turkish character

[Yalcin Cekic]

Hi All,

I am trying to use The Bat, It is almost good.
I have one problem with Turkish character (ISO-8859-9).
I could read the messages with written in Turkish character,
But i couldnt write messages with Turkish characters.
I have read that The Bat support Turkish character but
I could not find it :-(.
Thanks for your help,
  

Best regards,
 Yalcin  

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Re: Sewcurity

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Christian,

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:22:38 -0500GMT (29/08/2000, 08:22 +0800GMT),
Christian Dysthe wrote:

CD> as soon as I have something worth protecting other than my trivial
CD> mail I will also want security over convenience. What I won't have is
CD> security  forced on me. I mean, I have for instance disabled MS
CD> Scripting Host, so I do not necessarily need The Bat! to be "my Dad"
CD> and warn me against opening attachments. It is a waste of time.

Good then. I will go through your trivial paper mail including love
letters, and while I'm at it, your offices faxes. Of course I won't
aks you for permission, because you just said you don't mind. Thanks.
;-)

As far as these warnings in TB are concerned, I agree with you that it
is a bit overdone, and they can indeed be switched off.

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Re: NAV2000 and TB!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hi Vladimir,

On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:09:12 +0200GMT (29/08/2000, 09:09 +0800GMT),
Vladimir Mincev wrote:

VM> BTW just to tell you that NAV 2000 has a hole, it always has an open
VM> port to your computer and many trojans use this hole to get in your
VM> comp. So you can get a bug fix from (I think it was): www.winfiles.com
VM> or try it on www.symantec.com ... Any way be careful, many hackers use
VM> anti-virus program holes!

I never heard this before. How can a hacker use anti-virus program
holes?

Any examples of compromised AV software?

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Re: Problem Importing from Unix Mailbox

[Ming-Li]

Hi Keith,

> Coincidentally, in doing a search this morning for "Becky" (hoping
> to find some export/import help), I came across some messages you
> posted in June about TB's lack of true CJK/DBCS support. I think I
> missed that thread at the time, because I don't remember it.
> Thomas, John De Hoog (where are you, John?), and I (and others)
> had discussed some of these problems at length several months
> earlier, and it was this (along with TB's poor threading) that
> resulted in my waiting several months to register.

It's also why I tried Becky in the first place. After Stefan
promised me DBCS support in v2, I registered without hesitation. I
like it so much better than Becky, though I do consider Becky a
respectable program with quite some innovative and useful features.

> These two issues have still not been resolved, and I really have my
> fingers crossed waiting for version 2.

Same here.

> Because I assumed that msg format wasn't standard and wouldn't
> work well, I hadn't tried this. On your suggestion, I did
> so--i.e., in Becky Export, I unchecked "Unix standard mailbox" and
> gave the file a .msg extension. In looking at the file, I couldn't
> immediately see a difference from the Unix mailbox-formatted file,
> but I imported it into TB anyway.

Sorry for not making it clearer. To generate a .msg (or .eml) file,
you don't "export" it in Becky as one does in TB. Instead, you
"save" the message. Also, a .msg file is by definition a single
message file, so you can't put 3 messages in one .msg file. The
difference between a .msg file and a single message in a unix
mailbox file is the starting "From" line which marks the start of a
message in the latter.

> I can only assume that there is something nonstandard about the
> message headers, but what?

Since you mentioned TB's lack of CJK/DBCS support, wouldn't those
messages happen to be in one of those languages? If so, it might be
TB simply "snaps" on some special character. Someone ran into this
about a month or so ago, where high 8-bit characters in the "From"
line caused TB to generate wrong headers. It has since been fixed.
So you may want to send the problematic headers to RIT for further
testings.

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Re[2]: Sewcurity

[ztrader]

On Monday, August 28, 2000, 5:22:38 PM, you wrote:

CD> Hello ztrader,

CD> as soon as I have something worth protecting other than my trivial
CD> mail I will also want security over convenience.

Some of us have things on the machine that we'd prefer stay there :-).
It would not be convenient to find everything gone, or, worse yet,
messed up in ways that are hard to fix. You're lucky to have nothing
of any value on your computer.

CD> What I won't have is
CD> security  forced on me.

Agreed - I'm not suggested forcing anyone. M$ does far too many things
'for' me, in ways I don't like. That's more like forcing, from my
point of view. I'd prefer having the option.

CD> I mean, I have for instance disabled MS
CD> Scripting Host, so I do not necessarily need The Bat! to be "my Dad"
CD> and warn me against opening attachments.

I don't worry about them either, but I find the Bat reminders useful
for younger family members, who don't always remember such things.

CD> Security is good, but should be optional...mostly! :)

Agreed - I was not suggesting otherwise. I didn't want to have to
download security patches 2-3 times a week just to keep even, as with
M$. Often these patches mess up something else, too, especially if you
don't have all ther latest versions of everything - but that's what
happens when everything is tied together, I guess.

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Re[2]: Startup Bitmap/logo - way to remove?

