Re[3]: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Tom If you were to come to get carpal tunnel syndrome (which has been Tom extending its talons into me recently), you'll come to appreciate the Tom difference between pressing ^] for next message vs. 'n' or space. t whats wrong with arrow up and down? Nothing, if unread messages thread anywhere near one another. ^] is the only single-key way I know to expand threads and jump read messages though. If there's another way, I'd love someone to mention it. -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Fwd: Re: Redirect (Bounce)
Hi there! On 20 Jan 00, at 13:26, Keith Russell wrote about "Re[2]: Fwd: Re: Redirect (Bounce)": AM MIME forward the message. In so doing, the recipient knows without a AM doubt that the message was not originally sent to him. On opening the AM attached message, he views it intact, is able to examine the intact AM headers etc. When he hits reply, the appropriate addressing comes up. The AM only drawback to this, which I personally don't consider to be one, is AM that you have to open the message since it comes as an attachment. This solution would be fine if, each time I forwarded a message I could choose whether or not to use MIME, but I don't know of any way to do this. Am I missing something? Nope, there exists no way to do so;-(( It's a major shortcoming IMO, I'm in a habit of widely using both MIME-forwarding (actually, judging by RFCs, it's not a proper term, and it's not necessarily forwarding: for example, Pegasus allows one to *attach* any _message_ to the currently edited one in the same fashion. The proper term should be "attach the message" and this action should be somewhere in menus, NOT in the forward template) and MIME digests. To correct the current behaviour is a rather long-standing wishlist item, and i really hope it will be addressed in the version 2. I can always go into Account Properties and check the MIME box below the Reply template, but I certainly don't want to have to do this every time I want to redirect (pardon me--bounce) a message. And if I leave it permanently checked, I may start to look like an AOL newbie--MIME within MIME within MIME Definitely. The option to forward message this way should be put into the menus, since the deceision is made based on the current message, not based on the current account (or even folder). -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: In any household, junk accumulates to fill the space available for its storage. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
TB! v 1.39 Installation
Hello fellow TBUDL members, Wednesday, Jan 19, 2000 07:13:30 I wrote to ask: Does upgrading from v. 1.38e to v. 1.39 involve more than switching the .exe file? (as in the last 2 previous upgrades - the last of which also had a new help file if I remember correctly). The file - that was downloaded on Jan 19 from http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe is evidently not a compressed file and wants to go into a setup routine when I click on it. Do I need to go through that? The above was included in a post with a number of other issues and wasn't responded to. Lastly, in that post I made a number other comments that I considered constructive but were not taken or answered as such by all parties. One of the aspects that I most appreciate about TB is the mentality of those who use it. This has contributed greatly to the high quality interchange found on TBUDL, as compared to other trashier lists, and I sincerely hope that the same high standard of civility continues to predominate rather than be downgraded by those that happen to think differently and are not prepared to tolerate opinions contrary to their own. TB as it is surpasses the overall convenience offered by all other email clients I've tried, particularly in the areas most important to me. No doubt it will continued to be improved. Beyond that, anyone wishing to get aggressive with me in relation to any of my comments is invited to do it off list, where it will be dealt with swiftly and appropriately. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB! v 1.39 Installation
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:10:19 -0600, Douglas Hinds wrote: Does upgrading from v. 1.38e to v. 1.39 involve more than switching the .exe file? (as in the last 2 previous upgrades - the last of which also had a new help file if I remember correctly). The file - that was downloaded on Jan 19 from http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe is evidently not a compressed file and wants to go into a setup routine when I click on it. Do I need to go through that? Yes you can, with no harm to your installation. It will simply upgrade the relevant files. I have been using the same TB install through all the upgrades since April, 1999. The above was included in a post with a number of other issues and wasn't responded to. Lastly, in that post I made a number other comments that I considered constructive but were not taken or answered as such by all parties. Issues that were discussed at length among the longstanding, more vocal members in previous threads. :) Silence meant agreement or indifference. System wide filters, virtual folders, the ability to edit received messages, an online/offline toggle to prevent automatic checking of mail when disconnected and color priority flagging have all been discussed and more or less conceded to as useful, worthwhile wishes. :) Beyond that, anyone wishing to get aggressive with me in relation to any of my comments is invited to do it off list, where it will be dealt with swiftly and appropriately. :))) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Oxymoron: Team of Independents. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Fwd: Re: Redirect (Bounce)
Hello Allie,
Thursday, January 20, 2000, 3:39:38 PM, you wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:26:00 -0700, Keith Russell wrote:
Well, yes. They really ought to provide a way of deciding how you wish
to forward. This will require a popup prompt or a special menu item. Right
now, my way out is to leave the MIME standard option checked. If I wish to
do a simple forward, then I delete the attached message when the forward
message is generated. If I wish to forward as a MIME attachment, I use the
%CLEAR macro as a quick template ('clear' then CTRL-Space) to clear the
quotation in the message body.
