Re: square brackets and rfc822

2002-04-19 Thread Clive Taylor

18 April 2002, 19:14, you wrote:

 After that, I took steps to ensure that those
 reading my messages could verify their legitimacy.

I've just opened the certificate on your email and all it tells me is
that it's valid. So what? If I'm suspicious about your post then I can
get more information from the headers of your email than from any
'anonymous' certificate, as anyone who has kill-filed the participants
in a newsgroup flame war can testify.

My 2p worth is that these validated sigs and PGP garbage are just not
relevant in a non-critical situation like this list (I'm not
denigrating the value of the information here - just the importance
being attached to the carrier of the message).

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The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Liviu FEODOROV (RAL Computers)

Hi all

I want to use TB and Norton Antivirus, and i don't know how :-(
can you help me ?

thx in advance
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Re: Big review of TB! in UK PC-PRO magaine...

2002-04-19 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Mark,

 PC-PRO magazine, June 2002 Issue.

Which is April 2002 where I live... ;-)

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Re: Big review of TB! in UK PC-PRO magaine...

2002-04-19 Thread Carren Stuart

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On Friday, 19 April 2002 at 6:10 p.m. Mark wrote: 

MRH I've just finished flicking through a local copy of PC-PRO magazine
(a
MRH UK newstand IT magzine) and was pleasantly surprised to see TB!
MRH reviewed in some depth and with favourable consequence.


Interesting ... is there an on-line version of the magazine by any
chance? Or a website? I would be interested in reading the article but
I have never seen that magazine on sale here in NZ.

Great to see some coverage of *real* email programs though! :-)


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Re: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Georg A. Krohg

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LF I want to use TB and Norton Antivirus, and i don't know how :-(
LF can you help me ?

I've been using NAV 2002 (and TB) for some months. There is no special
considerations for TB. All emails are being checked (if you want to)
going in and out, for any email client I have tried (TB, Pegasus,
Outlook). There is no need to configure any kind of plugin for TB.

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PC Pro Approves!

2002-04-19 Thread William Moore

Hello TBUDL

  For those in the UK, the June issue of PC Pro carries a great article
  by Davey Winder (their internet/email guru) extolling the virtues of
  TB! It's over two pages long - I can't remember a longer one devoted
  to one product. He was so impressed he bought a licence after using
  his review copy for a week.

  The magazine goes on sale next week and the article should be
  available on the PC Pro website www.pcpro.co.uk
  
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Re[2]: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Liviu FEODOROV (RAL Computers)

hmm.

i used TB1.60c anv NAV2001

NAV doens't check my e-mails :(


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LF I want to use TB and Norton Antivirus, and i don't know how :-(
LF can you help me ?

GAK I've been using NAV 2002 (and TB) for some months. There is no special
GAK considerations for TB. All emails are being checked (if you want to)
GAK going in and out, for any email client I have tried (TB, Pegasus,
GAK Outlook). There is no need to configure any kind of plugin for TB.

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Re[3]: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Georg A. Krohg

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LF i used TB1.60c anv NAV2001
LF NAV doens't check my e-mails :(

Never tried NAV 2001, and I used 2000 only with Outlook. Again without
problems - with the anti-virus solution, that is...8-).

At least in the 2002 version, NAV seems to have liberated itself
from the email client, and just listens for email going in and out.

Not much help I'm afraid. Maybe an upgrade will solve the problem? NAV
2002 worked just fine right out-of-the-box on my system. Easy
configuration and setup, where the default is to check emails in both
directions.

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Re: Big review of TB! in UK PC-PRO magaine...

2002-04-19 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Mark,

@19 April 2002, 07:10:11 +0100 Mark R Harding wrote in
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 Since Marck Pearlstone is mentioned in the article I'm assuming he
 and possibly some others would already know about this but in case
 anyone else doesn't, it makes a change to see an in-depth coverage
 of an email client other than Outlook.

I did know and was contacted several times by Davey Winder, the
author, who is now a very happy TB user. He loves it!

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Re: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Geoff Lane

On 19 April 2002, 09:56, Liviu FEODOROV (RAL Computers) wrote:

 i used TB1.60c anv NAV2001

 NAV doens't check my e-mails :(
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I'm also using TB1.60c and NAV2001 and NAV checks my emails. Have you
configured NAV to show an animated icon in the System Tray? If not,
you won't see any evidence of checking. I've posted some information
on how to configure TB and NAV that you can use to check your config.
The URL is http://www.gjctech.co.uk/misc/batnav.html

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Re: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Geoff Lane

On 19 April 2002, 09:18, Liviu FEODOROV (RAL Computers) wrote:

 I want to use TB and Norton Antivirus, and i don't know how :-(
 can you help me ?
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Which version of NAV? If it's NAV 2000 or 2001, my page at
http://www.gjctech.co.uk/misc/batnav.html may help.

However, if it's NAV 2002, you should be aware that Symantec removed
the necessary mechanism (the virtual POP3 server) with that version,
preferring to support only standard (e.g. Outlook Express) MUAs.
This means that you must use on-access scanning. Unfortunately, that
will stop TB in its tracks whenever NAV detects a virus in the
temporary file that TB creates when downloading mail. To get around
this, you'll need to use the Dispatcher to delete the infected message
from the server. If you manually download your mail, this shouldn't
cause too much trouble. However, it does mean that you cannot rely on
unattended mail download if you use NAV 2002.

HTH,

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PC Pro Approves!

2002-04-19 Thread Dave Conroy

Hi William,

Friday, April 19, 2002, 9:44:31 AM, you wrote:

WM   For those in the UK, the June issue of PC Pro carries a
WM   great article by Davey Winder (their internet/email guru)

Yes, Winder is good and well respected so there should be a knock
on in TB! sales. Be particularly interested to know what he felt
about the interface and usability.

