The 'cannot read email from POP3 server more than once' problem again ...
I've been looking at the 'can only connect once to POP3' problem with three email clients (Outlook Express, The Bat! and AK-Mail www.akmail.com), three POP3 servers (pop3.lineone.net, ice.cream.org and mail.btinternet.com) and two operating systems (Windows 95, Windows 2000 - I don't have access to Windows 98, alas). From various trials, and conversations on ICQ, the problem looks like something to do with the interaction between The Bat! and the Windows 2000 TCP/IP stack. The problem, as noted before, is that, with Win2K, The Bat! can only read the POP3 server once in a session; second and subsequent reads stick and the only cure is to close and restart The Bat! I also note that sending email via smtp.lineone.net or ice.cream.org also hangs if the corresponding POP3 server has been interrogated; thus the only way to send email at all using The Bat! is to disable the 'check on starting' and 'automatic check every N minutes' options and, in fact, not check email at all until you've composed and sent your email(s). What I've found: 1. All three programs send and receive email perfectly with Win95. 2. Outlook Express and AK-Mail send and receive email perfectly with Win2K; The Bat! fails. 3. Which POP3 server is used doesn't matter; all three programs work (or don't work) irrespective of which of the three servers are used. 4. The time between checking email twice on the same server doesn't matter; whether it is immediately after the last check, or several minutes after it, The Bat! fails under Win2K (but works under Win95) and the other two programs work under Win2K and Win95. 5. The Bat!'s settings (such as toggling 'send and receive at the same time') don't matter; I've tried all possible permutations and still see the problem. 6. An interesting discovery: I have a personal firewall, ZoneLabs' ZoneAlarm (www.zonelabs.com), installed on the Win2K machine. On the second and subsequent attempts by The Bat! to read any of the three POP3 servers ZoneAlarm catches attempts by them to access 'non-standard' ports (generally in the 1030 to 1060 range), raising an alert. There are no such alerts following the first attempt by The Bat! or with Outlook Express or AK-Mail. I will do whatever is needed to provide more data. For the moment, here's a session with Outlook Express to show what is flying back and forth in a working session (mail.btinternet.com omitted as it's similar to pop3.lineone.net). Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 POP3 Log started at 06/29/2000 09:12:24 POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] +OK [EMAIL PROTECTED] POP3: 09:12:26 [tx] USER alastair POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:26 [tx] PASS * POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:26 [tx] STAT POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] +OK 3 3527 POP3: 09:12:26 [tx] LIST POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] 1 944 POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] 2 1599 POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] 3 984 POP3: 09:12:26 [rx] . POP3: 09:12:26 [tx] UIDL 1 POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] +OK 1 962234045.27814.ice POP3: 09:12:27 [tx] UIDL POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] 1 962234045.27814.ice POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] 2 962241836.31956.ice POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] 3 962264558.5839.ice POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] . POP3: 09:12:27 [tx] TOP 1 0 POP3: 09:12:27 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:28 [tx] TOP 2 0 POP3: 09:12:28 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:28 [tx] TOP 3 0 POP3: 09:12:29 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:29 [tx] RETR 1 POP3: 09:12:30 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:30 [tx] RETR 2 POP3: 09:12:31 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:31 [tx] RETR 3 POP3: 09:12:32 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:32 [tx] QUIT POP3: 09:12:33 [rx] +OK POP3: 09:12:38 [rx] +OK QPOP (version 2.52) at shaggy.lineone.net starting. POP3: 09:12:38 [tx] USER alastair.scott POP3: 09:12:39 [rx] +OK Password required for alastair.scott. POP3: 09:12:39 [tx] PASS *** POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] +OK alastair.scott has 1 message (1069 octets). POP3: 09:12:40 [tx] STAT POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] +OK 1 1069 POP3: 09:12:40 [tx] LIST POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] +OK 1 messages (1069 octets) POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] 1 1069 POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] . POP3: 09:12:40 [tx] UIDL 1 POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] +OK 1 e6e9812616f9b7335a146dac1b18624f POP3: 09:12:40 [tx] UIDL POP3: 09:12:40 [rx] +OK uidl command accepted. POP3: 09:12:41 [rx] 1 e6e9812616f9b7335a146dac1b18624f POP3: 09:12:41 [rx] . POP3: 09:12:41 [tx] TOP 1 0 POP3: 09:12:41 [rx] +OK 1069 octets POP3: 09:12:45 [tx] RETR 1 POP3: 09:12:47 [rx] +OK 1069 octets POP3: 09:12:48 [tx] QUIT POP3: 09:12:48 [rx] +OK Pop server at shaggy.lineone.net signing off. I like The Bat! and want to register it, but obviously cannot do so with such a serious problem outstanding. Alastair -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The 'cannot read email from POP3 server more than once' problem again ...