I wonder if it would cause a lot of additional bloat to add the
ability drag a message into the editor and have it MIME attached,
like we can with other files. Of course then we'd need to be able to
MIME attach several messages. But that's a different can of worms. :)
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Re: Fwd: Re: Redirect (Bounce)
Hi Januk, On 21 January 2000 at 17:27:37 GMT -0800 (which was 01:27 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: JA I wonder if it would cause a lot of additional bloat to add the JA ability drag a message into the editor and have it MIME attached, JA like we can with other files. Of course then we'd need to be able JA to MIME attach several messages. But that's a different can of JA worms. :) The number of times I've tried to do exactly that then said "Doh! Don't be silly Marck. You stopped using Pegasus *ages* ago". IOW - it would be very handy. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.39 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Web hyperlinks don't work
Hello Tom, Thursday, January 20, 2000, 12:47:32 PM, you wrote: In this vein, can anyone tell me where the startup sequence for the webbrowser is stored so I can have it call IE differently? Replace IE by Netscape and I have the same question. :) This was discussed in some detail not too long ago, and I think the final conclusion was that either you get Opera (another Browser) or use a work around instead. If I remember correctly, the reason Opera works is because Opera can be configured to open all new links in new windows (or something to that effect), while Netscape and IE require the program calling them to specify explicitly that a new window is required. There is a work around, but it is messy. Here it is: First go to IE (or Netscape), and open a new window. Put the new window on top, then go to TB and click on your link. It is an ugly work around, but that's the only one that seems to have emerged so far. If you find a better solution or work around, please post it. I know I would like to have this functionality too. :) -- Thanks for writing Januk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Web hyperlinks don't work
In Reference to "Web hyperlinks don't work" From Januk Aggarwal: JA This was discussed in some detail not too long ago, and I think the JA final conclusion was that either you get Opera (another Browser) or JA use a work around instead. ...or use Netcaptor. Everything IE should of been. -- - Nick Nick Danger's Complimentary Curse (©¿©): May 256 shattered firemen access your underpants in your belly-button. Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
SOT: XNews tricks...
There was an individual here recently who asked if TB! would have newsreading capabilities because he wanted to save like messages from mail and news in the same folder. Just something I ran across reading the XNews manual. You can share folders with NewsXpress and Eudora. Open the folders window, add a folder, then select Folder|Change File and find the NewsXpress or Eudora folder file you wish to use. Note: because Xnews keeps an index file (with the extension .hdr), if what's in the .hdr file does not match what's in the folder (.mbx) file, Xnews will give you a warning saying that the index has to be rebuilt. This is normal. Wonder if RITLABS would talk to the XNews guy and have the same capability for TB!. Seems like the ideal solution. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Wish List - Marked Read Feature
Hi Fred, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:09:18 -0500GMT (21/01/2000, 10:09 +0800GMT), Fred Weissman wrote: FW I will often read through incoming mail quickly, and reply later. FW Therefore, I have the account property 'time of reading to mark message as FW read' set to a very high number (999). Basically, this prevents anything FW from being marked if all I'm doing is reading it now with the intent of FW replying later. You have basically disabled the function of marking messages as "read" when you "read" them. While I also scan (or even read) all messages before starting to actually reply, I hit "reply" on each message that I want to reply to later. Meanwhile, time to mark message as read is at 0 (zero). There was also a discussion about an adiitional flag, "seen" (as opposed ot new or read), with which messages could be marked that need relpies. I haven't heard whether this will be available in v2, but think not. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: TB! v 1.39 Installation