WM The magazine goes on sale next week and the article on
WM should be available on the PC Pro website www.pcpro.co.uk
  
I had a good scout 'round the site but couldn't find it. I guess
they'll wait to put current stuff on the site 'til retail copies
have moved from the shelves. Anyone know different let me know
and save me a trip to the shops tomorrow!
 
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Re: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Geoff,
On Friday, April 19, 2002 at 10:08:34 [GMT +0100], you wrote:

GL However, if it's NAV 2002, you should be aware that Symantec removed
GL the necessary mechanism (the virtual POP3 server) with that version,
GL preferring to support only standard (e.g. Outlook Express) MUAs.

This is not true. Symantec incorporated a kind of transparent checking
in NAV 2002. They intercept communication with ports 25 (SMTP) and 110
(POP3) if the user configured the scanning of emails. There is no need
to change anything else in your MUA.

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Re: PC Pro Approves!

2002-04-19 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Marck,

 2 quibles - Lack of customizable toolbars, but he believes that will
 be addressed for v2 was one.

Yes, it is quite unbelievable that such a good product as TB doesn't
have customizable toolbar(s) yet.

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Re: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Geoff Lane

On 19 April 2002, 10:51, Lars Geiger wrote:

 This is not true. Symantec incorporated a kind of transparent checking
 in NAV 2002. They intercept communication with ports 25 (SMTP) and 110
 (POP3) if the user configured the scanning of emails. There is no need
 to change anything else in your MUA.
---

I can only go by what Symantec UK told me. At the time I asked them,
I was seeking to purchase additional copies of NAV and asked their
technical pre-sales for advice in choosing between NAV Corporate
Edition and NAV 2002.

My situation is that I have a separate mail server running on a
computer that provides mail, DNS, and other services. That computer
runs completely unattended -- sometimes its console goes unviewed
for days. That server appears as a generic POP3/SMTP client to the
outside world and so is akin to TB wrt AV protection. Obviously, I
can't risk that service stopping dead in its tracks because of an
incoming infected message.

They (Symantec) told me that NAV 2002 scans access to the hard drives
and both mail ports. However, they also told me that it would stop TB
dead in its tracks because you could not configure NAV to
automatically quarantine or delete without human intervention just
infected mail. In telling me this, they turned down sales, so I
believed them and went to a lot of trouble to obtain old stock of
NAV 2001.

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Re[3]: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Lynna Lunsford

Hi Michael,

Friday, April 19, 2002, 2:50:19 AM, you wrote:

Michael T. Ashby What about with Trend Micro's PC-Cillin or OfficeScan? Does anyone
Michael T. Ashby know if there's anything special needed so that all of TB's mail is
Michael T. Ashby scanned?

Michael T. Ashby Also, what's the story on the plug-ins?


I am new to the list, and new to TB! I use the AVG anti-virus
available at www.grisoft.com its very good and free. I did download
and install the AVG plugin from The Bat web site. I have already had
AVG catch and quarantine one virus that was sent to me in the few
days that I have been using TB. I previously used McAffee but when the
subscription ran out In opted for AVG, also I have tried Norton 2002
but I had problems with it on WINXP and some other programs I was
running like PGP. Sorry cant specifically answer your question but
offer the above alternative.

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Re: PC Pro Approves!

2002-04-19 Thread William Moore

Hello Dave

Thank you for your email dated Friday, April 19, 2002, 10:33:58 AM, in which you wrote:


DC Be particularly interested to know what he felt
DC about the interface and usability.

To be honest (and biased) he's over the moon about everything except the
mail ticker and the default font

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Re[2]: PC Pro Approves!

2002-04-19 Thread Lynna Lunsford

Hello William,

Friday, April 19, 2002, 3:09:33 AM, you wrote:


DC Be particularly interested to know what he felt
DC about the interface and usability.

William Moore To be honest (and biased) he's over the moon about everything except the
William Moore mail ticker and the default font

   I found the Ticker could be turned off ( hide ) and that even the
   system font is configurable. I tried a larger font size then
   returned to the default.


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version d

2002-04-19 Thread Lynna Lunsford

Hi ,


  I was reading over the archives and noticed a earlier discussion on
  version d. I just downloaded TB a few days ago and paid the
  registration fee today. I have version c, ( still waiting on my
  registration code to arrive). Is it possible to get
  version d in English? Sorry I do not speak Dutch and I think it
  was a dutch web site link that was posted.
  

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Re: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Disabato

Friday, April 19, 2002, 5:50:19 AM, Michael scribbled:

MTA What about with Trend Micro's PC-Cillin or OfficeScan? Does anyone
MTA know if there's anything special needed so that all of TB's mail is
MTA scanned?

I'm using PC-Cillin 2000 with no problems. It scans all POP3 mail
coming in without a plug-in. I've seen no problems except one. It
detected the KLEZ virus and deleted it, but did not delete the mail
from the server. I had to log in through PINE an kill the message.

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Re: PC Pro Approves!

2002-04-19 Thread Allie C Martin

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Lynna Lunsford [LL] wrote:
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LL I found the Ticker could be turned off ( hide ) and that even the
LL system font is configurable. I tried a larger font size then
LL returned to the default.

Just a couple tips the veterans already know about... :-)

The tickers main advantages aren't so readily evident. For those new
users and participants to the list, it may be useful to note that
unlike the animated bat icon that will animate if there are any unread
messages in any of your accounts the ticker can:

i) Show you only those new messages that have arrived in particular
folders. You can also configure it to show unread messages that are
below a certain age. Yes, the scrolling can be distracting and this is
why I use a small font and keep the ticker in the lower left hand
corner of my screen and about 1.5 inches wide. :-)

Also..

ii) if double clicked on, open a folder view containing all messages
which it's displaying. If you double click on the ticker and only one
message is displayed without a message list, just go to the View menu
and enable 'Message List'. This view window has it's own configurable
list settings. The 'folder' column in the message list is particularly
useful in this view since it will tell you where each new message
really resides, i.e., which account and which folder in the account.

