Re: delete msg from server - BUG?

[Andy Spiegl]

Hi Peter,

> I'm using it, but I did think about it yet ...
> I've done some testings and can only state it works.
Thanks for testing.
Pretty strange that it works for you.  I've tested it a few times with
different configurations and it _never_ deleted any mails from the server.
I am using TheBat 1.53t - maybe that's my mistake?

Is the current Betaversion stable enough to try it?
 Andy.

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Re[2]: d*mn Outlook

[Rick Reumann]

On Sunday, February 03, 2002, 8:05:56 PM, Chris Hall wrote:


RK>> Also, any recommendations of other software that is as good as Outlook with
RK>> contacts and as an organizer is welcome (Zoot?).

I've been searching for the perfect solution for this as well. Sun's
Star Office suite seemed very promising but since I think they are
doing away with the scheduler in their next version I didn't bother
with using it too much (I still use it for my Word/Excel substitute
however. It's a great product and free:). For a scheduler thing that
can send out e-mails with your e-mail client I heard "remind-me" is very
good. Not sure though since I haven't actually tried it. The url is
http://www.beiley.com/remind-me/download.html
Currently, since I have a Palm, I just use the Palm Desktop which is
synched up with my Palm for my organizer. I might give the remind-me a
try though since it also synchs with Palm. Let me know what you come
up with. I'm interested in a good solution that works with my Palm, my
contacts, and the Bat. Currently I really haven't found the perfect
set up.





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Re: d*mn Outlook

[Chris Hall]

Monday, 4 February 2002

Hi Roman,

On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, at 01:22:31 [GMT +0100] (which was 1:22 p.m. here
in Eastbourne, N.Z.) you wrote:
RK> I'm using Outlook XP for contacts and as an Organizer. It keeps stealing the
RK> vcf-association as well as the default mailer from TB. I _did_ turn it off
RK> in its options, but that didn't help for long. How can I turn it off for
RK> good?
RK> Also, any recommendations of other software that is as good as Outlook with
RK> contacts and as an organizer is welcome (Zoot?).

RK> Roman



Try Time & Chaos http://www.isbister.com/
Much better and less resource used.


Regards,


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d*mn Outlook

[Roman Katzer]

I'm using Outlook XP for contacts and as an Organizer. It keeps stealing the
vcf-association as well as the default mailer from TB. I _did_ turn it off
in its options, but that didn't help for long. How can I turn it off for
good?
Also, any recommendations of other software that is as good as Outlook with
contacts and as an organizer is welcome (Zoot?).

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Re: The Bat vs. 1.54?

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Dave Conroy,

On Sunday, February 03 2002 at 10:43 AM PDT, you wrote:

> BTW, anyone know where to find some more classy buttons?

Not really, and is one reason we've been clamouring for a GUI change.


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Re: Replacing buttons

[wee David]

Hi Jernej,

> Just put glyphs.bmp to your installation folder (typically
> C:\Program Files\The Bat!\)

Doh - that easy. Thanks.



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Re: The Bat vs. 1.54?

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Sunday, February 3, 2002, 12:15:33 PM, Nick Andriash wrote:

>> May I remind you

> No need Dierk... I already agreed with you that new releases should be
> 'relatively' bug free and is the reason why RITLabs is waiting. I was
> just putting myself in the shoes of TBUDL Members who have been
> patiently waiting, and in all honesty deserve a more detailed answer to
> their question of when the next release may be ready other than WIR. :o)

It seems to me, as someone who has been thru nearly all the betas for
1.54, that some of the people who usually eschew betas but are a
little risk accepting, if they are impatient for the next release
could come on over the the beta and the beta list, although they
should think twice if they are running 9.x. I used it a long time with
9.x and put up with the memory loss crashes, but anyone moving to the
beta now should know that is probably the main reason 1.54 remains a
beta.


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Re: Replacing buttons

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello wee,

03. februar 2002, 20:31:20, you wrote:

wD> I've downloaded the alternative button set from
wD> http://www.dreamer.de/projekte/thebat/.

