Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
MAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SNIP A screen capture of of Spell Checker Options dialog would also help. As I said in a reply to Graham in this same thread, no one can assure there is nothing wrong with the SSCE engine. But the fact that it works for most makes it more difficult to find why it fails for some, specially if developers can't reproduce the failure. BTW, when you say it doesn't work, does it mean that it doesn't mark any words as misspelled? It doesn't work means it just ignores some misspelled words i.e Thiought is ignored. I checked the word list in the dictionary and it is not there so there is no reason why it should not flag it. As far as the registry export is concerned, I don't see anywhere to attach either this file or the jpeg of my options for you, but I do have them both if you need to see them Ian Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
Hello Henk, BTW, when you say it doesn't work, does it mean that it doesn't mark any words as misspelled? Hello Miguel, I hope you don't mind stepping into this thread but this is exactly what happens on my side when I upgrade from this version. As well for the rar as for the msi versions. Why should I mind? Not at all. I assume it happens no matter if you do 'Automatic checking ', 'Check entire text' or 'Check before send', correct? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
Hello Ian, BTW, when you say it doesn't work, does it mean that it doesn't mark any words as misspelled? It doesn't work means it just ignores some misspelled words i.e Thiought is ignored. You see, this is why I think it is important to 'define' what 'doesn't work' means and why I insist on it. I have just replied to Henk M. de Bruijn and, in his case and pending further clarification, it seems that that 'text is not being checked at all' (like if there was no speller), while in your case you say that just ignores some words which, to me, means that the speller _is_ running but it 'makes some mistakes'. I checked the word list in the dictionary and it is not there so there is no reason why it should not flag it. As far as the registry export is concerned, I don't see anywhere to attach either this file or the jpeg of my options for you, but I do have them both if you need to see them Now, here is something I don't understand. If you followed my instructions, as you said yesterday, I assume you only have the American English (SSCE) which is installed by default are testing with it, confirm? If so, where and how did you check the word list in the dictionary? Because the Ssceam2.clx dictionary is not a text file, the Ssceam.tlx is is. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
Hello Ian, As far as the registry export is concerned, I don't see anywhere to attach either this file or the jpeg of my options for you, but I do have them both if you need to see them I forgot to reply to this paragraph, sorry. It seems that you are writing/replying through the Gmane newsgroups, is that correct? If so, that's the reason. Can't you just send me an e-mail with the two files as attachments? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
Hello Maggie, M I have just replied to Henk M. de Bruijn and, in his case and M pending further clarification, it seems that that 'text is not being M checked at all' (like if there was no speller), I have this exact problem as well. Using tinySpell here. But that is a completely different story my friend. TB 'officially' supports three different spelling engines now and 'tinySpell' (of which I had never heard about before, BTW) is an application, external to TB, that _claims_ that Checks spelling in /any/ Windows application. Well, here is one that 'apparently' it doesn't work with, the new Editor in v4 of TB. So, even if it worked with previous versions of TB (its editor), I don't think it fair to 'blame' TB for not working. As I said, I had never before heard about tinySpell. I have been to their website and this is the first you can read there: ,- [ ] | Occasionally you need to check spelling in an application that does not | include a spelling checker and you don't want to launch your word | processor just for that. This is when tinySpell becomes handy. `- Cheers :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
Hello MAU, As I said, I had never before heard about tinySpell. I have been to their website and this is the first you can read there: ,- [ ] | Occasionally you need to check spelling in an application that does not | include a spelling checker and you don't want to launch your word | processor just for that. This is when tinySpell becomes handy. `- As it happens to me many times, I forgot something: I can also read in tinySpell's site: ,- [ ] | You can start with tinySpell and see if you like the concept and whether | it is compatible with your working environment. `- So, even if they claim that it will work with /any/ Windows application, they also admit it may not be compatible with your working environment. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