On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:03:18 +0100, Alastair Scott wrote: snip AS 6. An interesting discovery: I have a personal firewall, ZoneLabs' AS ZoneAlarm (www.zonelabs.com), installed on the Win2K machine. On the AS second and subsequent attempts by The Bat! to read any of the three AS POP3 servers ZoneAlarm catches attempts by them to access AS 'non-standard' ports (generally in the 1030 to 1060 range), raising AS an alert. There are no such alerts following the first attempt by AS The Bat! or with Outlook Express or AK-Mail. I was about to ask you this and you volunteered it. ZoneAlarm is the culprit here. I wrote to the ZoneAlarm developers and this was their response: We are looking into resolving the problem with blocking access to mail servers, others have reported it too. A solution for now is to add the mail server to your trusted Local Zone. - Enter the security panel - Click on the advanced button. - Select add - Select host/Site - Enter the mail server name - Click next, confirm the entry - Click OK - Click OK Then you should no longer have a problem accessing the email server. I hope this helps. The above instructions do solve the problem and I hope this helps. :-) Most who have reported this problem have indeed been using ZoneAlarm. Another work around is to use a local POP server. XRay is a nice one. -- Allie Martin[ TB! v1.45 Beta/4 | Win2k Pro ] PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=GetAlliePGPKey "Skiier: Avalanche looking for a place to happen. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PGP DLL Version Number?
Hello Jamie Dainton, On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:48:53 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, June 29, 2000, 4:48:53 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jamie Dainton wrote: Hello tracer, Wednesday, June 28, 2000, 12:08:21 PM, you wrote: I don't recommend TB! to anyone outside of power users. It's just not worth the effort for most people. I wouldn't class me as a true power user but I do agree with Des that it would be a terrible thing if The Bat! became simplified. As M$ proved if you simplyfy anything enough anyone will use. I get get huge amounts of e-mails that read like this: the whole idea of having a table for me is so that i could have a border How have I managed to put them off and give them the wrong impression It lack images, content, it is a bit dull, but then agian my Dad hasn't given me to work with and I don't know much HTML and I don't know any facey stuff like Java script, I am just a biggine What I said/meant was that there very likely is a market for 2 bats, a very chopped down easy version and the one we want ourselves. Most users donot want all those bells and whistles we want, they just want to open a new msg and send it and when it comes in, see what it says. I see lots of email folders in systems and there is an enormous number of people whose email usage is very simple and basic and who use outlook / outlook express. Which for them is also to complicated/big/bulky. t But the bat doesnt give him any problems for simple emails. I've seen some lamers who have difficulty working out how to shut their computer down. Under windows98 often a bug in windows and in at least one case I saw the network card being the reason. Any way, I once after a year not using a certain system needing 3 keys to be pressed to start up had totally forgotten WHICh keys... Felt really silly(g) t I would imagine that half the users if not more would be very happy t with an email client which works as well as the BAT with less features t as they arent using them anyway. New lamer users would start using The Bat! but many experienced users would leave in droves. I like being able to use regular expression (albeit not very well). I like the filtering capabilities and the sheer power of TB!. Long live TB! may the bat fly forever. I am not saying remove all that stuff, I say there likely is a market for 2 versions Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.45 Beta/1 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Upgrades are the only reason to use a software package?
