Re: 1.53bis: Bug - Sending mail problem

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Dwight!

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 11:14:09 PM you wrote:

> there is some discussion after that in a thread called RC/4, and I
> believe there is also some discussion before that time about the
> behavior of Ctrl-Enter

But that behaviour was what I suspected - and that's why I used it. It
just didn't work yesterday, killing a long and important message. In
the moment I again use the mouse instead of the shortcut.



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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Dwight!

On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 7:29:39 AM you wrote:

> I just hit the button for this reply, and answered no on the save
> question.  My concern had been that saying not to save would result
> in loss of the message.  When I didn't save, it was in the outbox
> without being marked as a draft, so maybe this behavior is not so
> unreasonable as I thought, although still doesn't seem logical.  I am
> going to post this, then  try penning another reply after turning
> auto-save back off.

> first, I'm back, because this time, even though I said no, don't save,
> the message was still marked as a draft in the out box.

So, now we are two who have this behaviour. And let me add, just now I
had the same problem with the toolbar button "Send deferred". It seems
to come up every second send.

I will now send a bug report directly to RITLabs.



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Re: The Bat! v1.53 now released.

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Hello Allie!

On Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 2:48:07 AM you wrote:

> [*] Prompt to keep the message when a new message was automatically saved
> and then abandoned

This definitely works. But why on earth does + trigger
it? This shortcut should send my message instead of asking to save it.



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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

[Thomas F]

Hi Nick,

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:48:38 -0700GMT (14/06/2001, 12:48 +0800GMT),
Nick Andriash wrote:

>> I get a dialogue box asking if I want to save the message. When I answer
>> yes, the message ends up in the outbox, but it is marked as parked (or
>> whatever one calls the outbox equivalent).

>> This doesn't seem right.

NA> It does if you wanted the message saved, instead of being sent.

No. If you wanted to save it as draft, you would have clicked the icon
"save draft" and not "put letter in outbox".

I am greatly annoyed by this additional unwanted and unnecessary
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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

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On June 13, 2001, at 11:07:27 PM, Dwight A Corrin wrote:

> Whether it should be saved depends on what you mean by saved.  I don't
> think it should be discarded, I think it should be put in the outbox
> ready for deferred delivery.

If you have Auto-Save enabled, then upon reaching the time specified in
your Settings, the message will have been saved. If you have "Immediate"
specified for Sending, then the message will be sent, but no copy will be
saved. If you have "Deferred" specified, then it is my understanding that
the message will be saved (as per Auto-Save function if enabled), but will
not remain as such once the message has been successfully sent off.

> Looking at all this, one question which I now have is what is the
> difference between 'save' and 'save draft'?

I don't believe there is a difference. If there is, I certainly don't see
where. If I construct a message, hitting "Save Draft" will immediately
close and park the message in the Outbox. Hitting "Save" allows you to
close/exit the message you are working on, yet a copy remains, parked, in
the Outbox. Both methods result in the same thing... a parked message.


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Connection Center problem with HTML messages.

[David Stone]

Hello,

I had a problem when I installed 1.52x with the connection center. I
noticed that with some accounts the cc would come up,download the
message and the cc would stay connected with the status bar fully
'lit'.

I could not close the cc or hence TheBat! other than by using
ctl-alt-del and ending the task. I noticed that any message that had
downloaded this way would not show as read (after 1 sec with my option
set) and double clicking would open an empty window even though the
size of the message indicated some text in it. They were only a small
size and the download size had not been reached.

So I returned to ver 1.51 whereupon the messages would download fully.

When ver 1.53 was installed it ran for 5 or 10 minutes and but then
exhibited the same problems together with a couple of 'access
violation 00690650 Read of address 212635E' messages.
I even recreated a new account with a new name but the same problem
occurred.

So I returned to ver 1.51 and downloaded those errant messages. This
time I looked at the messages and noticed they were HTML messages.
Under ver 1.51 I have display HTML turned off but can obviously view
an HTML message by clicking on the tab in the message pane.

I think something changed with HTML messages from ver 1.51
and I need to do something different. (It *has* to be me!!! :)  )

Any suggestions anyone please.



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Re[2]: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Thursday, June 14, 2001, 12:41:36 AM, Nick Andriash wrote:

> It should all depend on the time interval between Saves. Sounds like
> the time it took you to construct the Reply, the time interval had
> elapsed, so TB! saved the message. I agree though that when you
> specifically say "No" to saving the message, the message should not
> be saved, regardless whether you have Auto-Save enabled or not.

Whether it should be saved depends on what you mean by saved.  I don't
think it should be discarded, I think it should be put in the outbox
ready for deferred delivery. Looking at all this, one question which I
now have is what is the difference between 'save' and 'save draft'?

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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

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On June 13, 2001, at 10:29:39 PM, Dwight A Corrin wrote:

> first, I'm back, because this time, even though I said no, don't save,
> the message was still marked as a draft in the out box.

It should all depend on the time interval between Saves. Sounds like the
time it took you to construct the Reply, the time interval had elapsed, so
TB! saved the message. I agree though that when you specifically say "No"
to saving the message, the message should not be saved, regardless whether
you have Auto-Save enabled or not.


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Re[2]: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 11:48:38 PM, Nick Andriash wrote:


>> I get a dialogue box asking if I want to save the message. When I answer
>> yes, the message ends up in the outbox, but it is marked as parked (or
>> whatever one calls the outbox equivalent).

>> This doesn't seem right.

> It does if you wanted the message saved, instead of being sent. The
> question I have is why you were asked if you wanted it saved in the first
> place if all you did was hit the "Put Letter in Outbox" button. Do you
> have Auto-Save enabled? What about Sending: Immediate or deferred?

not autosave is off.  I still get the same question.  I'm sure that
never happened to me before.

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Re[2]: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 11:48:38 PM, Nick Andriash wrote:

>> I get a dialogue box asking if I want to save the message. When I
>> answer yes, the message ends up in the outbox, but it is marked as
>> parked (or whatever one calls the outbox equivalent).

>> This doesn't seem right.

