Europe (to the best of my knowledge). I have been a constant traveler for well over 30 years, thereby acquiring citizenship or residency in many countries in various parts of the world. Easily eight out of ten calendars that I have seen start with Sunday. That is how it is done in the Americas (North and South), Africa, and the Indian Sub-Continent. That is a large part of the world. China has its own unique tradition; but for civil purposes, the Gregorian calendar (presumably the traditional one with Sunday as the first day of the week) is used. You may be right about Windows, I don't know. I am certainly uncertain about your assumption about the vast majority of Western calandars. Please enlighten me - a URL will do. Well, maybe I used the word Western in a confusing way. I was just trying to give the sort of picture that I mentioned above. Western Imperialism (Greek, Roman, German, French, British, and American) for the most part imposed a seven-day week that begins on Sunday. It is doubtful that recent European changes to the calendar have been adopted in other parts of the world - especially considering the tremendous influence (for better or worse) of the United States in world affairs. An interesting site you might like to look at in respect to software development and calendars is the following Microsoft page, which also gives some clues as to how the calendar might be changed in Windows: http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/getWR/steps/wrg_clndr.mspx Though it is not directly stated but only implied, it seems that Microsoft still considers Sunday to be the first day of the week for most countries that use the Gregorian calendar. Their intention is to create standards which will lead to easy understanding across cultures. For example in the air transport industry, everybody knows that day 1 is Monday, and no additional cultural explanation is necessary. No argument there. But it gets less clear when you go to other industries or various aspects of those industries. For example, considering the entertainment industry, what day(s) of the week does a TV schedule come out on in Germany? AY And, good or bad, it is still too soon for Ritlabs to be AY imposing that standard in a rigid fashion. I disagree, but then, this is what this thread is about. Yes, that is what this thread is about. And I respect your disagreement. AY Why should this be thrust on TB users like some sort of religious AY dogma? Only if you consider international standardisation a religious dogma. Thomas, I don't consider international standards to be a dogma. The dogmatism comes when those standards are imposed in such a way that you cannot customize according to local conventions or your personal preference. Standard or no standard, we should still have the right to set our preferences on matters as fundamental as a calendar (or, otherwise, see a calendar that we are accustomed to). That is what I objected to in the TB interface that launched this debate, and it appears that my concern is being resolved by Ritlabs (which I appreciate). AY Why not retain - or at least allow the retention of - the rich AY context of an historical and cultural legacy? Because in international communication, standards are useful. If you are talking about social sciences, I agree with you. I am talking about TB. Otherwise this discussion would be OT and liable to attract a trout. :-) -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.8 Current beta is 3.0.2.8 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
Hello Maurice, On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 07:56:45 +0100 GMT (10/11/2004, 13:56 +0700 GMT), Maurice Snellen wrote: MS In most germanic languages and even in English (anglo-saxon), the MS names of the days are derived from nature and scandinavian gods. MS Other languages may have the same, but I'm not familiar enough MS with them to comment. Just to chip in here: In Chinese, Monday is called Day-one, Tuesday is Day-two. There is an exception to the rule on the weekend, I forgot. In Thai, the days are named after celestial bodies: Monday is Moon-Day, Tuesday is Venus-Day (if I'm not mixing up the names of the planets). Sunday is Sun-Day. -- Cheers, Thomas. Deine Stereoanlage hat aber viele Knoepfe! - Na, ja, mit Reissverschluss saehe sie ja auch ziemlich bloed aus. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:18:13 +0700, Thomas Fernandez wrote: In Chinese, Monday is called Day-one, Tuesday is Day-two. There is an exception to the rule on the weekend, I forgot. Thomas, if we are going to get down to such detail, then in Hebrew, Sunday is Yom Rishon (First Day). The numbering continues until Saturday, which is called Yom Shabat (Sabbath Day). Furthermore, the vast majority of Western calendars and the standard calendar in the Windows operating system (at least the English version) shows Sunday as the first day of the week. Even if ISO has set a standard, their decision might not have been the best. And, good or bad, it is still too soon for Ritlabs to be imposing that standard in a rigid fashion. Why should this be thrust on TB users like some sort of religious dogma? Perhaps from some absolute perspective, the numbers assigned to the days of the week are largely arbitrary. ISO might just as well have declared Wednesday as the first day of the week. After all, these are just communication symbols. But why use symbols that are likely to confuse? Why use symbols that impose unnecessary definitions? Why use symbols that are likely to offend the religious or cultural sensibilities of others? Why not retain - or at least allow the retention of - the rich context of an historical and cultural legacy? -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.5 Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