in response to my saying: DH but while many of your comments may be helpful, I strongly suggest DH you suspend your assumptions to a greater degree and try to DH assimilate the approach TB takes to windows email. I'd probably have taken this response the same way he did. It also seems to me that software should assimilate and be responsive to the needs of its users - not vice versa. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Web hyperlinks don't work
Morning Tom Plunket, In this vein, can anyone tell me where the startup sequence for the webbrowser is stored so I can have it call IE differently? I had Agent configured to always open in a new browser window, and I'd like to do the same with TB! In TB just Shift+Doubleclick on the link to open it in another window if you don't want to/can't configure the browser to do so. -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.39 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Web hyperlinks don't work
Hello Jast, On Friday, January 21, 2000 at 06:10:11 GMT +0100 (which was 1/21/2000 12:10 PM GMT + 0700 my Local Time) you told to the list: [ ... ] J In TB just Shift+Doubleclick on the link to open it in another J window if you don't want to/can't configure the browser to do so. Great, how did you know that, by trial ? -- - Syafril - Name: Syafril Hermansyah | Company : Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 URL : www.dutaint.co.id | FAX : (62) (21) 351-9241 Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Friday, January 21, 2000, 12:58:55 PM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Web hyperlinks don't work
Hi Jast, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 06:10:11 +0100GMT (21/01/2000, 13:10 +0800GMT), Jast wrote: In this vein, can anyone tell me where the startup sequence for the webbrowser is stored so I can have it call IE differently? I had Agent configured to always open in a new browser window, and I'd like to do the same with TB! J In TB just Shift+Doubleclick on the link to open it in another window if you J don't want to/can't configure the browser to do so. Same question for Netscape; your reply with shift-dblclick (which referes to IE) doesn't work here. I "do" want to configure the browser to open a new window. Any idea how to do that with NN? -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Having to kill Dupes
Hello all fellow TBUDL members, The prodigy.net.mx server TBUDL the Opera lists come in on provides little storage space and I plan on being elsewhere and off line for a few days, so I decided to delete messages from the server now, that are normally deleted automatically a day later when downloading. As the subject suggests, TB is downloading yesterday's messages again. Killing dupes is no major chore, but I figured I'd post this and maybe draw an enlightening comment or two about it. Thanks in advance. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Having to kill Dupes
Hi Douglas, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 01:19:34 -0600GMT (21/01/2000, 15:19 +0800GMT), Douglas Hinds wrote: DH The prodigy.net.mx server TBUDL the Opera lists come in on provides DH little storage space and I plan on being elsewhere and off line for a DH few days, so I decided to delete messages from the server now, that DH are normally deleted automatically a day later when downloading. If you delete messages, they are no longer there. Thus, they cannot be downloaed again. Please advise *how* you delete them? telnet/pine (that's what what I use in those cases), TB!/Dispatch Messages on Server/Delete (works here, I've tried it), other? -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Possible filter bug?
Hi all, RB No alternatives or other options. Now the filter works fine so far, but RB it regularly filters messages from a newsletter I'm subscribed to RB although the sender address of this newsletter does neither contain the RB string "mailer-daemon" nor "postmaster". Thanks for all the help! I have moved the filter to the bottom of the filter list and set up an extra filter for this newsletter, now everything is OK. Thanks again! However, it would be interesting to know which headers are considered to be a "Sender" in The Bat!. Maybe one of the developers can shed some light on this? Ralf. -- BackMagic: Disaster Recovery Cloning für Windows 9x http://www.backmagic.de -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Web hyperlinks don't work
Hi nurmot, On 20 January 2000 at 00:07:24 GMT -0800 (which was 08:07 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: ncc ... My previous e-mail clients Agent - Calypso) are able to ncc launch Netscape. ncc What's wrong? This topic is dealt with on the FAQ web site. Please refer to http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/howdoi.shtml topic "mailto:" for more information. (although I do realize that you won't be able to click the link to get there). -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Web hyperlinks don't work
