Re: ISP limits number of recipients to 10...
Hello syv other fellow TB! Users, Saturday, December 02, 2000, you stated in reference to Randy's problem: RB My problem is that my ISP will not allow messages with more than RB 10 recipients. And my having expressed the point of view: DH As you mention, the problem is w/ the ISP. TB! can't anticipate this DH uncommon (and idiotic) rule on their part. There are no other ISPs DH there? s Many ISP will not relay mail with more than 5 or 10 recipients. To which Tom answered: TF 10 is a very low number. I think 100 is more common. Also TF That's a rather low figure. I often have more than 5 or 10 TF recipients in company emails. I also receive suchmails, but very TF rately from USA. Is that a new trend with ISP's in the US? Have TF they been used by spammers so much that they start to get TF paranoid and overdo the limiting of recipients to this degree? s Yes, TB is responsible for dealing with it. It's a fact of s life. s What I am looking for is either as a macro or a built-in feature, s you hilight 10 names and it will create 10 messages. Given the authoritarian and capricious attitude / policy of the ISP mentioned that severely limits the paying user's right to make full (and normal) use of his account, plus the sad tendency in the US to accept (and even justify) such treatment (a known cultural problem); I consider both of my suggestions to be good solutions. IMO, if the ISP insists on continuing w/ this idiotic policy, preparing a number of address book groups containing 10 members each would be easier the selecting 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 ad nauseum from a single big list each time one wants to send messages to a group larger than 10. What TB does is make it easy to create new address book groups, and you can either copy or move the highlighted messages to the new group. That is a real solution to a real problem, which may well be solvable also via either of the alternative options. (BTW: 1:- I'm a US citizen and have dealt with US ISPs. 2).- I recently had to do as I suggested and the problem WAS corrected by the US ISP, with whom I have 3 accounts. 3).- In this small Mexican town there are at least 4 ISPs. I use 2 - one's a back up. 4).- Each TB! user has his or her own wish list is free to make those known both to TBUDL and the developers themselves but divergent opinions regarding TB! design priorities are common. 5).- It's also not uncommon for TB! users from the US to question email client design paradigms that differ from the vision of Bill Gates. However, this tends to change w/ time. I for one am very happy to see that interest in TB! has increased in the US. I'd also like to see of couple standard windows commands supported - i.e. Ctrl+down arrow for moving between paragraphs and be able to use Ctrl+X to change the order of mail folders, as well as Crtl+C to copy filters to separate accounts. But tolerance and the free expression of well thought ideas are essential to the lists being a valuable support to TB! users. DH -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Corrupted attachments
Hello, I'm a registered user of The Bat!. I use the program every day at work and I usually send about 10 - 15 attachments (Word documents) in a day. The problem is that many people reply to my mail and comlain that they cannot open the Word documents I have sent to them. When I check my "sent mail" folder and try to open the sent attachment from there then I cannot open it either! I even tried to save the file from the sent email back to my hard disk and it didnt open from there either. I found out that the attatched file is a few kilobytes smaller than the actual file should be (for example the last file I sent was supposed to be 70KB but after sending it was only 55KB). If I send the file again, then it's ok. It happens randomly. I really cannot use The Bat! like this anymore because the problem is quite frequent. I think that this is a bug in The Bat! I have tried both the 1.47 version and the 1.48 Beta versions and the problem is still there. Any suggestions? -- Best regards, Ville mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: ISP limits number of recipients to 10...
