Re: My mom does it again!

[ETM]

My thoughts as well and why I once expressed surprise here that
the empty command was not specifically aimed at trash and
focused on no other folder.  It will happen again when people are
tired and not paying attention.  There should be a specific
Empty Trash to avoid this type of problem.  Why would anyone
want to empty their inbox?  The program should not be set up for
such human error.

Elaine

Hello Leif

On Friday, April 19, 2002, you wrote

 That way you could tell what she did maybe. My honest guess. She meant
 to empty the TRASH folder, but did it to the INBOX, then she PC'd.
 Just my thoughts on it.


 Cheers,
 Leif Gregory 



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Re: AV Plug-ins vs. Not

[ETM]

I have had two occasions when TB and my AV program circled the
campfire as TB downloaded to a tmp file and the AV program
notified me I had received an exploit virus.  On each occasion, I
went out to the web and deleted the offending emails at the
server.  Then it was necessary to delete TB's tmp files to
satisfy (shut up) the AV program.  I had the impression that using
dispatch would allow me to get to those emails and to delete them
at the server level.  However, I was not successful.  How does
one actually use dispatch from within TB to delete mail at the
server?

Both of the occasions involved false positives when
someone had written asking about the html exploit virus and
quoted a bit too much of the string involved smile but it gave
me a chance to see the interaction between TB and the AV program.

Elaine

Hello Roelof

On Friday, April 19, 2002, you wrote

 A program that monitors all your incoming traffic, will block TB's
 downloading of infected messages. That way TB can't finish it's
 receiving messages and will try to download the same messages over and
 over, because the server doesn't delete them.



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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

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Luc,

I had to go to the server using mail2web and delete at the
server level.  Then I deleted TB's tmp files and scanned and I
was clean.  How did you finally handle it?

http://www.mail2web.com/

Elaine

Hello Corobori

On Friday, April 19, 2002, you wrote

 Hi,

 Disaster  total  this  morning  as  Norton  Anti  Virus  detected  the
 IFrame.Exploit  virus in a message and disabled my main input box.

 Any clue what I should do ?



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Re: The BAT! and NAV

[ETM]

I just went through this with TB, eTrust and mail2 web.  Can the
dispatch utility in TB delete the message on the server?  If
so, how?

Elaine

 I'm using PC-Cillin 2000 with no problems. It scans all POP3 mail
 coming in without a plug-in. I've seen no problems except one. It
 detected the KLEZ virus and deleted it, but did not delete the mail
 from the server. I had to log in through PINE an kill the message.

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Re: AV Plug-ins vs. Not

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Hello ETM!

On Monday, April 22, 2002 at 9:50:50 AM you wrote:

 How does one actually use dispatch from within TB to delete mail at
 the server?

When you open the Mail Dispatcher and it connects, you see the
different columns. If a message is only checked for deletion, TB! does
send the DELETE command to the server.

If a message is not deleted, either the command is not received or not
understood by the server.


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Re: My mom does it again!

[Roelof Otten]

Hello ETM,

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 03:40:23 -0400GMT (22-4-02, 9:40 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

E Empty Trash to avoid this type of problem.  Why would anyone
E want to empty their inbox?  The program should not be set up for

I know of several people who filter 'save-mail' in different folders and
have only read-and-delete mail in their inbox. They're proud of the
emptynes of their inbox.

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Re: My mom does it again!

[ETM]

Well, I admit that my inbox is pretty slim, though not
non-existent laughter.  Filtering puts 99% of my mail in its
own folders, but I don't want to accidentally delete all the
items in one of those folders either because I am too tired to
see straight.  I still think an empty trash command makes sense.

Elaine

Hello Roelof

On Monday, April 22, 2002, you wrote

 I know of several people who filter 'save-mail' in different folders and
 have only read-and-delete mail in their inbox. They're proud of the
 emptynes of their inbox.



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Automatically store reply in same folder

[Christopher Taylor-Davies]

I am in the process of converting from Outlook to the Bat (1.60c) and
am busy setting up incoming filters happily.

One thing that Outlook let you specify was to automatically store a
outgoing reply in the same folder as the original message. For most
purposes this avoided the need for outgoing filters.

Is there a way of setting this up in the Bat, either with a general
filter, or some option that I have missed somewhere?

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Re: My mom does it again!