Hello Avi! On Monday, November 08, 2004, 6:25 PM, you wrote: AY ... But, despite ISO's standard, any decent scheduler - and let's AY not forget that all of this discussion about a TB setting under AY Preferences is in connection with the TB scheduler - makes AY allowances for those differences. All night that verse from Psalm 90 (v. 12 in the King James Version) has been running through my head: So teach us to number our days that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom. I'm sure you will agree with Dierk that under Jewish (and later, Christian) tradition, Sunday was from the beginning the first day of the week. Sidebar: Interesting that in English all the names reflect pagan gods, mostly Norse (and nearly all of them also in German, if I understand that much German). Still, I am inclined to agree with you that The Bat!'s Scheduler should be flexible, to reflect the varying needs of its users, whether corporate or private. In just the same way as the reporting from various time zones is flexible. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 07:01:42 -0600, Mary Bull wrote: AY ... But, despite ISO's standard, any decent scheduler - and let's AY not forget that all of this discussion about a TB setting under AY Preferences is in connection with the TB scheduler - makes AY allowances for those differences. I'm sure you will agree with Dierk that under Jewish (and later, Christian) tradition, Sunday was from the beginning the first day of the week. Sidebar: Interesting that in English all the names reflect pagan gods, mostly Norse (and nearly all of them also in German, if I understand that much German). Mary, of course, I agree. And that was why in my very first posting on this subject I wrote: Since when has 'manday' (misspelled and wrong case) become the first day of the week and 'sunday' (wrong case) become the seventh day of the week? That has been my main point - and my main objection - from the beginning. I do *not* think that Ritlabs should follow the ISO standard on this point. I personally think that the ISO standard here is entirely philistine and likely to offend the sensibilities of many - both religious and non-religious. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.5 Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
Hello Avi! On Tuesday, November 09, 2004, 9:24 AM, you wrote: AY ... But, despite ISO's standard, any decent scheduler - and AY let's not forget that all of this discussion about a TB setting AY under Preferences is in connection with the TB scheduler - makes AY allowances for those differences. MB I'm sure you will agree with Dierk that under Jewish (and later, MB Christian) tradition, Sunday was from the beginning the first day of MB the week. ... AY Mary, of course, I agree. ... Felt sure you did. That was how I interpreted your first posting, which went into the background of your philosophy at such length. AY ... And that was why in my very first posting on this subject I AY wrote: Since when has 'manday' (misspelled and wrong case) become AY the first day of the week and 'sunday' (wrong case) become the AY seventh day of the week? That has been my main point - and my AY main objection - from the beginning. I do *not* think that Ritlabs AY should follow the ISO standard on this point. I personally think AY that the ISO standard here is entirely philistine and likely to AY offend the sensibilities of many - both religious and AY non-religious. As I said in my reply, I agree with your first paragraph quoted above, that the Scheduler should be flexible and allow users a choice. And as I wrote--somewhat lightheartedly in my first comment on this thread--I'm just happy to get any real-world days at all: no way of knowing how many Ive got left! :) I do think this matter should have the attention of the programmers. Should we make a wish, or a BT report? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
Hello Avi! On Tuesday, November 9, 2004 at 4:24:56 PM you wrote: Mary, of course, I agree. And that was why in my very first posting on this subject I wrote: Since when has 'manday' (misspelled and wrong case) become the first day of the week and 'sunday' (wrong case) become the seventh day of the week? Since Christian Sabbath has - purely to distinguish oneself from Jews - shifted from Saturday to Sunday. As I wrote (and was obviously misunderstood) the last day of the week is the resting day! -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Sonar no cuesta nada (Träumen kostet nichts.). Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
Hello Dierk! On Tuesday, November 09, 2004, 9:45 AM, you wrote: AV Mary, of course, I agree. And that was why in my very first AV posting on this subject I wrote: Since when has 'manday' AV (misspelled and wrong case) become the first day of the week and AV 'sunday' (wrong case) become the seventh day of the week? DH Since Christian Sabbath has - purely to distinguish oneself from DH Jews - shifted from Saturday to Sunday. As I wrote (and was DH obviously misunderstood) the last day of the week is the resting DH day! Dierk, I did misunderstand you. Sorry. In my fundamentalist Christian upbringing I was taught that Sunday is the first day of the week. A scripture was quoted to justify having the communion service on Sunday: And on the first day of the week, when the disciples were gathered together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, and continued his speech until midnight. Of course, the word Sunday wasn't used in the scripture. But those of that sect which I was brought up in, taught that Sunday was what was meant. And they called Sunday the first day of the week. As you know, I am of the agnostic/atheist persuasion now. And it's a matter of no importance to me how the Scheduler is set up. I just thought that those to whom it does seem important should have a choice. As I said to Avi, just now. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fascinating as this is, it's wandered a bit OT hasn't it? - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.4 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Aided by BayesIt! 0.7.3, MyGate and rss2mail. PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com Children seldom misquote you. (In fact, they usually repeat word for word what you shouldn't have said.) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 Comment: Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com; iQA/AwUBQZDpp9ttnLhkydF1EQKoJwCfeyFOyLQtrJvbqsdE6yia7SFFfKsAmgNd Dw+WgYwLvy0SaBziLsYO4j5a =7z6R -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
Hello Stuart! On Tuesday, November 09, 2004, 10:00 AM, you wrote: SH Fascinating as this is, it's wandered a bit OT hasn't it? No, I don't think so, myself. It's the philosophical underpinning as to what should be available in The Bat!'s Scheduler. Do you not agree? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MB Do you not agree? No not really. The point was covered when someone suggested that the start of the week should be configurable. Maybe I'm being short but I've just lived through this same discussion on my online conferencing system about their calendar. Let's just post a wish on BT for it to be configurable and move on. - -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.0.2.4 Rush on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Aided by BayesIt! 0.7.3, MyGate and rss2mail. PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com A short fortune teller escaped from prison, the Headlines read Small medium at large. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 Comment: Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com; iQA/AwUBQZDukNttnLhkydF1EQI/awCgsnqhbf5kCPggADQNFe+Gc9+bdyQAoN+C jmuT1ooraQzZYcUup62DgEMz =YDy0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
Quoting Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Dierk! On Tuesday, November 09, 2004, 9:45 AM, you wrote: --snipped- I just thought that those to whom it does seem important should have a choice. As I said to Avi, just now. :) What I determine to be said here, under the desires of beta testers and their dialog, is that TB should be as flexible in this regard as it is with the use of QTs, templates, regular expressions, et al. It should allow the users to configure the program to best fit their tasks. Dennis -- Dennis Hays http://www.HaysDesign.com http://www.egseries.com +1 518.331.3232 Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
On 2004-11-09 at 16:57:38 Mary Bull wrote: In my fundamentalist Christian upbringing I was taught that Sunday is the first day of the week. A scripture was quoted to justify having the communion service on Sunday: I'm not a Christian (IANAC :), but Genesis 2 seems to say (after the creation of, well, everything): 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. How much more plain would you like it? :) Anyway, it should be configurable of course, since this tends to differ by country, AFAICS. pgpFkxp5wn46p.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
Hello Dimitry! On Tuesday, November 09, 2004, 12:44 PM, you wrote: DA How much more plain would you like it? :) :) DA Anyway, it should be configurable of course, since this tends to DA differ by country, AFAICS. Well, as Stuart Hemming said, it's time to put it on BT. So, who's going to do it and is it a Wish? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
On Tuesday, November 9, 2004, 10:21:35 AM, Stuart Hemming wrote: Let's just post a wish on BT for it to be configurable and move on. I guess the world could be a better place if everyone could decide they were ready to move on at the same time. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 3.0.1.33 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:45:45 +0100, Dierk Haasis wrote: Since Christian Sabbath has - purely to distinguish oneself from Jews - shifted from Saturday to Sunday. As I wrote (and was obviously misunderstood) the last day of the week is the resting day! Dierk, I think this discussion tends to go OT. Therefore, I am trying not to fan the flames, so to speak. But, FWIW, I think that your analysis is a bit simplistic. Logically, there is no reason why the week must end with a resting day rather than begin with a resting day. Moreover, AFAIK, most historians do not think that early Christians moved their sabbath from Saturday to Sunday only to distinguish themselves from Jews. That was one reason, no doubt. But another reason, and perhaps a more important reason, was to compete with popular Roman religions, most notably Mithraism, whose primary day of worship was the first day of the week (Sunday) rather than the last day of the week (Saturday). This became important circa 50AD when James the Less took the ruling decision to accept gentiles into the early Christian Community at the Council of Jerusalem (as reported in chapter 15 of Acts). Rather than pursue this debate here, let me just recommend a book on this and many related topics. (Mary, you might also find this book interesting.) You can read it online or download it for printing at http://www.israel.amps.org/FFF/ -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.5 Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:18:50 -0600, Mary Bull wrote: Well, as Stuart Hemming said, it's time to put it on BT. So, who's going to do it and is it a Wish? The spelling is a mistake. The numbering seems to be a limitation (and an annoyance). But as spelling and many of the various GUI goofs are somewhat akin to the whole documentation issue, then I guess you could say that all of this falls somewhere in the realm of unfullfilled dreams. :-) Mary, you understand the problem, and you also know your way around BT better than most of us. I haven't a clue where to file wishes. (Usually I just sprinkle a little fairy dust and think happy thoughts.) So I am content to let you manage the report if you will be kind enough to do so. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.5 Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