Hi there Douglas, Going back 00:54 03.12.2000. when you uttered the following thoughts: Alternatively, you could threaten the ISP, telling it that you intend to email the complaint departments of PCWorld and the ZD magazines with your modern day email horror story. Tell them you pay for the service and expect a FULL service, not a capricious and partial poor excuse for one. Try it! (Why take their BS submissively)? Hey, calm down. Such things *are* company policy. Do you know what a spammer is? DH Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Going to church does not make a person religious, nor does going to school make a person educated, any more than going to a garage makes a person a car. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Corrupted attachments
On 03-12-2000 at 11:57:16GMT +0200 (which was 9:57 where I live) Ville Vels wrote regarding the subject of "Corrupted attachments" VV Hello, VV I'm a registered user of The Bat!. I use the program every day at work VV and I usually send about 10 - 15 attachments (Word documents) in a VV day. The problem is that many people reply to my mail and comlain that VV they cannot open the Word documents I have sent to them. When I check my VV "sent mail" folder and try to open the sent attachment from there then VV I cannot open it either! I even tried to save the file from the sent VV email back to my hard disk and it didnt open from there either. I VV found out that the attatched file is a few kilobytes smaller than the VV actual file should be (for example the last file I sent was supposed VV to be 70KB but after sending it was only 55KB). If I send the file VV again, then it's ok. It happens randomly. I really cannot use The Bat! VV like this anymore because the problem is quite frequent. I think that VV this is a bug in The Bat! I have tried both the 1.47 version and the VV 1.48 Beta versions and the problem is still there. Any suggestions? Hello Ville, I cannot confirm this. Though I don't send attachments as frequently as you do, I never had a problem so far ( at least it hasn't been brought to my attention). Regards -- Manfred Ell using TheBat 1.48 Beta/9 on Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 SAFE SEX, the next best thing to being there. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Corrupted attachments
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Ville Vels ! On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:57:16 +0200 GMT your local time, which was 03.12.2000, 10:57 (GMT+0100) where I live, you wrote: [...] The problem is that many people reply to my mail and comlain that they cannot open the Word documents I have sent to them. When I check my "sent mail" folder and try to open the sent attachment from there then I cannot open it either! [...] It's not really an answer I send, but an idea: when I attach files, I usually take the option MIME-coded. What happens to files that are attached using the option "Quoted-printable" or "UU-encoded"? Could this cause an incompatibility with others? Ville, did you by chance use one of these options to send your attachments? - -- Best regards, Gerd == Using The Bat! Version 1.48 Beta/8 PGP-Keys on request mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_key - You can't have everything; where would you put it? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for authentication purposes ! Gerd Ewald iQA/AwUBOiohhEy/sHrVbGGHEQLfigCg+M5JqcXOdQGjnsEgKTlVUkfytjEAnRCH g48tION9vCSe2W3hp6Qwc3gx =dcwE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Re[2]: Corrupted attachments
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Joseph Then wrote: I have been using The Bat! to send my Word attachment for a long time and have not met with any problems yet. Vels, you should follow Gerd's suggestion. I set mine to "No changes". Maybe you could check that out. If the above fails, here's my suggestion: Get another PC and install the same version. If it works for that machine, it means that you may have a setting that caused the problem and it is best to reinstall(wipe the old program CLEAN) your original PC. Good grief!! That sounds a bit drastic If it still won't work... Hmm... anyone else has a suggestion? Firstly update your virus patterns, there is a small chance that some Word Macro virus could be at work. Second send yourself an attachment from another MUA, see if that is OK when received in TB! and your alternate MUA. When you attach a file you should see an *increase* in the overall size by about 30%, I use base64 for attachments and have never experienced a problem with TB! -- Mark Aston http://www.gunfleet.com http://www.gunfleet.com/LinuxGuide -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Corrupted attachments
Hello Ville, On Sunday, December 03, 2000 @ 11:57:16 +0200, you wrote the following about "Corrupted attachments" Ville I'm a registered user of The Bat!. I use the program every day Ville at work and I usually send about 10 - 15 attachments (Word Ville documents) in a day. The problem is that many people reply to Ville my mail and comlain that they cannot open the Word documents I Ville have sent to them. [...] After reading your msg, I created a test eMail dragged a Word.doc onto the eMail window (thus creating an attachment). I sent the test msg to myself. When it arrived I opened the Word.doc w/o any trouble. I have not added any special settings for this process I'm happy to check my settings if that will help you. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: ISP limits number of recipients to 10...