Hello Maggie, M So, even if they claim that it will work with any Windows application, M they also admit it may not be compatible with your working M environment. I'll just take it out. Maybe it is interfering. But the reason I put it on to begin with was because none of the mis-spelled words were being flagged. See the message I have just sent to the list :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, at 14:11:09 [GMT +0100] (which was 14:11 where I live) Mau wrote: You see, this is why I think it is important to 'define' what 'doesn't work' means and why I insist on it. I have just replied to Henk M. de Bruijn and, in his case and pending further clarification, it seems that that 'text is not being checked at all' (like if there was no speller), Hello Miguel, In finding a cause of all this, one of the things I tried was, moving: SSCE5532.DLL to another location. And now my spellchecker is working again! -- Henk _ The Bat! E-Mail System version 4.0.14.2 Pro on Windows XP SP2 Thawte notary, CAcert assurer, GSWoT introducer Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail! pgpNtYKxozjle.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
MAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SNIP I checked the word list in the dictionary and it is not there so there is no reason why it should not flag it. As far as the registry export is concerned, I don't see anywhere to attach either this file or the jpeg of my options for you, but I do have them both if you need to see them Now, here is something I don't understand. If you followed my instructions, as you said yesterday, I assume you only have the American English (SSCE) which is installed by default are testing with it, confirm? If so, where and how did you check the word list in the dictionary? Because the Ssceam2.clx dictionary is not a text file, the Ssceam.tlx is is. I did only have SSCE British English Dictionaries installed but have now had to revert to Hunspel in order to have a functional editor. When I say I followed your instructions, I backed up all of my messages, Removed every trace of The Bat! Did a clean install and then finally restored my messages. At this stage I thought the SSCE engine was working fine, but a few tests proved that it was ignoring some words. If I type nonsense, say tyhg, then it flags it as a spelling error but it does not see the mis-spelling of thought as thiought as an error. I need to do a few further tests as I may have capitalised the first letter of Thought and marked the option to ignore capitalised letters. It is good to bounce these ideas around as it causes me to think more about what I am actually doing. Ian Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
Hello Henk, You see, this is why I think it is important to 'define' what 'doesn't work' means and why I insist on it. I have just replied to Henk M. de Bruijn and, in his case and pending further clarification, it seems that that 'text is not being checked at all' (like if there was no speller), Hello Miguel, In finding a cause of all this, one of the things I tried was, moving: SSCE5532.DLL to another location. And now my spellchecker is working again! I waited a few minutes before replying in order to calm down a bit and not use what could have been an 'improper' tone. Please take no offence if the tone I use now still seems 'improper' to you. What the heck does now my spellchecker is working again mean? Yes, I know. You type misspelled words, they are detected and you can correct them. But which 'spell checker' are you using for that?. I'd bet a dozen beers it is either Hunspell or CSAPI and not SSCE, correct? If you remove SSCE5532.DLL (the SSCE engine) from The Bat! directory, then there is no way TB can use it and the SSCE spell checker will not work and every single word should be flagged as misspelled. That is, of course, if you are/were only using SSCE. This whole thing of spell checker(s) working/not working is quite confusing by itself, specially because of the possibility of using three different engines and even simultaneously. So, let's all be a little more rigorous when testing and precise when reporting. Again, my apologies if my tone offends you or anyone. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, at 20:14:53 [GMT +0100] (which was 20:14 where I live) Mau wrote: In finding a cause of all this, one of the things I tried was, moving: SSCE5532.DLL to another location. And now my spellchecker is working again! I waited a few minutes before replying in order to calm down a bit and not use what could have been an 'improper' tone. Please take no offence if the tone I use now still seems 'improper' to you. Because of a working or a not working spellchecker What the heck does now my spellchecker is working again mean? Yes, I know. You type misspelled words, they are detected and you can correct them. But which 'spell checker' are you using for that?. I'd bet a dozen beers it is either Hunspell or CSAPI and not SSCE, correct? If you remove SSCE5532.DLL (the SSCE engine) from The Bat! directory, then there is no way TB can use it and the SSCE spell checker will not work and every single word should be flagged as misspelled. That is, of course, if you are/were only using SSCE. This whole thing of spell checker(s) working/not working is quite confusing by itself, specially because of the possibility of using three different engines and even simultaneously. So, let's all be a little more rigorous when testing and precise when reporting. Again, my apologies if my tone offends you or anyone. Because of a working or an not working spellchecker. No, I do not understand. -- Henk M. de Bruijn _ The Bat! E-Mail System version 4.0.14.2 Pro on Windows XP SP2 Thawte notary, CAcert assurer, GSWoT introducer Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail! pgpRJ5mEhBS3X.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