Hello Avi! On Tuesday, November 09, 2004, 4:23 PM, you wrote: MB Well, as Stuart Hemming said, it's time to put it on BT. So, MB who's going to do it and is it a Wish? AY The spelling is a mistake. ... The spelling has been corrected in v. 3.0.2.6 . So the programmers are reading us. AY The numbering seems to be a limitation (and an annoyance). ... To some it is. And others potentially may find it so. AY ... So I am content to let you manage the report if you will be AY kind enough to do so. In that case, I think I shall wait and see what the next beta brings, as the spelling was corrected in this one. It is not a big concern to me--will not affect my life at all to have the numbering begin 1 Monday. But I do think the option to renumber the days should be there for those who want it. It may happen even without a formal wish being written up at BT. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Numbering Our Days [was Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome]]
On Tuesday, November 9, 2004 at 17:24 (which was Tuesday, November 9, 2004 at 16:24 where I am) Avi Yashar wrote: I do *not* think that Ritlabs should follow the ISO standard on this point. I personally think that the ISO standard here is entirely philistine and likely to offend the sensibilities of many - both religious and non-religious. Regardless of which day you list first, there might be at least one person who will be offended. On my Palm organizer, I use an alternat calendar application called DateBk5 (found on http://www.pimlicosoftware.com in case someone is interested) that, unlike the default built-in calendar, has the ability to specify any weekday as the first day of the week. Interface and programmingwise I think we would be adding unnecessary complexity to the preferences sheet in question if Ritlabs would have to shift the weekdays depending on the cultural or religious background of the user, but others may differ. I think that at least two wishes are in order: 1) to have an option specifying the first day of the week and 2) that only abbreviations be used to reference the days of the week and not numbers. I have the feeling that much more than the order of presentation, the fact that they are so explicitly numbered now is part of the reason why this thread is getting so many messages. On another note, I find it funny that while several people are using religious arguments why Ritlabs should not enforce the use of ISO calendar standards upon us, I have so far not seen any requests to have TB! support other calendar systems such as the Jewish or Muslim calendars that obviously differ from the generally used Gregorian one. In case Ritlabs is interested, there is a great book called 'Calendrical calculations' that shows conversion methods between some 30 calendars including the aforementioned Jewish, Muslim and Gregorian calendars and includes also Bahai, Maya, Koptic, Julian etc. The related website is http://www.calendarists.com/. As a matter of history, months and weeks (ordering days in groups of around 29 and exactly 7 days) pre-date muslim, christian and jewish beliefs alike. In most germanic languages and even in English (anglo-saxon), the names of the days are derived from nature and scandinavian gods. Other languages may have the same, but I'm not familiar enough with them to comment. One thing though: although in recent history Russia has been under communist atheist rule for quite some time, I don't believe the communists ever touched their word for Sunday: Voskresenie (my Russian-English transcription may be off, I'm Dutch) which literally means: resurrection day, refering to the day that Christ resurrected from the grave. -- Greetings, Maurice Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 The Bat! v3.0.2.6; ; Bayes Filter Plugin v1.5.6; AJS v0.6; MyMacros 1.11a; Current beta is 3.0.2.6 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hi Michael, On Sunday, November 7, 2004 14:24 your local time, which was 22:24 my local time, Michael Wilson [MLW] wrote; MLW I love this program and this is a very stable version. I think it MLW needs to be released. I have had no problems. I've received a few AV's here, so not stable on my machine. MLW Perhaps your OS is corrupted? This only happens in TB! on two separate machines. So along with other users on this list who are also seeing AV's I don't this this is OS related, rather TB! related, hence being a beta. Hmmm -- Regards, Chris Created using The Bat! v3.0.2.5 IMAP OS of Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Cleaning up SPAM with Bayes Filter Plugin v1.5.6 Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hello Michael, A reminder of what Michael L. Wilson typed on: 07 November 2004 at 23:26:22 GMT +0100 MLW My reply... MLW Perhaps your OS is corrupted? As is everyone's who's using Winders :) -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 08/11/2004 at 09:38 UTC 2004 - AWB Using The Bat! v3.0.2.5 on Windows XP 5. 1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
On 2004-11-07 (09:52), you wrote:
I love this program and this is a very stable version. I think it
needs to be released. I have had no problems.