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E My thoughts as well and why I once expressed surprise here that the
E empty command was not specifically aimed at trash and focused on
E no other folder. It will happen again when people are tired and not
E paying attention. There should be a specific Empty Trash to avoid
E this type of problem. Why would anyone want to empty their inbox?

I do so at times.

E The program should not be set up for such human error.

A confirmation pop-up appears when you hit the empty selection. I
don't know how much more one can ask for.

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Re: The BAT! and NAV

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Etm [E] wrote:
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E I just went through this with TB, eTrust and mail2 web. Can the
E dispatch utility in TB delete the message on the server? If so,
E how?

How do you normally download your messages from the server to TB!. If
you download directly with TB! without using one of those applications
to help with web based mail (like web2POP), then the dispatcher should
work. Just connect using CTRL+Shift+F2, to display all messages, old
and new. The messages on the server will be listed. Mark the offending
message for only deletion and let it process the mail.

I don't see why the dispatcher shouldn't work via an intermediary
application as well anyway. Odd that it will not work for you. Just be
sure to use the dispatch *all* messages option.

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Re: My mom does it again!

[Roelof Otten]

Hello ETM,

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 05:20:54 -0400GMT (22-4-02, 11:20 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

E see straight.  I still think an empty trash command makes sense.

I guess so. I suppose that's why there's an 'Empty trash folder on
exit' in Account - Properties - Options
It's a pity though that that's a setting that isn't used when you
purge all folders. So when you're never exiting TB and only do manual
'purge all folders' you'll need to set the folder properties for trash
correct.
Anyway, I can't remember when I emptied my trash folder for the last
time, manually that is.

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Re: Automatically store reply in same folder

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Christopher,

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:43:15 +0100GMT (22-4-02, 11:43 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

CTD One thing that Outlook let you specify was to automatically store a
CTD outgoing reply in the same folder as the original message. For most
CTD purposes this avoided the need for outgoing filters.

CTD Is there a way of setting this up in the Bat, either with a general
CTD filter, or some option that I have missed somewhere?

TB hasn't got that option. The only way to achieve that is to set
corresponding outgoing filters for every folder.

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Re: My mom does it again!

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RO I guess so. I suppose that's why there's an 'Empty trash folder on
RO exit' in Account - Properties - Options It's a pity though that
RO that's a setting that isn't used when you purge all folders. So
RO when you're never exiting TB and only do manual 'purge all
RO folders' you'll need to set the folder properties for trash
RO correct. Anyway, I can't remember when I emptied my trash folder
RO for the last time, manually that is.

I personally agree with the way it is. It gives you finer control. You
can control how you purge your trash. You may wish to restrict trash
deletions to deletions done more than a day ago ... a useful setup.

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Re: Automatically store reply in same folder

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AM A good thing to do is that whenever you create an incoming filter,
AM copy it to your outbox and change the string parameter.
^^
that should have read 'outgoing filter set'. Sorry!

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Re[2]: Automatically store reply in same folder

[Christopher Taylor-Davies]

Hello Allie,

Monday, April 22, 2002, 11:30:34 AM, you wrote:

 I'm afraid not. You have to create outgoing filters to achieve the
 same effect.

 A good thing to do is that whenever you create an incoming filter,
 copy it to your outbox and change the string parameter. If you filter
 on sender, change it to recipient.


Thanks for confirming that. I had just discovered the copy option too,
so I will remember to make an outgoing filter as well.

Is there a way to make filters work for all mail accounts - they seem
to be tied to a particular account at the moment?

Regards

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Re: Automatically store reply in same folder

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Christopher Taylor-Davies [CTD] wrote:
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CTD One thing that Outlook let you specify was to automatically store
CTD a outgoing reply in the same folder as the original message. For
CTD most purposes this avoided the need for outgoing filters.

CTD Is there a way of setting this up in the Bat, either with a
CTD general filter, or some option that I have missed somewhere?

I'm afraid not. You have to create outgoing filters to achieve the
same effect.

A good thing to do is that whenever you create an incoming filter,
copy it to your outbox and change the string parameter. If you filter
on sender, change it to recipient.

It's a daunting limitation when you already have 50 filters and wish
to move outgoing mail to the original message folders.

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Re[2]: Automatically store reply in same folder

[Christopher Taylor-Davies]

Hello Allie,

Monday, April 22, 2002, 11:46:19 AM, you wrote:

 No, there's no way at present.