> It does if you wanted the message saved, instead of being sent. The
> question I have is why you were asked if you wanted it saved in the first
> place if all you did was hit the "Put Letter in Outbox" button. Do you
> have Auto-Save enabled? What about Sending: Immediate or deferred?

enabled, deferred

I just hit the button for this reply, and answered no on the save
question.  My concern had been that saying not to save would result
in loss of the message.  When I didn't save, it was in the outbox
without being marked as a draft, so maybe this behavior is not so
unreasonable as I thought, although still doesn't seem logical.  I am
going to post this, then  try penning another reply after turning
auto-save back off.

first, I'm back, because this time, even though I said no, don't save,
the message was still marked as a draft in the out box.

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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

[Nick Andriash]

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On June 13, 2001, at 9:29:31 PM, Dwight A Corrin wrote:

> I get a dialogue box asking if I want to save the message. When I answer
> yes, the message ends up in the outbox, but it is marked as parked (or
> whatever one calls the outbox equivalent).

> This doesn't seem right.

It does if you wanted the message saved, instead of being sent. The
question I have is why you were asked if you wanted it saved in the first
place if all you did was hit the "Put Letter in Outbox" button. Do you
have Auto-Save enabled? What about Sending: Immediate or deferred?

> (by the way I still don't know what the modified flag is)

If you begin a new message, look down at the very bottom left hand side...
on the status bar. The second rectangular box from the left will read as
"Modified" when constructing the message. If you save the message, then
re-open it, the "Modified" tag disappears, but re-appears if you *modify*
the message.

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strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

[Dwight A Corrin]

The last couple of messages I have composed (which corresponds at
least approximately to my moving from 1.53 to 1.53bis and also my
activation of autosave) when I have hit the Put Letter in Outbox
button, instead of that happening I get a dialogue box asking if I
want to save the message. When I answer yes, the message ends up in
the outbox, but it is marked as parked (or whatever one calls the
outbox equivalent).

This doesn't seem right.

(by the way I still don't know what the modified flag is)

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Re[2]: Sending message w/attachment

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 10:55:12 PM, Melissa wrote:


> I apologize if my query to the list bothered you.  ;-)

> Melissa

I didn't mean to sound testy. That is just the way it hit me when I
read the message.

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Re: Sending message w/attachment

[Melissa]

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On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, at 8:42:46 PM PDT, Dwight A Corrin wrote:

DAC> My question is why ask the list instead of the addressee whether or
DAC> not the file arrived?

Hello Dwight,

At the time it happened, I did send an email to the recipient asking if it
arrived. That was a while ago, and since I didn't hear from her right away
(I was pretty sure she was online at the time), I did wonder if she even
received my follow up. I just now - almost two hours later - received
confirmation from her that it did arrive just fine.

I apologize if my query to the list bothered you.  ;-)

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Re: Sending message w/attachment

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:31:33 -0700, Nick wrote these comments:
...
>> I was caught by it once and ended up sending the message twice.

NA> Yes, but why didn't the attachment show up in her Sent Items Folder? It
NA> should have shown up there, as all attachments I send show up.

That's true. Beats me. It could be part and parcel of the buggy behaviour.

I wouldn't send the message again unless the recipient confirms no
receipt, especially since TB! took the expected time to post the message,
progress meter and all...

I would surmise that she's using the auto-save option and this would
explain the persistence of a copy of the message in the outbox, another
manifestation of the bug.

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Re[2]: Sending message w/attachment

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 10:31:33 PM, Nick Andriash wrote:

> Yes, but why didn't the attachment show up in her Sent Items Folder?
> It should have shown up there, as all attachments I send show up.


My question is why ask the list instead of the addressee whether or
not the file arrived?

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Re: Sending message w/attachment

[Nick Andriash]

On June 13, 2001, at 8:28:35 PM, A Curtis Martin wrote:

> and yes, your message was sent. :-)

> I was caught by it once and ended up sending the message twice.

Yes, but why didn't the attachment show up in her Sent Items Folder? It
should have shown up there, as all attachments I send show up.


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Re: TB 2.0 Release?

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On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:29:54 +0900, Robert contributed this to our
collective wisdom:
...
RK> I previously inquired about sending and receiving Japanese using TB and was
RK> told that function will be included in Version 2.0 (At least double byte
RK> capabilities) I suppose I will have to wait and continue using my Eudora J
RK> and Eudora E but I am wondering how long I will have to wait? When will
RK> Version 2 be released?

We don't know. Ritlabs hasn't given any recent information on this. :-(

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Re: Sending message w/attachment

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:57:55 -0700, Melissa wrote these words of wisdom:

...
M> A strange thing just happened.  So strange, that I'm not even sure what
M> it is...

M> Someone asked me to send her a file (she may even be reading this - hi!).
M> The file was 3.7 MB in size. When I sent it, everything looked normal. The
M> progress bar in Connection Centre filled up steadily until it reached
M> 100%. CC went away.  But then...

M> Though there's a copy of the message (minus attachment) in the "Sent"
M> folder, the message editor window never went away (message text *and*
M> attachment still visible), and it still seems to be sitting in the
M> "Outbox" as well. So - did I successfully send the mail/attachment or did
M> I not? I didn't see any indication of a sent mail when I looked in the
M> "Account Log".

M> This seems like very strange behavior. Any ideas?

This is a known bug in v1.53 and has been fixed in the v1.53bis update
version that I mentioned earlier in another post.

and yes, your message was sent. :-)

I was caught by it once and ended up sending the message twice.

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[Melissa]

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Hello,

A strange thing just happened.  So strange, that I'm not even sure what it
is...

Someone asked me to send her a file (she may even be reading this - hi!).
The file was 3.7 MB in size. When I sent it, everything looked normal. The
progress bar in Connection Centre filled up steadily until it reached
100%. CC went away.  But then...

Though there's a copy of the message (minus attachment) in the "Sent"
folder, the message editor window never went away (message text *and*
attachment still visible), and it still seems to be sitting in the
"Outbox" as well. So - did I successfully send the mail/attachment or did
I not? I didn't see any indication of a sent mail when I looked in the
"Account Log".

This seems like very strange behavior. Any ideas?

Thanks!

Melissa
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Re[2]: Noticable Folder Slowdown.