Hi tracer, Sorry for asking but I thought chinese writing was the same anywhere they write chinese...ignoring political bounderies for centuries... may not SOUND the same but you know what the menu says (g) or the numbers. First thing I learned to make sure chicken was chicken and not fish (g). To certain degree, you're right. There's no single spoken language called Chinese. When we say "Chinese", it means the written language. For speaking, though, there're plenty of dialects. The official spoken Chinese is in fact "Beijing dialect", while in many places outside of China/Taiwan/Singapore, when people say they "speak Chinese", they mean they speak "Kantonese", a dialect popular in southern part of China and the native tong of Hong Kong people. Risking improperly dragging international politics into this group, I (and many Taiwanese) have a slightly different view. Indeed Taiwanese (the language and most of the people) came from China, but we have been separated for most of the past several hundred of years, so I tend to think of Taiwanese as a different language (and people, for that matter). We use most of the same "characters" to write Taiwanese, but Japanese and Korean share many of the same characters as well, you certainly don't call them "dialects". While I don't deny Taiwanese is closer to Chinese than Japanese, in terms of the form of the language (especially grammar), the difference between Taiwanese and Chinese is not insignificant. We have many words that can't be written in traditional Chinese characters. The way of expression, some grammar, and many terms for the same things are different. When People "write" Taiwanese in newspaper, those who don't speak Taiwanese can hardly understand it, even though they know most of the characters. (I guess it's not too hard to understand for most of you, since many western languages share the same alphabet and yet are distinctively different languages.) Now China has forcefully simplified all Chinese writing (same word, simplified writing), the difference is even greater. While Hong Kong does share the same character set (for computer) with us (the big-5 code, which is one of many double-byte Chinese encoding, in contrast to the popular encoding used by China--GB), I've always had a hard time reading posts from Hong Kong in newsgroup. Windows not supporting it, well they want to sell to mainland china which doesnt want it with the buildin backdoors... Sorry if I mislead you. It's not that complicated. Taiwanese as a written language is in its infant period, and there's no computer coding system for it. I think a better way of saying is there's no known computer system supporting it, it's just so happen I use Windows and it's the computer system on my mind at the time. Windows does support big-5 code, the de facto standard coding system in Taiwan (as well as Hong Kong, and maybe Singapore). Aside from historical reasons (different people tried to teach computer to read/write Chinese at the same time), why there're so many different Chinese coding system is because there're simply too many Chinese characters that no one single coding system can cover all of them (not even with two bytes). Computers used by libraries, e.g., need a coding system that cover much more characters, so they use a triple-byte system. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The 'cannot read email from POP3 server more than once' problem again ...
Hi Alastair, From various trials, and conversations on ICQ, the problem looks like something to do with the interaction between The Bat! and the Windows 2000 TCP/IP stack. The problem, as noted before, is that, with Win2K, The Bat! can only read the POP3 server once in a session; second and subsequent reads stick and the only cure is to close and restart The Bat! I'm no expert and I'm afraid I can offer little help. Yet it appears to me that the problem is more than that. I'm using Win2k with TB! and I've seen no such problem since day one. I believe many people on the list use TB! with Win2k as well. Could you tell me how you get the detailed POP3 communications log? Is it a built-in function of OE 5.5, Win2k or from a 3rd-party utility? (I've just left OE 5, but never tried 5.5, and don't remember there's such function in OE. And Win2k is too new for me to know much details.) Too bad TB! can't be set to provide logs in such detail. If there's a freeware utility I can get to (or Win2k itself can) provide such detailed log, I'll be happy to test my own system for your reference. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The 'cannot read email from POP3 server more than once' problem again ...
Ming-Li wrote: ML I'm no expert and I'm afraid I can offer little help. Yet it ML appears to me that the problem is more than that. I'm using ML Win2k with TB! and I've seen no such problem since day one. I ML believe many people on the list use TB! with Win2k as well. The ZoneAlarm suggestion is interesting; problems with the personal firewall may well be the problem and I'll find out later today (as you can see I'm posting this with TB! so am on the "wrong" machine :) ML Could you tell me how you get the detailed POP3 communications ML log? Is it a built-in function of OE 5.5, Win2k or from a ML 3rd-party utility? (I've just left OE 5, but never tried 5.5, ML and don't remember there's such function in OE. And Win2k is too ML new for me to know much details.) Too bad TB! can't be set to ML provide logs in such detail. For Outlook Express 5.01 select Tools | Options from the menu bar, then press the Maintenance tab and, at the bottom of the tab, there's a 'Troubleshooting' section. Check the 'Mail' check box and, after you've run OE for a bit, search for 'pop3.log' on your hard drive. That contains the information received by OE from the POP3 server. Unfortunately TB! parses the information it received from the POP3 server before displaying it in the Log Panel (Ctrl-Shift-L) :/ (AK-Mail stores the information it receives from the POP3 server in encrypted form and can display it, via an inbuilt viewer, from within itself). Alastair -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The 'cannot read email from POP3 server more than once' problem again ...