[Avenarius]

A Bat-fellow, Nick Andriash,
wrote on Sunday, August 27, 2000 at 18:15 CET --


>> Don't know why, but this doesn't work for me. Whenever I add
>> something to the command line in the shortcut I get an error
>> message from Windows that says such changes are inadmissable. [...]

NA> Probably something to do with how you have written out the command
NA> line. Try to make sure that you have the "NoLogo" outside of your
NA> quote marks and that you have a space between ".exe" and "/"
NA> (forward slash):

NA> "C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe" /NoLogo
NA>   ^
NA> space


Thanks a lot, this worked perfectly. I got confused by the
quote marks in the shortcut target and didn't try *this* one option
that was correct.



Alex. of Slovakia


ps.  Thanks also to Ron Secord who gave me advice privately.


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Re[2]: "%ODateEn" in another languages ?

[Avenarius]

A Bat-fellow, Viktor Mota,
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VM> Olá Frédéric,

VM> sábado, 26 de agosto de 2000, você escreveu:

FM>> Is it possible to change the language of "%ODateEn", etc ?
FM>> En is for English right ?

VM> Hi,

VM> Yes, it's possible look mine headline :-) just select the
VM> leanguage and set macro as %ODATE



Well, I don't know about Brazilian Portuguese but in Slovak, Czech,
Russian etc. you need to declinate both "Saturday" and "August".  I
can see you have

> de agosto

which is probably the Port. Windows default setting. But Slovak
Windows gives the name of the day as "sobota" whereas in a sentence
this has to be "v sobotU", and instead of "august" it has to be
"augustA" (which directly corresponds to "de agosto"). I need to
correct these things manually in each of my Slovak or Russian emails;
they look rather crude if you leave them in the state that the Bat!
macro puts them in.


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Re: Compress?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Vladimir,

On 29 August 2000 at 02:44:48 GMT +0200 (which was 01:44 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Compress?":

VM>  I  am  new in here, and I was watching for your discussions for a
VM>  while  (silently), and now here is moment where I want to ask you
VM>  something!

Hello and welcome and thank you for speaking up.

VM> When you compress messages in a folder, what is really happening
VM> with my mail (how are they compressed?)?

When  messages are deleted, they are not removed from the message base
but  just  flagged as no longer valid. Purging and compressing removes
these deleted messages and reclaims the space.

VM> Is compressed folder slower than it was?

No,  it  isn't. If anything it may be slightly quicker although, since
the file concerned is indexed, it is probably no different in reality.

VM> How can I export all of my messages when I'm reinstalling my
VM> system? Can I just save mail folder from The Bat's installation
VM> folder and later just replace new one with old?

The  message  data  is  stored in a folder structure on your disk that
exactly  mirrors  that  within  TB.  You  can  save the mail directory
structure  and  the  files their and that holds *most* of the data you
would   need.  The  rest  is  held  in  the  system  registry  in  the
HKCU/Software/RIT/The Bat!/ key and sub-keys.

You can either use Regedit to export the key or use the command prompt
or a batch file to backup the registry data with this command:

regedit /e tbreg.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT

When  re-installing,  just  double-click on the .reg file from Windows
Explorer to reload the data into the system registry.

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Re[3]: NAV2000 and TB!

[Vladimir Mincev]

Hello diggity,

Saturday, August 26, 2000, 1:07:16 AM, you wrote:

d> Hello Chuck,

d> Friday, August 25, 2000, 2:45:03 PM, you wrote:


CS>> This is from NAV2000 Email configuration help for manually configured
CS>> clients:

CS>> Setting NameCurrent SettingsNew Settings
CS>> Incoming POP3 Servermail.ispname.com127.0.0.1

CS>> User name   userid  userid/mail.ispname.com

CS>> Outgoing SMTP Servermail.ispname.commail.ispname.com

CS>> Hope this helps


d> I have NAV2000 and have set it up according to the help files and I
d> can tell you it does scan incoming emails.  So I guess it works :-)

BTW just to tell you that NAV 2000 has a hole, it always has an open
port to your computer and many trojans use this hole to get in your
comp. So you can get a bug fix from (I think it was): www.winfiles.com
or try it on www.symantec.com ... Any way be careful, many hackers use
anti-virus program holes!

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Compress?

[Vladimir Mincev]

Hello All you nice people,

 I am new in here, and I was watching for your discussions for a while
 (silently), and now here is moment where I want to ask you something!

 When you compress messages in a folder, what is really happening with
 my mail (how are they compressed?)? Is compressed folder slower than
 it was? How can I export all of my messages when I'm reinstalling my
 system? Can I just save mail folder from The Bat's installation
 folder and later just replace new one with old? Thanks for your time
 fellows! (Ops... I excuse to any girls in the mailing list for
 forgetting them!) Bye!

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Found something cool with 2 ISPs and 2 SMTPs

[Gary]

I never tried this before, but lets say you have 2 ISPs and 2 SMTPs.
If I am on line with 1, and I happen to make an email based on the
mail address of the other account, when I go to send it, of course it
will not send it, because I am not on the correct ISP and SMTP.
However, if I save the file in the outbox, and drag it to the other
account outbox, the outbox that I have the ISP open for, it will send
it, even if I have my email address incorrectly addressed to the
closed ISP and SMTP account. Pretty cool.

