Re: TB! V1.53 Beta/11 - virus warning

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Marck,

On Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 8:29:12 PM you wrote:

MDP> Early versions of TB could be fooled by this under some
MDP> circumstance (I can't recall exactly what they were)

I think the point were CR/LF in the filename ... this way TB! did not show the
last extension ... But don't nail me on this ... it's only from my remeberance
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Re: open smtp severs

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello andrew,

On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 23:13:19 +0100 (Tue, 05 Jun 00:13:19 in Copenhagen)
you wrote:

> Ok let's say that i set-up a [EMAIL PROTECTED] account to get
> access to the smtp server. Can I then use that SMTP server to send
> mail from domains which I already have accounts for (ie.
> mydomain.co.uk as seperate account)?

Yes!

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Re: only body text?

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On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 17:50:15 +0700, Jos graced us with these comments:

JF> How do I set up the template so that I get the normal > without a
JF> name?

You can do it at the account level by going into the account properties
and going to the templates tab. Hit the reply template and you'll see the
choice of reply prefixes that you can use.

At the folder or address book template level you can disable the name
using the macro %Quotestyle="NONE".

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only body text?

[Jos Flachs]

Hi all,

What do I have to do to get only the text quoted, with the regular >
sign?
Using %quotes or %text will either quote the whole text, with the
name of the sender before the >, or only place the text un-quoted.

How do I set up the template so that I get the normal > without a
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Re[3]: open smtp severs

[andrew]

Hi andrew,

thanks for you help tim it worked. I found finding a service which
offered smtp access a bit tricky but eventually found
http://www.crosswinds.net which I post incase anyone else needs that
kind of service.

but once again thanks for the tip, I configures the bat to
authenticate for smtp and it worked like a dream ;-)

Andrew

Monday, June 04, 2001, 11:13:19 PM, you wrote:

a> Hi Tim,

a> thanks for the mail, let's see if i understand it ;-)

a> Monday, June 04, 2001, 9:07:56 PM, you wrote:

TM>> Hey andrew,

TM>> Sunday, June 03, 2001, 5:05:50 PM, you wrote:

a>>> Does anyone know of a free email service that has smtp and allows use
a>>> by different domains to it's own

TM>> I use MyRealBox.com, but you could probably use most(?) others...

TM>> I check the "Perform SMTP Authentication (RFC 2553)" in Account
TM>> Properties \ Transport \ SMTP Server "Authentication" and am able to
TM>> have my from and reply to address be an account in whatever DNS domain
TM>> I want.

a> Ok let's say that i set-up a [EMAIL PROTECTED] account to get
a> access to the smtp server. Can I then use that SMTP server to send
a> mail from domains which I already have accounts for (ie.
a> mydomain.co.uk as seperate account)? In this way the pop3 address I
a> already have for each account but with this smtp from myrealbox I can
a> send the mails from these accounts?

a> I could further perfrom smtp auth, which would prob ask for my
a> myrealbox username and password. But once that's been given I should
a> be able to pass through mails from the other domains.

TM>> I believe smpt servers don't allow relaying (which is what you are
TM>> referring to) as a minor spam prevention scheme.  I know when I ran a
TM>> large mail system, I had to front end it with sendmail because the
TM>> smtp gateway for the mail system handled relaying by fully receiving
TM>> the msg, then rejecting it.  To auto testers that indicated that it
TM>> would relay... 

a> Is the above relaying? You're saying this is how you stopped people
a> doing it. I can see how this could be abused by spammers.

a> I'm only in this position because my host company only gives me pop3,
a> supposedly I can use smtp from other providers (which I can from one
a> other account I have but it's not very reliable) hence why I'm looking
a> for better smtp.

a> Anyway thanks for your thoughts.

a> Andrew





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Re: ALT+L

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Silviu,
On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, at 19:35:53 +0300 you wrote:

SC> Or at least a switch for those who like to do that manually
SC> (if there's such a person :) )

Oh yes, there is. Usually I go through the quotes, cut out
unnecessary things and reformat the paragraphs before I put in my
reply. And yes, I do it manually and I prefer it this way.

SC> I agree with Nick, bad design, must be changed.

It could be made an option, but not on by default. The way it is
it still prevents some people from writing OE style replies, with
the reply right above the quotes, without trimming.

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Re[2]: open smtp severs

[andrew]

Hi Tim,

thanks for the mail, let's see if i understand it ;-)

Monday, June 04, 2001, 9:07:56 PM, you wrote:

TM> Hey andrew,

TM> Sunday, June 03, 2001, 5:05:50 PM, you wrote:

a>> Does anyone know of a free email service that has smtp and allows use
a>> by different domains to it's own

TM> I use MyRealBox.com, but you could probably use most(?) others...