But I have problems: CC after retrieving 100% of messages hangs up -
connection is not closed and new email are not in inbox. I must kill CC
and TB!, so I downgrade to 3.0.2.1
Best regards, Krzysztof Kudlacik
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Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hi Michael, old message... My reply... Can you please use another form of reply? This one always irritates me. As you seem to use a reply template try this one: Hi %FROMNAME, %Cursor %Quotes -- Michael -- I'm already gone, Raymund The Bat! 3.0.2.5 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hi Michael, I love this program and this is a very stable version. I think it needs to be released. I have had no problems. Well, I have. IMAP is still kind of broken. Every now and then messages I just read get unread. A folder very I deleted all messages using the webinterface at work, showed 3 unread messages and said there are 3 messages. Clicking on it it presented 6 messages with 3 unread. I thought that maybe the resync wasn't finished but the CC said it was. Deleting the cache showed 3 messages and all unread (all nigeria spam). IMAP is slow. I have set to sync every 2 minutes but the initial resync after program start takes longer than that (for 12 folders) that is obviously too long. -- I'm already gone, Raymund The Bat! 3.0.2.5 on Windows XP Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: 3.0.2.5 is awesome)
Hallo Michael, On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 14:24:54 -0800GMT (7-11-2004, 23:24 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MLW old message... Hi Michael, On Sunday, November 7, 2004 00:52 your local time, which was 08:52 my local time, Michael Wilson [MLW] wrote; moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Michael. ' Please trim replies to context. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof WINDOWS is to computing what Etch-a-Sketch is to art. The Bat! 3.0.2.6 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpDDi8WK7zjC.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
AY On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:25:09 +0100, Jurgen Haug wrote: It always has been where I come from although people of different nationalities and religions may have different views. Same in Germany, first day of the week is Monday, last day (Wochenende = week-end) is Sunday. right, and as far as I know there are even countries where they call Saturday and Sunday WEEKEND, but still say Sunday is the first day of the week. DUH! AY Historically, Sunday is the first day of the week. Even until today, AY not all but quite possibly most Western calendars show Sunday as the AY first day of the week (even though in Western countries it is AY typically part of the weekend). AY Personally, I prefer to recognize (though not necessarily maintain) AY historical legacy - linguistically and culturally - unless there be AY some compelling reason otherwise. Hence I appreciate the modern ISO AY standard for dating - -MM-DD - because it is logical and it AY alphabetizes well. But I have yet to see a compelling reason why day 7 AY should become day 6 and day 1 should become day 7 - especially when AY these distinctions are associated with religious dogma (which I AY generally excoriate). What is the harm if religious people start their Why not just follow what MS-Windows 'date and time properties' window shows? That way TheBat! will remain consistent with the OS. For instance, mine starts with Monday but I don't know if it changes with the regional settings. Best regards, Goncalo Farias -- FORFEIT: What most animals stand on. Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:09:38 +, Gonçalo Farias wrote: Why not just follow what MS-Windows 'date and time properties' window shows? That way TheBat! will remain consistent with the OS. For instance, mine starts with Monday but I don't know if it changes with the regional settings. Good point, Gonçalo. My Control Panel calendar (under Date Time Properties starts with Sunday, and it stays Sunday even when I change time zones. There is no setting under Control Panel Regional Settings that changes the way that calendar looks. But under Regional Options, my Standards and formats are specified to be English (United States) and my Location is United States. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.5 Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
On Monday, November 8, 2004, at 00:29:52 [UTC+0200] (Monday, November 8, 2004 23:29 my local time) Avi Yashar wrote: For instance, mine starts with Monday but I don't know if it changes with the regional settings. My Control Panel calendar (under Date Time Properties starts with Sunday, and it stays Sunday even when I change time zones. There is no setting under Control Panel Regional Settings that changes the way that calendar looks. But under Regional Options, my Standards and formats are specified to be English (United States) and my Location is United States. Very interesting discussions on calendars can be found at http://www.phys.uu.nl/~vgent/calendar/isocalendar.htm ISO defined strict numbering of weeks, days of week, etc. I think it should be used (and probably is) in The Bat! to avoid misunderstanding of time and date in scheduler. -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v3.0.2.6 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 with ) Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 23:47:46 +0100, Zygmunt Wereszczynski wrote: Very interesting discussions on calendars can be found at http://www.phys.uu.nl/~vgent/calendar/isocalendar.htm ISO defined strict numbering of weeks, days of week, etc. I think it should be used (and probably is) in The Bat! to avoid misunderstanding of time and date in scheduler. Zygmunt, if you trace the history of this discussion, you will see that I have already acknowledged that ISO starts the week on Monday. I also stated quite clearly that on this point I choose to differ with ISO. And it seems that I am not alone in this respect, because Microsoft also differs with ISO - or at least provides the flexibility to differ. You must keep in mind that when it comes to dates and calendars, the standards vary widely. This point is clearly explained on the ISO-related URL that you point us to. But, despite ISO's standard, any decent scheduler - and let's not forget that all of this discussion about a TB setting under Preferences is in connection with the TB scheduler - makes allowances for those differences. Imagine that you work for a global company that numbers the weeks of the year in a fashion that is different from the ISO standard. If you want to use the TB scheduler, would it not be annoying to have all of the weeks of the year numbered incorrectly (according to your company) even if it is correct according to ISO? ISO has