Hello Ian, snipped quite a bit So I now can only have files that the MSI file contained and would have to be a matched set, but I still cannot get the spell checker to work. Since you didn't do exactly what I told you to do, I have nothing further to say. Good luck my friend. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
MAU [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SNIP Since you didn't do exactly what I told you to do, I have nothing further to say. Good luck my friend. I have just followed your instructions and found that the spell-checker still does not work. Ian Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
Hello Ian, I have just followed your instructions and found that the spell-checker still does not work. OK, if you did (i.e uninstalled, deleted registry key, etc., and did a Custom install with only Core), let's try to pin it down a bit more. Please export your HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT key, rename it as .txt (to avoid the risk of some one double clicking on it) and either post it here or send it to me by PM so I can compare it with mine to see if there any differences that could be significant? A screen capture of of Spell Checker Options dialog would also help. As I said in a reply to Graham in this same thread, no one can assure there is nothing wrong with the SSCE engine. But the fact that it works for most makes it more difficult to find why it fails for some, specially if developers can't reproduce the failure. BTW, when you say it doesn't work, does it mean that it doesn't mark any words as misspelled? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, at 23:16:52 [GMT +0100] (which was 23:16 where I live) Mau wrote: ...*snip* BTW, when you say it doesn't work, does it mean that it doesn't mark any words as misspelled? Hello Miguel, I hope you don't mind stepping into this thread but this is exactly what happens on my side when I upgrade from this version. As well for the rar as for the msi versions. -- grtz, Henk _ The Bat! E-Mail System version 4.0.0.22 Pro on Windows XP SP2 Thawte notary, CAcert assurer, GSWoT introducer Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail! pgpUM86SRjvCw.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
Hello Ian, snipped quite a bit One thing I did try was to install an earlier version of The Bat!, but I could not. When I start after the installation confirms I have installed the earlier version, the splash screen and Help|About both still show 4.0.14.2. Then checking Add or Remove Programs sees two offending entries there. Be patient for a few minutes, I'm looking at all dirs and registry attachments sent yesterday and will be suggesting what to do after I have breakfast. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
Hello Ian, I have attached a folder listing of the The Bat! program folder. M Can you attach (or send by PM) the listing of Speller and Dictionaries M directories? M Also, can you export and attach this Registry key? M HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\SpellCheck Here are the files. OK, here I am. I'll try to respond to your different issues in this and other threads. First of all I must say that I didn't find anything that I can say *is wrong*. Specially in regards to dictionaries, your registry entries do match the dictionaries you have in the Speller directory. However, there are a number of things that make me wonder how you have been doing upgrades along the years. For example: - In Speller directory I see dictionaries with dates as old as 1996 and then for many different years up to 2008. While all of mine (from the last IntPack) are dated 29/08/2007, except the user ones which may have been updated by the program (my userdic.tlx is dated 11/02/2008). - Your 'readme.txt' file (which contains the list of changes since the very first release and which hardly anybody reads, BTW) in The Bat! directory is dated 14/10/2007 while, if you had installed 4.0.14 correctly is should be dated 06/02/2008 or so. Have you had a look at it? If so, its contents should start with: ,- [ ] | The Bat! | Copyright (C) 1997-2008 RITLABS S.R.L. | Version 4.0 | | What's new in The Bat! 4.0 (comparing to v3.99.25)? `- Also, your 'licence_pro.rtf' file should have the same date. Now, before telling you what I would suggest you do now, I'll tell you how I go about upgrades to newer versions and, specially, about Beta versions. Look at my program dir attached and notice the dates. I always try to keep it 'as clean' as possible. What I do is: - For new versions with an MSI installation file, I do a Custom install and only install the Core files (no languages or dictionaries). This way I have the UI in English, the only one I use, and only the AM (SSCE American English) dictionary, which is installed by default along with 'accent.tlx', 'correct.tlx' and 'UserDic.TLX' user dictionaries. - If, for testing or any other reason, I want to install dictionaries for other language(s) I 'install' the latest International pack in a *temp* directory and from there I copy the desired language dictionaries to the Speller directory. The next time TB is executed will create the corresponding Registry entries. Similarly if I want to remove a language I don't use. - For Beta versions from *.rar files, I extract then to a temp dir, rename them to include the version number, *copy* them to the TB directory and then create a shortcut in my desktop. You can see this in attachment. This way I can easily switch