Just put glyphs.bmp to your installation folder (typically C:\Program
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Replacing buttons

[wee David]

I've downloaded the alternative button set from
http://www.dreamer.de/projekte/thebat/.

How do I go about "installing" them? I couldn't find anything in the
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Re[3]: The Bat vs. 1.54?

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello Dave,

03. februar 2002, 19:43:38, you wrote:

DC> The only things I would personally change are the dodgy looking button
DC> images and the uncertainty of whether I will have to pay to upgrade
DC> when a new version does arrive. Given that I am about to pay for my
DC> copies (16 more days!) I don't fancy shelling out again in a month or
DC> so!

You can replace those images. Some alternative sets are here:



So far all upgrades were free. I also heard somewhere that those who
licensed 1.5x+ will have free upgrade to 2 (when it arrives).

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Re[2]: The Bat vs. 1.54?

[Dave Conroy]

Hi Nick,

Personally, I also prefer my software more than relatively bug free
 though I appreciate that most/all software has bugs of one sort or
another. I am happy to wait until things are right, as would most
people who rely on software to run their business.

Meanwhile, I am enjoying the best e-mail client I have yet encountered
 one that already does more than I need, more reliably and with
less fuss than any other.

The only things I would personally change are the dodgy looking button
images and the uncertainty of whether I will have to pay to upgrade
when a new version does arrive. Given that I am about to pay for my
copies (16 more days!) I don't fancy shelling out again in a month or
so!

BTW, anyone know where to find some more classy buttons?

With best wishes,

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Sunday, February 03, 2002, 6:15:33 PM, Nick wrote:

Nick Andriash> Hello Dierk Haasis,

Nick Andriash> On Sunday, February 03 2002 at 01:11 AM PDT, you wrote:

>> May I remind you

I was just putting myself in the shoes of TBUDL Members who have been
patiently waiting, and in all honesty deserve a more detailed answer
to their question of when the next release may be ready other than
WIR. :o)


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Re: The Bat vs. 1.54?

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Dierk Haasis,

On Sunday, February 03 2002 at 01:11 AM PDT, you wrote:

> May I remind you

No need Dierk... I already agreed with you that new releases should be
'relatively' bug free and is the reason why RITLabs is waiting. I was
just putting myself in the shoes of TBUDL Members who have been
patiently waiting, and in all honesty deserve a more detailed answer to
their question of when the next release may be ready other than WIR. :o)


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Re: complaint: thebat portability

[Alastair Scott]

On 03 February 2002 at 16:27 Roman wrote:

> On Sunday, February 03, 2002, 07:10:07, ::Andrew:: wrote:
>>   For those of you familiar with Zoot (www.zootsoftware.com) it's a
>>   dream by comparison just point it at your database files and ever
>>   configuration you made is instantly available again.

> Just curious: I went to the web site and didn't quite get the real pupose of
> that program. What does one use it for?

It appears to be one of those "mind mapping" things, except that the
nodes of the map can be made up of any (possibly Web-based)
information, not just words you type in yourself. I must say the Web
site would be greatly helped by screen shots; although the authors are
in information management they're not handling it very well
themselves!

(As my mind is incapable of being mapped by anything in the normal
four dimensions, I keep well away from such packages ;)

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Re: complaint: thebat portability

[Roman Katzer]

On Sunday, February 03, 2002, 07:10:07, ::Andrew:: wrote:
>   For those of you familiar with Zoot (www.zootsoftware.com) it's a
>   dream by comparison just point it at your database files and ever
>   configuration you made is instantly available again.

Just curious: I went to the web site and didn't quite get the real pupose of
that program. What does one use it for?

Roman


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Re[2]: Beta feedback

[L Carlson]

Hello Michal,

den 3 februari 2002, 17:12, you wrote:

MK> B-stok/PL, Sunday, February 3, 2002

MK> Hello L,

MK> On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, at 16:40:06 (which was 16:40 where I live) you wrote:

LC>> Wish List  : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
LC>> BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/

MK> I  think both of them are now officially existing under same URL. Shouldn't
MK> the footer be changed?