[Joseph McDonald]

MRH>> the account as a whole with my largest folder accounting for just
MRH>> over 20,000 of those.  The whole account message base has a file size
[...]
MRH>> I could probably do some good by purging and compressing myself
MRH>> (haven't done that in a while) but overall I'd say TB! was coping
MRH>> admirably.

I'd say so.  I coming from using MS Outlook, and that program would
just die after about 16K messages in a folder.  It just would refuse
to accept mail until you deleted messages out of your folder --
pathetic.

A happy bat user,
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Re: The Bat! v1.53 now released.

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collective wisdom:
...
ACM>> I thought I'd let you all know, since it was announced on TBBETA,
ACM>> that v1.53 of The Bat! was just released today. It's highly
ACM>> recommended since it includes some important and useful new
ACM>> enhancements as well as many bug fixes.

PM> Thanks Allie, it works quite fine here! :o))

I'm not the type to advise quick updates but this is one of them:

An important fix has also been released. It fixes a few bugs that most are
bound to encounter and it also packs an important enhancement to address
the deletion of auto-saved versions of cancelled messages:

[*] Prompt to keep the message when a new message was automatically saved
and then abandoned

[-] Bug when sending messages right from the editor when Autosave is
switched on (in versions before 1.52 it was producing additional drafts in
the Outbox folder)

[-] Right mouse button click on a filter was not selecting the clicked
filter

[-] Sending messages from all accounts did not bring the Connection Centre
in front

[-] The "Modified" indicator works better than in 1.53

You can download the update here:

  http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

It's just an update of the executable (v1.53bis). So, after shutting down
TB!, simply decompress the archive directly into your TB! installation
directory, overwriting the older executable.

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Re: Noticable Folder Slowdown.

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...
MRH> Too offer my perspective on your observation, I have tended to find
MRH> the versions of TB! that have been released since the 1.4x series to
MRH> be a lot quicker at folder access.  I have around 67,000 messages in
MRH> the account as a whole with my largest folder accounting for just
MRH> over 20,000 of those.  The whole account message base has a file size
MRH> of 451MB and when I access the biggest folder it takes an average of
MRH> 7 seconds to display the contents.  My PC has similar hardware to you
MRH> (PIII 550) but with more memory so maybe that helps some.

MRH> Most of my folders (those with 6000 messages or less) tend to be
MRH> accessible in just 2-3 seconds or less.  Mostly, the access seems
MRH> instantaneous for any folder with <2000 messages in.

MRH> I could probably do some good by purging and compressing myself
MRH> (haven't done that in a while) but overall I'd say TB! was coping
MRH> admirably.

MRH> I don't know if any of the above is helpful but it should provide a
MRH> counter view perhaps.

Processor speed and memory have been mentioned but nothing about  hard
disk performance when this could be significantly different between both
your systems. When I upgraded my hard disk to a much faster one, there was
dramatic improvement in how quickly TB! handled large message bases. I
don't really see a significant pause in the speed of folders being opened
until I exceed approximately 6000 messages in a folder where the access
time reaches about 2 seconds. With my old hard disk, it was tedious to
work with a folder containing such a large message base.

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Bug: Connection center, good bye

[Lang Attila D.]

  Something happened to my connection center some days ago: probably
I've minimized it, because it appears on the taskbar as a button and
nothing else of it is visible. Pressing Alt-space when if it is the
active window calls out its system menu, where only the Move, Size and
Close commands are available. Close works, the other two doesn't do
anything. Meanwhile, the connection center works properly, downloads
and sends everything as needed, just I don't see anything of it. A
government method. I've restarted my machine, reverted to a previous
beta, then another one, walked through the whole registry, no way to
cure it. Finally I reverted to a connectioncenterless version, that's
what I'm using in the last days.
  Soon I'll download 1.53 and see what happened to the bug.

La'ng Attila D., iro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

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TB 2.0 Release?

[Robert Kidd]

I previously inquired about sending and receiving Japanese using TB and was 
told that function will be included in Version 2.0 (At least double byte 
capabilities) I suppose I will have to wait and continue using my Eudora J 
and Eudora E but I am wondering how long I will have to wait? When will 
Version 2 be released?

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Re: The Bat! v1.53 now released.

[Peter Meyns]

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A Curtis Martin presented us with these thoughts about "The Bat! v1.53 now released.":

ACM> I thought I'd let you all know, since it was announced on TBBETA, that
ACM> v1.53 of The Bat! was just released today. It's highly recommended since
ACM> it includes some important and useful new enhancements as well as many bug
ACM> fixes.

Thanks Allie, it works quite fine here! :o))

Cheers
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Re: Storage of attachment

[Maurice Snellen]

Didier,

Friday, June 08, 2001, 10:25:30 AM, you wrote:

DM> a simply question, what is the best :

DM> * store the attachment separate from message in special dir ?
DM> * in message bodies ?

I cannot decide for you what the best method is. For me, keeping them
in the message bodies is the best option. I'm in the editorial team of
several magazines and sometimes recieve multiple versions of the same
article over time, if they were all stored, I'd have a big job finding
them back again.

Also, the fact that Eudora (at least when I was still using it) didn't
offer an option to keep the attachments with the messages but insisted
on storing them externally was one of the reasons I started looking
for a different program in the first place.

I wonder however, how The Bat! reacts to S/MIME signatures when set to
store attachments separately. Eudora doesn't support S/MIME out of the
box, and as a result I used to have dozens of smime.p7k(x) files
laying around in my attachment directory.

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Re: Install problem

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Hello Fabio,

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 17:51:01 -0300, Fabio Bastiglia Oliva
[FBO] wrote concerning 'Install problem':

FBO> I've made the download of version 1.53, also downloaded the
FBO> international Pack, but I can't install them to my Win2K Pro.

I think we need a little more information then just 'I can't install
it on Win2k'. What happens when you install the new version?

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Re: Noticable Folder Slowdown.

[Mark R Harding]

Jamie,

Regarding your message dated: 13 June 2001...

JD> I think I may be getting close to the limits of either the bat or
JD> my machine for messages in a folder. On a PIII 500 with 192MB of
JD> ram a folder with 1 messages each of about 4K takes 45 seconds
JD> to open. I've tried the usual purge and compress and saved 8MB (on
JD> a 350MB mailbase (total)). Even folder with only a few thousand
JD> messages are starting to slowdown noticeably.