Hi Alastair, [Your detailed instruction snipped] Thanks. I'm not using OE anymore. I was hoping it's a function provided by Win2k so I could check the details of all my network communications. Thanks anyway. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Upgrades are the only reason to use a software package?
Hello Ming-Li, On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:04:58 -0700 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, June 29, 2000, 7:04:58 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Ming-Li wrote: Hi tracer, Ok, thanks for the explanationand sorry for chopping your long post above out. One question really so why do I see on that windows I have lying around somewhere with chinese on the cover that files have names with TW in them. Isnt that Taiwan??? Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.45 Beta/1 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Upgrades are the only reason to use a software package?
Hi tracer, Ok, thanks for the explanation and sorry for chopping your long post above out. One question really so why do I see on that windows I have lying around somewhere with chinese on the cover that files have names with TW in them. Isnt that Taiwan??? I'm not sure I know what you're talking about. Chinese on the cover of what? You mean the original Win2k packaging box? I don't know. My Win2k is an OEM version which I traded with a friend for my Win98 (also OEM), and it's the English version. Filenames with TW in them? I've never heard of this. On the Internet, address ending with tw is in the Taiwan domain, and newsgroup starting with tw are indeed Taiwan's newsgroups. But I don't know any Windows system files with tw in their names. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Upgrades are the only reason to use a software package?
Hi tracer, Stephan may run the same version as us but you donot know if the wrap looks anything like ours I wouldnt believe seeing what it says below a msg as likely that comes from the innards of the program, not the shell. If he was running whats v2 beta 0.0001 he isnt going to show that as there would be yelling to release it... I wouldn't say this is impossible, but I doubt it, assuming it's true that very little of v.1x code would go into v2. (I remember reading this somewhere, but I couldn't remember.) My maain problem with Agent is that for some groups filtering is hopelessly inadequate. I have to follow some groups where trolls are a daily occurance including 2000 or so daily cross posts. Believe me , Agent isnt any good for a situation like that... You're right. But I wonder how any reader can effectively eliminate those. Do you have any suggestions? 1.18 is out I guess you mean 1.8, which is what I use. There is a very nice English package, I forgot the name, it had buildin pgp etc. I may still have it somewhere... Are you talking about email client or newsreader? I wonder what pgp has to do with newsreading. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PGP DLL Version Number?
Hi tracer, may I recommend not eating soup near your computer, they arent soup proof (g) Accepted. I'll remember that. On second thought, I'll take my chances. :-; Add to that one of my all-time wishes (which is all but guaranteed not to happen): Agent 2.0. I think it will... Really? What's your basis of such optimism? I wish you're right, but I doubt it. Forte has all but conceded that they're no longer developing it. I wander around the Agent newsgroup from time to time. This question comes up very often, and I haven't seen any optimistic answer yet (even from Forte's own people). -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Upgrades are the only reason to use a software package?
Hello Syafril, Thursday, June 29, 2000, 4:16:04 AM, you wrote: t You like BETA testing (g) I love beta testing. If anyone's got any new interesting apps they want beta testing contact me. If they're written in VB or Delphi I'll accept the source as well. -- From Jamie Dainton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thursday, June 29, 2000 6:40:51 PM Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/1 Windows Millennium 4.90 2525 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: PGP DLL Version Number?
Hello Tom, Thursday, June 29, 2000, 1:25:15 AM, you wrote: TP I think that it was a joke. I could be wrong, but the lead-in TP paragraph seemed to indicate "when I get things like this..." Great idea for a lead in. The only problem is that I do get many e-mails like that. -- From Jamie Dainton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thursday, June 29, 2000 6:38:46 PM Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/1 Windows Millennium 4.90 2525 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[4]: PGP DLL Version Number?