 In what situation would you want the same filter to work for multiple
 accounts?

I have two main email accounts, the same people send messages to them
interchangeably, though I guess about 80% go to my Compuserve account. I
will just have to train them with careful use of the Reply-To
setting so that they all start to use Compuserve all the time!




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(no subject)

[Geir Bækholt]

What's new in The Bat! 1.60?

[+] Tools|SmartPad

I cannot find this item documented anywhere.. Can anyone tell me what
i does.

I can run it , and it seems kinda like a multipart-clipboard /
textaeditor-thingie..

Can anyone tell me more about it ?



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GB [+] Tools|SmartPad

GB I cannot find this item documented anywhere.. Can anyone tell me what
GB i does.

GB I can run it , and it seems kinda like a multipart-clipboard /
GB textaeditor-thingie..

GB Can anyone tell me more about it ?

You've figured most of it out already. You can also search for clips
by date or display any text written or pasted into it by date.

Only the user can tell if he has a need for such a tool. There are a
couple users on this list who've testified its being a Godsend of
sorts. :-) I personally use it only on occasion.

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Re: My mom does it again!

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello ETM,

 There should be a specific Empty Trash to avoid this type of
 problem. Why would anyone want to empty their inbox? The program
 should not be set up for such human error.

The fact that Inbox is the default folder where TB will put incoming
mail that is filtered to other folders, does not mean it is different
to any other folder. It is just a folder and different people may use
it in different ways.

Like any other folder, it does require a confirmation before deleting
all messages. However, I must agree with you that it is not that
difficult to make a mistake and delete the whole contents of a wrong
folder.

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Re[2]: My mom does it again!

[Christopher Taylor-Davies]

 Like any other folder, it does require a confirmation before deleting
 all messages. However, I must agree with you that it is not that
 difficult to make a mistake and delete the whole contents of a wrong
 folder.

Maybe if the confirmation said Delete 9,043 Messages from Inbox
instead of Delete 9,043 Messages then you would have an extra
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Re: Automatically store reply in same folder

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Christopher Taylor-Davies [CTD] wrote:
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 In what situation would you want the same filter to work for
 multiple accounts?

CTD I have two main email accounts, the same people send messages to
CTD them interchangeably, though I guess about 80% go to my
CTD Compuserve account. I will just have to train them with careful
CTD use of the Reply-To setting so that they all start to use
CTD Compuserve all the time!

I see. There is a demand for global filters. I don't know if and when
it will be implemented. Maybe another one of those version 2 series
feature additions.

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Re: My mom does it again!

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Christopher Taylor-Davies [CTD] wrote:
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CTD Maybe if the confirmation said Delete 9,043 Messages from Inbox
CTD instead of Delete 9,043 Messages then you would have an extra
CTD warning that you weren't emptying the Trash folder?

That I agree with. :-)

I can't agree with removing the feature entirely though because of
'human error'.

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How to remove attachments?

[olive]

Hello TBUDL,

  In my Attach directory there are a lot of attachments. Some of them
  belong to my mails, but some are obsolete--corresponding mails have
  been deleted but attachments left. How can I efficiently remove
  these obsolete attachments? There are thousands of mails so it's not
  practical to open each mail to identify which attachment is not
  obsolete.
  BTW, I selected 'remove attachment if mail deleted from Trash', but
  it doesn't work?

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Re[2]: How to remove attachments?

[olive]

Storing attachments with messages brings an inconvenience that I
cannot simply browse for the attached files once I need them but don't
want to go into The Bat! to open them. If selectively store them outside
it's another waste of space and generally it's hard to foresee which
should be stored outside.
Any better idea?

ACM Olive [O] wrote:
ACM ..
O In my Attach directory there are a lot of attachments. Some of them
O belong to my mails, but some are obsolete--corresponding mails have
O been deleted but attachments left. How can I efficiently remove
O these obsolete attachments? There are thousands of mails so it's
O not practical to open each mail to identify which attachment is not
O obsolete. BTW, I selected 'remove attachment if mail deleted from
O Trash', but it doesn't work?

ACM It's for this reason why I decided to store attachments with messages
ACM and save to file the ones that I'll need to use outside of the context
ACM of the message.

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Re: How to remove attachments?