TM> I check the "Perform SMTP Authentication (RFC 2553)" in Account
TM> Properties \ Transport \ SMTP Server "Authentication" and am able to
TM> have my from and reply to address be an account in whatever DNS domain
TM> I want.

Ok let's say that i set-up a [EMAIL PROTECTED] account to get
access to the smtp server. Can I then use that SMTP server to send
mail from domains which I already have accounts for (ie.
mydomain.co.uk as seperate account)? In this way the pop3 address I
already have for each account but with this smtp from myrealbox I can
send the mails from these accounts?

I could further perfrom smtp auth, which would prob ask for my
myrealbox username and password. But once that's been given I should
be able to pass through mails from the other domains.

TM> I believe smpt servers don't allow relaying (which is what you are
TM> referring to) as a minor spam prevention scheme.  I know when I ran a
TM> large mail system, I had to front end it with sendmail because the
TM> smtp gateway for the mail system handled relaying by fully receiving
TM> the msg, then rejecting it.  To auto testers that indicated that it
TM> would relay... 

Is the above relaying? You're saying this is how you stopped people
doing it. I can see how this could be abused by spammers.

I'm only in this position because my host company only gives me pop3,
supposedly I can use smtp from other providers (which I can from one
other account I have but it's not very reliable) hence why I'm looking
for better smtp.

Anyway thanks for your thoughts.

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Re: open smtp severs

[Tim Musson]

Hey andrew,

Sunday, June 03, 2001, 5:05:50 PM, you wrote:

a> Does anyone know of a free email service that has smtp and allows use
a> by different domains to it's own

I use MyRealBox.com, but you could probably use most(?) others...

I check the "Perform SMTP Authentication (RFC 2553)" in Account
Properties \ Transport \ SMTP Server "Authentication" and am able to
have my from and reply to address be an account in whatever DNS domain
I want.

I believe smpt servers don't allow relaying (which is what you are
referring to) as a minor spam prevention scheme.  I know when I ran a
large mail system, I had to front end it with sendmail because the
smtp gateway for the mail system handled relaying by fully receiving
the msg, then rejecting it.  To auto testers that indicated that it
would relay... 

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Re: ALT+L

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Monday, June 04, 2001, 7:08:50 PM, Nick Andriash wrote:

> Unfortunately, the %Wrapped="%Quotes" Macro combination only
> works on the first paragraph. I agree with the originator that
> TB! should alter the behaviour and reformat all quoted
> paragraphs if possible.

Or at least a switch for those who like to do that manually (if
there's such a person :) )

I agree with Nick, bad design, must be changed.

A work-around this would be to use the editor window always
maximized, but then what if someone gets in the mood to wrap
text at column >=100 ?! I don't want to use a wide screen TV to
read e-mail eh.


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open smtp severs

[andrew]

Hi thebat,

I have an smtp server with one my isp it's the only one of several I
use that allows me to send mails from domains other than the ISP's if
you see what I mean and I have several domains. Trouble is it's not
very reliable.

Does anyone know of a free email service that has smtp and allows use
by different domains to it's own (and doesn't and it's ads to your
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Re: ALT+L

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On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 02:08:51 +0800, Thomas thoughtfully wrote the
following:

CB>>  What about adding a new Macro, ie. %WrapAll="%Quotes" ??

T> I think the %Wrapped macro should wrap all. What is the purpose of
T> wrapping only the first paragraph? I think it was an just oversight
T> when the macro was created.

This is because of the design of the editor.

The reason why you can't reformat multiple paragraphs *at the same time*
while editing a message, is the same reason why you cannot do it with the
macro. Remember that it's the same editor's functionality that's being
invoked through the macro. This editor doesn't use soft returns *at all*.
Therefore, the only way to differentiate between two paragraphs is the
separation of the paragraphs by a blank line when doing reformats. If you
select all paragraphs *together* then the all paragraphs will be wrapped
into one huge paragraph. If you take this away, then you have to take away
the editors ability to reflow quoted material the way it does.

You may ask then, what's the use of the macro? Well, it's exceedingly
useful for wrapping text output comprising a single paragraph/line of text
such as introductions, disclaimers, cookies, etc.