It's possible, I only copied the footer from a message in the beta list.

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Re: Beta feedback

[Michal Kosinski]

B-stok/PL, Sunday, February 3, 2002

Hello L,

On Sun, 3 Feb 2002, at 16:40:06 (which was 16:40 where I live) you wrote:

LC> Wish List  : http://wish.thebat.dutaint.com
LC> BugTraq: https://bt.ritlabs.com/

I  think both of them are now officially existing under same URL. Shouldn't
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Re: Beta feedback

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On Sunday, February 3, 2002 at 15:26:58 +, Headless [H] wrote
concerning 'Beta feedback':
...
H> Is there a beta mailing list? I have a few comments/questions on
H> the current beta and a few feature requests.

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Re: Beta feedback

[L Carlson]

Hello Headless,

den 3 februari 2002, 16:26, you wrote:

H> Is there a beta mailing list? I have a few comments/questions on the
H> current beta and a few feature requests.


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Beta feedback

[Headless]

Is there a beta mailing list? I have a few comments/questions on the
current beta and a few feature requests.


Headless


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Re: Reply to - no quoted material appears

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On Sunday, February 3, 2002 at 08:33:24 -0600, Sam [S] wrote
concerning 'Reply to - no quoted material appears':
...
S> I do not have my wheel set up for the shortcut to F4, but I don't
S> see where that would make a difference. Would it?

No it doesn't make a difference. It's only for convenience.

S> Normally, hitting the reply button gives me the Reply template with
S> all text quoted, and F4 will give me either a blank Reply template
S> or with whatever text was selected. With HTML message, both are
S> blank.

That's really strange because I can't reproduce this behaviour. Maybe
the message you're replying to is a HTML-only message that doesn't
have a text part. But I don't know if that should make a difference. I
never receive such messages so I can't test it.

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Re: Reply to - no quoted material appears

[Sam]

Hi David,

I normally select the text to be quoted and then hit F4. When the
original message was in HTML, I get the reply template but no quoted
text. I do not seem to have this problem when replying to non-HTML
text. I do not have my wheel set up for the shortcut to F4, but I don't
see where that would make a difference. Would it?  Normally, hitting
the reply button gives me the Reply template with all text quoted, and F4
will give me either a blank Reply template or with whatever text was
selected. With HTML message, both are blank. (this reply was to your
message by selecting the text to be quoted and hitting F4; works
perfectly)

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> I never experience this because I never use the reply button. I always
> select the text I want to quote and press my middle mouse button
> (which is mapped as F4).



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Re: Log on to The Bat!

[wee David]

Hi Can,


> enable the "configuration" toolbar from the "view" menu select the
> icon with the "key & lock" picture (3rd one).. are you searching this
> ? let me know pls..

I followed your instructions, and managed to do another way, thanks.
My problem was that for some reason the log-on came up - I hadn't
tried to password protect an account - and I couldn't remember the
account name.

It's all sorted now.

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Re: Reply to - no quoted material appears

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Hello Sam,

On Sunday, February 3, 2002 at 07:24:25 -0600, Sam [S] wrote
concerning 'Reply to - no quoted material appears':
...
S> I have noticed this problem too, but not with the tbudl. What I
S> notice is if I reply to a message which was sent to me in HTML, it
S> does not quote the text in the reply. I do use the %Quotes macro,
S> but it doesn't seem to work with the HTML messages.

I never experience this because I never use the reply button. I always
select the text I want to quote and press my middle mouse button
(which is mapped as F4).

That way you'll never have a full-quote reply like your reply to
Carren Stuart, and you'll never encounter quoting-problems with
HTML-messages.

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Re: Reply to - no quoted material appears

[Sam]

I have noticed this problem too, but not with the tbudl.  What I
notice is if I reply to a message which was sent to me in HTML, it
does not quote the text in the reply.  I do use the %Quotes macro, but
it doesn't seem to work with the HTML messages.