I have never used this before, as I have 3 email addresses on 2 ISPs,
I only use one SMTP for all.  However, I switched them around tonight,
and set them up individually, playing and testing.  In a pinch, drag
and drop to the current open SMTP, no matter what your from address
is, is a pretty cool thing.

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but it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and whack them in the
head.

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Re: Sewcurity

[Christian Dysthe]

Hello ztrader,

as soon as I have something worth protecting other than my trivial
mail I will also want security over convenience. What I won't have is
security  forced on me. I mean, I have for instance disabled MS
Scripting Host, so I do not necessarily need The Bat! to be "my Dad"
and warn me against opening attachments. It is a waste of time.

Security is good, but should be optional...mostly! :)

Monday, August 28, 2000, 6:46:38 PM, you wrote:

z> A major reason I got TB was to avoid security problems with Micro$oft.
z> It make me nervous to see so much cheeering for adding features that
z> require tight 'integration' in Windows. This could open up holes, and
z> I would hope that there is very careful consideration given to the
z> security aspect of added features. I'd love all the conveniences that
z> can be added *without compromising security*.

z> I, for one, value security over convenience. I hope I'm not the only
z> one...
  
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Re: Sewcurity

[ztrader]

On Monday, August 28, 2000, 4:46:38 PM, you wrote:

Hmmm... "Sewcurity" - one of these days I'll even learn to spell :-).

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Sewcurity

[ztrader]

A major reason I got TB was to avoid security problems with Micro$oft.
It make me nervous to see so much cheeering for adding features that
require tight 'integration' in Windows. This could open up holes, and
I would hope that there is very careful consideration given to the
security aspect of added features. I'd love all the conveniences that
can be added *without compromising security*.

I, for one, value security over convenience. I hope I'm not the only
one...
  
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Re[2]: Can The Bat! be added to the "Send To" menu in Word?

[Christian Dysthe]

Hello Gerd,

yes I am. Thanks! :)

Monday, August 28, 2000, 12:09:30 PM, you wrote:

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GE> Hello Christian Dysthe !


GE> On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:29:01 -0500 GMT your local time,
GE> which was 28.08.2000, 18:29 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:

CD>> Hello TBUDL,

CD>>   does anyone know if it is possible to have The Bat! added to the
CD>>   "Send To" menu in Word (2000)?

CD>>   TIA


GE> I have a WORD-Macro which was written by Aljoscha Rittner of the German TheBat!
GE> group that saves the Word-document and opens a new mail with the document as an
GE> attachment. I don't know whether it is ok for Word 2k.

GE> Interested ?


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Re[2]: Can The Bat! be added to the "Send To" menu in Word?

[Christian Dysthe]

Hello Marek,

hooray Finally! :)

Monday, August 28, 2000, 11:34:02 AM, you wrote:

MM> Hello all,
MM> Monday, August 28, 2000, Christian Dysthe wrote:

>>   does anyone know if it is possible to have The Bat! added to the
>>   "Send To" menu in Word (2000)?

MM> I think, this will be possible, when will be MAPI implemented. Stefan
MM> told, Simple MAPI support will be implemented in incoming beta of 1.46
MM> version :-)



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Re: Fwd: Re: TheBat and Spam (and possible list serv alt)

[Mark Aston]

Hi Jamie,

Sunday, August 27, 2000, 7:20:44 PM, you wrote:

JD> Up  in  the  grim  North  of  England sarcasm is classed as the second
JD> highest  form  of  humour  (first  is  northerners  carrying pianos up
JD> steps).  It's  very  easy  for  a  little  sarcastic  comment  to seem
JD> offensive.  Yeah  wait  till  that new  betas out, or someone comes up
JD> with   a  really  clever  idea  (why  can't  tb!  have  an  integrated
JD> spreadsheet/toaster/coffee maker?).

..and in the South of England, making fun of Northerners is
the highest class of humour:-) Hey op lad how's T'Bat! I'll wager Thou
be wantin' an integrated mushy peas and Yorkshire pud maker next:-)
Please reply by pigeon!


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Re[2]: Spam filter strings?

[ztrader]

Monday, August 28, 2000, 12:54:10 PM, you wrote:

>>> For a simple OR function, would we have:

>>> '[str A]|[str B]'

I've backed off from using the | for now, and have a more basic
question.

Let me give a specific example. I have a rule that has two strings in
two sets in the Alternatives section. The exact strings, copied from
TB are: 

[X-SBClass: Blocked]
[X-SBClass: Spam]

A message with either of these is sent to the 'spam' folder. That
works.

BUT, a message with the header

X-SBClass: Admin

is *also* sent to spam. Neither of the 'spam' strings is in the message
at all. Why is this happening?

I first had the strings in there without the [] brackets - is still
sends it to the wrong place. Should this (in theory) make a
difference?

Theory 1: it is just comparing the string up to the first space, and
ignoring the rest. If so, what special characters can I use to get TB
to compare the whole string, including the embedded spaces?