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Re: ALT+L

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On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:35:10 -0400, Miles graced us with these comments:

MJ> Yes. This "feature" is really annoying and is probably affecting the
MJ> vast majority of TB users, EXCEPT the gentle "computer code meisters" on
MJ> this list who evidently do understand and use these myriads of
MJ> unfriendly "regex," templates-in-dire-need-of-plain-English-translation
MJ> (read "wizard" that would guide the user to making PROPER decisions in
MJ> using the software) and other bizarroid things and are willing to help
MJ> us poor humans.

MJ> Yes, TB seems very powerful, but what's the point if we can't use that
MJ> power? 

ROTFL!!!

But at least understanding the method behind the apparent madness helps.

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Odd directory behavior

[Nick Danger]

Here was a first for me...

I suddenly had all my TB mail directories get duplicated with .000
extensions. I had to unistall TB and reinstall to get it fixed.
Luckily I do back up often!

Anybody see this phenomenon before?

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Re: ALT+L

[Thomas]

Hello Chema,

On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 19:10:26 +0200 GMT (05/06/2001, 01:10 +0800 GMT),
Chema Berian wrote:

NA>> Unfortunately, the %Wrapped="%Quotes" Macro combination only works
NA>> on  the  first  paragraph.  I  agree  with the originator that TB!
NA>> should  alter  the behaviour and reformat all quoted paragraphs if
NA>> possible.

CB>  What about adding a new Macro, ie. %WrapAll="%Quotes" ??

I think the %Wrapped macro should wrap all. What is the purpose of
wrapping only the first paragraph? I think it was an just oversight
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Re[2]: ALT+L

[Miles Johnson]

No, I think I would classify that as a bad design decision, because
properly wrapped quoted text does not change the interpretation of that
text... only the appearance.

Could not agree more!

Unfortunately, the %Wrapped="%Quotes" Macro combination only works on the
first paragraph. I agree with the originator that TB! should alter the
behaviour and reformat all quoted paragraphs if possible.

Yes. This "feature" is really annoying and is probably affecting the
vast majority of TB users, EXCEPT the gentle "computer code meisters" on
this list who evidently do understand and use these myriads of
unfriendly "regex," templates-in-dire-need-of-plain-English-translation
(read "wizard" that would guide the user to making PROPER decisions in
using the software) and other bizarroid things and are willing to help
us poor humans.

Yes, TB seems very powerful, but what's the point if we can't use that
power? 

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Re: ALT+L

[Nick Andriash]

On Monday June 4, 2001 at 10:10:26 AM, Chema Berian wrote:

>  What about adding a new Macro, ie. %WrapAll="%Quotes" ??

Whatever it would take. ;o)

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Re: ALT+L

[Chema Berian]

Hello Listers, 

On  Mon,  4 Jun 2001, at 09:08:50 [GMT -0700] (which was 18:08 where I
live) Nick wrote:

NA> Unfortunately, the %Wrapped="%Quotes" Macro combination only works
NA> on  the  first  paragraph.  I  agree  with the originator that TB!
NA> should  alter  the behaviour and reformat all quoted paragraphs if
NA> possible.

 What about adding a new Macro, ie. %WrapAll="%Quotes" ??

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Re[2]: ALT+L

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Monday, June 04, 2001, 11:08:50 AM, Nick Andriash wrote:

jg>>> When I reply I want The Bat! automatically wrap and left align
jg>>> the quoted text. This must be possible and should be normal
jg>>> behaviour? It almost like a bug.

>> No, it's not a bug. It's a design decision. As you said it
>> yourself, the text is quoted. And IIRC, that means 'not changed'.

> No, I think I would classify that as a bad design decision, because
> properly wrapped quoted text does not change the interpretation of that
> text... only the appearance.

> Unfortunately, the %Wrapped="%Quotes" Macro combination only works on the
> first paragraph. I agree with the originator that TB! should alter the
> behaviour and reformat all quoted paragraphs if possible.

Right.  If you don't reformat, the recipient is likely to end up with
something that looks like this

>abc def ghi jkl mno qrs tuv wzy zzz abc def ghi jkl mno qrs tuv wzy
zzz abc
>def ghi jkl mno qrs tuv wzy zzzabc def ghi jkl mno qrs tuv wzy
zzz


instead of how it should look

>abc def ghi jkl mno qrs tuv wzy zzzabc def ghi jkl mno qrs tuv wzy
>zzzabc def ghi jkl mno qrs tuv wzy zzzabc def ghi jkl mno qrs tuv wzy
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Re: ALT+L

[Nick Andriash]

On Monday June 4, 2001 at 8:00:16 AM, Lars Geiger wrote:

jg>> When I reply I want The Bat! automatically wrap and left align the
jg>> quoted text. This must be possible and should be normal behaviour? It
jg>> almost like a bug.