JD> I know it's been mentioned before but no ones ever had a proper
JD> answer. What is the feasible (not theoretical) limit at which I'm
JD> going to have to start splitting the folders up?

JD> I don't think 1 messages in a folder is too much to ask for as
JD> I've seen other mail systems deal with much larger volumes quite
JD> happily.

Too offer my perspective on your observation, I have tended to find
the versions of TB! that have been released since the 1.4x series to
be a lot quicker at folder access.  I have around 67,000 messages in
the account as a whole with my largest folder accounting for just over
20,000 of those.  The whole account message base has a file size of
451MB and when I access the biggest folder it takes an average of 7
seconds to display the contents.  My PC has similar hardware to you
(PIII 550) but with more memory so maybe that helps some.

Most of my folders (those with 6000 messages or less) tend to be
accessible in just 2-3 seconds or less.  Mostly, the access seems
instantaneous for any folder with <2000 messages in.

I could probably do some good by purging and compressing myself
(haven't done that in a while) but overall I'd say TB! was coping
admirably.

I don't know if any of the above is helpful but it should provide a
counter view perhaps.

All the best,

Mark.


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Re: 1.53bis: Bug - Sending mail problem

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 3:16:12 PM, Dierk Haasis wrote:

> Until 1.53 (official release) I was quite happy with +
> to send my messages. Now I get hold of the version you find in the
> signature and what happens? I hit the said shortcut, a "Save
> message?" dialogue appears. I don't want to save it, another
> question about saving, I again say no - and the message is gone, not
> send, merely gone.

>   I did not change anything in my settings, so what the heck, has
>   happened?


I'm working from memory again here.  I believe that crtl-enter sends
immediately or queues in the outbox depending on your settings, just
like the flip-flopping icons.

yes on June 10 this appeared on TBBETA from Stefan Tanurkov:

>1.53 RC/4 is now available from
> http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

>[?] Because we could not reproduce the problem with replying to other
>message during mail retrieval, it is not possible to say that the
>problem is fixed, but we tried to fix its source
>[-] Bug with completing addresses using Ctrl+Plus/Minus (intorduced in
>1.53 Beta/3)
>[*] Ctrl+Enter hotkey in the message editor is now used accordingly to
>the delivery type (immediate/deferred)

there is some discussion after that in a thread called RC/4, and I
believe there is also some discussion before that time about the
behavior of Ctrl-Enter

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Install problem

[Fabio Bastiglia Oliva]

Hello,

I've made the download of version 1.53, also downloaded the
international Pack, but I can't install them to my Win2K Pro.

Any clues about this problem?

Best Regards

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Re: Bizarre Toolbar Behavior

[Nick Danger]

Subject: Bizarre Toolbar Behavior
   From: Juergen Frisch
  Dated: Wed, 13 Jun 2001, 20:54:30 (1:54:30 PM local)
~~

Hello Juergen,

> The icons' grouping follows your settings in

>Account | Properties... | Transport | Delivery.

Thanks to all who noticed this.  That was it all right. Not sure why
it was changed in the upgrade as I never changed it, but it's fixed
and I'm happy!

- Nick


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1.53bis: Bug - Sending mail problem

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello TBUDL Members!

  Now, this p me off. Sorry for the foul language, but with the
  new, "improved" version I have something I am more than willing to
  call a bug:

  Until 1.53 (official release) I was quite happy with +
  to send my messages. Now I get hold of the version you find in the
  signature and what happens? I hit the said shortcut, a "Save
  message?" dialogue appears. I don't want to save it, another
  question about saving, I again say no - and the message is gone, not
  send, merely gone.

  I did not change anything in my settings, so what the heck, has
  happened?


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Re: 1.53 official release - possible bug: Attachments

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Hello Gerry!

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 8:30:43 PM you wrote:

> Interesting.  I have "Bind" already activated.

I do have normally, I just changed it for testing purposes.

DH>> I added the file by using the toolbar button.

> I did the same, but also added the file using drag-and-drop and that
> worked fine as well.

And another test round. Adding it by context menu or toolbar button:
The DOC is been seen in the editor attachment pane, but not in the
Outbox.

Put in by drag-n-drop: Everything works fine. Getting weirder and
weirder.




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Re: Bizarre Toolbar Behavior

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Hello Dwight!

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 8:59:46 PM you wrote:

> I think it depends on what your setting is on sending versus queueing
> mail for the account.

Brilliant! All the while we were beta testing and someone complained
about the two icons being switched and no one, AFAIR, ever came up
with this idea. I just tested it, Bingo! If you use "Immediate Send"
the letter icon is leftmost, when you choose "Deferred" the outbox
icon comes to the left.

THAT is something I for my part really like - one look and you know
what you set your account to. And, if you know this, you just click
the leftmost icon to send your mail the way you prefer.



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Re: Auto-save annoyance

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Gerry!

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 7:46:43 PM you wrote:

> I can not confirm this on my end.  I noticed no flickering when
> looking at either the main window or when I new message is being
> edited.  I tried with the editor at full screen, the main window at
> full screen and finally both windows resized so I can see them both at
> the same time.

It has vanished. So everything is fine now.



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Re[2]: Bizarre Toolbar Behavior

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 1:53:10 PM, Nick Danger wrote:

> I was just testing this behavior out by opening the editor and then
> changing accounts on the fly using the right-click on the status bar
> method and whenever I got to my main account the icons switched
> right in front of my eyes! Then back again as I went to a different
> account. Really wacky.

I think it depends on what your setting is on sending versus queueing
mail for the account.

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Re: Bizarre Toolbar Behavior

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Nick,

Historians believe that Wed, 13 Jun 2001 at 13:53 GMT -0500 was when,
Nick Danger [ND] typed the following:

ND> I was just testing this behavior out by opening the editor and then
ND> changing accounts on the fly using the right-click on the status bar
ND> method and whenever I got to my main account the icons switched right
ND> in front of my eyes! Then back again as I went to a different account.
ND> Really wacky.

Does one account have Deferred delivery, and the others Immediate
Delivery enabled?