Hi Thomas, On Sunday, December 03, 2000, 12:28:45 PM, you wrote to the list: RB My problem is that my ISP will not allow messages with more than RB 10 recipients. TF They do this to avoid spam, Correct. TF although 10 is a very low number. I think 100 is more common. Correct again, 100 is RFC recommend; and for another reason : to save bandwith and CPU resources. From MTA POV, receiving lot of messages in one stream consume CPU Resources and Winsock Buffer (TCP/IP socket). That's why making such restriction is common. I made same restriction for my Mail Server, but I put around 30 or so (not remember precisely, I am at home now). My ISP also make this kind of restriction, so when my Mail Server relay through his MTA, I have to set my Mail Server to send around 25 in every batch. RB Is there any way to set up TB! to know this and automatically RB break such messages up into multiple mailings that fit that rule? TF No, and this should also not be introduced, as it would make TB TF the ultimate spammer tool. We don't want this image. Sorry, I tend to support this feature for a wish list -- Best regards, Syafrilmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: LDAP Address books
Saturday, December 02, 2000, 12:16:57 PM, you wrote: He set it all up as he thought and it refused to connect. The LDAP server in question is that of Exchange Server. He is a computer expert although he can be said to be overly logical at times and, thus, an expert in breaking anomalous software g. Maybe he uses the wrong login. It should be: cn=username,cn=DOMAIN Only the username as login won't work. For me, the connecting works, but I cannot get any search results (I know the entry is there, because I can get it with a LDAP browser...) Hendrik Lipka -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Two E-Mails with one account?
Hi! Is there a way that I can assign more than one e-mail to one account? This way I could have The Bat fetch my mail from several e-mail addresses and sort them in the same folders using the same filter options. -- Best regards, Alexander mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Two E-Mails with one account?
Hallo Alexander, On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:58:14 +0100 GMT (03/12/2000, 22:58 +0800 GMT), Alexander Turcic wrote: AT Is there a way that I can assign more than one e-mail to one account? AT This way I could have The Bat fetch my mail from several e-mail AT addresses and sort them in the same folders using the same filter AT options. "one email address" and "one account" are synonymous in TB. You can, however, filter into folders across accounts. I have a friend who sends messages to me sometimes to one account (email address A), sometimes to the other (email address B). In any case, his mails end up in and the same folder, which is located in account B, and from there I reply. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. When I'm not in my right mind, my left mind gets pretty crowded. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48 Beta/9 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Two E-Mails with one account?
On Sunday, December 03, 2000, 6:58:14 AM, Alexander wrote: Is there a way that I can assign more than one e-mail to one account? This way I could have The Bat fetch my mail from several e-mail addresses and sort them in the same folders using the same filter options. It's a FAQ and FRF (frequently requested feature). The answer is no, not at this moment. There's a workaround, though. After setting up your other email addresses as secondary accounts, add one single Incoming messages filter to them that redirect all mail to your main account. Then remember to check the "Allow local delivery" option in "Options | Network and Administration", which would deliver the redirected mail "locally" (basically by moving messages to the Inbox of the main account). Since they're "received" by the main account (it's technically redirected, not moved), so the filters of the main account would apply. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/9 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: ISP limits number of recipients to 10...
On Saturday, December 02, 2000, 4:58:49 PM, syv wrote: What I am looking for is either as a macro or a built-in feature, you hilight 10 names and it will create 10 messages. A new featured introduced in 1.48 beta 9 is doing just that. Please be patient. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.48 Beta/9 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions (about manual QT hotkey)
Hello The Bat! developers, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.48 Beta/9 Serial Number 8645E6FE under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1. There are some features I would like to see in your program: Ok, I've been patiently waiting for the re-definable keyboard promised for v2. But v2 seems nowhere in sight, and I desperately need this: Please, pretty please, allow me to use another hotkey for manual QT application! Or, alternatively, please allow me to turn off the manual QT feature when composing messages. Please! Ctrl-space is in Chinese Windows reserved to toggle on/off Chinese IME (input method extension). It's a key combination that I've been used to for more than 15 years (yes, dating back to DOS era, with third-party add-on Chinese sub-system for DOS). Regards, Ming-Li -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Corrupted attachments
Hallo Ming-Li, On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 07:20:48 -0800 GMT (03/12/2000, 23:20 +0800 GMT), Ming-Li wrote: ML Please make sure the files are closed (though I'm not sure it's ML relevant) when TB are doing the job. Could be. I recall printing errors when printing attachments out of TB while they were open in Word at the same time. -- Cheers, Thomas. In a Paris hotel elevator: Please leave your values at the front desk. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48 Beta/9 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Corrupted attachments
