Re: Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]
Hello Mary, On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 15:09:03 -0500 GMT (18/07/2005, 03:09 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: MB How did it show on your screen? Mary, everything arrived here as it was sent. The bug that you are reporting is about letters disappearing *before* the mail is sent. If that is not the case, I have misunderstood the whole thread. -- Cheers, Thomas. CHRISTOPHER HOPE was disappointed by the warning he spotted on a gallon container of the laboratory disinfectant Hibitane. Avoid contact with brain, it told him, thereby spoiling his plans for a fun-filled afternoon drilling holes in his skull and pouring disinfectant into them. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.51.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]
Hello Thomas! On Monday, July 18, 2005, 7:53 AM, you wrote: MB How did it show on your screen? Mary, everything arrived here as it was sent. The bug that you are reporting is about letters disappearing *before* the mail is sent. If that is not the case, I have misunderstood the whole thread. Yes, but when you said it wasn't happening to you, it sounded as if you doubted that it was happening to me--at least, as a result of a bug in TB! So, I wanted to know whether you did not see my malformed message and did not believe me that it is a bug. Additionally, it will--or did, when I used to run 3.51.4--drop characters in the View Folder screen without any Reply having been invoked--drop them on first viewing the message. Reported by Hendrik Oesterlin in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]
Hello Thomas! On Sunday, July 17, 2005, 11:41 AM, you wrote: MB At this point, I haven't seen anyone write that he/she can really MB tell for sure what the cause of this unwanted behavior is. Especially since some people (like myself) are not experiencing it, even though I use the same TB and Windows versions as you. There are quite a few other people who *do* experience this problem with v. 3.51.1 through 3.51.4. Did I miss something, that I didn't see you telling them in those earlier posts that you are not experiencing the behavior? It's in the charset/unicode new functionality that is only partially implemented in MicroEd that the bug seems to dwell. Stefan has said that it's possible they are going to do a complete unicode re-write, starting from scratch: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm going to wait for that beta and run 3.0.2.10 in the meantime. Too many misunderstandings have already arisen for me from this bug. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)
Hello Peter! On Sunday, July 17, 2005, 3:21 AM, you wrote: MB Plus, something about CPU--but the View Folder window trails that MB off with three little dots. Uh ... what is the resolution of your screen? It only abbreviates it here if I resize the window to a *very* small one. I have 1280 x 1024 and my comments line takes about the half (700), so I guess 800 x 600 should fit. Are you working with 640 x 480? 1280 x 1024--necessary for optimum display on this flat screen. But, I was able to increase the font size somewhere--I've forgotten if it was in WinXP or in TB! I need both character size and the contrast between type and background enhanced over ordinary display, else I have to put my nose within 4 inches of the screen. And that's not really fun. :) MB Every day's a schoolday, here. :) That is what makes tbbeta a fun :-) On a different topic: I am getting quite adept at interpreting what looks like typos in the View Folder and MicroEd's Edit Mail Message window. Nevertheless, these missing characters (above, tbbeta a fun) are getting to be a real pain. The Bug Report page (4904) asks for Feedback, but I don't know what is wanted in the way of Feedback there. :woe: http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4904 -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.4 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]
Hello Peter! On Sunday, July 17, 2005, 8:45 AM, you wrote: MB Nevertheless, these missing characters (above, tbbeta a fun) are MB getting to be a real pain. Sorry, Mary, I don't really understand what you mean here. Which character do you think is missing in the above mentioned example? I don't really know, this case. The a between tbbeta and fun just didn't seem to belong, or to convey any meaning to me. However, I am getting a lot of 1 or 2 character omissions in my folder view window lately. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.4 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]