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Re: Bizarre Toolbar Behavior

[Marek Mikus]

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Nick Danger wrote:

> Check this nutty stuff out:
>
>  If I open the editor in one account the toolbar "Send" and "place in
> outbox" icons are reveresed, with the outbox first and then the send.
> All other accounts are send , then outbox.
>
> I just noticed the behavior after the recent upgrade to 1.53 today.
> Noticed because I was suddenly sending stuff to the outbox instead of
> sending. But why only one account?!
>
> Anyone got any ideas?

When You change "Deffered" to "Immediate" in menu "Account | Properties |
Transfer", icons and shortcuts will be changed back :-)

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Re: Bizarre Toolbar Behavior

[Juergen Frisch]

Hello Nick,

   on Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 20:36, you wrote:

>  If I open the editor in one account the toolbar "Send" and "place in
> outbox" icons are reveresed, with the outbox first and then the send.
> All other accounts are send , then outbox.

> But why only one account?!

   The icons' grouping follows your settings in

   Account | Properties... | Transport | Delivery.

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Re: Bizarre Toolbar Behavior

[Nick Danger]

Subject: Bizarre Toolbar Behavior
   From: Nick Danger
  Dated: Wed, 13 Jun 2001, 13:36:22 (1:36:22 PM local)
~~

As much as I hate replying to myself I had to add this note:

I was just testing this behavior out by opening the editor and then
changing accounts on the fly using the right-click on the status bar
method and whenever I got to my main account the icons switched right
in front of my eyes! Then back again as I went to a different account.
Really wacky.

Figures it would happen to the account I use most too.

Any suggestions would be most welcome.

- Nick


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Bizarre Toolbar Behavior

[Nick Danger]

Check this nutty stuff out:

 If I open the editor in one account the toolbar "Send" and "place in
outbox" icons are reveresed, with the outbox first and then the send.
All other accounts are send , then outbox.

I just noticed the behavior after the recent upgrade to 1.53 today.
Noticed because I was suddenly sending stuff to the outbox instead of
sending. But why only one account?!

Anyone got any ideas?

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Re: 1.53 official release - possible bug: Attachments

[Gerry Doyon]

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Hello Dierk,

Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 1:02:08 PM, you wrote:

DH> I tried it again, changing some settings. Normally I use "Bind
DH> attachments only while sending". For good measure I unchecked it.

Interesting.  I have "Bind" already activated.

DH> The other way round - first file, than vCard - everything works fine.

VERY weird!

DH> I added the file by using the toolbar button.

I did the same, but also added the file using drag-and-drop and that
worked fine as well.


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Re: Complete crash after clicking mailto

[Thomas F]

Hello Hendrik,

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:29:51 +0200 GMT (12/06/2001, 19:29 +0800 GMT),
Hendrik Thaer wrote:

> I have got problems with my Bat for some time now. When TB! ia
> already open and I click on a mailto: link the application creates a
> second instance of TB! and then crashes.

No such problem here. There is a mailto link somewhere (I think in the
registry), maybe someone else can help how it has to be set.


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Re: (No Subject)

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On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 19:39:57 +0200, Nick Foster [NF] wrote
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NF>   Unsubsribe please

Please have a look at the footer of every mail you receive from this
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Re: Auto-save annoyance

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Hello Dierk,

Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 1:03:56 PM, you wrote:

DH>   With this version I changed my settings to Auto-save every 10 sec.
DH>   And now every ten sec's the main window of TB! flickers. Is this
DH>   normal? Can it be changed?

I can not confirm this on my end.  I noticed no flickering when
looking at either the main window or when I new message is being
edited.  I tried with the editor at full screen, the main window at
full screen and finally both windows resized so I can see them both at
the same time.

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Hello Tbudl,

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Re: 1.53 official release - possible bug: Attachments

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Hello Gerry!

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 5:30:43 PM you wrote:

> I was unable to duplicate this problem after following your directions
> to the letter.

I tried it again, changing some settings. Normally I use "Bind
attachments only while sending". For good measure I unchecked it.

And now guess ... Wrong ... Both times the same happened, the file
added (and I saw it added in the editor!) was not visible in the same
message sitting in the Outbox.

The other way round - first file, than vCard - everything works fine.

I added the file by using the toolbar button.


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Auto-save annoyance

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello TBUDL Members!

  With this version I changed my settings to Auto-save every 10 sec.
  And now every ten sec's the main window of TB! flickers. Is this
  normal? Can it be changed?


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Re[4]: The Bat! v1.53 now released.

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Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 12:25:56 PM, you wrote:

Ben>> I'm curious as to what you mean by "send hang."

JR>   In earlier versions, TB! would attempt to send & if it couldn't, it
JR>   wouldn't disengage from the server.

It must depend on the server. Mine is on a win2k machine setting less
than a foot from my workstation. But TB! never exhibited the problem
you described. I upgraded to 153 anyway, and thanks for the heads-up!

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Re: Synchronise

[Nick Andriash]

On June 13, 2001, at 4:24:27 AM -0700, Edvinas wrote:

> I've tried to use synchronise feature but it doesn't seem to work
> correctly. It  synchronised  only  folders, existing on both systems.
> Folders wich were only  on  one  of  the  systems  were  not  created
> on another and were not synchronised. Is it supposed to work that way,
> am I doing something wrong or it's simply a bug?

The synchronize feature is a little complicated to use. This is the order
you use it in:

a) Run #1 from the Installation that needs updating.

b) Run #2 from the Installation that you want to take the messages from.

c) Run #3 from the Installation that needs the updating.

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Re[3]: The Bat! v1.53 now released.

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Ben,

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 12:09:31 [ -0400 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'The Bat! v1.53 now released.':

Ben> I'm curious as to what you mean by "send hang."

  In earlier versions, TB! would attempt to send & if it couldn't, it
  wouldn't disengage from the server. As a consequence no new mail
  arrived & the msgs in queued mail didn't go anywhere -- at least on
  my machine. Someone posted a note saying it had been a problem for a
  while but when I reviewed the changes for the current version
  carefully I found the following:

  "Some connection centre misbehaviours (the most important is staying
  online forever sometimes)"

  Hopefully this answers my question (& yours, too).