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O obsolete. BTW, I selected 'remove attachment if mail deleted from
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Re: Automatically store reply in same folder

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I'm using 14 accounts, no less 8-), on a daily basis for different
roles. Among other things, I'm webmaster for several web sites owned
by different organizations.

Most of the time I need automatic replies, templates etc. to be
different for each account, and this is where TB! excels. I would,
however, like to have global filters as well. Most of all for fighting
Spam. I have received up to 5 copies of the same message at the same
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TheBat! upgrade

[Jane Ellen]

Hi, I have a registered version of TheBat! 1.53
yet I see everyone talking about the 1.60 upgrade.
On the website I only see a complete download for
1.60c with a free trial period. Does anyone know
if there is a special url for just the upgrade?

Thanks in advance.
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Browsing by first letter was: Re: (no subject)

[Mandara]

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 05:41:57  -0500 Allie wrote:

...
ACM Only the user can tell if he has a need for such a tool.
...

Btw, there is a very annoying bug in versions 1.60x: you cannot browse
folders/accounts anymore by first letter of their names. I have ~350
folders in 20+ accounts with specific character(s) at the beginning of
name of each account (#) and main folders' names (1, 2, 3, , $, *...)
which was of the great advantage when I have to find things quickly,
and all of that is now completely useless. Aside any other things, it
is main one which is keeping me away of those versions. Is there any
chance for this to be fixed soon?

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Re[2]: TheBat! upgrade

[Jane Ellen]

Thank you!



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Re: Browsing by first letter was: Re: (no subject)

[Carsten Thnges]

Hi Mandara, hi list,

* Mandara (M) writes:

M Btw, there is a very annoying bug in versions 1.60x: you cannot
M browse folders/accounts anymore by first letter of their names. I
M have ~350 folders in 20+ accounts with specific character(s) at the
M beginning of name of each account (#) and main folders' names (1,
M 2, 3, , $, *...) [...]

Works here.

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Re: smart filter for worm viruses :-)

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Liviu,

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:39:26 +0300GMT (22-4-02, 13:39 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

LFRC I want to make a simple filter: I want to delete FROM SERVER any
LFRC message with .scr, .bat, .pif, etc etc atachments

Can't be done with TB, afaik TB won't filter on attachment names. It
is possible to disable the possibility to open those attachments.
(Options - Preferences - Warnings) TB's default is not to open them.

LFRC Any good idea ?

Two remarks, though.

Your lines are rather long, that makes quoting bothersome. Netiquette
suggests lines shorter than 75 characters. (Options - Editor
preferences -General: Check autowrap and set wrap text at 75 or 70
characters)

Most users of this list, especially the most prone to answer, read
this list threaded by reference. By answering another message on the
list, even when you change the subject the message will appear in the
same thread. In the case of the longer lasting threads this might
cause your message not to receive the attention it would've gotten
when you started a new thread.

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Re[2]: smart filter for worm viruses :-)

[Liviu FEODOROV (RAL Computers)]

I understand :-(

 I want to make a simple filter: I want to delete FROM SERVER any message
 with .scr, .bat, .pif, etc etc atachments

MM this is impossible, because filenames of attachments are not stored in
MM message header, which is used for Selective download filters or Message
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Re: My mom does it again!

[Mandara]

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 11:52:46  +0100 Christopher wrote:

...
CTD Maybe if the confirmation said Delete 9,043 Messages from Inbox
CTD instead of Delete 9,043 Messages then you would have an extra
CTD warning that you weren't emptying the Trash folder?

Hmmm... Maybe some (screaming) sound too.

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Re: TheBat! upgrade

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Jane,
On Sunday, April 21, 2002 at 05:52:22 [GMT -0600], you wrote:

JE On the website I only see a complete download for 1.60c with a free
JE trial period. Does anyone know if there is a special url for just
JE the upgrade?

Just install this version over your registered copy. The registration
info is stored in the registry and remains valid for version 1.60 (and
AFAIK for all 1.xx versions).

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Re: Browsing by first letter was: Re: (no subject)

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Carsten Thönges [CT] wrote:
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M Btw, there is a very annoying bug in versions 1.60x: you cannot
M browse folders/accounts anymore by first letter of their names. I
M have ~350 folders in 20+ accounts with specific character(s) at
M the beginning of name of each account (#) and main folders' names
M (1, 2, 3, , $, *...) [...]

CT Works here.