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> Hi,

> I have an intermittent problem which is driving me nuts. Sometimes
> when I reply to a message (or a post here) the editor comes up as
> usual but with no quoted material from the message I am replying to.

> Most of the time this doesn't happen but every now and then it does
> and there seems to be no way for me to get back the original message
> into the editor window. If anyone actually understands what I mean,
> why does this happen? There is nothing I have changed anywhere and I
> am replying to the message exactly the same way I always do. It
> doesn't make sense!

> Thanks in advance,


> Carren



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Re[3]: suggestion for WinGate

[Charlie (ceejay)]

Hi Dave,
 On Sun, 03 Feb 2002, at 12:42:48 [GMT +] you wrote:

DC> This has got to be a daft question ... but why not just use
DC> ZoneAlarm/Pro? It does exactly what it says on the tin ;-)

It's a long and involved story Dave, the short version is this: I had
been using ZAP on my Win98 system for some time with no problems. I
upgraded to XP, and the problems started. ZAP is not, despite Zone
Labs claims, completely compatible with all XP set ups. Problems are
particularly noticeable on XP + dial up systems. Have also experienced
difficulties in setting up the Tiny FW with the local network, hence
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Re[2]: complaint: thebat portability

[::Andrew::]

Hello Alastair,

Sunday, February 03, 2002, 10:32:17 AM, you wrote:

AS> Somewhat baffled by all this ... you're missing Tools | Backup and
AS> Tools | Restore which do all this for you (they back up all the
AS> accounts' properties and so on into one file which can easily be hived
AS> off to CD-R in case of disaster).

although thinking about it the zoot approach of holding config info in
the database files location still seems more elegant. You don't have
to think about back-ups and restoring because your database is a
constant live back-up which can be plugged back into zoot simply by
repointing at it.

back-up and restore is still by the sounds of it a lot better than
what I was doing...

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Re[2]: complaint: thebat portability

[::Andrew::]

Hello Alastair,

Sunday, February 03, 2002, 10:32:17 AM, you wrote:

AS> Somewhat baffled by all this ... you're missing Tools | Backup and
AS> Tools | Restore which do all this for you (they back up all the
AS> accounts' properties and so on into one file which can easily be hived
AS> off to CD-R in case of disaster).

humm well that sounds better.. better than regediting etc (which was
still a step-up from where I was). Thanks for the tip.

Andrew

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Re[6]: WinGate and The Bat

[Charlie (ceejay)]

Hi Dave,
 On Sun, 03 Feb 2002, at 12:27:48 [GMT +] you wrote:

DC> Regarding your first point, I have no idea as I don't require that
DC> feature and have no interest in messing around with what works.

Ok.

DC> Regarding point two, I had WGM already and had been using it for 18
DC> months or so without broadband or proxy, ie on a standard dialup
DC> connection. I am happy with how it works, so again, for me at least, I
DC> see no good reason to change to The Bat! server mode. If WGM screws up
DC> at any point, then I will investigate changing over.

That sounds a good reason to me Dave. Like you I have a tendency to
stay with tried and tested methods too, why go looking unnecessary
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Re[2]: suggestion for WinGate

[Dave Conroy]

Hi Charlie,

This has got to be a daft question ... but why not just use
ZoneAlarm/Pro? It does exactly what it says on the tin ;-)
 
With best wishes,

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Sunday, February 03, 2002, 9:22:09 AM, Charlie wrote:

Charlie (ceejay)> Hi Can,
Charlie (ceejay)>  On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, at 18:49:59 [GMT +] you wrote:

JS>>> Problems with WinGate:

CBC>> i used WinGate for some months (if we are talking about "DeerField's).
CBC>> the best way is to use no proxies.. Install it on the server and
CBC>> install "Wingate Internet Connection Client" to other machines and do
CBC>> not make any modifications to clients, that proggy will handle
CBC>> everything and your machine will work just like dialup connection
CBC>> without any proxy, ip setting etc.
Charlie (ceejay)> [...]