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Re[3]: Search option on taskbar icon

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello David,

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 16:22:22 [ +0100 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Search option on taskbar icon':

David> On an added matter the 'search window' only appears on the main
David> window. I do most of my work with TB! from a window opened up via mail
David> ticker and search window is not available here. (It would be nice if
David> it were). Whilst the virtual window is open, I hit F7. I was asking
David> for a search option when no TB! window is open, and access is only via
David> taskbar icon and its context menu. The scenario is if I am asked to
David> find an email and need to search my database. With no TB! window open,
David> I have to 'restore' TB! and then hit F7. If I need the address book,
David> I right click taskbar icon and select address book. Would that F7
David> search was here, I would save a small step, but it might be useful.

  Again, I'm not sure that I understand your problem exactly. I think
  I followed your steps:

  TB! is reduced to System Tray icon
  New Mail arrived & Ticker was on automatic
  I clicked on ticker & virtual window w msgs opened
  F8 toggled the AB on & off
  F7 opened the program wide Search Window

  On the AB menu there is a search window for AB search
  F7 accomplished a program wide search.

  Throughout all of these steps, TB! remained an icon in the system
  tray.

  What am I missing?

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Re[2]: The Bat! v1.53 now released.

[Ben Mills]

Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 8:05:51 AM, you wrote:


JR>   Do you know if the "send" hang was addressed in this new version?

Jan,

I'm curious as to what you mean by "send hang." Thanks!

Regards,
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Re: 1.53 official release - possible bug: Attachments

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Hello Dierk,

Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 6:19:01 AM, you wrote:


DH>   I composed a message which should contain my vCard and a Word
DH>   document. First I wrote the mail, then I put the vCard in
DH>   (Utilities/Attach vCard). After that I clicked on the toolbar button
DH>   to attach a file, chose the right one and "opened" (= appended) it.

DH>   Since this mail is very important I checked my Outbox for it and saw
DH>   only the vCard attached. I fiddled a bit and consistently got the
DH>   same behaviour, when I attach the vCard before attaching a file, the
DH>   file does not show up (because it does not get attached). Doing it
DH>   the other way round did function.

DH>   Anyone else seeing this behaviour?

I was unable to duplicate this problem after following your directions
to the letter.
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Re[2]: Search option on taskbar icon

[David Bevington]

Hello Jan,


Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 2:55:07 PM, you wrote:

Jan> Hello David,

Jan> On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 14:18:42 [ +0100 GMT], you wrote the
Jan> following in regards to 'Search option on taskbar icon':

David>>   Is this the right place to send this request/enhancement? It would
David>>   be useful to have the search tool appear on the context menu of the
David>>   taskbar icon cf the Address book. To access the search menu is my
David>>   usual reason to maximise the main window of TB! Especially when I
David>>   have no messages.

Jan>   Hmmm. I'm not sure I understand what you are requesting. In the AB
Jan>   there is a search "window" right on the AB task bar. In addition you
Jan>   can use f7 to do a complete TB! search & there is a 3rd party
Jan>   program called "Mail Assistant" which can search your email database
Jan>   to pull out all email msgs based on any criteria. HT

I will try to explain. The F7 option is what I meant. Like F8 can call
up the address book, there is also an option on the taskbar icon
context menu. It would be nice if the F7 search option also was
available here. Thanks for the thought of 'mailbag assistant' but I
was looking for a solution using TB! not another program. I hope this
clarifies what I was trying to explain.

On an added matter the 'search window' only appears on the main
window. I do most of my work with TB! from a window opened up via mail
ticker and search window is not available here. (It would be nice if
it were). Whilst the virtual window is open, I hit F7. I was asking
for a search option when no TB! window is open, and access is only via
taskbar icon and its context menu. The scenario is if I am asked to
find an email and need to search my database. With no TB! window open,
I have to 'restore' TB! and then hit F7. If I need the address book,
I right click taskbar icon and select address book. Would that F7
search was here, I would save a small step, but it might be useful.

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Re: Connection Center

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Tim Musson wrote:

> Thanks, works as advertised, but unfortunately, there is nothing to
> look at unless it is processing a task... I guess I will have to go to
> a slow dialup connection and let my biggest account fill up for a
> couple of days. 

You might us the "Account/Dispatch on server" method to be able to
appreciate the Connection Centre at its fullest.

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Re[2]: Connection Center

[Tim Musson]

Hey Markus,

Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 9:46:29 AM, you wrote:

>> Connection Center
>> Is there a way to get it to stay up?

MG> Navigate to Options/Preferences/General and set "Display Connection
MG> Center" to "Always".

Thanks, works as advertised, but unfortunately, there is nothing to
look at unless it is processing a task...  I guess I will have to go
to a slow dialup connection and let my biggest account fill up for a
couple of days. 

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Re: Search option on taskbar icon

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello David,

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 14:18:42 [ +0100 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Search option on taskbar icon':

David>   Is this the right place to send this request/enhancement? It would
David>   be useful to have the search tool appear on the context menu of the
David>   taskbar icon cf the Address book. To access the search menu is my
David>   usual reason to maximise the main window of TB! Especially when I
David>   have no messages.

  Hmmm. I'm not sure I understand what you are requesting. In the AB
  there is a search "window" right on the AB task bar. In addition you
  can use f7 to do a complete TB! search & there is a 3rd party
  program called "Mail Assistant" which can search your email database
  to pull out all email msgs based on any criteria. HTH

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Search option on taskbar icon

[David Bevington]

Hello TBUDL,

  Is this the right place to send this request/enhancement? It would
  be useful to have the search tool appear on the context menu of the
  taskbar icon cf the Address book. To access the search menu is my
  usual reason to maximise the main window of TB! Especially when I
  have no messages.

  BTW, I would like to publicly thank Peter Palmreuther for his swift
  response to my previous query. Thanks for this active/useful
  discussion group.
  

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Re: Connection Center

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Tim Musson wrote:

> I just upgraded from 1.51, and want to look at the Connection Center
> to check it out. Is there a way to get it to stay up? I am on an
> Internet connected LAN, so it only seems to stay up for a couple of
> seconds.

Navigate to Options/Preferences/General and set "Display Connection
Center" to "Always".