On 03-12-2000 at 11:57:16GMT +0200 (which was 9:57 where I live) Ville Vels wrote regarding the subject of "Corrupted attachments" VV Hello, VV I'm a registered user of The Bat!. I use the program every day at work VV and I usually send about 10 - 15 attachments (Word documents) in a VV day. The problem is that many people reply to my mail and comlain that VV they cannot open the Word documents I have sent to them. When I check my VV "sent mail" folder and try to open the sent attachment from there then VV I cannot open it either! I even tried to save the file from the sent VV email back to my hard disk and it didnt open from there either. I VV found out that the attatched file is a few kilobytes smaller than the VV actual file should be (for example the last file I sent was supposed VV to be 70KB but after sending it was only 55KB). If I send the file VV again, then it's ok. It happens randomly. I really cannot use The Bat! VV like this anymore because the problem is quite frequent. I think that VV this is a bug in The Bat! I have tried both the 1.47 version and the VV 1.48 Beta versions and the problem is still there. Any suggestions? Hello Ville, each word attachment, which is included via "utilties-attach_files-quoted printable" becomes corrupted. So maybe this is the reason for your problems. And I wonder if this a bug. Regards -- Manfred Ell using TheBat 1.48 Beta/9 on Windows 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1, RC 1.1 Quid pro quack: Something for a phoney. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: shortcut key
Sunday, December 03, 2000, 2:51:28 PM, you wrote: On Saturday, December 02, 2000, 3:19:03 PM, Chris wrote: I have to use a few mouse movements, or a keyboard dance to get ALL messages to show. While I support the suggestion that some of TB's features would be more useful if they can be folder specific and sticky, I don't know why you need a "keyboard dance" to recover the "All messages" view. I would think a single ESC is enough. Am I missing something? Err slight poetic licence exaggeration on my part, being as clumsy with a keyboard as I tend to be hitting the CORRECT key can be a "dance" though. Getting back to another view is more involved though, and I still want to see this added :-) -- Best regards, Chris Wilson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.formula3.freeserve.co.uk -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Which header line sets Created date/time?
I'm getting some strange "Created" dates (in 2026) for a few messages, and would like to know which header field sets this date. If I save the message as an .mbx file it does not seem to have this date anywhere. Sure messes up the sorting :-). Thanks, ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Corrupted attachments
Hallo Gerd, On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:37:56 +0100 GMT (04/12/2000, 00:37 +0800 GMT), Gerd Ewald wrote: GE I tried all three possibilties and tested it with open files. I created a GE word-doc which was already saved on hd and opened it in word. I sent four GE mails to my second account using different ways of attaching. GE b) DOC-File opened tmp-version attached as MIME: unreadable, only fragments GE of text. I am not sure the tmp-version is supposed to yield positive results. GE c) DOC-File (not opened tmp-version) attached as quoted-printable: GE unreadable, not compatible I think here we got it: quoted-printable doesn't seem to work for .doc attachments (and maybe other non-ASCII). Ville Vels, (original poster): have you set quoted-printable? If so, does your error persist when you switch to something else? -- Cheers, Thomas. -Money can't buy happiness but it can certainly rent it for a couple of hours. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.48 Beta/9 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Which header line sets Created date/time?
It's not just me?! That happened to me when I exported some messages to mbox and reimported them. I've just kinda shrugged and accepted it for now. - M Sunday, December 03, 2000, 11:54:36 AM, you wrote: z I'm getting some strange "Created" dates (in 2026) for a few messages, z and would like to know which header field sets this date. If I save z the message as an .mbx file it does not seem to have this date z anywhere. Sure messes up the sorting :-). z Thanks, z ztrader -- Best regards, Michaelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! question
Hello Tamas, please send your messages to the list, not to me directly. Thanks. :-) By default, TB will quote the original message. If it doesn't, there is something wrong with your templates. I hand the ball to TBUDL. On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:31:34 +0100 GMT (04/12/2000, 01:31 +0800 GMT), Tamas Rakonczay wrote: TR Hi Thomas! TR I looked and looked at The Bat!'s (v1.45) features, but could not find TR one that I used in Pegasus Mail. I would like the text of the email I TR am replying to to appear in my message box... you know with the Is TR there a way to do this? Please help me! TR Warm regards, TR Tamas Rakonczay -- Cheers, Thomasmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm using The Bat! 1.48 Beta/9 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 with a Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! question
Hello Tamas, On Sunday, December 03, 2000 @ 01:37:38 +0800, you wrote the following about "The Bat! question" TR [...] I would like the text of the email I am replying to to TR appear in my message box... you know with the Is there a way TR to do this? [...] From the menu, goto Account - properties (SFT-CTL-P) click on "+" next to templates click "reply" Under "Sender Information used in Quotations" click "none" Unless you override with a QT, your default template will include "" before each line of the email you are replying to. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Using TB! to scan Digest Mode
Hello TBUDL, I recieve TBUDL in Digest Mode. If I want to go directly to a specific topic, can I do that in TB! or is it just the way the Digest Mode is? For instance, I have the following digest: Special Issue (#2000-325) - Topics This Issue: 1) "Re" in templates 2) "Re" in templates 3) "Re" in templates 4) Corrupted attachments 5) Mass Mailing 6) Re[2]: "Re" in templates 7) Re[2]: "Re" in templates 8) Mass Mailing 9) be careful with the Mass mailing feature 10) "Re" in templates and I want to go directly to topic #9 without scrolling through #'s 1-8, can and how do I do that? -- Regards, Ron Using TB! 1.48 Beta/9 Under Windows 98 4.10 A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: ISP limits number of recipients to 10...