I didn't know of this feature but it works here as well.

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Re: smart filter for worm viruses :-)

[Marek Mikus]

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Liviu FEODOROV (RAL Computers) wrote:

 I want to make a simple filter: I want to delete FROM SERVER any message
 with .scr, .bat, .pif, etc etc atachments

this is impossible, because filenames of attachments are not stored in
message header, which is used for Selective download filters or Message
Dispatcher.

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Re: TheBat! upgrade

[John Phillips]

Hello Jane
You wrote  On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 05:52:22 [GMT -0600] (21:52 Monday where I live):-

 Hi, I have a registered version of TheBat! 1.53
 yet I see everyone talking about the 1.60 upgrade.
 On the website I only see a complete download for
 1.60c with a free trial period. Does anyone know
 if there is a special url for just the upgrade?


Just download the 1.60c version and install in same directory as 1.53.  If you
are a registered user, there should be no problems (YMMV)

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Re: AV Plug-ins vs. Not

[Mandara]

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 06:10:56  -0500 Michael wrote:

 How does one actually use dispatch from within TB to delete mail at
 the server?

DH When you open the Mail Dispatcher and it connects, you see the
DH different columns. If a message is only checked for deletion, TB! does
DH send the DELETE command to the server.

MD OK, I'm slow, so bear with me... :)  That means ONLY the delete flag
MD should be checked?

Yep. :)

All what is checked will work, all what doesn't will not.

By default receive and delete is checked. So you have to un-check
receive and leave delete as is, if you don't like some mail.

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SmartPad ??

[Geir Bækholt]

What's new in The Bat! 1.60?

[+] Tools|SmartPad

I cannot find this item documented anywhere.. Can anyone tell me what
i does.

I can run it , and it seems kinda like a multipart-clipboard /
textaeditor-thingie..

Can anyone tell me more about it ?

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Re: Browsing by first letter

[Mandara]

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 07:21:38  -0500 Allie wrote:

M Btw, there is a very annoying bug in versions 1.60x: you cannot
M browse folders/accounts anymore by first letter of their names. I
M have ~350 folders in 20+ accounts with specific character(s) at
M the beginning of name of each account (#) and main folders' names
M (1, 2, 3, , $, *...) [...]

CT Works here.

ACM I didn't know of this feature but it works here as well.

You guys have some f and g versions - where can I d/l them,
please? That what I reported was about c, d, and maybe e (since
I gave up after previously mentioned ones).

Maybe is not bad to say more precisely: if I try to browse this way
it shows first hit, and sometimes second one, but doesn't go further.
So, if I have to browse by character # through 10 News folders
marked as # News it will hit first and maybe 2nd one, but will not
hit rest of other 8, it simply stops.

Mandara
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Re: Automatically store reply in same folder

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Monday, April 22, 2002, 5:46:19 AM, Allie C Martin wrote:

 In what situation would you want the same filter to work for
 multiple accounts?

I use my computer in different locations, hence with different ISPs. I
dispatch via cable at home, dsl at the office, and different dial up
providers depending where I'm on the road. Some correspondents
therefore get mail from me from multiple addresses, and may respond to
same by simply replying. Dealing with this at my end means for those
people I have to have the same filter in multiple accounts.

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Re: My mom does it again!

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Mandara!

On Monday, April 22, 2002 at 1:51:39 PM you wrote:

 Hmmm... Maybe some (screaming) sound too.

Not to forget a slap on the fingers ...


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Re: Automatically store reply in same folder

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Dwight,

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:43:10 -0500GMT (22-4-02, 15:43 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

DAC providers depending where I'm on the road. Some correspondents
DAC therefore get mail from me from multiple addresses, and may respond to
DAC same by simply replying. Dealing with this at my end means for those
DAC people I have to have the same filter in multiple accounts.

You could set the reply-to for all accounts to your primary account.
That way all replies go to the same account.

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Re: Browsing by first letter

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Mandara,

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:15:43 +0200GMT (22-4-02, 15:15 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

M Btw, there is a very annoying bug in versions 1.60x: you cannot
M browse folders/accounts anymore by first letter of their names. I
CT Works here.
ACM I didn't know of this feature but it works here as well.
M You guys have some f and g versions - where can I d/l them,
M please? That what I reported was about c, d, and maybe e (since
M I gave up after previously mentioned ones).