I personally read most of my mail using the ticker browser window. I
thread the message list by folder and in descending order. What this
does is group the messages by folder and then threads them in
descending order of date. Really a great alternative to browsing on a
per folder basis and among all the other already read messages.

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Re: PC Pro Approves!

2002-04-19 Thread Bernhard Kohl

Hello Marck,


MDP Then again, while I think that custom toolbars will be both useful and
MDP welcome, I think about how often I use a mouse to control TB and find
MDP it's not a lot. E-mail is a very keyboard-centric activity. I seldom
MDP use the mouse when in a read, reply, write, send cycle.

I totally agree that mail business is very keyboard centric. So, I
wonder if there isn't a way to enhance this.

I just worked with the newsreader Gravity and I'm very impressed by
the way one can navigate with keystrokes.

Navigating in panes

  It's very comfortable pressing the keys 1, 2 or 3 for changing
  the window focus. This seems very superior to the TAB and
  SHIFT+TAB solution.

  May I ask if this can be realised in TB! too? The keys are not in use
  in the folder and text panes and in the thread pane they start only
  the quick search (I could live with the loss of quickly searching for
  1, 2 or 3).



Closing threads

  I know there is a way to close *all* threads in TB! with
  SHIFT+CTRL+* regardeless which mail in a thread has the focus.

  But closing only a *single* thread with - is only possible when
  the first mail in a thread has the focus.

  Here too, Gravity seems superior, as - will close a *single*
  thread (and leaving others expanded) on *any* mail in the thread.

  Is there a way to achieve this in TB!?


Besides this (and other flaws I will find in the future ;-) TB! is an
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Re[2]: PC Pro Approves!

2002-04-19 Thread Lynna Lunsford

Hi Allie,

Friday, April 19, 2002, 3:35:01 AM, you wrote:



Allie C Martin Just a couple tips the veterans already know about... :-)

Thanks for the tips, I will experiment with them and see how it goes.
I don't suppose the color of the ticker background and text is
configurable?  I may have missed it, would be nice if it could be
changed. : )

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Re: PC Pro Approves!

2002-04-19 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Lynna,

@19 April 2002, 03:16:56 -0800 (12:16 UK time) Lynna Lunsford wrote in
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William Moore To be honest (and biased) he's over the moon about
William Moore everything except the mail ticker and the default font

(... for the mail ticker)

I found the Ticker could be turned off ( hide )

So did he...

 and that even the system font is configurable. I tried a larger font
 size then  returned to the default.

He ended up customizing the ticker font, setting it for 30 minute-old
high priority messages, after which he loved feature that too!

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Re[2]: PC Pro Approves!

2002-04-19 Thread Lynna Lunsford

Hi Marck,

Friday, April 19, 2002, 3:49:44 AM, you wrote:


Marck D Pearlstone So did he...

 and that even the system font is configurable. I tried a larger font
 size then  returned to the default.

Marck D Pearlstone He ended up customizing the ticker font, setting it for 30 
minute-old
Marck D Pearlstone high priority messages, after which he loved feature that too!

I see that now, and found that you can customize the color of the
font, but not the background color. I can see, that after playing
around with it some, that it is a cool feature. My only pick would
be that I would like to have a option to change the background color.
But then it would be perfect and we cant have that can we ? : )

btw, I thought about sending in a suggestion to Lockergome about
The Bat the only thing is their subscriber base is so large that
when people start hitting the web site and doing downloads that some
servers cant handle it. Happened today, but If the ritlabs server
could handle the strain, it would sure give TB some exposure here in
the U.S. What do you think? Should I ? ( send it to Lockegnome?)
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Re: PC Pro Approves!

2002-04-19 Thread Allie C Martin

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Lynna Lunsford [LL] wrote:
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LL Thanks for the tips, I will experiment with them and see how it
LL goes. I don't suppose the color of the ticker background and text
LL is configurable? I may have missed it, would be nice if it could
LL be changed. : )

I should have said in my last message to right click the ticker to see
the configuration choices. It was just a knee jerk thing to say, 'and
select properties.' ;-)

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Re[2]: PC Pro Approves!

2002-04-19 Thread Lynna Lunsford


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Hi Allie,

Friday, April 19, 2002, 4:16:51 AM, you wrote:


Allie C Martin I should have said in my last message to right click the ticker to see
Allie C Martin the configuration choices. It was just a knee jerk thing to say, 'and
Allie C Martin select properties.' ;-)

Thanks, found it!   : )

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Re: PC Pro Approves!

2002-04-19 Thread Allie C Martin

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Lynna Lunsford [LL] wrote:
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LL Thanks for the tips, I will experiment with them and see how it
LL goes. I don't suppose the color of the ticker background and text
LL is configurable? I may have missed it, would be nice if it could
LL be changed. : )

Only the font can be changed. Right click the ticker and select its
properties to see how it can be configured.

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AV Plug-ins vs. Not

2002-04-19 Thread Michael Disabato

Folks,

I've seen the discussions concerning anti-virus plug-ins, and I'm
wondering what advantage that has over a program that monitors all
incoming traffic.

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Re: AV Plug-ins vs. Not

2002-04-19 Thread Lynna Lunsford

Hi Michael,

Friday, April 19, 2002, 4:22:44 AM, you wrote:

Michael Disabato Folks,

Michael Disabato I've seen the discussions concerning anti-virus plug-ins, and I'm
Michael Disabato wondering what advantage that has over a program that monitors all
Michael Disabato incoming traffic.

Michael Disabato Mike

Actually AVG has a resident shield that does monitor all traffic
Internet or otherwise. Even without the plug in it would work,
theoretically anyway. According to info at the grisoft.com web,
every time you access a file whether it on a disk or during a download
resident shield is checking / monitoring / runs in the background.
I don't know the advantages over the plug in, I am using both, I
figured it TB web site had it available for download they did so for a
reason. But as a newbie I have limited knowledge on the need /reasoning of
it.  All I know is it works for me.