Theory 2: one needs to check the 'regular expressions' box in options
to get this to work. Is this true?

JA>>  As far as I know, no.  In a *single* string set, you could only do the
JA>>  C and D and (E or F).  See my example in a previous post to this
JA>>  thread.

MDP> Absolutely.  ZTrader  -  Januk's  example  was *crystal* clear on this
MDP> point.

I think I understand that, but this is subject to change with the
next thing that does not work as I thought it would :-).

Thanks much,
 ztradermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re[2]: Problem Importing from Unix Mailbox

[ztrader]

Monday, August 28, 2000, 1:01:33 PM, you wrote:

>> Opening the file in
>> a text editor

If you look at the import file, does it look OK as a simple ASCII
file, with correct headers and body (no leading spaces, for example)?
Do lines have a CR or CR/LF at the end? This sometimes confuses a pgm
expecting only one type. 

Just a thought...

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Re[2]: Fwd: Re: TheBat and Spam (and possible list serv alt)

[Jamie Dainton]

Hello Thomas,

Saturday, August 26, 2000, 3:04:15 PM, you wrote:

TF> Hallo A,

TF> On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:19:53 -0500 GMT (26/08/2000, 21:19 +0800 GMT),
TF> A . Curtis Martin wrote:

ACM>> Is it the trouting or is it since the my appointment? ;-b

ACM>> The list had a bad spell and everyone's warming back up. In a few weeks
ACM>> we'll be needing a lot of trout. ;-b

TF> If you try to imply that people write less cause you're mod, forget
TF> it. :-P Turns out that TBUDL gets busy every time a new beta is out
TF> (duno why this is connected), so be warned ;-)


The mod (revised) rules did seem a bit harsh at first. Many of use who
had  been  trouted  before  were  worried about being banned for minor
errors.

Up  in  the  grim  North  of  England sarcasm is classed as the second
highest  form  of  humour  (first  is  northerners  carrying pianos up
steps).  It's  very  easy  for  a  little  sarcastic  comment  to seem
offensive.  Yeah  wait  till  that new  betas out, or someone comes up
with   a  really  clever  idea  (why  can't  tb!  have  an  integrated
spreadsheet/toaster/coffee maker?).

Could  the  list server be set up to look for a html header, block the
post  and  auto  trout the sender? I know we don't get many html mails
but  it  could  be a nice idea. Also if anyone wants to see how a list
should  not  be  run/moderated/written  to  visit  ReBoot  My  PC  at
www.topica.com



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Re: Problem Importing from Unix Mailbox

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Monday, August 28, 2000, 11:56:13 AM, Allie wrote:

> It could be that the blank line between the kludges and the message body
> is not there and the message body is assumed to be a part of the
> kludges.

No, there clearly is a blank line separating the body from the
headers

> If you toggle the message header display and see the message
> body then this is likely what has occurred. Opening the exported file in
> a text editor and inserting the blank line may be all that's needed.

Show Message Header and Shift-Ctrl-K, toggled either direction, still
show no message body. I see the headers or nothing. I even tried
inserting a second blank line after the headers, with no result.

Thanks, anyway 8-(.

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Re: Spam filter strings?

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Hi Januk,

On 28 August 2000 at 12:26:37 GMT -0700 (which was 20:26 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Spam filter strings?":

>> For a simple OR function, would we have:

>> '[str A]|[str B]'

JA> I think you may be getting confused here. You don't need the
JA> apostrophes or the square brackets. Just type your strings in.
JA> This is why I think the | method for ORing to strings can be
JA> ambiguous.

..  or  you  do.  The help is also ambiguous here. Square brackets are
used  to  delimit  contiguous  strings. Apostrophes are supposed to be
used to delimited complete arguments which contain special characters.
It all adds to the ambiguity.

>> is it OK to put spaces outside brackets as:

>> ' [str A] | [str B] '

JA>  I'm not sure about the spaces.  Again, this is another reason I find
JA>  the | method to be ambiguous.

I  am  pretty  sure  about  the spaces - they'll mess it up for sure -
especially  when  used  in  conjunction  with  apostrophes  and square
brackets.

>> (I understand the ' chr is needed - true?)

JA>  False.

... or true, depending which bit of the Help file you're reading.

z>> (A or B or (C and D and (E or F)))?

>> The  problem I see here is getting AND and OR to work in a *single*
>> expression. How does one do that? Is it possible to write the above
>> as a single, one-line expression?

JA>  As far as I know, no.  In a *single* string set, you could only do the
JA>  C and D and (E or F).  See my example in a previous post to this
JA>  thread.

Absolutely.  ZTrader  -  Januk's  example  was *crystal* clear on this
point.

>> The suggeston for implementing this split up the parts into simple
>> strings that could be entered as AND's or OR's. If one has an
>> expression that needs an AND or an OR *within* the string,

JA>  Just be careful here.  You can not have a single string that says
JA>  something like,

JA>  (Tom or Jane) Doe

JA>  Instead you would need to break it up into either

JA>   Tom|Jane AND Doe
JA>  or
JA>   Tom Doe|Jane Doe

... which could end up as [Tom Doe]|[Jane Doe].