Hello Gary, Thursday, June 29, 2000, 12:29:26 AM, you wrote: G Hi Jamie, G On Wednesday, June 28, 2000, 4:48:53 PM, you wrote in part about "PGP DLL Version Number?": J the whole idea of having a table for me is so that i could have a border How J have I managed J to put them off and give them the wrong impression It lack images, content, J it is a bit dull, but J then agian my Dad hasn't given me to work with and I don't know much HTML and J I don't know J any facey stuff like Java script, I am just a biggine G I think you have your line length set too long, as the above happens G in TB! as you prose comes through. To change it, go to options / G editor preferences and you will see it. I think you have yours set at G about 90 or 100. I've double checked and it is set to wrap at 70 chars. The problem may have been when I pasted the lamer section in. That's teh only bat thing that really bugs me. -- From Jamie Dainton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thursday, June 29, 2000 6:37:16 PM Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/1 Windows Millennium 4.90 2525 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Bizarre/Weird non constant error.
Hello TBUDL, On some peoples posts to TBUDL and TBBETA TB! downloads the same post twice. I've double checked and I'm not subscribed under two names so that's not the problem. Also only a few people have their posts downloaded twice. These lucky people are Ming-Li, István Szendrõ and Allie Martin. Unless you lot are posting twice, which I doubt either there is a problem with the lineone pop server, the bat server or me. You decide. -- From Jamie Dainton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thursday, June 29, 2000 6:44:12 PM Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/1 Windows Millennium 4.90 2525 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Miles off topic. Ever since I upgraded to Windows Me
Hello TBUDL, Ever since I upgraded to Windows Me Internet Explorer 5 and The Bat! are very slow to launch. Any other Wine Me users suffering teh same problems? -- From Jamie Dainton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thursday, June 29, 2000 6:49:16 PM Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/1 Windows Millennium 4.90 2525 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[5]: PGP DLL Version Number?
Hi Jamie, On Thursday, June 29, 2000, 12:38:19 PM, you wrote in part about "PGP DLL Version Number?": J I've double checked and it is set to wrap at 70 chars. The problem J may have been when I pasted the lamer section in. That's teh J only bat thing that really bugs me. Ah, I see. A really cool feature of TB!'s editor is the ability to reformat, etc. If you place your cursor in the paragraph and hit ALT L, it will rejustify the paragraph left for you, ALT J for full justify and ALT R for right justification. Batty will also reset the quote mark () for you for the entire paragraph automatically. Another way to accomplish paragraph reformatting is to just put your cursor above the paragraph, hit delete and the paragraph will move up already formatted for you. I also like having the ability to place my cursor anywhere and just start typing from that point. Hey, you think this editor is rough, you should play with Emacs. :-) -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: The right half of the brain controls the left half of the body. This means that only left handed people are in their right mind. PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Bizarre/Weird non constant error.
JD On some peoples posts to TBUDL and TBBETA TB! downloads the same JD post twice. I've seen this from time to time, but haven't seen it in a few weeks... In other words, I've only gotten singles of every message lately. Perhaps you have a funny filter that's doin' it to ya? -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Bizarre/Weird non constant error.
Hi Jamie, On some peoples posts to TBUDL and TBBETA TB! downloads the same post twice. I've double checked and I'm not subscribed under two names so that's not the problem. Also only a few people have their posts downloaded twice. These lucky people are Ming-Li, Istvn Szendr and Allie Martin. Unless you lot are posting twice, which I doubt either there is a problem with the lineone pop server, the bat server or me. You decide. Only once did I post a message to both the tbudl and tbbeta groups, to introduce myself on Jun. 20. If it's the one you're referring to, I'm guilty as charged. Other than that, I've never sent a message twice, and I haven't seen duplicated posts from me, Istvn, or Allie recently. So maybe there's something wrong with your server. -- Best regards, Ming-Li mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: PGP DLL Version Number?
Hi Tom, On Thursday, June 29, 2000, 2:37:09 PM, you wrote in part about "PGP DLL Version Number?": T Notwithstanding the great reformatting options available for Emacs, T the other bonus going for it (if you can program Lisp) is that you T can actually remap the keys. Yep, do it all the time. Rc files are the way to go in Linux, as you can change anything, even color schemes. I personally like XEmacs better. -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Bizarre/Weird non constant error.