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Re: version d

2002-04-19 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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@19 April 2002, 12:36:39 +0100 David Elliott wrote in
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 The only 'd' version that I know of is SecureBat!. all the others
 appear to be 'c'. (I could be wrong.)

You are g. 'd' implements the new interface for Imad's PGP 6.5.8
custom TB plug-in. Also, I've seen someone using and 'e' release today
too.

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Re: PC Pro Approves!

2002-04-19 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Lynna,

@19 April 2002, 04:17:04 -0800 (13:17 UK time) Lynna Lunsford wrote in
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 What do you think? Should I ? ( send it to Lockegnome?)

I think so - there are a number of alternate download servers
available from the download site.

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Re: version d

2002-04-19 Thread David Elliott

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Hail Marck

On 19 April 2002 at 13:53:14 +0100 (which was 13:53 where I live) Marck D
Pearlstone graced us with these comments

DE The only 'd' version that I know of is SecureBat!. all the others appear
DE to be 'c'. (I could be wrong.)

MDP You are g. 'd' implements the new interface for Imad's PGP 6.5.8
MDP custom TB plug-in.

Ok but it is not on public release yet.

MDP Also, I've seen someone using and 'e' release today too.

And the only place I can find that is www.batmail.de. It is not even on the
official site yet.

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Re[2]: version d

2002-04-19 Thread Lynna Lunsford

Hi David,

Friday, April 19, 2002, 5:28:11 AM, you wrote:

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David Elliott Hail Marck

David Elliott On 19 April 2002 at 13:53:14 +0100 (which was 13:53 where I live) Marck 
D
David Elliott Pearlstone graced us with these comments

DE The only 'd' version that I know of is SecureBat!. all the others appear
DE to be 'c'. (I could be wrong.)

MDP You are g. 'd' implements the new interface for Imad's PGP 6.5.8
MDP custom TB plug-in.

David Elliott Ok but it is not on public release yet.

MDP Also, I've seen someone using and 'e' release today too.

David Elliott And the only place I can find that is www.batmail.de. It is not even on 
the
David Elliott official site yet.


I found the it:   18 04. 02  The bat! E-mail Client, aktuelle. EXE-Datei (v1. 60e, 
nur. EXE, score18 04. 2002 )
Alas, but the link does not work. This was on the dutch site you
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Re: Can I use %TONAME in the Subject line? (Cont'd)

2002-04-19 Thread Costas Papadopoulos

Hello Marck,

Thursday, April 18, 2002, 10:56:50 PM, you wrote:

 You're  using  the latest TB, so you have a slightly whacky yet more
 elegant  solution  available. Macros have more quoting possibilities
 than   and '. In fact, the first character that follows the name of
 the  macro  becomes  the  delimiter.  So  suddenly, you have a whole
 wealth  of  them!  Like: %SUBJECT=#%ABTOHandle other text by me#, or
 some  other  character that you are certain isn't going to appear in
 the name.

Thank  you  for  the tip. I thought only the single quote was allowed.
Macros are very powerful and the Quick Template facility is excellent.
Obviously, I have a lot to learn.

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Which PGP version best suits The Bat?

2002-04-19 Thread Costas Papadopoulos

I'm  using  PGP  version  6.5.8 freeware with the relative Bat plugin.
Recently,  there is a lof of discussion about Imad's ckt build of PGP.
I  was  wondering,  is  there  any  advantage  as  far  as The Bat! is
concerned, in using one version instead of the other?

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Re: AV Plug-ins vs. Not

2002-04-19 Thread Roelof Otten

Hello Michael,

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:22:44 -0500GMT (19-4-02, 14:22 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

MD I've seen the discussions concerning anti-virus plug-ins, and I'm
MD wondering what advantage that has over a program that monitors all
MD incoming traffic.

A program that monitors all your incoming traffic, will block TB's
downloading of infected messages. That way TB can't finish it's
receiving messages and will try to download the same messages over and
over, because the server doesn't delete them.

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Re: PC Pro Approves!

2002-04-19 Thread Daniel Grunberg

Fri, 19 Apr 2002 09:44:31 +0100GMT (4:44 AM EDST) William Moore wrote:

   For those in the UK, the June issue of PC Pro carries a great
   article by Davey Winder (their internet/email guru) extolling the
   virtues of TB! It's over two pages long - I can't remember a
   longer one devoted to one product. He was so impressed he bought a
   licence after using his review copy for a week.

   The magazine goes on sale next week and the article should be
   available on the PC Pro website www.pcpro.co.uk

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Re: AV Plug-ins vs. Not

2002-04-19 Thread John Galvin

Hello Roelof,

Friday, April 19, 2002, 3:10:35 PM, you wrote:

RO A program that monitors all your incoming traffic, will block TB's
RO downloading of infected messages. That way TB can't finish it's
RO receiving messages and will try to download the same messages over and
RO over, because the server doesn't delete them.

I  have never experienced this. AVG from grisoft allows the downloads to
finish,  and only lets me know that I have a virus when I go to open the
attachment/email.  Doesn't affect downloading whatsoever whichis logical
as a virus is not going to execute just by being downloaded.

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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

2002-04-19 Thread Gerard


ON Friday, April 19, 2002, 4:45:31 PM, you wrote:

C Hi,

C Disaster  total  this  morning  as  Norton  Anti  Virus  detected  the
C IFrame.Exploit  virus in a message and disabled my main input box.

C Any clue what I should do ?

Hi Jean-Luc,
   Cab't you disable Norton, then delete the email and re-activate
   Norton?
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Re: version d

2002-04-19 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Lynna,
On Friday, April 19, 2002 at 06:23:11 [GMT -0800], you wrote:

LL Your signature shows you as using the e version, so have you
LL noticed any differences?

The only difference so far is the incorrect diplaying of the Created
time. According to TB, your message was created at 00:23 my local time
(which is +0200 UTC). Your message was created at 06:23 [-0800], which
should be 16:23 my local time (10 hours difference).