>> it seems critical to have exactly the right characters ['",etc to
>> make it work. I am trying to understand how to include these chrs
>> correctly so it works.

JA>  See above.

..  or  refer  to  the  "Help"  references on 'Using special syntax in
signal strings'.

For  the  sake  of  clarity,  here  is  some of the help text with the
salient points underlined:

Pipe   character   “|”  means  that  signal  string  contains  two
alternatives. For example, string John|Jack means that search will
  ^
be  successful  if  John  or  Jack  (or both) will be found in the
specified location.

Square  brackets  [  ]  mean  that  text  embraced by them must be
searched  as  a  phrase. i.e. search for [Jack] will be successful
for  sentence  “Jack is a good man”, but not for “ Jackson guitars
are very good for beginners”.

Text   embraced   in   quotation  marks  is  case-sensitive,  i.e.
“Internet”  will be found in the sentence “The Internet is growing
very rapidly” but not in “InTeRnEt RuLeZ”

The  text  containing  special characters mentioned above, must be
   ^^^
embraced  in  single quotes, like this: ‘["New" generation mailing
^^^
list]’

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Re: Problem Importing from Unix Mailbox

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Monday, August 28, 2000, 11:33:14 AM, Ming-Li wrote:

> Hi Keith,

>>   In keeping with my determination to finally "clean up" after
>>   several months of familiarizing myself with all the ins and outs
>>   of TB, I decided to export several months' worth of Becky!
>>   messages and import them into TB.

> Congratulation! I also tried out Becky and decided on TB, and have
> not for a minute regretted it.

Thanks, Ming-Li. I actually switched some time ago. I started trying
out Becky in May of last year, I think. A couple of months later, I
downloaded The Bat and used both, off and on, for several months as I compared
them.

I finally registered TB last Christmas, but never found the time to
import all my Becky messages.

Coincidentally, in doing a search this morning for "Becky" (hoping to
find some export/import help), I came across some messages you posted
in June about TB's lack of true CJK/DBCS support. I think I missed
that thread at the time, because I don't remember it. Thomas, John De
Hoog (where are you, John?), and I (and others) had discussed some of
these problems at length several months earlier, and it was this
(along with TB's poor threading) that resulted in my waiting several
months to register.

These two issues have still not been resolved, and I really have my
fingers crossed waiting for version 2.

>>   However, 3 messages (all from the same sender) have no bodies.
>>   The headers specify:

>>   Content-Type: multipart/mixed
>>   Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

>>   There is no boundary specification.

>>   When I look at the exported file, the body is there. In The Bat!,
>>   there is no body and no attachment.

> If I understand you correctly, the messages are listed on the
> message list but are without bodies, right? I didn't run into this
> when I tried to export some messages from Becky to TB, but I would
> suggest you to save those messages (in Becky) as .eml or .msg files
> (they're the same format with different extension names) and import
> them as such.

Because I assumed that msg format wasn't standard and wouldn't work
well, I hadn't tried this. On your suggestion, I did so--i.e., in
Becky Export, I unchecked "Unix standard mailbox" and gave the file a
.msg extension. In looking at the file, I couldn't immediately see a
difference from the Unix mailbox-formatted file, but I imported it
into TB anyway.

The result was the same as before. I then decided to try with a single
message, rather than several messages in a single file. I exported one
of the problem messages in both Unix and .msg format, then imported
both files into TB. Again, no body, although I could clearly see the
body in both exported text files!

I can only assume that there is something nonstandard about the
message headers, but what?

Thanks for the reply.

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Re: Spam filter strings?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello ztrader,


On  Monday, August 28, 2000  at  07:40:48 GMT -0700 (which was 7:40 AM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:

> For a simple OR function, would we have:

> '[str A]|[str B]'

 I think you may be getting confused here.  You don't need the
 apostrophes or the square brackets.  Just type your strings in.  This
 is why I think the | method for ORing to strings can be ambiguous.

> is it OK to put spaces outside brackets as:

> ' [str A] | [str B] '

 I'm not sure about the spaces.  Again, this is another reason I find
 the | method to be ambiguous.

> (I understand the ' chr is needed - true?)

 False.

z>> This might be the best example to show how complex notation goes in
z>> TB:
z> (A or B or (C and D and (E or F)))?

> The problem I see here is getting AND and OR to work in a *single*
> expression. How does one do that? Is it possible to write the above as
> a single, one-line expression?

 As far as I know, no.  In a *single* string set, you could only do the
 C and D and (E or F).  See my example in a previous post to this
 thread.

> The suggeston for implementing this split up the parts into simple
> strings that could be entered as AND's or OR's. If one has an
> expression that needs an AND or an OR *within* the string,

 Just be careful here.  You can not have a single string that says
 something like,

 (Tom or Jane) Doe

 Instead you would need to break it up into either

  Tom|Jane AND Doe
 or
  Tom Doe|Jane Doe

> it seems critical to have exactly the right characters ['",etc to
> make it work. I am trying to understand how to include these chrs
> correctly so it works.