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Connection Center

[Tim Musson]

Hey TBUDL,

  I just upgraded from 1.51, and want to look at the Connection Center
  to check it out.  Is there a way to get it to stay up?  I am on an
  Internet connected LAN, so it only seems to stay up for a couple of
  seconds.

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Re: opening attachments with associated applications

[Mike Harlos]

Hi Jan,

Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 7:00:06 AM, Jan Rifkinson on TBUDL wrote:

>   What is "Wordview" & where can it be found?

It's Microsoft's viewer for Word Files. Here's the URL and info.
Looks like they've changed the name to Word Viewer:

http://download.microsoft.com/download/word2000/viewer/1/WIN98/EN-US/WD97VW32.EXE



 Word 97/2000 Viewer (Word 2000) (Windows 95/98/NT)
 
Important This download is for users who don't have Word; it
allows them to open and view Word 2000 documents.

To share Word 97 documents with those who do not have Word,
download Word 97/2000 Viewer (Word 97) (Windows 95/98/NT).

With the Microsoft Word Viewer 97/2000, Microsoft Word users can
share documents with those who do not have Word and users without
Word can open and view Word documents. This product also allows
users who wish to post rich-formatted Word documents on the
Internet to expand their online audience to people who might not
have Word. This viewer also allows users to view and print
documents created in the Word native file format, even if they do
not have Word. Users are allowed to zoom, outline, or view page
layout, headers/footers, footnotes, and annotations.

Word Viewer 97/2000 includes the following features: 

- Online Layout View for easy reading of online documents,
  including those with background colors and textures
- Document Map for point-and-click navigation through longer
  documents
- Hyperlink navigation to open any hyperlink in a document with
  your installed browser

The viewer does not allow users to edit files. However, it allows
them to copy information from a document to other applications.

Microsoft Word Viewer 97/2000 will follow hyperlinks located in
Word documents. Word Viewer 97/2000 is built to automatically
configure itself as a Helper Application for Netscape Navigator
and Microsoft Internet Explorer. This allows users to
automatically view Word documents that are linked to Hypertext
Markup Language (HTML) pages on a LAN or on the web in the user's
default web browser. Word Viewer by itself can follow document
hyperlinks on a LAN. This new capability allows users to browse
rich document systems on a LAN in much the same way a web browser
allows you to explore the Internet.

This product is "freeware." We encourage you to copy and
distribute Word Viewer to your friends and co-workers or post it
on public electronic bulletin boards. The Word Viewer is also
available from the Microsoft Download Service at (425) 936-6735.

System Requirements for Using Word Viewer
A personal computer with a 486 or higher processor 
Microsoft Windows® 95 operating system or Microsoft Windows NT®
Workstation operating system 3.51 or later
4 MB of memory for Windows 95 (8 MB recommended) 
12 MB of memory for Windows NT Workstation 
7 MB of hard disk space (9 MB free for installation only) 
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Re: Group Macro

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello David,

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 2:34:39 PM you wrote:

DB>   If I have added users to a particular group is it possible to filter
DB>   messages from an of those users based on their membership of a
DB>   group?
DB>   OR
DB>   do I have to create separate filters for each member?
DB>   OR
DB>   could I use the alternative actions tab and only create one filter?

DB>   It would be useful (I think) to be able to filter based on a group a
DB>   person belongs to (although I may be wrong).

"Sorting Office" / "Advanced" / scroll down / "Address(es) must be
listed in the address book:" ("Items: Sender") / "The address entry
must belong to groups:" 

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Re: Address Book Shortcut

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello ANT-ilic,

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 1:16:04 AM you wrote:

Ai> What? F8 won't start trace in Delphi?

sure, but it don't open TB!s AB :-)
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Re[2]: Address Book Shortcut

[ANT-ilic]

Hi Marck D. Pearlstone,

  On the Tuesday, June 12, 2001, U wrote:

JR>>   What's the difference between the system hot key & F8 in this case?

MDP> The system hot-key works while I'm in Delphi or Word or Explorer. F8
MDP> doesn't :-).

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Group Macro

[David Bevington]

Hello TBUDL,

  If I have added users to a particular group is it possible to filter
  messages from an of those users based on their membership of a
  group?
  OR
  do I have to create separate filters for each member?
  OR
  could I use the alternative actions tab and only create one filter?

  It would be useful (I think) to be able to filter based on a group a
  person belongs to (although I may be wrong).

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Re: The Bat! v1.53 now released.

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Allie,

On Tuesday, June 12, 2001 20:23:43 [ -0500 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'The Bat! v1.53 now released.':

Allie> [...] v1.53 of The Bat! was just released today. It's highly
Allie> recommended since it includes some important and useful new
Allie> enhancements as well as many bug fixes. [...]

  Do you know if the "send" hang was addressed in this new version?

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Re[2]: opening attachments with associated applications

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Mike,

On Tuesday, June 12, 2001 22:21:25 [ -0500 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'opening attachments with associated
applications':

Mike> [...] I had them associated with WordView to minimize the risk of
Mike> macro viruses [...]

  What is "Wordview" & where can it be found?

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Synchronise

[Edvinas]

Hello,

I've tried to use synchronise feature but it doesn't seem to work correctly.
It  synchronised  only  folders, existing on both systems. Folders wich were
only  on  one  of  the  systems  were  not  created  on another and were not
synchronised. Is it supposed to work that way, am I doing something wrong or
it's simply a bug?

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Noticable Folder Slowdown.

[Jamie Dainton]

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Hello TBUDL,

  I think I may be getting close to the limits of either the bat or my
machine for messages in a  folder. On a PIII 500 with 192MB of ram  a
folder with 1 messages each of about 4K takes 45 seconds to open.
I've tried the usual purge and compress and saved 8MB (on a 350MB
mailbase (total)). Even folder with only a few thousand messages are
starting to slowdown noticeably.

I know it's been mentioned before but no ones ever had a proper
answer. What is the feasible (not theoretical) limit at which I'm
going to have to start splitting the folders up?

I don't think 1 messages in a folder is too much to ask for as
I've seen other mail systems deal with much larger volumes quite
happily.

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 The Bat! 1.53 Beta/5
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 Beta testers who lie! Next time on Geraldo!