Hello Mary! On Sunday, July 17, 2005, 9:23 AM, you wrote: I don't really know, this case. The a between tbbeta and fun just didn't seem to belong, or to convey any meaning to me. However, I am getting a lot of 1 or 2 character omissions in my folder view window lately. And in my own posts! Above, I distinctly recall typing I don't really know in this case and the rendering has dropped the in. A fix may have to wait on Stefan's promised re-write of MicroEd and Unicode, if that's where the fault lies. At this point, I haven't seen anyone write that he/she can really tell for sure what the cause of this unwanted behavior is. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.4 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]
Hello Mary, On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:35:49 -0500 GMT (17/07/2005, 21:35 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: MB At this point, I haven't seen anyone write that he/she can really tell MB for sure what the cause of this unwanted behavior is. Especially since some people (like myself) are not experiencing it, even though I use the same TB and Windows versions as you. -- Cheers, Thomas. I know that the work cycle is not plan/start/finish, but is wait/plan/plan. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.51.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]
Hello Thomas! On Sunday, July 17, 2005, 11:41 AM, you wrote: MB At this point, I haven't seen anyone write that he/she can really MB tell for sure what the cause of this unwanted behavior is. Especially since some people (like myself) are not experiencing it, even though I use the same TB and Windows versions as you. Do you mean that you saw something besides an a between tbbeta and fun in Stuart's phrase, tbbeta a fun in his post, mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Quote from above post from Stuart: *MB Every day's a schoolday, here. :) That is what makes tbbeta a fun :-) And that you saw the missing word in before the words this case in my sentence I don't really know, in this case, ... ? Quote from my mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : I don't really know, this case. The a between tbbeta and fun just didn't seem to belong, or to convey any meaning to me. I did type in this case but it showed up here on tbbeta in my View Folder window as know, this case. How did it show on your screen? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.4 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]
Hello Mary Bull everyone else, on 17-Jul-2005 at 22:09 you (Mary Bull) wrote: I did type in this case but it showed up here on tbbeta in my View Folder window as know, this case. How did it show on your screen? How does it show in your Sent Mail folder? Besides that, what makes tbbeta a fun could be a phrase adapted 1:1 from german, in the rush of typing... :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Every great scientific truth goes through three stages. First, people say it conflicts with the Bible. Next, they say it has been discovered before. Lastly, they say they always believed it. -- Louis Agassiz Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Missing characters bug [was Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)]
Hello Peter! On Sunday, July 17, 2005, 3:17 PM, you wrote: MB Do you mean that you saw something besides an a between tbbeta and MB fun in Stuart's phrase, tbbeta a fun in his post, MB mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Mary!? Hello ... :-) Is' me, and my name is not Stuart! g Sorry--a little bit addled here in the late afternoon! MB Quote from above post from Stuart: MB *MB Every day's a schoolday, here. :) MB That is what makes tbbeta a fun :-) MB cmon ... snif ... it's still my post :-) To be honest: The a is a result of me not beeing a native english speaker. Sometime an essential word in one language is superfluous or even irritating in the other one. In fact I wrote tbbeta a fun. Well--I thought you were never, but *never*, going to reply about it, and Thomas made me feel bad when he implied that what Natasha Pearce and I were experiencing wasn't happening. Did you see the missing in in my post, before this case? I am so fed up with these experiences that I'm going to drop back to beta 3.2.10! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.4 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)
Hello Greg Strong everyone else, on 16-Jul-2005 at 17:56 you (Greg Strong) wrote: Can anyone confirm? I didn't try, but your comment header was working in your original reply to this issue per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I As I said, I inserted the text to be there in the last message with CP since the reply was already open, thats why it was there in the last message. don't know, but something has gone astray with these newer betas. Hmmm? If you (or someone else reading this) could try to set the Comments header with the %COMMENT macro before I add an item on BT, I'd be thankful. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Experience is directly proportional to the value of equipment destroyed. -- Carolyn Scheppner Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)