Hello Johannes other fellow TB! Users, Sunday, December 03, 2000, you stated in relation to my legitimate suggestion: Alternatively, you could threaten the ISP, telling it that you intend to email the complaint departments of PCWorld and the ZD magazines with your modern day email horror story. Tell them you pay for the service and expect a FULL service, not a capricious and partial poor excuse for one. Try it! (Why take their BS submissively)? JMP Hey, calm down. I am perfectly calm, but perhaps a bit more alert. JMP Such things *are* company policy. That's exactly the company's problem. JMP Do you know what a spammer is? Yes, do you? Can you count to 10? Do it strike you as a decent number of CCs? Does YOUR ISP do that? And reply off list if you care to. You have contributed nothing towards solving the problem (as Thomas, Syafril Ming Li did) and either do so or take it off TBUDL. Your opeinion is related to me, not the issue, it's a personal matter and for TBUDL either reply constructively or refrain from posting. Otherwise, this horse is now dead. My suggestion was meant to be taken or leaven at face value by the party who asked for help. It's worked for me and I meant every word or it. DH -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Two E-Mails with one account?
Hello Ming-Li, On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 at 07:27:41 GMT -0800 (which was 7:27 AM where I live) witnesses say Ming-Li typed: There's a workaround, though. After setting up your other email addresses as secondary accounts, add one single Incoming messages filter to them that redirect all mail to your main account. Then remember to check the "Allow local delivery" option in "Options | Network and Administration", which would deliver the redirected mail "locally" (basically by moving messages to the Inbox of the main account). Since they're "received" by the main account (it's technically redirected, not moved), so the filters of the main account would apply. The negative is that you do destroy some of the information (mostly header info). What about mime forwarding yourself the message? Maybe with an appropriate template we could get the filter to trigger and maintain the message integrity... I haven't explored this in any detail, it's just food for thought. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.48 Beta/9 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a PIII 550MHz with 192 MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Using TB! to scan Digest Mode
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ron, On 03 December 2000 at 13:58:25 -0500 (which was 18:58 where I live) Ron Secord wrote and made these points: snip RS and I want to go directly to topic #9 without scrolling through RS #'s 1-8, can and how do I do that? Sorry to say that there's no way of doing that. The digests we issue from TBUDL are just a simple text stream. Only by saving the digest, editing the saved message to conform to a unix mailbox format and then importing it as a unix mailbox can you hope to have that kind of independent access to the individual messages. OTOH, switch back to normal mode if it's a real problem to you. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Consultant Software Engineer ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: http://www.silverstones.com/MarckPGP.asc ] How do I set a laser printer to stun? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOiqhtTnkJKuSnc2gEQLRaQCeKoehKzNHa2b3EvuuWal+MxgUi80Anj+I bUdHpnwZfgh7ei+SMIr2TYOd =2y6w -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: ISP limits number of recipients to 10...