The c-version also browses fine with first letters, not only with
first letters, but also by partial/full name, provided of course that
the focus is on the folder pane.

M So, if I have to browse by character # through 10 News folders
M marked as # News it will hit first and maybe 2nd one, but will
M not hit rest of other 8, it simply stops.

You mean to say that you've got ten folders with the same name? I
can't switch between different folders with the same name, can't
switch between Inboxes, but for the rest

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Re: AV Plug-ins vs. Not

[Michael Disabato]

Monday, April 22, 2002, 7:11:48 AM, Mandara scribbled:


M By default receive and delete is checked. So you have to un-check
M receive and leave delete as is, if you don't like some mail.

So THAT'S what the problem's been. Thanks!

Mike



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Re: Automatically store reply in same folder

[Michael Disabato]

Monday, April 22, 2002, 5:55:46 AM, Allie scribbled:

ACM I see. There is a demand for global filters. I don't know if and when
ACM it will be implemented. Maybe another one of those version 2 series
ACM feature additions.

For those of us Ex-Eudora users, the filter dialog had 3 check boxes:

Incoming
Outgoing
Manual

The first two meant what they said, filter income and outgoing mail.
The Manual check allowed the filter to operate when manually
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Re: Browsing by first letter

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 16:04:16  +0200 Roelof wrote:
...

M Btw, there is a very annoying bug in versions 1.60x: you cannot
M browse folders/accounts anymore by first letter of their names. I

CT Works here.

ACM I didn't know of this feature but it works here as well.

M You guys have some f and g versions - where can I d/l them,
M please? That what I reported was about c, d, and maybe e (since
M I gave up after previously mentioned ones).

RO The c-version also browses fine with first letters, not only with
RO first letters, but also by partial/full name, provided of course that
RO the focus is on the folder pane.

Not here. Of course, with appropriate focus.

M So, if I have to browse by character # through 10 News folders
M marked as # News it will hit first and maybe 2nd one, but will
M not hit rest of other 8, it simply stops.

RO You mean to say that you've got ten folders with the same name?

Yep. But in different accounts. Another example: I have prefix 1
before name of each account; this way I can switch fast between them.
For important folders, regardless accounts, I have prefix 2 etc.
So just by picking keys I find things in seconds.

RO I can't switch between different folders with the same name,

You cannot even *make* folders with a same name in a same level. But
if they are not in the same level, and still have same name - you can.
It is same as in Winblows Explorer. But this is word about *first
letter* (of a name) here as a reference, not about entire name.

RO can't switch between Inboxes, but for the rest

If you have no other folders beginning with I you can easily switch
between Inboxes through accounts.

It seems we couldn't understand each other.

Mandara
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Re: Palm Synch

[Tim Musson]

Hey Rick,

My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60c) Personal
to write the following on Sunday, April 14, 2002 at 9:19:05 AM.
RR On Friday, April 12, 2002, 6:11:02 PM, Stephen Thomas wrote:

ST Are you looking for address book sync. or email sync.?  I'd love
ST to have an address book sync. but have not found anything that
ST will  work, short of exporting all Palm addresses to a vcard and
ST importing  into TB.  TB has a great address book that  Iwould love
ST to sync., if anyone know how.

RR One of the ways that worked was a bit of a pain but it did work.
RR It's been a while since I did it so I might be a bit off here but
RR I was able to export the bat address book info as comma delimited
RR I believe. Then I used my yahoo account's import feature to import
RR the comma delimited file (you have to configure the mappings of
RR what goes where, but it didn't take that long). Next step was to
RR then use intellisynch (free also) to synch yahoo's address book
RR with the palm. Not one of those operations you'd want to do on a
RR nightly basis but it did work.

Just curious, why did you import the csv file into Yahoo, then sync to
Palm?  Palm does offer a feature to import csv into the address book.

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Re: My mom does it again!

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Mandara!

On Monday, April 22, 2002 at 4:52:59 PM you wrote:

 Yep. And if forgotten, some fine plug-in for desktop shaking.

Tilt! flashing.

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Re: Automatically store reply in same folder

[Gerard]

ON Monday, April 22, 2002, 3:55:55 PM, you wrote:

RO Hello Dwight,

RO On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:43:10 -0500GMT (22-4-02, 15:43 +0200GMT, where
RO I live), you wrote:

RO You could set the reply-to for all accounts to your primary account.
RO That way all replies go to the same account.