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Re: 1.53 official release - possible bug: Attachments

[Marek Mikus]

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Dierk Haasis wrote:

>   I composed a message which should contain my vCard and a Word
>   document. First I wrote the mail, then I put the vCard in
>   (Utilities/Attach vCard). After that I clicked on the toolbar button
>   to attach a file, chose the right one and "opened" (= appended) it.
>
>   Since this mail is very important I checked my Outbox for it and saw
>   only the vCard attached. I fiddled a bit and consistently got the
>   same behaviour, when I attach the vCard before attaching a file, the
>   file does not show up (because it does not get attached). Doing it
>   the other way round did function.
>
>   Anyone else seeing this behaviour?

no, not confirmed.

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Re: 1.53 official release - possible bug: Attachments

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Dierk,

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 12:19:01 PM you wrote:

DH> Anyone else seeing this behaviour?

cannot confirm over here ... tried to attach as QP, MIME, UUE and per
drag-n-drop. every time both attachments are present when the mail is
stored in outbox.
tried to attach .txt and .doc.
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1.53 official release - possible bug: Attachments

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello TBUDL Members!

  I discovered something quite not so funny today:

  I composed a message which should contain my vCard and a Word
  document. First I wrote the mail, then I put the vCard in
  (Utilities/Attach vCard). After that I clicked on the toolbar button
  to attach a file, chose the right one and "opened" (= appended) it.

  Since this mail is very important I checked my Outbox for it and saw
  only the vCard attached. I fiddled a bit and consistently got the
  same behaviour, when I attach the vCard before attaching a file, the
  file does not show up (because it does not get attached). Doing it
  the other way round did function.

  Anyone else seeing this behaviour?


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troubles you inevitably bring. (Ashleigh Brilliant/Derek Leveret)

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Re[2]: Quoted initials?

[Clif Oliver]

> Excuse me for my poor english ( Esperanto took most of my attention
> :-)

Ne problemo.  Via angla lingva kapablo estas tre bone.  ;-)

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Re: Quoted initials?

[Roman Schechtel]

Hi Dierk,

> > (my dictionary says: "visually impaired")
>
> Perfectly correct; which one do you use?

Nun, es ist eigentlich "Babylon" gewesen: richtig gut, vor allem, da
er auch Esperanto kann :-)

> > Excuse me for my poor english
>
> Don't be that humble, it is quite good. :-)

Och, könnte besser werden! Schau mal hier:

 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0205313426/
 "The Elements of Style", ein Buch, dass einem wahrscheinlich beim
 Verbessern seines English hilft. Kaufe ich mir mal...

> http://www.Write4U.de

Interessant!


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Re: The Bat! v1.53 now released.

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Daniel!

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 9:17:47 AM you wrote:

> And is it possible to install it over version 1.52f without losing all
> my settings and preferences ?

Yes. This time around the installer didn't even lose the VCF
association (happened to me with installers 1.51 and 1.52).



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Re: HTML Viewing Question??

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello David!

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 9:13:03 AM you wrote:

> Since you are using 1.53 you could always press F9. This will give you the
> full source. It is not automatic but it might help you.

View/Message Header and then check what you want to see. This brings
up the Message Header view bar between the message and the message
list and is something different from the RFC headers displayed in the
message body.

A very handy feature, I use the complete RFC headers in the preview
pane and assorted headers in the View Folder.


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Re: The Bat! v1.53 now released.

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Raj!

On Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 5:20:34 AM you wrote:

> Thanks  for  the  announcement  in  this list. I was subscribed to the TheBat! New 
>Version
> Official  Announcement  List  subscription.  However for some reason I was not 
>getting any
> mails from them. Till I joined this list I did not know that I was using 1.51 ver 
>till a 2
> weeks back :(

I am on this list since I use TB! (1.34, AFAIR) and have only once
gotten a notification. Another reason for me to have joined TBBETA.
;-)



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Windows 95 4.0 1212 C

You have to be able to stand living with the tensions of opposites.
(Niels Bohr)

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Re: Quoted initials?

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Roman!

On Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 10:47:28 PM you wrote:

> (my dictionary says: "visually impaired")

Perfectly correct; which one do you use?

> Excuse me for my poor english ( Esperanto took most of my attention
> :-)

Don't be that humble, it is quite good. :-)


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Re: font selection in message lilst ?

[Marek Mikus]

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Geir Bćkholt wrote:

> I can set the font for the folders-pane and the editor window easily,
> but i can find no way of setting it for the message list and the
> address book..

Font for messages pane You can change in menu "Options | Colour Groups |
Fonts". For AB is not possible to change font, as I know.

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Re: HTML Viewing Question??

[David Elliott]

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Hello Ryan

On 13 June 2001 at 23:55:25 -0700 (which was 07:55 where I live) Ryan
Phillips emanated these words of wisdom

> Is there a way for when I view an HTML email that the author, and
> other message information can be displayed.  Currently, my Bat only
> views the message.  i can, of course, switch the text mode only and
> see the information, but I would like to save myself the trouble.

Since you are using 1.53 you could always press F9. This will give you the
full source. It is not automatic but it might help you.

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font selection in message lilst ?

[Geir Bækholt]

I can set the font for the folders-pane and the editor window easily,
but i can find no way of setting it for the message list and the
address book..

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Re: The Bat! v1.53 now released.

[Marek Mikus]

On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Raj wrote:

> Thanks to you I have now downloaded the v1.53.
>
> > [+] Each account can have its personal default address book.
>
> Where is the settings to do the above ??

You can create more AdressBooks now and in Account Setting set one of
them as default - all accounts of "Administrator" type see all these
AddresBooks under F8.

If You create "User" account type and login to it, it has his own
separatet AddressBook now.

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Re: The Bat! v1.53 now released.

[Daniel Delattre]

ACM> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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ACM> Hi,

ACM> I thought I'd let you all know, since it was announced on TBBETA, that
ACM> v1.53 of The Bat! was just released today. It's highly recommended since
ACM> it includes some important and useful new enhancements as well as many bug
ACM> fixes.

Ok, great !

And is it possible to install it over version 1.52f without losing all
my settings and preferences ?

Bye.

Daniel

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