Hi Me, On 20 January 2000 at 08:47:41 GMT + (which was 08:47 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these erroneous points: MDP On 20 January 2000 at 00:07:24 GMT -0800 (which was 08:07 where I MDP live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: ncc ... My previous e-mail clients Agent - Calypso) are able to ncc launch Netscape. ncc What's wrong? MDP This topic is dealt with on the FAQ web site. Please refer to MDP http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/howdoi.shtml topic "mailto:" for MDP more information. (although I do realize that you won't be able MDP to click the link to get there). Er - sorry - wrong answer. This is about working in the opposite direction and having TB pick up MailTo: clicks from NetScape. I'm not sure why TB wouldn't launch the URL clicks. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Web hyperlinks don't work
Marck wrote: Hi Me, On 20 January 2000 at 08:47 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these erroneous points: MDP On 20 January 2000 at 00:07:24 GMT -0800 (which was 08:07 where I MDP live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: ncc ... My previous e-mail clients Agent - Calypso) are able to ncc launch Netscape. ncc What's wrong? MDP This topic is dealt with on the FAQ web site. Er - sorry - wrong answer. This is about working in the opposite direction and having TB pick up MailTo: clicks from NetScape. I'm not sure why TB wouldn't launch the URL clicks. Darn, you got my hopes up for second. Thanks for trying Tom TB! user since Jan 19, 2000 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Replt-To in mailing list (Was: mailto: in Signatures)
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 05:17:48 +0100, Jast wrote: Well I don't :-D However, even if I did it, that's what trashcans are for... I dislike system trashcans. :-D I have the hassle of having to clear them since I hardly EVER restore anything. You can send your system in a tizzy as I've seen others do when they delete stuff that is too large for the recycle bin. Have you ever done it? When I got my compaq laptop, the first thing I did was to delete the contents of the backup partition. I do my own backups you see. I did it via the CLI. A friend of mine asked me whether or not he could delete his backup since we used the same laptops. I said sure . Booom. He selected the folder and deleted 400MB of stuff to the recycle bin. Eeeek! Whenever I hit Shift-Del, *I mean it* hence no recycle bin to reduce my HD life span. :) It's kinda difficult to tap shift-del accidentally or in a swift move of the mouse hit 'del folder contents'. Tell me which of the following situations you'd like to be in: - - - situation 1 [..snip..] Of course not. You don't get my point do you? - - - situation 2 [..snip..] I already have this feature where I need it and that is in text and photo-editing. :-D I just don't cater to a system wide one. It's inefficient. Thank goodness I can bypass it. I loved OS/2 for not having a recycle bin by default. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Itsdifficulttobeverycreativewithonlyfiftysevencharacters! ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Newsreading with Bat?
Hello Allie, On Wednesday, January 19, 2000 you wrote: [Gravity] Yes, but considering that I have to pay for the damn thing, the editor is UTTERLY unacceptable. How can you create a popup message saying that the flow of text is too long and that some readers may have problems reading the message without providing a solution?!! X-News gives a reformat facility. Agent says nothing on the matter. :) You cannot paste as quote and you cannot configure the editors color scheme. I can't imagine how the editor can be like this and there is no facility (unless it's hidden) to use an external editor. When I copy and paste text to 'message cleaner' it's done in a buggy fashion as well (that's unbelievable. I didn't know such a thing could happen). Oh, come on, this program is a winner as far as bugs are concerned. Too long lines is one of them. But there are plenty of others, and plenty of lacking features (like Base64 and Quoted Printable support for 8 bit characters, code pages converting). I'm still using it, but only because I'm yet too lazy to switch to XNews. But I will soon! XNews + Hamster :-) -- Christopher J. Trybowski === --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- uin:4350719 --- http://www.trybik.i.krakow.pl --- pgp-keys: 0xB92EEE69 0x9382700B ===( get-pgp-keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=send_key )=== Using The Bat! 1.39 [reg] under Windows 98 4.10 build 1998. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Newsreading with Bat?