 See above.

> Also, I see a box marked "Regular expressions" in the "options"
> section. Does this have to be checked to get any complex expressions
> to work?

 Nope.  Regular expressions are complex, but they are much different
 than the "simple" search strings you've been looking for.


 


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Re: Problem Importing from Unix Mailbox

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:33:14 -0700, Ming-Li wrote:

>>   When I look at the exported file, the body is there. In The Bat!,
>>   there is no body and no attachment.

ML> If I understand you correctly, the messages are listed on the
ML> message list but are without bodies, right? I didn't run into this
ML> when I tried to export some messages from Becky to TB, but I would
ML> suggest you to save those messages (in Becky) as .eml or .msg files
ML> (they're the same format with different extension names) and import
ML> them as such.

It could be that the blank line between the kludges and the message body
is not there and the message body is assumed to be a part of the
kludges. If you toggle the message header display and see the message
body then this is likely what has occurred. Opening the exported file in
a text editor and inserting the blank line may be all that's needed.

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Re: Configuration Transfers - TB POOR

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi dsig,

On 28 August 2000 at 10:21:17 GMT + (which was 11:21 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Configuration Transfers - TB POOR":

dtc> But it is insanity to store this type of information in the
dtc> registry. THE ONLY THING that should be stored in the registry is
dtc> TB and its associated files (if any).

Agreed and often stated on these lists.

dtc> This weekend I paid for this evaluation copy of TB and then
dtc> sunday night on the way out I copied over the directories (as I
dtc> would in any normal program) BUT the licensing information must
dtc> be stored in the registry as now I have a outdated TB. If this is
dtc> the type of poor design under the hood what else waits?

That  position  doesn't  add  up.  Yes,  it  is not necessarily a good
implementation  decision  to  use registry instead of CFG/INI files to
hold  configuration  data and that is an often stated criticism. It is
also  a  criticism  I  completely agree with. That doesn't mean that a
whole  raft  of problems awaits "under the hood".

It  is  a  just few second's work to dump the TB registry key (there's
only  one  structure)  with an "Export" command from within regedit or
even  to set up a batch file to do it. It is even less work to execute
the .reg file to re-instate the settings on another system.

dtc> Although Eudora has a rash of problems .. hell rash .. outright
dtc> leprosy .. at least all changes are kept within its boundries.

dtc> Not sure that as a road warrior TB will work .

Sure it will:

>> If you're up to it, you could have exported the registry subkey for
>> TB!, backed up the TB! directory and account directories.

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Re: Problem Importing from Unix Mailbox

[Ming-Li]

Hi Keith,

>   In keeping with my determination to finally "clean up" after
>   several months of familiarizing myself with all the ins and outs
>   of TB, I decided to export several months' worth of Becky!
>   messages and import them into TB.

Congratulation! I also tried out Becky and decided on TB, and have
not for a minute regretted it.

>   However, 3 messages (all from the same sender) have no bodies.
>   The headers specify:

>   Content-Type: multipart/mixed
>   Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

>   There is no boundary specification.

>   When I look at the exported file, the body is there. In The Bat!,
>   there is no body and no attachment.

If I understand you correctly, the messages are listed on the
message list but are without bodies, right? I didn't run into this
when I tried to export some messages from Becky to TB, but I would
suggest you to save those messages (in Becky) as .eml or .msg files
(they're the same format with different extension names) and import
them as such.

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Re: Configuration Transfers - TB POOR

[dsig]

But it is insanity to store this type of information in the registry.  THE ONLY
THING that should be stored in the registry is TB and its associated files (if
any).

This weekend I paid for this evaluation copy of TB and then sunday night on the
way out I copied over the directories (as I would in any normal program) BUT the
licensing information must be stored in the registry as now I have a outdated
TB.  If this is the type of poor design under the hood what else waits?

Although Eudora has a rash of problems .. hell rash .. outright leprosy .. at
least all changes are kept within its boundries.

Not sure that as a road warrior TB will work .

DSig



> If you're up to it, you could have exported the registry subkey for TB!,
> backed up the TB! directory and account directories. When the machine is
> hosed, simply restore the whole jebanks. It would be as if nothing had
> happened. I'm using the same installation through three clean OS
> installs and have never had the privilege of using 
> to restore lost folders etc. :-)
> 
> If you restore TB! to a new location, ie, partition/directory then
> you'll have to tailor the relevant registry entry paths to reflect this.
> If you're comfortable with TB!'s registry entries then this is a lot
> easier than re-configuring the new installation. If you're not up to
> dealing with the registry then  it is followed by
> user interface reconfiguration.
> 

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Re: Can The Bat! be added to the "Send To" menu in Word?

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Hello Christian Dysthe !


On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:29:01 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was 28.08.2000, 18:29 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:

CD> Hello TBUDL,

CD>   does anyone know if it is possible to have The Bat! added to the
CD>   "Send To" menu in Word (2000)?