I guess the HTML fix was the incorrect displaying of one particular HTML
message posted to TBBETA, but that was always displayed correctly on my
machine. No difference there.

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Re: AV Plug-ins vs. Not

2002-04-19 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Mandara,

 I can't find any advantage even of monitoring traffic at all. By my
 experience it is much faster (and cheaper, regarding resources and
 online time) to use some real-time AV monitor which will react if you
 try to deal with infected attachment.

There is definitely an advantage in monitoring traffic because not al
virus are spread in attached files. As an example, take a look at:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] in this list with Subject:
IFrame.Exploit virus

and http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_98918.htm

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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

2002-04-19 Thread Leif Gregory

Hello Corobori, 

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 at 10:45:31 [GMT -0400], you wrote:
C Disaster total this morning as Norton Anti Virus detected the
C IFrame.Exploit virus in a message and disabled my main input box.

C Any clue what I should do ?

I would temporarily disable NAV, open your inbox, find the infected
message, delete it, *then* delete it from the trash, *then* Compress
and Purge.



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Re[2]: IFrame.Exploit virus

2002-04-19 Thread Corobori

Hello Gerard,

Friday, April 19, 2002, 11:30:57 AM, you wrote:

G Hi  Jean-Luc,  Cab't  you disable Norton, then delete the email and
G re-activate Norton?

I  guess  I  could  I am just worried that doing this it could do some
damages  in  my  machine. Even on Norton's website they don't describe
what   the  IFrame.Exploit  virus  does  !  NAV  says:  No  additional
information and Likelihood: Rate


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Re[2]: PC Pro Approves!

2002-04-19 Thread Daniel Grunberg

Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:09:53 +0100GMT (11:09 AM EDST) Marck D Pearlstone
wrote:

Thank you, Marck, I'll try again.

   The magazine goes on sale next week and the article should be
   available on the PC Pro website www.pcpro.co.uk

 I couldn't find the review on PC Pro's website.

 Correct. The magazine is not yet on sale and has only been delivered
 to subscribers, who get it usually a week before it hits the shelves.
 The web site lags behind this by a week or so.



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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

2002-04-19 Thread David van Zuijlekom

Hello Corobori,

On Friday, April 19, 2002 at 11:57:52 -0400, you wrote concerning
'IFrame.Exploit virus':
...
G Hi Jean-Luc, Cab't you disable Norton, then delete the email and
G re-activate Norton?

 I guess I could I am just worried that doing this it could do some
 damages in my machine.

A virus can't do a thing without your interaction. If you don't
execute it nothing can happen. So you can safely disable Norton and
delete the file.

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Won't Exit

2002-04-19 Thread Stefan Zauchenberger

Hi all,

I have a problem in that TB will not exit cleanly if another application
uses it to generate and mail a message. The emails work fine. The other
program kicks off the mail. TB then asks which account to use and
prompty send off the message.

After this, however, TB will not exit. I must use the Task Manager to
kill it.

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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

2002-04-19 Thread Mrten

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Om 18:09 op vrijdag 19 april 2002, David van Zuijlekom:

 Hi Jean-Luc, Cab't you disable Norton, then delete the email and
 re-activate Norton?

 I guess I could I am just worried that doing this it could do some
 damages in my machine.

 A virus can't do a thing without your interaction. If you don't
 execute it nothing can happen. So you can safely disable Norton and
 delete the file.

err! do not delete the file or you'll be losing all messages in your inbox!

Mrten.

-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: 6.5.8ckt7

iQA/AwUBPMA2z0tQMadp+KslEQJYtACbBm0h17T4LzGkU0ECtNVKS4WrK3gAn23n
nfYeVanZ8BrMKhoBqggFAnYc
=BT9b
-END PGP SIGNATURE-



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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

2002-04-19 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Friday, April 19, 2002, 11:25:00 AM, Mrten wrote:

 err! do not delete the file or you'll be losing all messages in your
 inbox!

this would appear to demonstrate a real advantage to storing
attachments separately, and/or scanning messages before they get into
the inbox.

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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

2002-04-19 Thread Markus Gloede

Hi,

David van Zuijlekom wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

 A virus can't do a thing without your interaction. If you don't
 execute it nothing can happen. So you can safely disable Norton and
 delete the file.

Correction: this particular virus can do something without the user's
interaction (when opened in Outlook Express/Internet Explorer) if they
don't have MS's IFrame patch. For Bat users this also applies should they
decide to open an infected HTML part in an external browser--then again,
this already constitutes interaction.

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Re: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Geoff,
On Friday, April 19, 2002 at 11:23:27 [GMT +0100], you wrote:

GL They (Symantec) told me that NAV 2002 scans access to the hard
GL drives and both mail ports. However, they also told me that it would
GL stop TB dead in its tracks because you could not configure NAV to
GL automatically quarantine or delete without human intervention just
GL infected mail.

Ah, that is more precise. So we now agree that the mail scanning part is
still there, but they changed its behaviour.

GL [...] I believed them and went to a lot of trouble to obtain old
GL stock of NAV 2001.

Ah, yes, I remember that discussion.

BTW, is that --- after the quoted part in your messages really
necessary? It is caught by the %QUOTES replacement in my reply template
and every text below (i.e. your text) is cut out because it is mistaken
for an advertisement. That makes it a bit harder to reply to your
e-mails.

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Re: Won't Exit

2002-04-19 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Stefan,

 I have a problem in that TB will not exit cleanly if another application
 uses it to generate and mail a message. The emails work fine. The other
 program kicks off the mail. TB then asks which account to use and
 prompty send off the message.

Sorry, I can't help with your problem. But I would be very interested
to know what specific application(s) you mean  by another
application, and how did you get it to work. Because I am trying with
WinFax Pro and TB and I can't get it to work.

Thanks.