> No, it's not a bug. It's a design decision. As you said it
> yourself, the text is quoted. And IIRC, that means 'not changed'.

No, I think I would classify that as a bad design decision, because
properly wrapped quoted text does not change the interpretation of that
text... only the appearance.

Unfortunately, the %Wrapped="%Quotes" Macro combination only works on the
first paragraph. I agree with the originator that TB! should alter the
behaviour and reformat all quoted paragraphs if possible.

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Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions - Saving display filtering preferences

[Lija]

Hello Nick,

On Sun, 3 Jun 2001, at 09:39:05 [GMT -0700, your local time]
(3.6.2001 at 18:39 was my local time), you wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

NA> Why don't you just set up a Filter for Stef's mail, and colour code it?

I did for some senders, that also work well, but I still think the feature I
proposed should be implemented... as many others too. :)

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Re: ALT+L

[Lars Geiger]

Hi jsvrp.gw,
On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, at 16:36:29 +0200 you wrote:

jg> When replying to a message the quoted text is not wrapped.
jg> This means that I must go to the paragraph and click ALT+L. I
jg> use auto-format, auto-wrap, but not justify on autowrap.

jg> When I reply I want The Bat! automatically wrap and left
jg> align the quoted text. This must be possible and should be
jg> normal behaviour? It almost like a bug.

No, it's not a bug. It's a design decision. As you said it
yourself, the text is quoted. And IIRC, that means 'not changed'.

The quick work-around would be to adjust your reply template and
put %cursor *before* %quotes. Now you can go through the text,
from top to bottom, reformat every paragraph, answer it and cut
out unnecessary parts. That way you can combine reformatting the
quotes with answering. BTW, that's exactly what I did with your
post to get rid of the indent you use :-)

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Re: ALT+L

[Thomas]

Hello jsvrp.gw,

On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:36:29 +0200 GMT (04/06/2001, 22:36 +0800 GMT),
jsvrp.gw wrote:

jg>   When I reply I want The Bat! automatically wrap and left align the
jg>   quoted text. This must be possible and should be normal behaviour?
jg>   It almost like a bug.

jg>   Does someone have some input or even a quick workaround?

If the original text is only one line, use

%Wrapped="%Quotes"

in your reply macro, instead of just %Quotes.

If the original mail is more than one line (several long lines, as I
also keep getting from Novell Groupwise mailers), only the first line
will be wrapped though :-( . Wait for the %Wrapped marco to work for
multiple lines. It doesn't do that yet, but we hope it will soon.

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ALT+L

[jsvrp.gw]

Hello,

  I'm getting nuts about this.

  I know this is discussed earlier, but my question is a little but
  different.

  When replying to a message the quoted text is not wrapped. This
  means that I must go to the paragraph and click ALT+L. I use
  auto-format, auto-wrap, but not justify on autowrap.

  When I reply I want The Bat! automatically wrap and left align the
  quoted text. This must be possible and should be normal behaviour?
  It almost like a bug.

  Does someone have some input or even a quick workaround?

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Re: A filter for mail from a Form

[David Elliott]

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Dear Alberto

On 04 June 2001 at 12:43:20 +0200 (which was 11:43 where I live) Alberto
Almagioni thoughtfully wrote the following

> I'm receiving from a form this kind of mail

< ... >

> In this form there is a field with the email address and I need to
> create a filter that send an automatic mail to this address. How can i
> do this?

(1) Find a way of filtering them automatically. I suggest into a folder to
start with.

(2) In that filter create an action 'Create a message for' and put your
email address in it.

(3) in the template alongside 'Create a message for' put in the following

==8<=
%text

%TO=""%To="%SETPATTREGEXP='(?U-i)^email:\s?(\S+@(\S+\.)+\S+)[\s\n]'%REGEXPBLINDMATCH='%text'%SUBPATT='1'"
==8<=

I think that might work. I give no promise for the regex.

HTH


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A filter for mail from a Form

[Alberto Almagioni]

I'm receiving from a form this kind of mail

> Testo=
>  
> Data Richiesta: 17052001 
> Codice Richiesta: 406
> Codice Premio: 256
> Nome Premio: Sprova
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Nome: Francesca
> Cognome: Rossi
> Tel: 0612345678
> Località: Roma
> Prov: Rm 
> Indirizzo: Via Poma
> Civico: 7
> CAP: 00100

In this form there is a field with the email address and I need to
create a filter that send an automatic mail to this address. How can i
do this?




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