Charlie (ceejay)> Majority of opinion received suggested using ICS which I am now 
doing.
Charlie (ceejay)> It is working well (except for a firewall problem), most importantly 
I
Charlie (ceejay)> have no mail problems.

Charlie (ceejay)> As a additional point of interest, I asked the support guys at
Charlie (ceejay)> deerfield.com if they had tested WinGate with the TB! I was rather
Charlie (ceejay)> surprised when they relied and said that they'd never heard of The
Charlie (ceejay)> Bat. Need I say that I've pointed then in the right direction
Charlie (ceejay)> (http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/) in an attempt to educate them!


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Re[2]: WinGate and The Bat

[Charlie (ceejay)]

Hi David,
 On Sun, 03 Feb 2002, at 11:51:59 [GMT +] you wrote:

Cc>> As it happens that is the option I've now chosen to use David, as
Cc>> you'd expect it is also working flawlessly with TB! on my system.
Cc>> A fully operational and effective firewall is another matter
Cc>> though, I've still got a little work to do in that direction.

DvZ> No that's right. Port mapping is only to get certain programs to work
DvZ> on the clients. Like ICQ and on-line gaming for instance. If you want
DvZ> to set up a firewall you need to use external apps.

Port mapping falls into the black art category so far as I'm concerned
David, afraid I've got a little studying to do. I understand the
principle, but need to learn the detail.

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Re[2]: Log on to The Bat!

[Can Burak Cilingir]

wee David, 03.02.2002 13:50
wD> Managed to find it by trial and error. Still don't remember
wD> setting this.

enable the "configuration" toolbar from the "view" menu select the
icon with the "key & lock" picture (3rd one).. are you searching this
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Re[5]: WinGate and The Bat

[Dave Conroy]

Hi Charlie,

Regarding your first point, I have no idea as I don't require that
feature and have no interest in messing around with what works.

Regarding point two, I had WGM already and had been using it for 18
months or so without broadband or proxy, ie on a standard dialup
connection. I am happy with how it works, so again, for me at least, I
see no good reason to change to The Bat! server mode. If WGM screws up
at any point, then I will investigate changing over.

BTW, I mentioned BT Broadband as some of the proxy's I looked at don't
like the USB connection that BT use. PPPShar is very happy with it and
they give great support too ... they're a tiny Indian company (and
PPPShare is a tiny proxy that really illustrates that less is often
more).

Glad to hear you're up an running anyway.

With best wishes,

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Sunday, February 03, 2002, 9:40:08 AM, Charlie wrote:

Charlie (ceejay)> Just wondering how you'd get on if clients on the network have mail
Charlie (ceejay)> accounts that do not reside on the Host access providers mail 
servers?
Charlie (ceejay)> Also was there any particular reason why you went with Workgroupmail
Charlie (ceejay)> in preference to using TB! in server mode?


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Re: WinGate and The Bat

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Hello Charlie,

On Sunday, February 3, 2002 at 09:27:48 +, Charlie (ceejay) [C]
wrote concerning 'WinGate and The Bat':


I'm sorry I didn't respond to you earlier, but that's because of the
wedding of our Prince Willem-Alexander and Maxima yesterday.


DvZ>> It works flawless with TB! and all other programs I use. You can
DvZ>> even do port mapping.

Cc> As it happens that is the option I've now chosen to use David, as
Cc> you'd expect it is also working flawlessly with TB! on my system.
Cc> A fully operational and effective firewall is another matter
Cc> though, I've still got a little work to do in that direction.

No that's right. Port mapping is only to get certain programs to work
on the clients. Like ICQ and on-line gaming for instance. If you want
to set up a firewall you need to use external apps.

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Re: Log on to The Bat!

[wee David]

> For some reason, log on to The Bat! now appears when I try to open
> the program. I don't remember setting this, and I can't get in to my
> main account or my messages. Is there any way I can retrieve this
> situation without losing all my data?