Hallo Alexander, On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:52:03 +0200GMT (16-7-2005, 19:52 +0200, where I live), you wrote: ASK If you (or someone else reading this) could try to set the Comments ASK header with the %COMMENT macro before I add an item on BT, I'd ASK be thankful. ASK Maybe I'm doing something wrong. Seems to work just fine. -- Groetjes, Roelof XT Nostalgia? Run Windows The Bat! 3.51.4 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp5AZ3R351dX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)
Hallo Roelof, On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 22:15:36 +0200GMT (16-7-2005, 22:15 +0200, where I live), you wrote: ASK If you (or someone else reading this) could try to set the Comments ASK header with the %COMMENT macro before I add an item on BT, I'd ASK be thankful. ASK Maybe I'm doing something wrong. RO Seems to work just fine. And I was using %Comment(This is a etc...) Now I'll try something more elaborate, like: %Comment(%WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION)%- And that seems to work just fine too. -- Groetjes, Roelof Smith Wesson: The original point and click interface. The Bat! 3.51.4 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp1OBpwM8NGV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)
Hello Peter Hampf everyone else, on 16-Jul-2005 at 22:45 you (Peter Hampf) wrote: RO And that seems to work just fine too. See comment! :-) In the name of everything that doesn't suck, tell me whats wrong with this AB template (its my new message template for the TBBETA list). %Comment(Athlon XP 3000+/512MB/WXP Pro SP2 En)%- %SetHeader(X-Rogue,:Alex_Kunz:)%- Hello everyone, %Cursor %QInclude(sig-priv-en) Because it simply does not work. Not for new messages, and not for replies either. The rest of the template is pulled correctly from the AB entry for TBBETA (or else you wouldn't see my picture). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education. -- Albert Einstein Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)
Hello Alexander! On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 4:12 PM, you wrote: ... it simply does not work. Not for new messages, and not for replies either. The rest of the template is pulled correctly from the AB entry for TBBETA (or else you wouldn't see my picture). I don't understand at all about Comment, having never used it. On my AB template, below my name, I have the following (without the quotation marks that I've inserted into this message): The Bat %THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION If you're just trying to construct something that works, you might try that. On the other hand, you may be trying to figure out what has gone wrong with the Comment template, and in that case, please just ignore my own comment. :) As far as I can recall, I got my template as a copy-and-paste from Marck D. Pearlstone, when I first got TB!, v. 1.61, in October, 2003. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.4 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)
Hello Mary Bull everyone else, on 16-Jul-2005 at 23:26 you (Mary Bull) wrote: As far as I can recall, I got my template as a copy-and-paste from Marck D. Pearlstone, when I first got TB!, v. 1.61, in October, 2003. That can't be - in October 2003 TBv2 was already out, and v1.62r was the last official v1 version. Maybe it was October 2002. :-) Regarding my problem with the %COMMENT header, all I can say is... beware of multiple nesting of Quick Templates. :-) I found the problem is a QT that I call in my signature QT which I call in the message template. OUCH!! These things just sit there and you forget about them, and then on a totally different occasion they attack you from behind. :-) So, problem solved - sorry to bother y'all with it. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Life is a partial, continuous, progressive, multiform, and continually interactive self-realization of the potentialities of atomic electron states. -- John Bernal Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)
Hello Alexander! On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 4:55 PM, you wrote: As far as I can recall, I got my template as a copy-and-paste from Marck D. Pearlstone, when I first got TB!, v. 1.61, in October, 2003. That can't be - in October 2003 TBv2 was already out, and v1.62r was the last official v1 version. Maybe it was October 2002. :-) Yes, I meant to say October, 2002. Senior moment. Sorry. :( Regarding my problem with the %COMMENT header, all I can say is... beware of multiple nesting of Quick Templates. :-) I found the problem is a QT that I call in my signature QT which I call in the message template. OUCH!! Oh, woe, indeed. These things just sit there and you forget about them, and then on a totally different occasion they attack you from behind. :-) Glad you caught and smashed the little prickly monster! So, problem solved - sorry to bother y'all with it. I was worried about you. I could tell you were getting frustrated. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.4 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)