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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

2002-04-19 Thread David van Zuijlekom

Hello Mrten,

On Friday, April 19, 2002 at 18:25:00 +0200, you wrote concerning
'IFrame.Exploit virus':
...
 err! do not delete the file or you'll be losing all messages in your
 inbox!

No I didn't mean to delete the whole .tbb file but only the
attachment (right click on the attachment and then delete).

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Delete from server

2002-04-19 Thread Corobori

Hi,

I  set  up  my account with the Delete message from server when it is
removed  from  Trash. I had a go at it, received the message, deleted
it  and  removed  it  from the Trash but it was still available on the
server.

Am I missing something here ?

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Defaults for Mail Dispatcher

2002-04-19 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello all,

I always use Mail Dispatcher for one of my accounts because 95% (or
even more) of the e-mail I receive in this account, quite a bit BTW,
is just spam and pure junk. But when dispatcher opens it marks all
messages as Read and Receive. So, the first thing I do every time is
Global Reset Receive, then Global Set Delete, and then just mark
Receive one by one the messages I am interested in.

It is not really a big deal doing the global reset and global set, but
I was wondering if there is a way to change the defaults.

Thanks in advance.

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error message from email

2002-04-19 Thread Paul Cartwright

well,
I'm not sure what happened here. I know I replied to a message that
was sent to me, I'm looking in my sent folder and the message says it
was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] , yet here is the error message I
received:
The original message was received at Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:50:54 -0500 (CDT)
from IDENT:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[212.56.195.233]

   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(reason: 541 Failure: this address is blacklisted)

   - Transcript of session follows -
... while talking to mail.ritlabs.com.:
 MAIL From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=2767
 541 Failure: this address is blacklisted
554 5.0.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Service unavailable



did ritlabs blacklist that address ? Did I do something wrong ?

thanks,
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Re: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Lars,

 BTW, is that --- after the quoted part in your messages really
 necessary? It is caught by the %QUOTES replacement in my reply template
 and every text below (i.e. your text) is cut out because it is mistaken
 for an advertisement. That makes it a bit harder to reply to your
 e-mails.

From my point of view, that is something that should be _fixed_ in the
%QUOTES macro. Maybe in this list we can ask the users (most or all TB
users) to not use certain key combinations and they (we) will perhaps
understand the reason(s) why. But I use TB for a lot of mail lists and
newsgroups and I shouldn't have to ask all the users in those lists
and newsgroups to please not use --- because my %QUOTES macro

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BUG - Reading Confirmation

2002-04-19 Thread Nick Danger

I have Reading Confirmation set to Put in Outbox / Prompt before
action for my business account as I like to be in control of the
thing.  I also read mail using the preview mode/view.

Here's what happens:

If I'm reading a message in my business account and then click down
into my personal account to read something, that's when the prompt for
the reading confirmation pops up, as it doesn't pop up until you
remove focus from the message.

However, this way the confirmation message actually gets placed into
my personal account's outbox along with it picking up all of that
account's settings.  Not good.

As much as I love the way TB! lets you change accounts on the fly I'm
finding more and more instances where it doesn't do it thoroughly
enough and mixes commands between them.

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Re: version d

2002-04-19 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello David!

On Friday, April 19, 2002 at 3:28:11 PM you wrote:

MDP You are g. 'd' implements the new interface for Imad's PGP 6.5.8
MDP custom TB plug-in.

 Ok but it is not on public release yet.

d is - although only per announcement on TBBETA.

The plug-in isn't as it is in beta (although stable and working
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Re: Big review of TB! in UK PC-PRO magaine...

2002-04-19 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello Marck!

On Friday, April 19, 2002 at 11:30:48 AM you wrote:

 They've put TB on the cover disk too!

Well, that has been done several times by at least one leading comp
mag in Germany (*PCWelt*). I think, even *PCPro* has done it.

I hope the article will come in one form or another to Germany's
*PCPro*.


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Re: Which PGP version best suits The Bat?

2002-04-19 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello Costas!

On Friday, April 19, 2002 at 4:13:56 PM you wrote:

 I'm  using  PGP  version  6.5.8 freeware with the relative Bat plugin.
 Recently,  there is a lof of discussion about Imad's ckt build of PGP.
 I  was  wondering,  is  there  any  advantage  as  far  as The Bat! is
 concerned, in using one version instead of the other?

There are some advantages using CKT over other (especially original
NAI) versions, but none related specifically to TB!.

I am quite sure that Imad's plug-in will also work with other PGP
versions.

If you are interested in the enhancements of CKT's versions over
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Re: PC Pro Approves!

2002-04-19 Thread Dierk Haasis

Hello Lynna!

On Friday, April 19, 2002 at 2:17:04 PM you wrote:

 My only pick would be that I would like to have a option to change
 the background color. But then it would be perfect and we cant have
 that can we ? : )

That doesn't affect me, since I like to have a black desktop (well,
not quite as there are some items that use other colours). With a
black background of the MT it looks quite cool when the - in my case
green - message headers scroll through.


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Re: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Geoff Lane

On 19 April 2002, 18:16, Lars Geiger wrote:

 BTW, is that --- after the quoted part in your messages really
 necessary? It is caught by the %QUOTES replacement in my reply template
 and every text below (i.e. your text) is cut out because it is mistaken
 for an advertisement. That makes it a bit harder to reply to your
 e-mails.
~~~

OK, I've changed it for three tildes. Hopefully that is acceptable. My
template included no space after the dashes -- so TB shouldn't have
had that issue. FWIW, I've just tried replying to my own message, and
I don't notice the issue to which you refer. But then, I'm not using a
humungous regexpvbg

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Re: BUG - Reading Confirmation

2002-04-19 Thread Jernej Simonèiè

Hello Nick,

19. april 2002, 20:13:44, you wrote:

ND However, this way the confirmation message actually gets placed into
ND my personal account's outbox along with it picking up all of that
ND account's settings.  Not good.

I think I reported this one quite long ago on TBBETA (either that, or
I wanted to report it, as it happens to me, too)...

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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

2002-04-19 Thread Jernej Simoni

Hello Markus,

19. april 2002, 18:47:04, you wrote:

MG For Bat users this also applies should they
MG decide to open an infected HTML part in an external browser--then again,
MG this already constitutes interaction.

I doubt that The Bat would extract other attachments than just the
HTML file, so there is no danger.

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Re: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Geoff,

 ~~~

 OK, I've changed it for three tildes. Hopefully that is acceptable. My
 template included no space after the dashes -- so TB shouldn't have
 had that issue. FWIW, I've just tried replying to my own message, and
 I don't notice the issue to which you refer. But then, I'm not using a
 humungous regexpvbg

The three ~~~ also fail. It is a problem with the %QUOTE macro
generally used in reply templates. It just tries to be too smart.