Roelof,

   I don't even bother changing the from address. I have found that as
   long as I change the smpt server for outgoing mail in
   account|properties|transport to match the network I am connected to,
   be it through ADSL/POTS/Cable, I can use ant from address and I am
   happy they do :-)

   I would like a drop-down ( or even a pop-up) here which memorizes all
   my previous smtp servers.

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ping with incoming messages

[Peter Kerekes]

When  I download my messages the computer pings after each
message. This is quite annoying with 50-100 messages.

It  started  about  10-12  days  ago,  after  installing and
un-installing  the  You-Have-Got-Mail  program. I don't know
whether it is related to this or not.

Tried  different  setting  but cannot find the source of the
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Re: Automatically store reply in same folder

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Gerard,

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:04:49 +0200GMT (22-4-02, 18:04 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

RO You could set the reply-to for all accounts to your primary account.
RO That way all replies go to the same account.

G I don't even bother changing the from address. I have found that as
G long as I change the smpt server for outgoing mail in
G account|properties|transport to match the network I am connected
G to, be it through ADSL/POTS/Cable, I can use ant from address and I
G am happy they do :-)

I'm aware of that possibility, but it's not allowed by all ISP's,
though most of them permit it.

G I would like a drop-down ( or even a pop-up) here which memorizes
G all my previous smtp servers.

I've been told that X-Ray is a nice tool for that purpose. X-Ray can
be found at: http://www.xrayapp.com/xray
I haven't used it myself, since I'm no roving mail user.


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Re: My mom does it again!

[ETM]

Does no one here ever return to the trash can, take another look
before trashing and find they are retrieving something?  I am
impressed! grin

Seriously, I trash and purge at night before shutting down.  I
generally take a quick look at what is there before dumping the
trash.  The empty trash has been in every other mail program I
have ever used, so it can't be *all* bad.

I also scan/defrag the computer, but I manually set it in and
do not use automatic settings.  Some like auto-pilot, some prefer
control.

Elaine

Hello Allie

On Monday, April 22, 2002, you wrote

 I personally agree with the way it is. It gives you finer control. You
 can control how you purge your trash. You may wish to restrict trash
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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello ETM,

On Monday, April 22, 2002 at 9:59:55 AM you wrote (at least in part):

E I had to go to the server using mail2web and delete at the
E server level.

Why not using 'Account' / 'Dispatch mail on Server' / 'All messages'
???
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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

[ETM]

Because I couldn't make that work smile.

Elaine

Hello Peter

On Monday, April 22, 2002, you wrote

 Why not using 'Account' / 'Dispatch mail on Server' / 'All messages'
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Re[2]: ping with incoming messages

[Peter Kerekes]

Hello Michael,

Monday, April 22, 2002, 1:12:33 PM, you wrote:

MD Monday, April 22, 2002, 11:13:29 AM, Peter scribbled:

PK When  I download my messages the computer pings after each
PK message. This is quite annoying with 50-100 messages.


MD Look in Account\properties\sound. Also, you can set the sound
MD individually for folders.

MD Regards,

MD Mike

That's  not  where the problem is. This sounds only when all
messages are received and I set to a bird song.

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Re[2]: The BAT! and NAV

[Wieland Haselbauer]

Guten Tag ETM,

Am Montag, 22. April 2002 um 10:07 schrieben Sie:

ETM I just went through this with TB, eTrust and mail2 web.  Can the
ETM dispatch utility in TB delete the message on the server?  If
ETM so, how?

ETM Elaine

 I'm using PC-Cillin 2000 with no problems. It scans all POP3 mail
 coming in without a plug-in. I've seen no problems except one. It
 detected the KLEZ virus and deleted it, but did not delete the mail
 from the server. I had to log in through PINE an kill the message.

 Mike


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Hello ETM,

I had the same problem. Klez seems to spread fast recently.

I use AVP which detected the infected mail and stopped
downloading.
I deleted the BAT*.TMP file by hand and logged in again using
the dispatch option. Then I looked for the infected mail and
selected delete and unselected download.
This way I could remove the virus mail on the server without a
third party program.


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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

[Mandara]

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Go to Account | Properties | Mail management, and check

+ Invoke automatically at each mail check and
+ Show all messages left on the server.