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:29:54 +0100, Christopher J. Trybowski wrote: [Gravity] Yes, but considering that I have to pay for the damn thing, the editor is UTTERLY unacceptable. How can you create a popup message saying that the flow of text is too long and that some readers may have problems reading the message without providing a solution?!! X-News gives a reformat facility. Agent says nothing on the matter. :) You cannot paste as quote and you cannot configure the editors color scheme. I can't imagine how the editor can be like this and there is no facility (unless it's hidden) to use an external editor. When I copy and paste text to 'message cleaner' it's done in a buggy fashion as well (that's unbelievable. I didn't know such a thing could happen). Oh, come on, this program is a winner as far as bugs are concerned. Too long lines is one of them. But there are plenty of others, and plenty of lacking features (like Base64 and Quoted Printable support for 8 bit characters, code pages converting). I'm still using it, but only because I'm yet too lazy to switch to XNews. But I will soon! XNews + Hamster :-) I didn't give it enough of a chance to discover other problems. Upon using it to post a couple messages, the decision was clear. If certain basic things/issues are not properly addressed, I don't care about the rest of the apps abilities. It's simple canned. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ "DesqView!" ... Gesundheit. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:38:15 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 19, 2000, 11:38:15 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas Hallo Douglas, Thomas On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:57:20 -0600 GMT (19.01.2000, 23:57 +0800 GMT), Thomas Douglas Hinds wrote: TF While reading mail: I switch accounts with the mouse. DH You have to look for it. Thomas And you don't have to look at a pop-up window? TF I hope you don't mean something *always* visable. DH I do. Thomas My sincere objection. ;-) It can be optional... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Fwd: Re: Redirect (Bounce)
Thursday, January 20, 2000 sample of MY forwarded msg so what the heck is the debate all about This is a forwarded message From: Marck D. Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Redirect (Bounce) ===8==Original message text=== Hi Thomas, On 19 January 2000 at 01:03:46 GMT +0800 (which was 17:03 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: TF (We're OT again. Marck is selecting the knife to kill the horse.) Still allowing a few final breaths to see if there *is* a forthcoming "constructive" work-around suggestion (like e.g. manually or via QT modifying the subject to reflect the routing) before wielding the big old cull-hammer. -- Cheers, \\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY - Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ===8===End of original message text=== Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 LOCAL phone: 271194 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Redirect (Bounce)
Hello Marck D. Pearlstone, On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:37:16 + GMT your local time, which was Thursday, January 20, 2000, 12:37:16 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Marck Still allowing a few final breaths to see if there *is* a forthcoming Marck "constructive" work-around suggestion (like e.g. manually or via QT Marck modifying the subject to reflect the routing) before wielding the big Marck old cull-hammer. If I forward it has at the far bottom WHO forwarded it so whats the problem??? Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Tom If you were to come to get carpal tunnel syndrome (which has been Tom extending its talons into me recently), you'll come to appreciate the Tom difference between pressing ^] for next message vs. 'n' or space. whats wrong with arrow up and down? Tom I am so happy someone pointed out that you can use the space bar when Tom the focus is in the message list pane. If only there was a way to go back Tom in the message... Also noticed that the mousewheel works in the Tom message view pane even if the focus is not there. Very trick. (why Tom isn't this in any of the documentation that I read?) A(g) DH but while many of your comments may be helpful, I strongly suggest DH you suspend your assumptions to a greater degree and try to DH assimilate the approach TB takes to windows email. Tom In other words "shut the hell up 'til you've been accepted as a long Tom time user of this program. Well, I think more of lets have a look at V2 as if its all reprogrammable keys what does it matter as there likely will be a whole book of suggested updates Tom I have four words I could say to that, but I won't. What I will say Tom is that I will speak what I know and what I feel, and these are things Tom that WOULD increase The Bat!'s (narrow) market appeal, and I will not Tom make such outrageous suggestions as adding a file manager or news Tom reader to the software. All I want is something that is good at Tom handling mail, both incoming and outgoing, both reading and writing. I agree but its no use trying to try to cause huge changes to bat V1 while we donot know whats in V2... Tom -tom! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Thursday, January 20, 2000, tracer wrote to Tom Plunket about Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list: Tom If you were to come to get carpal tunnel syndrome (which has been Tom extending its talons into me recently), you'll come to appreciate the Tom difference between pressing ^] for next message vs. 'n' or space. t whats wrong with arrow up and down? It doesn't move to next unread. But space and 'n' are already assigned. -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Fwd: Re: Redirect (Bounce)
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:16:50 +0700, tracer wrote: sample of MY forwarded msg so what the heck is the debate all about Well, I hit the reply button to your forwarded message and the message was addressed to you and not Marck. I have to rectify that and then delete out your little intro on who it's from etc. and your begin and end quote stuff to get a decent reply back to the writer of the original message. -second option- Redirect the message. Now when I read the message the body of the message is not quoted and is undisturbed. I hit reply and it is addressed to the person who wrote the message and not the redirector of the message. The problem here is the relative anonymity of redirecting on the part of the redirector. The only way the recipient will know how they got the message is to examine the headers and look at the X-Sender or the redirector may edit the reply-to headers with adding "by way of redirectors address". This has been shown not to be a good idea however. -third option- MIME forward the message. In so doing, the recipient knows without a doubt that the message was not originally sent to him. On opening the attached message, he views it intact, is able to examine the intact headers etc. When he hits reply, the appropriate addressing comes up. The only drawback to this, which I personally don't consider to be one, is that you have to open the message since it comes as an attachment. The good portion of the chatter, however, was how to automagically, by way of template macros, get the 'by way of redirectors address' inserted in the reply:to headers. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ You can never get rid of a bad temper by losing it. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Possible filter bug?