Hi Jamie, Thursday, June 29, 2000, 6:47:05 PM, you wrote: JD Unless you lot are posting twice, which I doubt either JD there is a problem with the lineone pop server, the bat server or me. JD You decide. No problems here with the Lineone server, so either you are not completing the download (in which case the messages will not be deleted from the server) or you have filter problem. -- Mark Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/4 under Windows NT 5 0 Build 2195 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The 'cannot read email from POP3 server more than once' problem again ...
Allie wrote: AM The above instructions do solve the problem and I hope this helps. :-) AM Most who have reported this problem have indeed been using ZoneAlarm. AM Another work around is to use a local POP server. XRay is a nice one. It does - I can now use the three POP3 and SMTP servers ad lib. Many thanks! (One mild warning is that, when you enter the POP3/SMTP server details into ZoneAlarm, you have to be connected to the Internet first. ZA resolves the IP address of the server immediately so, if you aren't online, it complains with a rather obscure error message ...) Alastair -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PGP DLL Version Number?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gary, On Thursday 06/29/2000 at 19:16, you wrote: Hey, you think this editor is rough, you should play with Emacs. :-) shudder Or vi To much Linux... think *nice* thoughts... - -- Deryk Lister [ICQ] 25869912 Please use the following link for personal replies mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Re:%20TBUDL%20post -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOVvBDHOnWdt5ttqvEQL1rwCgnVKVAX7QNiV5IXHsuDWXFpYC7cIAoN+Z yG9p16TMkqbi2GW97a1VAc40 =lF+c -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PGP DLL Version Number?
On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:16:01 -0500, Gary wrote: G Another way to accomplish paragraph reformatting is to just put your G cursor above the paragraph, hit delete and the paragraph will move up G already formatted for you. This is with auto-format enabled. :-) G I also like having the ability to place my cursor anywhere and just G start typing from that point. Great! But with it I have to get chummy with the Home and End keys. Worth-while trade-off to me.:-) Of course others think otherwise ... -- Allie Martin[ TB! v1.45 Beta/4 | Win2k Pro ] PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=GetAlliePGPKey "All the easy problems have been solved. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PGP DLL Version Number?
Morning Allie Martin, Great! But with it I have to get chummy with the Home and End keys. Worth-while trade-off to me.:-) Of course others think otherwise ... That's not the problem for myself. The only real annoyance with the editor is that a paragraph reformat places the cursor at the very beginning. Inconvinient for keyboard editing. I suggest following: Align the current paragraph with the cursor column regarded as leftmost border, while keeping cursor position. So if I did Alt+L, and my cursor was at 6:12, the paragraph would be reflowed and indented 6 spaces. -- .. Jast ... mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : using TB 1.45 Beta/1 : with AMD K6-2, 64MB RAM :. on Windows 98 4.10 A Jabber [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM jasticle ICQ 37456745 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Paragraph reformatting
Hi Allie, G Another way to accomplish paragraph reformatting is to just put G your cursor above the paragraph, hit delete and the paragraph will G move up already formatted for you. A This is with auto-format enabled. :-) But of course :-) I have set this as my default so long ago, that I forgot one had an option with this feature for otherwise. G I also like having the ability to place my cursor anywhere and G just start typing from that point. A Great! But with it I have to get chummy with the Home and A End keys. Worth-while trade-off to me.:-) Of course others think A otherwise ... Me too. Others may choose differently, and all do, and this is where key remapping would be a great feature - more customization. Example, I always find myself, when wanting to delete a line from the insertion point, automatically hit Ctrl K, for example. Hold over from Emacs. :-) -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: A conclusion is simply the place where you got tired of thinking. PGP Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=SendPGPKey -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PGP DLL Version Number?
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:32:04 +0200, Jast wrote: J That's not the problem for myself. The only real annoyance with the J editor is that a paragraph reformat places the cursor at the very J beginning. ... if you don't use the auto-format feature. :-) J Inconvinient for keyboard editing. I suggest following: Align the J current paragraph with the cursor column regarded as leftmost border, J while keeping cursor position. So if I did Alt+L, and my cursor was J at 6:12, the paragraph would be reflowed and indented 6 spaces. This is a wish, right? :-/ -- Allie Martin[ TB! v1.45 Beta/4 | Win2k Pro ] PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=GetAlliePGPKey "Honk if you love peace and quiet. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PGP DLL Version Number?