versions for testing, and always have the last 'release' version (thebat.exe) available without needing to reinstall it. - You will also notice that I have a 'Disabled' directory. This is where I Move anything I want to remove from The Bat! directory before actually deleting (even to the recycle bin). Now, what I would do if I was you is: - First of all make a back up copy of your complete MAIL directory. Not a backup with TB, copy the whole tree somewhere else or ZIP it up. - Make a copy of of your 'user' dictionaries in Speller if you have added any words to them. - In another thread you say that your 'Add or Remove programs' in your Control Panel shows two different installations (3.99.29 and 4.0.14), which also makes me wonder how you have gone about upgrades. - Try to uninstall 4.0.14 using the 'Uninstall' option. This should remove program files only, but not used data (messages, address books, configurations files). - Then, if v3.99.29 still shows in 'Add Remove programs' try to uninstall it also. If it doesn't work or gives you some error and it isn't removed from 'Add Remove programs', try the 'Windows Installer CleanUp Utility' suggested in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - If your 'The Bat' directory is still there and it is not completely 'clean', delete it. - Although I don't think it is absolutely necessary, delete your HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT key. You may want to export it and save it for a 'just in case' of for 'reference'. Finally, I would suggest a new installation of 4.0.14 (if you haven't, download download the MSI for pro AND the International Pack. - Do a 'Custom' installation as I explain above and only install Core. This will give you the English GUI and the American English dictionary to test if the speller (SSCE engine) works. - During installation, select the home mail directory to where ever you have it. - If asked to create an account, do so with a name you haven't used before. You can delete it afterwards. - Once installed, open
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
Hello MAU, - Try to uninstall 4.0.14 using the 'Uninstall' option. This should remove program files only, but not used data (messages, address books, configurations files). First TYPO I find when re-reading. Should read: but not *user* data... -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
Hello Graham, And, if this all doesn't work... I will give up and you will not owe me a beer :) I do hope this uncovers something but I do have to say that the dates of files are much the same in my dir and these were loaded direct from the TB pro msi. I have tried using just the BR ones and same result so I think the cause is not in these files. I never said that these files with different dates may be the cause of the problems. I just said that they made me wonder about how Ian (and perhaps you and others) have been doing upgrades along the years. I am still of the opinion that there is something wrong in the SSCE engine. No one can assure there is not. However, if there is, it doesn't seem to show up for most. It is a frustrating mystery but hopefully in time the reason will be found, I do hope so. Why don't you take the risk and do as I suggested to Ian? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
Hello Ian, I have attached a folder listing of the The Bat! program folder. Can you attach (or send by PM) the listing of Speller and Dictionaries directories? Also, can you export and attach this Registry key? HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\SpellCheck -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.0.14.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Winamp Playing: ARW-01 Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.0.14.2 Spell Checker Issues
Hello Ian, On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:59:40 +1100 GMT (17/02/2008, 04:59 +0700 GMT), Ian A. White wrote: IAW In my The Bat! program folder there are two SSCE files (SSCE5532.dll IAW and SSCE5132.dll), both of which are as a result of installs. I moved IAW them to the Speller folder that the install created. When starting IAW The Bat!, EVERY word is flagged as a misspelled word. IAW I moved the SSCE5132.dll file back to the The Bat! program folder and IAW restarted The Bat!. The same problem existed. IAW I moved the SSCE5532.dll file back to the The Bat! program folder and IAW restarted The Bat!. TB! uses SSCE5532.dll in the TB! directory for access to the dictionaires. So, if you move it somewhere else, TB!'s spellchecker cannot confirm any word is correct. SSCE5132.dll is the dll that TB! used before. If is not used any more now. So it doesn't matter whether it's in the TB! directory or not. IAW What would happen if I was to simply rename the The Bat! folder IAW and run the installer again? IAW Would this give me a clean install? No, you would have to delete the registry key first. Before you do that, export it and keep it with your backup of the TB! directory. IAW Would I have to locate my registration keys? Yes. I have parked the message with the registration key. Now is the time to export it and keep it with your backup. Once you have made the clean install, import this mail and open it. You'll be registered. -- Cheers, Thomas. He's not dead, he's electroencephalographically challenged. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.14.2 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 4.0.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