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Re: complaint: thebat portability

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Hello ::Andrew::,

03. februar 2002, 7:10:07, you wrote:

A>   Don't get me wrong I'm a great fan of TB! but if I had one wish it
A>   would be to make TB! recognise it's won mail databases more easily.
A>   I've had to re-install winxp several times recently which has
A>   brought home just how much of a pain the current system is.

It's pretty simple to port The Bat: start RegEdit, go to
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT and export the complete folder The
Bat!. Backup your complete The Bat installation (all folders,
including all Bat's files - thebat.exe, tbmapi.dll...), reformat the
hard drive, restore The Bat. If you didn't put it in the same path it
used before, fix the paths in the REG file, otherwise just import it
back to registry. Now run The Bat. Everything is just as it was before
the backup.

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Re: Reply to - no quoted material appears

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello Carren,

03. februar 2002, 2:34:57, you wrote:

CS> I have an intermittent problem which is driving me nuts. Sometimes
CS> when I reply to a message (or a post here) the editor comes up as
CS> usual but with no quoted material from the message I am replying to.

Do you use any of the quoting macros? They may have this side-effect
sometimes...

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Re: complaint: thebat portability

[Alastair Scott]

On 03 February 2002 at 06:10 ::Andrew:: wrote:

> Hello tbudl,

>   Don't get me wrong I'm a great fan of TB! but if I had one wish it
>   would be to make TB! recognise it's won mail databases more easily.
>   I've had to re-install winxp several times recently which has
>   brought home just how much of a pain the current system is.

>   1) Point TB! at the mail folder in 'My docs' (because I keep my docs
>   on a seperate drive when I reinstall it's unaffected).
>   2) Create a stupid test account just so I can get into TB! then
>   delete it (this step may not be necessary but I've always doneit his
>   way).
>   3) Try and remember the names I'd given for each account I have was
>   it yahoo, yahoo.com, yahoo.co.uk that sort of thing.
>   4) Try and remember the order in which I like those accounts to
>   display - subconciously I'm used to them being in a given order and
>   reach for them there now.
>   5) Change the view so that the account tree is tall and reaches top
>   to bottom on the left - just my pref.
>   6) Go through all accounts checking user names for several accounts
>   I have user names like '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' that bat when it
>   recovers the configs for the folders etc always drops the
>   @domain.com bit which means I have to double check all accounts.
>   7) all done ... but there really should be something easier.

Somewhat baffled by all this ... you're missing Tools | Backup and
Tools | Restore which do all this for you (they back up all the
accounts' properties and so on into one file which can easily be hived
off to CD-R in case of disaster).

Unfortunately the "test account" problem is still present - you have
to create a dummy account before you get to the menus and can do the
restore. I've put a feature request in to fix this (which is trivially
easy!), though.

Alastair


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Re: complaint: thebat portability

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Hi ::Andrew::,
On Sunday, February 3, 2002 at 06:10:07 [GMT +], you wrote:

A> Don't get me wrong I'm a great fan of TB! but if I had one wish it
A> would be to make TB! recognise it's won mail databases more easily.
A> I've had to re-install winxp several times recently which has brought
A> home just how much of a pain the current system is.

I have both my TB! installation directory and my mail base on my D:
drive. TB! uses 2 places to store its configuration, in the registry,
HKCU/Software/RIT and in some INI files in the mail directory. When I
plan on re-installing my OS, I backup the HKCU/Software/RIT key.

All you have to do then is to import the .reg file to get your Bat back.
I admit that this is not an easy solution, but I like it, because it's
fast and reliable.

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Re[4]: WinGate and The Bat

[Charlie (ceejay)]

Hi Dave,
 On Fri, 01 Feb 2002, at 23:28:15 [GMT +] you wrote:

DC> Hi Charlie,

DC> I'm using Workgroupmail as a mail server and PPPShar as proxy server
DC> for small Win2000 network. Very simple, searched around for a while
DC> and tried lots of different stuff. This is the best combo I found for
DC> sharing broadband connect ... works with BT Broadband as well as
DC> conventional dialup. Bat! has no problems.