Hi there Douglas, Going back 20:29 03.12.2000. when you uttered the following thoughts: That's exactly the company's problem. "We don't care. We don't have to. We're the Phone Company". Reminds you of something? Yes, do you? Can you count to 10? Do it strike you as a decent number of CCs? Does YOUR ISP do that? No, my ISP server has a specific setup (RADIUS limiting you to 100 mails a day, 1000 mails a month, default SMTP server even REWRITES the From:-Line you where sending, if you dont like this, you have to sign a contract that lets you use a special smtprelay!) Nevertheless, all bigger ISPs (UUnet, Arcor Germany, Ecore just to name a few) have the same limit on recipients. And reply off list if you care to. You have contributed nothing towards solving the problem (as Thomas, Syafril Ming Li did) and either do so or take it off TBUDL. Your opeinion is related to me, not the issue, it's a personal matter and for TBUDL either reply constructively or refrain from posting. Otherwise, this horse is now dead. I don't agree on this one, sorry. The question was to add a "feature" to TB. Personally I *don't* want to see TB supporting this! Remember when mails from Pegasus Mail were DELETED because some people thought it was a SPAMMER tool? Hey, they just killed everything that had a X-Mailer of Pegasus! Dave Harris had to release a version w/o X-Mailer. IMHO it is perfectly on-topic, I'm im mistaken a *moderator* shall tell this. Thanks. DH Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- /earth is 98% full ... please delete anyone you can. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
No Subject
Dear TBUDL, How do I get the TB 8 beta or TB 9 beta versions.? I downloaded the TB 9 beta version but all I got is a *.rar file. how do you install it?? I haven/t got any associations with rar files in my Win PC. What about the 8 beta . How do I get it. -- Regards, Krishna Gopalan }:-) x Oracle DBA email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +91-4368-26989 URL : http://www.krishna-gopalan.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Krishna, On Sunday, December 03, 2000, 11:19:05 PM, you wrote: KG Dear TBUDL, KG How do I get the TB 8 beta or TB 9 beta versions.? KG I downloaded the TB 9 beta version but all I got is a *.rar file. how do you install it?? I haven/t got any associations with rar files in my Win PC. What about the 8 beta . How do I get it. Really this should have gone to the beta list ... If you have a *.rar file then you have the beta in a compressed format. It is like a *.zip file but it has been compressed to a smaller size than is possible with PKZip or WinZip. To decompress the file you need a program like WinRAR, RAR or UnRAR. You can get these from http://www.rarsoft/net. The first two are shareware, the third is freeware. Just un-rar the file you already have and over-write any version you already have on your PC. If you don't already have The Bat! installed then you will need the last release version as well (1.47) which should be installed first. Hope that helps. - -- Best regards, Paulmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [The Bat! 1.48 Beta/9] [PGP Key ID: 0x3A11C042] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOirY+yDffic6EcBCEQJ6RgCgpQ/xOeIWfFmb3bxeYi1QOb2P4Q4AoOXk mvZgUfbNIiE5LdQ4IKGQd5AM =lx9v -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: ISP limits number of recipients to 10...
Hello Johannes other fellow TB! Users, Sunday, December 03, 2000, you stated: ... Does YOUR ISP do that? JMP No, my ISP server has a specific setup (RADIUS limiting you to 100 JMP mails a day, 1000 mails a month, default SMTP server even REWRITES the JMP From:-Line you where sending, if you dont like this, you have to sign JMP a contract that lets you use a special smtprelay!) JMP Nevertheless, all bigger ISPs (UUnet, Arcor Germany, Ecore just JMP to name a few) have the same limit on recipients. gmx also? And reply off list if you care to. JMP I don't agree on this one, sorry. ... IMHO it is perfectly JMP on-topic, I'm im mistaken a *moderator* shall tell this. JMP Thanks. OK. The horse rides on. What follows is an "Examination of Spam the Spammer": The name "Spam" originated as a cheap, canned lunch meat containing parts of dead animals not generally sold separately; that is, parts generally discarded, waste parts that were not normally even by those who do aliment themselves with foodstuffs of a dead animal origin. It's flavor was considered unattractive by most, but it was cheap and therefore used primarily by the poor. As applied to email, the term "Spam" implies unsolicited correspondence, usually of a commercial nature: That is, either a sales pitch or a lure to what will soon be one. Visitors to web sites