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Re[2]: IFrame.Exploit virus Solved !

2002-04-19 Thread Corobori

Hi guys,

I eventually solved the solution this way:

1. Disable NAV

2. Backup the account.

3. Delete the account

4. Restore from backup.

BTW I had the attachments save in another folder

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Re: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Miguel,
On Friday, April 19, 2002 at 19:58:08 [GMT +0200], you wrote:

MAU From my point of view, that is something that should be _fixed_ in
MAU the  %QUOTES macro. Maybe in this list we can ask the users (most
MAU or all TB  users) to not use certain key combinations and they (we)
MAU will perhaps  understand the reason(s) why.

Wait a moment. It's not a problem with the %QUOTES macro.

I use a RegExp to strip away unnecessary things when replying. But this
RegExp is designed to take care of certain advertisements (from
yahoogroups, for example). And this stripped off everything after the
--- in Geoff's message. So I only had the things in my reply which I
had said in the e-mail before.

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Re: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Miguel,
On Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 20:50:44 [GMT +0200], you wrote:

MAU The three ~~~ also fail. It is a problem with the %QUOTE macro
MAU generally used in reply templates. It just tries to be too smart.

It works fine here, with both a RegExp and the standard %QUOTES macro.

AFAIK, the %QUOTES macro only strips of a sig delimiter, it can't even
handle PGP's changed sig delimiter. I wouldn't say that TB is trying to
be too smart in this respect.

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Re: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Friday, April 19, 2002, 1:50:44 PM, Miguel A. Urech wrote:


 The three ~~~ also fail. It is a problem with the %QUOTE macro
 generally used in reply templates. It just tries to be too smart.

If I am not misunderstanding your complaint, I'm not experiencing your
problem.

