Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
Vitalie, Monday, May 21, 2007, 10:28:42 PM, you wrote: Vili wrote: A second factor that really improved my speed was defragmenting my Voyager drive. I never thought to do this and **wow** was it fragmented! and? so what? was the drive formatted with NTFS or FAT? unlike FAT, fragmented NTFS files do take extra structures to be read, thus slowing the speed. not as much as with moving mechanical heads, but it might somehow get noticeable. and NTFS fragmentation may take extra space too, although it usually fits in the MFT. The USB flash drive referred to was formatted as FAT, and after defragmentation gave a huge speed increase, and shut down a lot faster. Compressing the files on exit led to rewriting them every time, which led to very bad defragmentation. For the technical reason, it has to do with either the fact that sequential reads are faster than random reads on flash drives, or the fact that many more i/o operations were needed to read the fragmented data. Maybe the difference wouldn't have been as noticeable if it had been formatted as FAT32. -- Dougmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** TheBat! Voyager 3.99.4 on Windows XP Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Voyager - a break through moment.
The one major complaint I've had with using Voyager was that it took around 15 minutes for it to clear itself from Window's processes after shutting it down. If I shut it down and suddenly remembered something I needed it for I had to go in and manually stop it before I could restart Voyager. Anyway... I found out the culprit, and it kills me that it was so easy that I've struggled with it this long. The solution? I reformatted my USB drive to NTFS. I'm guessing it came formatted as FAT as I never bothered to reformat it upon buying it. Running it as NTFS, I can close Voyager down and it closes and clears memory faster almost instantaneously. So if anyone else has had this problem of voyager.exe hanging around in memory for far too long, check to see how your USB drive is formatted - it may make a difference. -- ò.ó Nick Danger [MUA: TB! Voyager 3.99.4] [OS: Windows XP 5 1] Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
The one major complaint I've had with using Voyager was that it took around 15 minutes for it to clear itself from Window's processes after shutting it down. If I shut it down and suddenly remembered something I needed it for I had to go in and manually stop it before I could restart Voyager. Anyway... I found out the culprit, and it kills me that it was so easy that I've struggled with it this long. The solution? I reformatted my USB drive to NTFS. I'm guessing it came formatted as FAT as I never bothered to reformat it upon buying it. Running it as NTFS, I can close Voyager down and it closes and clears memory faster almost instantaneously. So if anyone else has had this problem of voyager.exe hanging around in memory for far too long, check to see how your USB drive is formatted - it may make a difference. I think, it was not the FAT/NTFS change. It was the fact that when you reformatted the drive, you inherently defragmented the drive. -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
Reply to message sent 05/21/2007, @ 11:02:29 (10:02 AM Locally) ~~~ Hello Vili, I think, it was not the FAT/NTFS change. It was the fact that when you reformatted the drive, you inherently defragmented the drive. Well, I was about to say I didn't think so as I had defragged the drive before hoping that would help but it didn't. But before sending off that post I figured I'd try some actual testing and reformatted back to FAT to see what would happened. Fired up Voyager, and quit - and sure enough it just sat there hanging around in memory until I went in and killed it myself. So I can confidently say that at least in my case the change to NTFS solved the problem. -- ò.ó Nick Danger [MUA: TB! Voyager 3.99.4] [OS: Windows XP 5 1] Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager - a break through moment.