that place cookies or outright ask for email address are often later subjected to Spam, as a result. However, the bulk of what's considered Spam is driven by special technologies designed to filter through the POP3 servers that supply incoming email to entire domains, WITHOUT being actually directed to each individual email account owner. List servers such as that used by TBUDL send single messages to a large number of email accounts, but this is not considered Spamming, even though many opinions expressed in such forums is often not agreeable by all list members, since all voluntarily subscribed to the list. This is why mailing lists frequently confirm subscriptions by return mail before actually initiating service. Another example is exemplified by a recent email message sent to me by an Emeritus Professor at the University of Hawaii as a member of a group he chairs that forms part of the International Horticultural Science Society's Sub-Commission on Tropical for Subtropical Fruits. In it he asked us all to check the list and notify him if any names were missing. The list contained 195 names and email addresses all together (made visible of course using shft+ctrl+k) and was not sent by a list server. We can conclude that a person who sends a single message to a group of people using a specific email address for each contained in an email client's address book (Eudora Version 4.3.1 in this case), is by no stretch of the imagination "spamming". However, not all ISPs are born equal, and some are much better than others. Some take measures ostensibly designed to "protect" their clients that actually perform a disservice. When that happens, this can be considered "stupid" on the part of the ISP. The Spanish term often employed for describing such goings on is "pendejada" and the term often used to describe those who do this is "culero". Both terms refer to parts of the human anatomy that are not generally exposed publicly. An important part of what I do professionally can be considered "policy making", which is driven by a desire for and belief in the benefits accrued by having foresight, being considerate and providing the greatest possibly degree of security to all those involved so that each can be efficient and able fulfill his or her obligations, thus fortifying the implementation of said policies. When we accomplish is, we find we are successful in reaching our overall goals and all concerned benefit. Another important part of what I do professionally can be considered "policy breaking", which is also driven by a desire for and belief in the benefits accrued by having foresight, being considerate and providing the greatest possibly degree of security to all those involved. When we have to we to accomplish this, we find that by doing so, the possibilities for all of us being successful in reaching our overall goals are increased. IOW, there are times when one must say: Basta con estos Pendejadas. Complacency and subservience are often inappropriate. But then, I eat at least 3 different kinds of hot chili peppers daily. I think that about does it. Best regards, Douglas Hinds -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Using TB! to scan Digest Mode
Hello Marck other fellow TB! Users, Sunday, December 03, 2000, you stated RELATIVE TO Ron's saying: RS and I want to go directly to topic #9 without scrolling through RS #'s 1-8, can and how do I do that? MDP Sorry to say that there's no way of doing that. The digests we issue MDP from TBUDL are just a simple text stream. You mean the TBUDL digest isn't indexed? If so, I strongly suggest listing the subject headers (maybe w/ the from header) at the beginning. Would that be difficult?. A digest that lacks this is far worse than separate messages and practically useless, IMO. (BTW, this was implemented after I asked for it from one list server group and it sure made things easier. However, now I tend to filter each list to it's own folder - no digest). Obviously, you do a ctrl+f after copying a header you want to see. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: ISP limits number of recipients to 10...
Hello Douglas, On Sunday, December 03, 2000 @ 18:10:46 -0600, you wrote the following about "ISP limits number of recipients to 10..." Douglas An important part of what I do professionally can be Douglas considered "policy making" [...], Another important part of Douglas what I do professionally can be considered "policy Douglas breaking"[..] which begs the question: what do you do, Douglas? Inquiring minds want to know. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! 1.47 Halloween Edition PGP ID: 0x4C9CDF9D -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: ISP limits number of recipients to 10...