Hello Peter! On Saturday, July 16, 2005, 5:04 PM, you wrote: PH See comment! :-) C where? Right-click on the header pane (or menu View/Message header) and enable the Comments header. Ah! Finally I see what you guys have been talking about all afternoon! And I see in the header of your message the info that I have in my sig! Astonishing! Plus, something about CPU--but the View Folder window trails that off with three little dots. Going to look in Specials/View Source and see if the whole info is there. Ah, yes, verrry int'resting. And in some circumstances I can see how it would be pertinent to figuring out a TB! problem. Every day's a schoolday, here. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.51.4 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)
Hello Mary Bull everyone else, on 17-Jul-2005 at 00:01 you (Mary Bull) wrote: So, problem solved - sorry to bother y'all with it. I was worried about you. I could tell you were getting frustrated. :) Well, it served a higher purpose: just like Greg, I do now feel much more compassion for those poor souls who report problems that no one can reproduce. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Our only hope lies not in making people feel emotional, but in showing them what can be done and giving them reasons for doing it. -- B. F. Skinner Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)
Hello Peter Hampf everyone else, on 17-Jul-2005 at 00:01 you (Peter Hampf) wrote: But what exactly caused the %comment macro to fail? I'm using a QT combination to replace german national characters (Umlaute) in the subject. The QT is a replace function, and the parameters for that function (the actual characters to replace, ä to ae, ü to ue, etc. etc.) is passed in the comment header. Its a rather old QT (someone on TBUDL gave it to me ages ago, I think it was Dan Grunberg). I have to rewrite it to use custom (%_something style) macros one day. Some listmailers (that tag the subject) will add the list tag over over again and can't remove multiple occurencies of Re: if the subject is encoded because it contains national characters - to avoid these problems, I added the replace function to my signature. Now, this function is not really required for english messages of course... so I simply don't use that QT in my english signature QT anymore... it was that simple, oh my... :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The power of tobacco to sustain the system, to keep up nutrition, to maintain and increase the weight, to brace against severe exertion, and to replace ordinary food is a matter of daily and hourly demonstration. -- George Black Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)
Hello Greg Strong everyone else, on 17-Jul-2005 at 00:35 you (Greg Strong) wrote: This should lead you to the promised land. :-) Thanks for your support Greg, as you can see, I'm already there. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)
Hello Greg Strong everyone else, on 17-Jul-2005 at 00:48 you (Greg Strong) wrote: could be wrong. However if it is the former, can you provide a copy of the QT? I'll try to place inside my macro for TBBETA to see if it works for me. Thanks for your help, Greg. Its not a big problem though, now that I found it. I just have to rewrite the parameter passing, its using %COMMENT now, I'll replace that (sooner or later...) with %_CHARMAP or some other self defined macro, et voila. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) In order to form an immaculate member of a flock of sheep one must, above all, be a sheep. -- Albert Einstein Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)
Hallo Alexander, On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:12:23 +0200GMT (16-7-2005, 23:12 +0200, where I live), you wrote: ASK In the name of everything that doesn't suck, tell me whats wrong ASK with this AB template (its my new message template for the TBBETA ASK list). Apparently nothing, it worked just fine for me, though I used it as a folder template. -- Groetjes, Roelof Never, ever, pinch a sorceress on the butt. ribit The Bat! 3.51.4 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpuZavijyx5j.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: RFC Comments header can't be set (was: F4 quoting...)
Hallo Alexander, On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:12:23 +0200GMT (16-7-2005, 23:12 +0200, where I live), you wrote: ASK In the name of everything that doesn't suck, tell me whats wrong ASK with this ASK AB template (its my new message template for the TBBETA list). Just to sure. The first question to ask is: Do you have more than one entries for tbbeta in your AB? In general that's the number one reason for the wrong template to start. -- Groetjes, Roelof Atari computers make great boat anchors The Bat! 3.51.4 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpZbeTNbu4e8.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