CD>   TIA


I have a WORD-Macro which was written by Aljoscha Rittner of the German TheBat!
group that saves the Word-document and opens a new mail with the document as an
attachment. I don't know whether it is ok for Word 2k.

Interested ?


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Re: Can The Bat! be added to the "Send To" menu in Word?

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Monday, August 28, 2000, Christian Dysthe wrote:

>   does anyone know if it is possible to have The Bat! added to the
>   "Send To" menu in Word (2000)?

I think, this will be possible, when will be MAPI implemented. Stefan
told, Simple MAPI support will be implemented in incoming beta of 1.46
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Can The Bat! be added to the "Send To" menu in Word?

[Christian Dysthe]

Hello TBUDL,

  does anyone know if it is possible to have The Bat! added to the
  "Send To" menu in Word (2000)?

  TIA

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Re: Configuration Transfers - TB POOR

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:48:15 -0500, Gary wrote:

G> I had a similar situation. I am running VMWare guest with Windows in
G> a Linux (host) environment. I copied my TB! into the new Windows 98
G> guest OS, from my W2K OS (on another HD), and then just copied all
G> the subdirectories with it. My entire TB! directory in other words
G> was copied to the new OS. I did nothing to the registry, nor did I
G> officially install TB! in the new OS.

G> Then to get the accounts to show up in TB!, press Shift+Ctrl+Alt+L to
G> recover lost folders and messages. I then set up TB! by each account
G> name that I had previously, and all the folders with email is
G> automatically there - just by putting the account names into the new
G> TB!. Works like a charm. Then just start TB!. All cookie files,
G> filters, and other attributes are intact into the new OS, as you had
G> them previously.

If you're up to it, you could have exported the registry subkey for TB!,
backed up the TB! directory and account directories. When the machine is
hosed, simply restore the whole jebanks. It would be as if nothing had
happened. I'm using the same installation through three clean OS
installs and have never had the privilege of using 
to restore lost folders etc. :-)

If you restore TB! to a new location, ie, partition/directory then
you'll have to tailor the relevant registry entry paths to reflect this.
If you're comfortable with TB!'s registry entries then this is a lot
easier than re-configuring the new installation. If you're not up to
dealing with the registry then  it is followed by
user interface reconfiguration.

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Problem Importing from Unix Mailbox

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

  In keeping with my determination to finally "clean up" after several
  months of familiarizing myself with all the ins and outs of TB, I
  decided to export several months' worth of Becky! messages and
  import them into TB.

  My first test involved 19 messages. I exported them in Unix format
  and then imported them to TB. Most of them appear to have come
  across perfectly.

  However, 3 messages (all from the same sender) have no bodies. The
  headers specify:

  Content-Type: multipart/mixed
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

  There is no boundary specification.

  When I look at the exported file, the body is there. In The Bat!,
  there is no body and no attachment.

  Can anyone tell me how to make this work right?

  Thanks.

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Re: Configuration Transfers

[A . Curtis Martin]

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:22:11 -0600, Keith Russell wrote:

KR> On the other hand, if I simply just copy over the three files I
KR> mentioned, is there a chance that there might be a conflict between
KR> their contents and the registry settings? I guess that might be a
KR> concern.

There shouldn't be a problem here because you'd be doing what a lot of
users do to move there installation to another machine, i.e., copy the
mail account folder over to the other machine. Install TB! on the other
machine, point the account configuration to the copied account folders
location and the do a  to create the directory
structure.

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Re[2]: Configuration Transfers - TB POOR

[Gary]

Hi dsig,

 On Monday, August 28, 2000, 2:59 AM, you wrote in part about
 "Configuration Transfers - TB POOR":

d> With Eudora, on the weekend I could simply drag/drop my 'email'
d> folder onto my desktop and POW .. it knew everything there was to
d> know.  Or if a machine got hosed .. load the os, load eudora from
d> disk and copy the 'email' directory from server and POW .. once
d> again eudora was up to date.

d> Here I find it 'virtually' impossible to use TB in any kind of
d> dynamic environment.  If all things are stored in the repository
d> (WHICH IS THE WEAKEST LINK IN WINDOWS) then I can see no way to
d> make this work.

I had a similar situation.  I am running VMWare guest with Windows in
a Linux (host) environment.  I copied my TB! into the new Windows 98
guest OS, from my W2K OS (on another HD), and then just copied all the
subdirectories with it. My entire TB! directory in other words was
copied to the new OS.  I did nothing to the registry, nor did I
officially install TB! in the new OS.

Then to get the accounts to show up in TB!, press Shift+Ctrl+Alt+L to
recover lost folders and messages.  I then set up TB! by each account
name that I had previously, and all the folders with email is
automatically there - just by putting the account names into the new
TB!.  Works like a charm. Then just start TB!. All cookie files,
filters, and other attributes are intact into the new OS, as you had
them previously.

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Re[3]: Spam filter strings?

[ztrader]

Thanks for the examples of implementation. Actually, I was interested
in seeing the notation used in the strings placed in TB.