Hello Jan other fellow TB! Users, Sunday, December 03, 2000, Jan asked: JR what do you do, Douglas? JR Inquiring minds want to know. Briefly, CeDeCoR is a non-profit NGO dedicated to supporting sustainable development in Mexico (a country whose elections are cleaner than those in the US) working with organized groups of low income farmers, mainly; in projects that have social value and have be designed and overseen from beginning end. We have to deal with a lot of bureaucrats and corporate mentality if we didn't cut through it when necessary, nothing would ever get done. I've always been able to do that, and perhaps it helps even more to be in a place where changes are coming fast and furiously. How about you? Douglas Hinds, Dir. Gral. - CeDeCoR, A.C. Centro para el Desarrollo Comunitario y Rural, Asociacion Civil (Center for Rural and Community Development, a non-profit organization) Cordoba, Veracruz; Loma Bonita, Oaxaca; Cd. Guzman, Jalisco, San Luis Potosi and Tamazunchale, San Luis Potosi, Reynosa, Tamaulipas U.S. Fax Mailbox (email linked) + 1 630 300 0555 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Using TB! to scan Digest Mode
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Douglas, On 04 December 2000 at 18:28:35 -0600 (which was 00:28 where I live) Douglas Hinds wrote and made these points: MDP Sorry to say that there's no way of doing that. The digests we issue MDP from TBUDL are just a simple text stream. DH You mean the TBUDL digest isn't indexed? It is not :-(. Actually, to be fair, one cannot "index" a digest unless it is HTML, and I think most present know what I personally think of HTML mail. The only thing that could be done to improve a plain text digest AFAIK is to use MIME digest format. TB handles these well by offering a virtual folder in which to browse the digest as individual messages. DH If so, I strongly suggest listing the subject headers (maybe w/ DH the from header) at the beginning. Would that be difficult?. Not merely difficult... impossible with the current release of the server engine we use. It is on the manufacturers wish-list to improve the digest aspects of the list server software. DH A digest that lacks this is far worse than separate messages and DH practically useless, IMO. IMO too. Hey - I don't advocate digest mode g. It's there - that's all I'm saying :-). - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Consultant Software Engineer ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: http://www.silverstones.com/MarckPGP.asc ] A mouse is just an elephant built by the Japanese -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOiryUTnkJKuSnc2gEQLfGQCg/PQCBRBVs3UlVHzaZb3VJoFXt60AnRfq YzlAESWbmOgtBFOodFxaxkU/ =y6g5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: ISP limits number of recipients to 10...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Douglas, On 04 December 2000 at 18:10:46 -0600 (which was 00:10 where I live) Douglas Hinds wrote and made these points: snip DH However, not all ISPs are born equal ... describing such goings on DH is "***" and the term often used to describe those who do this DH is "". Both terms refer to parts of the human anatomy that are DH not generally exposed publicly. snip I don't speak the language myself but your explanation of these terms reveals that, were they translated to English, the words I have censored above would almost certainly be considered "bad". Douglas, you've been a member here long enough to know that it is against the list rules to use profanity. 'Nuff said? As for the topic, I agree with you entirely that spammers do not use standard ISP mail routing to spread their trash and any ISP that limits recipients for standard account subscribers is ill-advised if not lying. The truth is normally that the ISP in question only has limited bandwidth and has to pay for the traffic passing out of their system. The real reasons are financial and the nonsense about spammers is just a smoke screen for the fact that they are short-changing their customers. Spam nearly always emanates from open relays, and rarely comes from simple end-user accounts. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Consultant Software Engineer ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: http://www.silverstones.com/MarckPGP.asc ] Baby's bib: "Spit happens" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOir1QznkJKuSnc2gEQLV1QCgqtd2INjVSzdxVPo0XHjQ03mLT8EAoJqu yMulQfoY5ZAbSOaQy1nftgAw =H7dh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Which header line sets Created date/time?
On 03-12-2000 at 18:15, Michael P. Wilson kindly wrote: Sunday, December 03, 2000, 11:54:36 AM, you wrote: z I'm getting some strange "Created" dates (in 2026) for a few messages, z and would like to know which header field sets this date. If I save z the message as an .mbx file it does not seem to have this date z anywhere. Sure messes up the sorting :-). It's not just me?! That happened to me when I exported some messages to mbox and reimported them. I've just kinda shrugged and accepted it for now. Me too. I imported lots of messages (unix style) from Eudora, and in quite a number of messages I saw the creation date changed to the time of importing, not to the actual creation time - and nothing in the headers indicated this new, faulty creation date. Do we have a bug? - K - -- Hier gibt es keine harmlosen Worte alle viel zu gross - Einstürzende Neubauten: Die Interimsliebenden -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Bug: Tab keys
Hi TBUDL, I'm using The Bat! Version 1.47 Halloween Edition Serial Number 395DAEBD under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 and would like to report a bug The bug description: Tab key does not cycle through the 3 panes when the message is in HTML. Only folders and message list. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ REAL PROBLEMS / REAL SOLUTION ISSN: 1492-7829 A free weekly newsletter on Windows and networking email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.911networks.com Copyright 1999-2000 by 911networks.com - All Rights Reserved +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