I think, it was not the FAT/NTFS change. It was the fact that when you reformatted the drive, you inherently defragmented the drive. Well, I was about to say I didn't think so as I had defragged the drive before hoping that would help but it didn't. But before sending off that post I figured I'd try some actual testing and reformatted back to FAT to see what would happened. Fired up Voyager, and quit - and sure enough it just sat there hanging around in memory until I went in and killed it myself. So I can confidently say that at least in my case the change to NTFS solved the problem. Ok. Then I must agree with you :) -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
Vili wrote: I think, it was not the FAT/NTFS change. It was the fact that when you reformatted the drive, you inherently defragmented the drive. obviously, you're too busy enjoying conventional hard drives in an usb enclosure, so, at the moment, you simply can't figure out that not all usb drives have any moving heads... -- Signed, Vitalie. Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
Hello Nick, Monday, May 21, 2007, 2:25:51 PM, you wrote: I reformatted my USB drive to NTFS. I'm guessing it came formatted as FAT as I never bothered to reformat it upon buying it. Running it as NTFS, I can close Voyager down and it closes and clears memory faster almost instantaneously. How many Voyager lives did you use up in this test? It seems that every time I reformat my drive, I have to reactivate the key. I think I am down to one or two activations left, so I am not eager to procede with the reformat to NTFS, even though I've been wanting to do this for some time. -- Best regards, Dougmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** TheBat! Voyager 3.99.4 on Windows XP Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
Reply to message sent 05/21/2007, @ 16:27:20 (11:27 AM Locally) ~~~ Hello Doug, How many Voyager lives did you use up in this test? It seems that every time I reformat my drive, I have to reactivate the key. I think I am down to one or two activations left, so I am not eager to procede with the reformat to NTFS, even though I've been wanting to do this for some time. Just one. As the drive ID includes format I needed a new one for the NTFS format. Other than that I just change the volume ID number back to what it was before reformatting. I use both a USB stick and USB external drive but have them both ID'd the same so I can just update whatever drive I want to use with my current Voyager installation and run with it. HTH -- ò.ó Nick Danger [MUA: TB! Voyager 3.99.4] [OS: Windows XP 5 1] Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Voyager - a break through moment.
Vili wrote: I think, it was not the FAT/NTFS change. It was the fact that when you reformatted the drive, you inherently defragmented the drive. obviously, you're too busy enjoying conventional hard drives in an usb enclosure, so, at the moment, you simply can't figure out that not all usb drives have any moving heads... Doug Higby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on May 11: In my experience, every USB memory stick is different. The one I am using now reads and writes at 16MBits per second, and my previous one was only 8. There is a free utility on the web to test your speed, but it is on my office computer and I forget what it is called. A second factor that really improved my speed was defragmenting my Voyager drive. I never thought to do this and **wow** was it fragmented! Also readthis: http://searchwincomputing.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid68_gci1220272,00.html Vitalie: - if you are pissed off of me because I did not accept the invitation to your professional network, I am sorry, I just dont have the time for any extra online activity beside the 4 kids, my job and my business. - if you just kick into anybody because of your ego.. well, that is your problem. Try to accept the fact that you are not God. -- Vili Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
Hello Nick, Monday, May 21, 2007, 4:25:51 PM, you wrote: ND So if anyone else has had this problem of voyager.exe hanging around ND in memory for far too long, check to see how your USB drive is ND formatted - it may make a difference. Are you talking about a USB HD or a USB memory stick? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.99.6 MyMacros 1.11a zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 12:43:16) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
Reply to message sent 05/21/2007, @ 21:27:25 (2:27 PM Locally) ~~~ Hello Mark, Are you talking about a USB HD or a USB memory stick? Memory stick, but it was purchasing a USB hard drive that brought the problem to light. I formatted the hard drive to remove all the preinstalled stuff I didn't want and then changed the volume ID. When Voyager needed to be reactivated, that's what caused me to realize I never formatted my USB stick and it was FAT. So to make it easy to swap Voyager back and forth I formatted my stick to NTFS and BAM! I noticed how quickly Voyager suddenly exited memory. I didn't format the hard drive to FAT to see if that caused Voyager to hang on it. Mainly because I already have a bunch of stuff on it and don't feel like dealing with the hassle. -- ò.ó Nick Danger [MUA: TB! Voyager 3.99.4] [OS: Windows XP 5 1] Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
Vili wrote: A second factor that really improved my speed was defragmenting my Voyager drive. I never thought to do this and **wow** was it fragmented! and? so what? was the drive formatted with NTFS or FAT? unlike FAT, fragmented NTFS files do take extra structures to be read, thus slowing the speed. not as much as with moving mechanical heads, but it might somehow get noticeable. and NTFS fragmentation may take extra space too, although it usually fits in the MFT. - if you just kick into anybody because of your ego.. well, that is your problem. Try to accept the fact that you are not God. LOL. oh, my dear Oracle... -- Signed, Vitalie. Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Voyager - a break through moment.
Vili wrote: - if you are pissed off of me because I did not accept the invitation to your professional network, I am sorry, I just dont have the time for any extra online activity beside the 4 kids, my job and my business. waitaminute. you have 4 kids, and you dare calling *me* hyperactive? what are you trying to insinuate??? -- Signed, Vitalie. Current beta is 3.99.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