some logic for changing the numbering of the days so that the first day of the week is Monday and not Sunday. But it is not necessarily the only logic or the best rationale. As I stated earlier, I prefer to maintain the historical and cultural legacy on which the numbering of days is based. The Gregorian calendar, which is the current standard for most of the Western world and has been the standard for well over 400 years, did not differ from the earlier Julian calendar (dating back over 2,000 years) in its recognition of Sunday as the first day of the week. If you examine most Gregorian calendars, you will find that the first day of the week is Sunday. Wiki lovers can check this out by following the link for any month from the following Wikipedia URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_Calendar My personal preference has nothing to do with religion (even though at least the Western numbering of years is closely linked to a religious event, the birth of Jesus). Nevertheless, it is worth mentioning that earlier calendars than the Gregorian or even the Julian calendar also recognized a seven-day week in which Saturday was the seventh day and not the sixth. Consider the Ten Commandments of Moses (circa 1250 BC). In those 10 Commandments you are instructed to keep the sabbath day holy, because God allegedly rested on that day (a rather absurd concept, if you ask me, but many religious people - Jewsih, Christian, and Moslem - take this seriously). Even when the Christian Church associated itself with the Roman Empire and moved its sabbath to Sunday to compete with the primary day of worship of the Roman God, Mithras, those early Christians did not change the calendar. They changed the concept of the sabbath but not the numbering of the days of the week. So among Christians, the Seventh Day Adventists, to mention a sizeable Christian community, broke with mainstream Christianity on just this point. And notice the name of the group - Seventh Day Adventists, the seventh day being Saturday. (You can confirm this if you like at the following URL: http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/.) Similar is the case with Moslems. Islam moved the sabbath from Saturday to Friday; but still Moslems, despite their pathbreaking achievements in the sciences of mathematics and astronomy, never troubled to change the numbering of the days of the week so that Friday would become day 7. In light of all of the above, it seems rather audacious of Ritlabs to impose such a change. :-) -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.5 Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.0.2.5 is awesome
TB BETA ERS, I love this program and this is a very stable version. I think it needs to be released. I have had no problems. -- Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hello Michael! On Sunday, November 7, 2004 at 9:52:21 AM you wrote: I love this program and this is a very stable version. I think it needs to be released. I have had no problems. As the list traffic over the past few days has shown, there are some (major) problems with this version. Not least of it is the current way to get from unencrypted to encrypted message base, which could lead to loss of preferences, filters and perhaps messages. The main purpose of this beta is the flawless transition for the Pro users. That doesn't work quite right because the Backup/Restore has some kinks in it. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request To live at all is miracle enough. (Mervyn Peake) Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hello Michael, A reminder of what Michael L. Wilson typed on: 07 November 2004 at 09:54:54 GMT +0100 MLW I love this program and this is a very stable version. I do too. MLW I think it needs to be released. I have had no problems. Not until the backup and encryption issue is sorted surely? -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 07/11/2004 at 10:51 UTC 2004 - AWB Using The Bat! v3.0.2.5 on Windows XP 5. 1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Michael, Sunday, November 7, 2004, 8:52:21 AM, you wrote: TB BETA ERS, I love this program and this is a very stable version. I think it needs to be released. I have had no problems. Same here excellent job I would say :grin: Sean -- Sean Rima [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 679813 YAHOO: thecivvie O2 +353863868343 Vodafone +353872628431 Im listening to Britney Spears - Everytime ( Hi Bias Radio Remix ). Using TheBat! 3.0.2.5 and BayesIt! 0.7.4 Windows XP (NT 5.1Build 2600 - Service Pack 2) :irl-flag: pgphaN4Uku8ZF.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
I love this program and this is a very stable version. Not here it's not! Too many AVs to even consider a release. -- Regards Clive Taylor Using TB 3.0.2.4 Rush Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
On Sunday, 07 November 2004 at 08:52 (UK time), Michael L. Wilson said: I love this program and this is a very stable version. I think it needs to be released. I have had no problems. What, no smiley? :) The lack of common filters for me (and several others) is a serious bug introduced in the 3.0.2.x builds. Some might say a 'show stopper'? I've logged this as bug #0003983 for those that might be interested or also experiencing this problem. As Ritlabs are still introducing features to the 3.0.2 series it can hardly be ready for release can it? -- Paul White Using The Bat! 3.0.2.5 (Home Edition) on Windows 98 (4.10.1998) Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 12:34:59 +, Paul White wrote: As Ritlabs are still introducing features to the 3.0.2 series it can hardly be ready for release can it? Certainly not, Paul! There are still numerous bugs. On top of that, how can a release go out with that bizarre Anothe settings under Preferences. Forget the misspelled and meaningless Anothe and the lowercase settings, look at the content - something to do with the sheduler (again misspelled). But what are these numbers all about? Since when has manday (misspelled and wrong case) become the first day of the week and sunday (wrong case) become the seventh day of the week? IMHO, if something like this were to go out with untested and unpolished new features, then it would make a mockery of a brilliant round of beta testing. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.5 Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hello Avi! On Sunday, November 7, 2004 at 4:03:20 PM you wrote: IMHO, if something like this were to go out with untested and unpolished new features, then it would make a mockery of a brilliant round of beta testing. Just to get that straight: It was Michael Wilson blaring out about a possible release, *not* RITLabs! I don't have the impression that Stefan, Maxim and the lot are contemplating a release at the moment, not this week or the next, I guess. Whatever Mr Wilson's intention was ... -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Solange man bewundern und lieben kann, ist man immer jung. (Pablo Casals) Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hello all, Sunday, November 7, 2004, Dierk Haasis wrote: IMHO, if something like this were to go out with untested and unpolished new features, then it would make a mockery of a brilliant round of beta testing. Just to get that straight: It was Michael Wilson blaring out about a possible release, *not* RITLabs! I don't have the impression that Stefan, Maxim and the lot are contemplating a release at the moment, not this week or the next, I guess. new version will be Christmas edition and I don't think, it will be released in Autumn, so IMHO we have a month until final release :-) -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.0.2.5 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hi Michael, On Sunday, November 7, 2004 00:52 your local time, which was 08:52 my local time, Michael Wilson [MLW] wrote; MLW I love this program and this is a very stable version. I think it MLW needs to be released. I have had no problems. I've received a few AV's here, so not stable on my machine. :-( -- Regards, Chris Created using The Bat! v3.0.2.5 IMAP OS of Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Cleaning up SPAM with Bayes Filter Plugin v1.5.6 Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hi, I'm missing some messages... for example, Avi replies to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I don't have that message. Is it a problem on my end or are other missing messages, too? Not happened until yesterday... when I installed 3.0.2.5... hmmm... :-? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.2.5 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Deliplayer2 is playing: Time - Cage by Pete Namlook Tetsu Inoue from the 1995 album '62 Eulengasse' Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hello Dierk, I don't have the impression that Stefan, Maxim and the lot are contemplating a release at the moment, not this week or the next, I guess. I believe they said this beta cycle was for the Xmas release. At least that is what I understood in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] from Stephan. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.5 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Winamp Playing: Daryl Hall - What's In Your World (Smoothjazz.Com - The worlds best Smooth Jazz - Live From Monterey Bay) Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
On Sunday, 07 November 2004 at 15:03 (UK time), Avi Yashar said: Since when has manday (misspelled and wrong case) become the first day of the week and sunday (wrong case) become the seventh day of the week? It always has been where I come from although people of different nationalities and religions may have different views. With international airline reservations, computers always hold schedule information by using day numbers 1 to 7, Monday through to Sunday so Ritlab's use of these day numbers doesn't come as any surprise to me. -- Paul White Using The Bat! 3.0.2.5 (Home Edition) on Windows 98 (4.10.1998) Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
On Sunday, 07 November 2004 at 17:13 (UK time), Alexander S. Kunz said: I'm missing some messages... for example, Avi replies to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I don't have that message. Is it a problem on my end or are other missing messages, too? Not happened until yesterday... when I installed 3.0.2.5... hmmm... :-? Alexander, one of my messages didn't make it to the list and another took over an hour to come back to me. Is my ISP losing my mail? Or is the problem with the list server? -- Paul White Using The Bat! 3.0.2.5 (Home Edition) on Windows 98 (4.10.1998) Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hello Paul! On Sunday, November 7, 2004 at 9:06:10 PM you wrote: Since when has manday (misspelled and wrong case) become the first day of the week and sunday (wrong case) become the seventh day of the week? It always has been where I come from although people of different nationalities and religions may have different views. Same in Germany, first day of the week is Monday, last day (Wochenende = week-end) is Sunday. -- Dierk Haasis :Dierk: Copy 'n' Concept The Bat 3.0.2.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Chat info for ICQ, AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Jabber upon request Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own governors, must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives. (James Madison) Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
RE:3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hello Dierk, Sunday, November 7, 2004, 9:31:14 PM, you wrote: It always has been where I come from although people of different nationalities and religions may have different views. Same in Germany, first day of the week is Monday, last day (Wochenende = week-end) is Sunday. right, and as far as I know there are even countries where they call Saturday and Sunday WEEKEND, but still say Sunday is the first day of the week. DUH! -- regards, :eu-flag3: :de-bw: :safaribears: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/24/us_security_fiasco/ Using The Bat! v3.0.2.4 Rush, Opera v7.54.3865 on WinXP Home v2600 SP2 * PGP key available on request: send mail with subject 'PGP key request' pgp1CCcMx1vYf.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
On Sunday, 07 November 2004 at 15:03 (UK time), Avi Yashar said: Since when has manday (misspelled and wrong case) become the first day of the week and sunday (wrong case) become the seventh day of the week? It always has been where I come from although people of different nationalities and religions may have different views. But in the field of international airline reservations, computers always hold schedule information by using day numbers 1 to 7, Monday through to Sunday. -- Paul White Using The Bat! 3.0.2.5 (Home Edition) on Windows 98 (4.10.1998) Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Jürgen! On Sunday, November 07, 2004, 3:25 PM, you wrote: PW It always has been where I come from although people of different PW nationalities and religions may have different views. DH Same in Germany, first day of the week is Monday, last day DH (Wochenende = week-end) is Sunday. JH right, and as far as I know there are even countries where JH they call Saturday and Sunday WEEKEND, but still say Sunday is the JH first day of the week. DUH! LOL Guilty as charged, here! But I'm happy to count the days any way anyone wants to, just so long as I get them! It's such a pleasure to wake up to coffee and these TB! mailing lists every morning. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hello Paul White everyone else 07-Nov-2004 21:11, you wrote: I'm missing some messages... for example, Avi replies to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I don't have that message. Is it a problem on my end or are other missing messages, too? Not happened until yesterday... when I installed 3.0.2.5... hmmm... :-? Alexander, one of my messages didn't make it to the list and another took over an hour to come back to me. Is my ISP losing my mail? Or is the problem with the list server? I don't know. By now it is a couple of mails I'm missing - I noticed it because the threading seemed to be not working. As far as I can see it is only this list, right now I'm still missing your message, one by Tim Casten in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and one by Martin Webster in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... odd. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.2.5 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 If nobody said anything unless he knew what he was talking about, a ghastly hush would descend upon the Earth. -- Sir Alan Herbert Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hello Michael L. Wilson everyone else 07-Nov-2004 09:52, you wrote: I love this program and this is a very stable version. I think it needs to be released. I have had no problems. Where's the wishlist entry for the ignore thread option, please? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.2.5 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Something hidden! Go and find it! (Rudyard Kipling) Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hello Alexander, Sunday, November 7, 2004, 3:35:10 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Alexander, one of my messages didn't make it to the list and another took over an hour to come back to me. Is my ISP losing my mail? Or is the problem with the list server? I don't know. By now it is a couple of mails I'm missing - I noticed it because the threading seemed to be not working. As far as I can see it is only this list, right now I'm still missing your message, one by Tim Casten in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and one by Martin Webster in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... odd. I would guess that some messages for what ever reason are getting hung up in the loop. IIRC I had 1 message sent yesterday that took over 2 hours to come back. This morning messages varied on return. IIRC once you receive message look through kludges and when all time is converted to GMT you will see where the message was hung up by looking at Received headers. Just tells where not why. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
On Sunday, 07 November 2004 at 16:14 (UK time), I said: It always has been where I come from although people of different nationalities and religions may have different views. Aha, the message turned up then, over FIVE hours late. :) -- Paul White Using The Bat! 3.0.2.5 (Home Edition) on Windows 98 (4.10.1998) Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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On Sunday, November 7, 2004, 22:33, Mary Bull wrote: It's such a pleasure to wake up to coffee and these TB! mailing lists every morning. :) You do not call 15:33 morning, do you? :-) -- Regards, Marcus Ohlström Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 PGP Public Key at http://www.canit.se/~marcus/pgp.asc Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Marcus! On Sunday, November 07, 2004, 4:00 PM, you wrote: MB It's such a pleasure to wake up to coffee and these TB! mailing MB lists every morning. :) MO You do not call 15:33 morning, do you? No, no! 5:00 a.m. CST, USA, is morning, here. But that delight informs my entire day, so that I'm still praising my good fortune even in the late afternoon. I'd better hush. There are realists among us who don't like to see the slightest suspicion of a pollyanna attitude! :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.5 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Chris, old message... Hi Michael, On Sunday, November 7, 2004 00:52 your local time, which was 08:52 my local time, Michael Wilson [MLW] wrote; MLW I love this program and this is a very stable version. I think it MLW needs to be released. I have had no problems. I've received a few AV's here, so not stable on my machine. :-( My reply... Perhaps your OS is corrupted? -- Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:25:09 +0100, Jurgen Haug wrote: It always has been where I come from although people of different nationalities and religions may have different views. Same in Germany, first day of the week is Monday, last day (Wochenende = week-end) is Sunday. right, and as far as I know there are even countries where they call Saturday and Sunday WEEKEND, but still say Sunday is the first day of the week. DUH! Historically, Sunday is the first day of the week. Even until today, not all but quite possibly most Western calendars show Sunday as the first day of the week (even though in Western countries it is typically part of the weekend). Personally, I prefer to recognize (though not necessarily maintain) historical legacy - linguistically and culturally - unless there be some compelling reason otherwise. Hence I appreciate the modern ISO standard for dating - -MM-DD - because it is logical and it alphabetizes well. But I have yet to see a compelling reason why day 7 should become day 6 and day 1 should become day 7 - especially when these distinctions are associated with religious dogma (which I generally excoriate). What is the harm if religious people start their week with a day of prayer or rest rather than end their week with a day or prayer or rest? And what difference does it make to airline travel if people fly on day 6 rather than day 5? So here I choose to differ with ISO. In any event, my suggestion would be to list the days of the week by name (possibly abbreviated but certainly spelled correctly and with the usual capitalization) and avoid putting numbers on them. In that case I would not care which day is listed first, because the whole point of this exercise is to define the workweek and not the numerical order of the days. -- Avi Yashar Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro 3.0.2.5 Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.0.2.5 is awesome
Hi Michael L. Wilson - On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, at 14:24:54 [GMT -0800] (which was 2:24 PM where I live) you wrote: Perhaps your OS is corrupted? Perhaps it isn't and there are still bugs. I get various AV's and our test bed is a virgin system so the OS is certainly not corrupted. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.0.2.5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current beta is 3.0.2.5 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