Just wondering how you'd get on if clients on the network have mail
accounts that do not reside on the Host access providers mail servers?
Also was there any particular reason why you went with Workgroupmail
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Re: The Bat vs. 1.54?

[Alastair Scott]

On 03 February 2002 at 07:17 Nick wrote:

> All I can say is that the wait will have been worth while... and
> shouldn't be too much longer. I have to agree with Dierk on this one
> point, and that is the importance of not releasing the next version
> until the major bugs have been resolved. The problem at times seems to
> be the addition of new features without resolving some of the old bugs,
> which results in further delays before the next release.

> Hopefully that cycle is near an end.

... because the authors were flattened by the beta testers ;)

There _was_ a problem with new features being added at too great a
rate but, following a big fuss over Christmas, there's now good solid
bug-fixing going on.

Certainly, since about beta 25, I've felt no need to go back to
version 1.53.

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Re: The Bat vs. 1.54?

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Hello Nick!

On Sunday, February 3, 2002 at 8:17:15 AM you wrote:

> Yes, I would agree with you that "WIR" was a very poor answer, or at
> least not the one you were looking for.

I am not quite sure but the question comes up once in a while and all
we *can* say - and WIR, I think, does it quite good - is that at the
moment a new version shouldn't be released.

May I remind you, it was us - the users - telling RITLabs to not
release a Christmas version (thought I've told it just a few days ago)
because it would greatly harm TB!'s reputation. Just think of good
programmes that have been harmed by too early releases (Netscape's
Navigator/Communicator for one).

>From what I can see in the current beta TB! is nearing a release, but
there are still at least two major bugs to straighten out (optimising
memory handling for the RTFV under Win9x and some quirks with the CC).

Another thing that has to be said, RITLabs has changed the
developmental environment during the 1.54 beta series from Delphi 2 to
Delphi 6 opening up a new can of worms.

That is the long version of WIR.

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Re[2]: WinGate and The Bat

[Charlie (ceejay)]

Hi David,
 On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, at 09:54:44 [GMT +] you wrote:

Cc>> Has anyone on the list any experience of using WinGate with The
Cc>> Bat?

DvZ> I've used Winroute for a while but it had problems with my local mail
DvZ> server. So now I have Microsoft Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
DvZ> enabled on my server. The only thing you have to do is enable DHCP on
DvZ> the clients e.g. let the clients obtain a IP address automatically.

DvZ> It works flawless with TB! and all other programs I use. You can even
DvZ> do port mapping.

As it happens that is the option I've now chosen to use David, as
you'd expect it is also working flawlessly with TB! on my system. A
fully operational and effective firewall is another matter though,
I've still got a little work to do in that direction.

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Re: suggestion for WinGate

[Charlie (ceejay)]

Hi Can,
 On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, at 18:49:59 [GMT +] you wrote:

JS>> Problems with WinGate:

CBC> i used WinGate for some months (if we are talking about "DeerField's).
CBC> the best way is to use no proxies.. Install it on the server and
CBC> install "Wingate Internet Connection Client" to other machines and do
CBC> not make any modifications to clients, that proggy will handle
CBC> everything and your machine will work just like dialup connection
CBC> without any proxy, ip setting etc.
[...]

Majority of opinion received suggested using ICS which I am now doing.
It is working well (except for a firewall problem), most importantly I
have no mail problems.

As a additional point of interest, I asked the support guys at
deerfield.com if they had tested WinGate with the TB! I was rather
surprised when they relied and said that they'd never heard of The
Bat. Need I say that I've pointed then in the right direction
(http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/) in an attempt to educate them!

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www.turnet.co.uk
Wales (UK)
TB! ver:1.53d / Platform:Windows XP Home, Build 2600 / Spec:Plll 650Mhz 320MB RAM 



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