For a simple OR function, would we have:

'[str A]|[str B]'

is it OK to put spaces outside brackets as:

' [str A] | [str B] '

(I understand the ' chr is needed - true?)

z> This might be the best example to show how complex notation goes in
z> TB:
z (A or B or (C and D and (E or F)))?

The problem I see here is getting AND and OR to work in a *single*
expression. How does one do that? Is it possible to write the above as
a single, one-line expression?

z> And this is good to show how multiple rules are made to interact:
ML>> A or B or (C and D and E) or (C and D and F)
ML>> and use four rule sets (1 primary plus 3 alternatives) to do it.

The suggeston for implementing this split up the parts into simple
strings that could be entered as AND's or OR's. If one has an
expression that needs an AND or an OR *within* the string, it seems
critical to have exactly the right characters ['",etc to make it work.
I am trying to understand how to include these chrs correctly so it
works.

Also, I see a box marked "Regular expressions" in the "options"
section. Does this have to be checked to get any complex expressions
to work?

I hope this is a bit more clear than my last note :-).

Thanks to all,

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Re: Configuration Transfers - TB POOR

[dsig]

We have been 'evaluating' TB and purchased our first license.  

Although I feel that it is superior to Eudora (which I have used since it came
out) I must say that this storage of information makes TB very weak at best.

I am a 'road warrior' developer/consultant.  My machine (our machines) have a
tendency to get hosed during development phases or changing clients/projects
etc.

When I get to the office on the weekend I want to copy my messages from my
laptop to my desktop.  When our systems get hosed we want to load up the OS and
the load the couple of programs we use all the time.

With Eudora, on the weekend I could simply drag/drop my 'email' folder onto my
desktop and POW .. it knew everything there was to know.  Or if a machine got
hosed .. load the os, load eudora from disk and copy the 'email' directory from
server and POW .. once again eudora was up to date.

Here I find it 'virtually' impossible to use TB in any kind of dynamic
environment.  If all things are stored in the repository (WHICH IS THE WEAKEST
LINK IN WINDOWS) then I can see no way to make this work.

I Really hope that I am wrong and the someone will pop up here and say .. man ..
it is really easy .. just press this button ...

PLEASE .. good information is needed.

Thanks

DSig

 


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 28.08.00:
> > Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.
> 
> 
> 
> >   Can anyone see any problems with my just copying account.cfg,
> >   account.flx, and account.srx into the account directory?
> 
> Yes, because the configuration is saved in the registry. You have to export
all RIT entries in the registry @home and to import them @work. Furthermore you
have to modify some entries due to the fact that you have different folder names
on the two systems. I'm not sure what to do if you already have a setup @work
with mails stored on that system. I doubt that you may import your
home-setup-registry without causing some trouble (Please correct me someone if
I'm wrong) !
> 
> > 
> >   The only problem I have been able to think of would be if my work PC
> >   has a folder that my home PC doesn't. In that case, I don't know
> >   what would happen to the messages in that folder.
> > 
> >   Assuming that I make sure this isn't the case first, do you
> >   foresee any other problems?
> 
> 
> Cheers Gerd Ewald 
> (written @work, no TB! available, sorry !)
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Re[2]: Configuration Transfers

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Sunday, August 27, 2000, 11:34:52 PM, Gerd wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 28.08.00:
>> Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

> 

>>   Can anyone see any problems with my just copying account.cfg,
>>   account.flx, and account.srx into the account directory?

> Yes, because the configuration is saved in the registry. You have to export all RIT 
>entries in the registry @home and to import them @work. Furthermore you have to 
>modify some entries due to the
> fact that you have different folder names on the two systems.. I'm not sure what to 
>do if you already have a setup @work with mails stored on that system. I doubt that 
>you may import your
> home-setup-registry without causing some trouble (Please correct me someone if I'm 
>wrong) !

Good point. I guess I need to clarify. When I said "configuration", I
was referring to account and folder configuration: such things as
folder names and organization, templates, and filters.

Yes, such things as directory paths, fonts, etc., are stored in the
registry, but I'm not too concerned about them matching up in the two
locations--especially since many of these settings are going to be
machine specific.

On the other hand, if I simply just copy over the three files I
mentioned, is there a chance that there might be a conflict between
their contents and the registry settings? I guess that might be a
concern.

Thanks for the reply, Gerd!

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Re: Configuration Transfers

[tracer]

Hello Keith Russell,
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:44:28 -0600 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, August 28, 2000, 10:44:28 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Keith Russell wrote:


> Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

>   I'm tired of duplicating my setup in two different places, so I
>   would like to copy my home configuration to my PC at work.

>   Can anyone see any problems with my just copying account.cfg,
>   account.flx, and account.srx into the account directory?

>   The only problem I have been able to think of would be if my work PC
>   has a folder that my home PC doesn't. In that case, I don't know
>   what would happen to the messages in that folder.

Nothing but you wouldnt see it  and may have to make a new account
with whatever name etc..

Best way I think is copy it all over.
reinstall in that directory so it fixes the registry etc
try and recreate any missing accounts..

>   Assuming that I make sure this isn't the case first, do you
>   foresee any other problems?

>   Thanks.



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