---

causes no problems in replying in my setup and

~~~

is equally harmless.

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Re: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Dwight,
On Friday, April 19, 2002 at 14:08:45 [GMT -0500], you wrote:

DAC If I am not misunderstanding your complaint, I'm not experiencing
DAC your problem.

It was my complaint (although it wasn't intended as a complaint), and
the problem is (as I've written before), that I use a RegExp to strip
advertisements from my replies and this interferes with the --- in
Geoff's message. Probably I should have had a look at my RegExp *before*
a asked this on the list (and I should have asked off list), but that's
too late now. Sorry if this wasted more bandwidth than it was worth.

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Re: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-19 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Geoff,
On Friday, April 19, 2002 at 19:07:32 [GMT +0100], you wrote:

GL OK, I've changed it for three tildes. Hopefully that is acceptable.
GL My template included no space after the dashes -- so TB shouldn't
GL have had that issue.

It was not an issue with TB believing this to be a sig delimiter.

The problem is that the RegExp I use was designed to strip off
advertisement, which is e.g. used on Yahoogroups, when replying. But it
uses a line of dashes to recognize this. That was the reason why
everything you wrote was removed when I replied. Perhaps the RegExp will
need some more tweaking, though. :-)

GL FWIW, I've just tried replying to my own message, and I don't notice
GL the issue to which you refer. But then, I'm not using a humungous
GL regexpvbg

I use one, only for this account, the others work fine with the standard
%QUOTES macro.

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Re: Won't Exit

2002-04-19 Thread BlueStrike

Hi Stefan,

i  had the same Problem with TB 1.6d. The program always remained
in  RAM,  using 99% of my CPU time. An Update to 1.6e solved this
problem for me. Now everything is perfect.

SZ Hi all,

SZ I have a problem in that TB will not exit cleanly if another application
SZ uses it to generate and mail a message. The emails work fine. The other
SZ program kicks off the mail. TB then asks which account to use and
SZ prompty send off the message.

SZ After this, however, TB will not exit. I must use the Task Manager to
SZ kill it.

SZ Stefan

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Re: Won't Exit

2002-04-19 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello BlueStrike,

On Friday, April 19 2002 at 12:49 PM PDT, you wrote:

 An Update to 1.6e solved this problem for me. Now everything is perfect.

I'm sure there are a lot of people confused over TB's version numbering
system... or lack thereof. If you don't mind telling us, where did you get
v1.60e? There are Users who cannot even find v1.60d... including me... with
v1.60c being the latest release. Even the FTP Beta site only shows 1.60c.

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Re[2]: version d

2002-04-19 Thread Lynna Lunsford

Hello Lars,

Friday, April 19, 2002, 7:32:18 AM, you wrote:


LL Your signature shows you as using the e version, so have you
LL noticed any differences?

Lars Geiger The only difference so far is the incorrect diplaying of the Created
Lars Geiger time. According to TB, your message was created at 00:23 my local time
Lars Geiger (which is +0200 UTC). Your message was created at 06:23 [-0800], which
Lars Geiger should be 16:23 my local time (10 hours difference).

Lars Geiger I guess the HTML fix was the incorrect displaying of one particular HTML
Lars Geiger message posted to TBBETA, but that was always displayed correctly on my
Lars Geiger machine. No difference there.

  Well I am in Alaska,(USA) on Alaska time, maybe that has something
  do to with it ; )
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Re[2]: AV Plug-ins vs. Not

2002-04-19 Thread Lynna Lunsford

Hello Miguel,

Friday, April 19, 2002, 7:47:28 AM, you wrote:

Miguel A. Urech There is definitely an advantage in monitoring traffic because not al
Miguel A. Urech virus are spread in attached files. As an example, take a look at:
Miguel A. Urech [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] in this list with Subject:
Miguel A. Urech IFrame.Exploit virus

Miguel A. Urech and http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_98918.htm


Also my experience with AVG was that it notifies me as I download
e-mail. If a e-mail is infected, it will grab the infected file and
place it in the virus vault. This happens when I am downloading, not
just when I open the e-mail or the attachment.  I like that, it never
gets a chance to be opened or to infect. You have the choice once a
file is in the vault to try and clean it or you can delete it
entirely. Very seldom is one cleanable (IMHO).

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A good tool: Win32.Klez worm sent by me via The Bat!?

2002-04-19 Thread Mike Harlos

Hi,

A colleague of mine has just received a message from me (without my
knowledge of sending it) which appears to be related to the Win32.Klez
worm.

There was no attachment from me.

How could this happen with TB? I don't use Outlook, and I thought that
this worm exploited Outlook. I am VERY vigilant about attachments, and
have TB! set up to not allow opening of
*.COM,*.EML,*.CMD,*.JS,*.PL,*.BAS,*.JAVA,*.REG,
*.EXE,*.VBS,*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS files.

It appears that I have somehow been infected, though NAV has not
picked up anything.

The following includes the original message. Where you see X is
where I have tried to avoid posting her contact info publicly:

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

Delivered-To: XX
Received: from outbox.attcanada.ca (outbox.attcanada.ca [207.245.244.41])
by fep6.cogeco.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07EEB6D5E
for XX; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:29:07 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from win-mb50-139.netcom.ca (win-mb50-139.netcom.ca
[216.191.162.11])
by outbox.attcanada.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4567332E2
for XX; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:29:06 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:29:05 -0500
From: Mike Harlos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60d)
Reply-To: Mike Harlos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: XX
Subject: Re: A  good tool
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
References: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitriginal Message-
From: Mike Harlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: April 19, 2002 4:29 PM
To: XX
Subject: Re: A good tool

  This is a good tool
  I expect you would like it. 


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Re: AV Plug-ins vs. Not

2002-04-19 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Lynna,

On Friday, April 19 2002 at 02:19 PM PDT, you wrote:

 Roelof Otten over, because the server doesn't delete them.
 
 Here is what AVG has to say about it (I pasted from AVG's own help
 files):

Would you mind terribly trimming down the number of characters you use for
a quote prefix? By using first and last name... which is only for TB users
and only if they have their preferences set to allow for it... you
minimise the actual number of characters for comments. Based on a 74
character normal line length, one can only type in 55 or so characters of
actual text before the line starts to wrap.

Thanks very much..


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Re[2]: AV Plug-ins vs. Not

2002-04-19 Thread Lynna Lunsford

Hello Nick,

Friday, April 19, 2002, 1:42:05 PM, you wrote:

Nick Andriash Would you mind terribly trimming down the number of characters you use 
for
Nick Andriash a quote prefix? By using first and last name... which is only for TB 
users
Nick Andriash and only if they have their preferences set to allow for it... you
Nick Andriash minimise the actual number of characters for comments. Based on a 74
Nick Andriash character normal line length, one can only type in 55 or so characters 
of
Nick Andriash actual text before the line starts to wrap.

Nick Andriash Thanks very much..

Considering I have had the program installed less than
a week, would you send me detailed instructions on how
to accomplish this? I am perfectly willing to
accommodate I just need to know how this is done.
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Re: version d

2002-04-19 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Dierk Haasis,

On Friday, April 19 2002 at 10:26 AM PDT, you wrote:

 MDP You are g. 'd' implements the new interface for Imad's PGP 6.5.8
 MDP custom TB plug-in.

I have that Plugin Marck, but I still only show v1.60c.
 
  Ok but it is not on public release yet.
 
 d is - although only per announcement on TBBETA.

I've seen no such announcement on TBBETA, nor does v1.60d exist on the
Beta Download page.

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Re: AV Plug-ins vs. Not

2002-04-19 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Lynna Lunsford,

On Friday, April 19 2002 at 02:50 PM PDT, you wrote:

 Considering I have had the program installed less than
 a week, would you send me detailed instructions on how
 to accomplish this?

Sure no problem... it is an often overlooked preference setting. There are
actually two settings that you should set:

1) Options/Editor Preferences/General... down at the bottom you will see
Quote Name Limit. This one is really for your benefit, and should
reflect the number of characters *you* would like to see behind 
that turn up as quoted material.

2) Accounts/Properties/Templates/Reply... under Sender information used
for quotation... you can set it as you like, but Initials or even
First Name seems to be more a norm than having both the first and last
name. I would say 50% choose None or Initials.

While you are in the Account Properties... at the bottom of the page you
will see two little check boxes. You should make sure that only the bottom
one is checked.

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Re: AV Plug-ins vs. Not

2002-04-19 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Friday, April 19, 2002, 4:42:05 PM, Nick Andriash wrote:

 Would you mind terribly trimming down the number of characters you
 use for a quote prefix?

I second that. It's very confusing since with the long prefixes they
don't get tagged as replies with my settings and it's much more
confusing to try to follow.

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Corrupted attachements

2002-04-19 Thread Luc

 Good night list,
   
 The last few days i have a strange problem: if i receive pics as an
 attachment and i save them from TB! directly to a cd, they become
 corrupted. This causes my cd drive to freeze up and even my pc. I
 don't think it's a virus because my AV didn't gave me a warning.
 Also, it doesn't matter who sends me the pics. It's the same problem
 with different senders.

 Has anybody a clue what this could be?
 
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