Hello Ralf, RB However, it would be interesting to know which headers are considered to RB be a "Sender" in The Bat!. Maybe one of the developers can shed some RB light on this? AFAICR, Sender = From / Reply-To / Return-path Reply-To field contained the word "postmaster" in the host name (by the way, I suggest you to use "postmaster@" instead). Best regards, Stefan ..."Example is not the main thing in influencing others. It is the only thing." - Albert Schweitzer -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Newsreading with Bat?
On Wednesday, January 19, 2000, 4:29:54 PM, Christopher J. Trybowski wrote: Oh, come on, this program is a winner as far as bugs are concerned. Too long lines is one of them. But there are plenty of others, and plenty of lacking features (like Base64 and Quoted Printable support for 8 bit characters, code pages converting). I'm still using it, but only because I'm yet too lazy to switch to XNews. But I will soon! XNews + Hamster :-) I'm just curious, but what purpose would be served by trying to run Xnews with Hamster? What added functionality would it serve that is not already present in Xnews? -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Newsreading with Bat?
Thursday, January 20, 2000, 7:54:19 AM, Nick wrote: I'm just curious, but what purpose would be served by trying to run Xnews with Hamster? What added functionality would it serve that is not already present in Xnews? Wild guess, Hamster is a local news server. XNews doesn't have true offline reading capabilities so it needs a local news server to do that. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Newsreading with Bat?
On Thursday, January 20, 2000, 3:20:52 AM, Allie Martin wrote: I didn't give it enough of a chance to discover other problems. Upon using it to post a couple messages, the decision was clear. If certain basic things/issues are not properly addressed, I don't care about the rest of the apps abilities. It's simple canned. Sorry Allie, but I'm coming in on this thread a little late. Are you referring to Gravity 2.2, or Xnews? What are some of these "basic" issues you're referring to that are not present in Gravity, but are in Xnews? I've just started using Xnews, and am presently trying to digest all the info on the Perl Regular Expression Tutorial. :o) Nick -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: ERROR ... please help ...
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, January 18, 2000, 4:31:34 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: CGS well, then the best way is to do purge or compress all folder from the CGS menu, right ??? CGS but I don't think, the bat can show me this % thing ... I do it on a regular basis, very much like I clean up temp directories and the like. House keeping. ;-) Well ... I am not that good with house keeping ^^ but perhaps I can remember it, to do it from time to time ... would be nice, to let it be done on certain days and on a certain time ... Best regards, Clemens written with TheBat! 1.38e on Windows 98, 4 10 Build A on Thursday, January 20, 2000 at 4:49:07 PM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
TB's Threading Peculiarities
Hello Batters, I've tried so many ways to sort and view threads, and I've yet to find a combination that works for me. The closest I've come to what I would consider _ideal_ is this: Display: All messages Sort by: Creation time... descending View Threads by: References (standard) Still, I'll see a thread where the first message is the original, as it should be, then most, but not all, of the replies are listed in descending order with the little + sign next to each one. Other combinations I've tried will list the replies _without_ the + signs, but then I'll find the original message stuck somewhere in the middle of the thread, which doesn't make sense to me, and at times will make it difficult to follow the thread. What combinations of viewing preferences would allow TB to simply list the original message as the first message in a thread, followed in chronological order by all the replies, and without the little + signs necessitating all the extra mouse clicks required to read the thread? What have others found that works for them? Nick -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Newsreading with Bat?
On Thursday, January 20, 2000, 8:01:43 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: Wild guess, Hamster is a local news server. XNews doesn't have true offline reading capabilities so it needs a local news server to do that. Oh right... yeah, I forgot about the off-line reading issue. Thanks. :o) -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB's Threading Peculiarities
On Thursday, January 20, 2000, 9:19:11 AM, Angel wrote: I view by "Subject". so far so good..it works for me :D Is that sort by subject Angel, or view threads by subject? I wonder what the difference in the two would be? -- -=Nick Andriash=- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Keys available from KeyServers --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