Morning Allie Martin, ... if you don't use the auto-format feature. :-) ... which isn't flexible and controllable enough for me. This is a wish, right? :-/ Correct :-) -- .. Jast ... mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : using TB 1.45 Beta/1 : with AMD K6-2, 64MB RAM :. on Windows 98 4.10 A Jabber [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM jasticle ICQ 37456745 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The 'cannot read email from POP3 server more than once' problem again ...
Hello Ming-Li, On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:25:50 -0700 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, June 29, 2000, 6:25:50 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Ming-Li wrote: Could you tell me how you get the detailed POP3 communications log? Is it a built-in function of OE 5.5, Win2k or from a 3rd-party utility? (I've just left OE 5, but never tried 5.5, and don't remember there's such function in OE. And Win2k is too new for me to know much details.) Too bad TB! can't be set to provide logs in such detail. Agreed and I wouldnt mind getting them for the smtp if wanted as I have smtp problems when logged on via one ISP... If there's a freeware utility I can get to (or Win2k itself can) provide such detailed log, I'll be happy to test my own system for your reference. Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.45 Beta/1 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Miles off topic. Ever since I upgraded to Windows Me
Hello Jamie Dainton, On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:50:01 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Friday, June 30, 2000, 12:50:01 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jamie Dainton wrote: Hello TBUDL, Ever since I upgraded to Windows Me Internet Explorer 5 and The Bat! are very slow to launch. Any other Wine Me users suffering teh same problems? No, but more interesting maybe here is what you main by upgrade??? clean install or update the 98 you had My experience with loads of MS betas is that updates rarely work properly even if the result seems to work... So are you running a cleanly installed ME?? Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.45 Beta/1 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: PGP DLL Version Number?
Hello Gary, On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:16:01 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Friday, June 30, 2000, 1:16:01 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Gary wrote: Hey, you think this editor is rough, you should play with Emacs. :-) I donot and neither did I play with edlin (g). when I saw Edlin we converted our own mini PC reader / viewer / directory browser to PC so when we had the first PC's never a need to use Edlin... Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.45 Beta/1 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Bizarre/Weird non constant error.
Hello Ming-Li, Responding to your article on Friday, June 30, 2000 at 13:24:31 GMT -0700 (which was 30/06/2000 3:24 GMT +0700 my Local Time) : On some peoples posts to TBUDL and TBBETA TB! downloads the same post twice. I've double checked and I'm not subscribed under two names so that's not the problem. Also only a few people have their posts downloaded twice. These lucky people are Ming-Li, Istvn Szendr and Allie Martin. Unless you lot are posting twice, which I doubt either there is a problem with the lineone pop server, the bat server or me. You decide. ML Only once did I post a message to both the tbudl and tbbeta groups, ML to introduce myself on Jun. 20. If it's the one you're referring to, ML I'm guilty as charged. Actually will be no problem for that, as far as we made right filter, every messages will goes to their own folder. But at that time you post I change the way of Content Filter of this server (to add or delete Message Header), from "action after list crancking" to "action before cracking", the effect is for case of you the message header will duplicate. I have change it back to normal, due the new setting makes me can't add footer "You are subcribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED]" which need by members for checking his subscriber on the list, in case need some changes. ML Other than that, I've never sent a message twice, and I haven't seen ML duplicated posts from me, Istvn, or Allie recently. So maybe ML there's something wrong with your server. Jamie, Would you mind to check the message-ID: of duplicate messages ? -- Best regards, - Syafril - Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: http://www.dutaint.co.id Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/4 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Friday, June 30, 2000, 10:50:01 GMT +0700 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Upgrades are the only reason to use a software package?
Hello Jamie Dainton, Responding to your article on Friday, June 30, 2000 at 18:41:40 GMT +0100 (which was 30/06/2000 0:41 GMT +0700 my Local Time) : t You like BETA testing (g) JD I love beta testing. If anyone's got any new interesting apps they JD want beta testing contact me. If they're written in VB or Delphi JD I'll accept the source as well. Wait till V2 beta publish. The List Owner have decided to create new list, i.e TBDEV, for whom wish to create The Bat! plug-in. -- Best regards, - Syafril - Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: http://www.dutaint.co.id Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/4 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Created : Friday, June 30, 2000, 11:00:40 GMT +0700 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