Then, each time you check this account you'll have displayed list of
messages on server with an option to delete them, amongst all other
nice options.

Mandara

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 14:05:15  -0400 ETM wrote:

E Because I couldn't make that work smile.

E Elaine

E Hello Peter

E On Monday, April 22, 2002, you wrote

 Why not using 'Account' / 'Dispatch mail on Server' / 'All messages'


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Re: Automatically store reply in same folder

[Mandara]

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 18:57:55  +0200 Roelof wrote:

G I would like a drop-down ( or even a pop-up) here which memorizes
G all my previous smtp servers.

RO I've been told that X-Ray is a nice tool for that purpose. X-Ray can
RO be found at: http://www.xrayapp.com/xray
RO I haven't used it myself, since I'm no roving mail user.

There are few days I'm using it, and can say it's an excellent and
very helpful little tool. It manages smtp servers on the fly too.

Mandara (the rover g)
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Re: My mom does it again!

[Mandara]

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 17:35:39  +0200 Dierk wrote:

 Yep. And if forgotten, some fine plug-in for desktop shaking.

DH Tilt! flashing.

Aaarrrgggaaa, hahahaha, haa...! Kkkhhhrrr...! Cough, cough...

Mandara
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Re: The BAT! and NAV

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@22 April 2002, 20:57:40 +0200 (19:57 UK time) Wieland Haselbauer
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moderator
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IFrame.Exploit virus

[Lynna Lunsford]

Is this virus the one called Klez? In the past two days
someone sent me ( or I received) a couple different
Virus. Once had a attachment file called active.exe.
AVG did not alarm when I downloaded it but I had a good
idea that it was a virus, so when I selected the
file, preparing to save it to a location to scan AVG
alarm popped up. I never ran the execution file just
deleted it. AND promptly emptied and compressed the
trash can.

Funny thing is I have recently received a email that
said it was from mail sub system making it look like it
was a email that I had sent out, showing it was from
me. Like it had bounced back. But when it had a
attachment. So I looked to see if I had any random
messages going out ( in my sent folder ) - everything
looked normal. So I ran a completed scan with AVG and
it turned up nothing. My computer is clean. Still
doubting I went to Trends Site and am running the
House Call online scan. Thus far, nothing.
BUT if my machine is clean, and it seems to be, then
there is a virus out there that will send you a message
appearing to be a bounced message from your machine. It
will have attachments and I am assuming ---If you click
on them to see what they are you will be infected.

AS far as I can tell The Bat has not opened or allowed
any of these virus / worms to activate on their own.
Any information on how to double check security of The
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Inbox -- known

[Curt Akin]

What happened to the inbox-known feature I saw in 1.60b? It appears to
be gone in 1.60c.

  

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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

[Lynna Lunsford]

 Still
LL doubting I went to Trends Site and am running the
LL House Call online scan.

** Just a  update, Trends House Call turned up nothing
also. I scanned my entire hard drive.** But If anyone
has any information / advise on securing The Bat any
better than the the default settings, as downloaded
please let me know. Thanks again.

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Re: Inbox -- known

[Lynna Lunsford]

Hello Curt,

Monday, April 22, 2002, 12:14:35 PM, you wrote:

CA What happened to the inbox-known feature I saw in 1.60b? It appears to
CA be gone in 1.60c.

  
I am using the c version and it still has the InBox
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already in your address book. But it does have it and
it is working for me.

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Re: Inbox -- known

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Curt,

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:14:35 -0400GMT (22-4-02, 22:14 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

CA What happened to the inbox-known feature I saw in 1.60b? It appears to
CA be gone in 1.60c.

Still present. Maybe you deactivated the known filter, that makes the
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Re: My mom does it again!

[Roelof Otten]

Hello ETM,

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:10:31 -0400GMT (22-4-02, 19:10 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

E Does no one here ever return to the trash can, take another look
E before trashing and find they are retrieving something?  I am
E impressed! grin

Not me, but generally I don't delete any mail manually. Some mail gets
filtered into other folders with their own purge-settings, some mail
gets deleted automatically by my spam-filter, some mail gets dragged
to other folders by me, some mail gets parked in my inbox and the rest
of my inbox expires after 90 days, that suffices. No need to go and
check my trash-folder.

E Seriously, I trash and purge at night before shutting down.  I
E generally take a quick look at what is there before dumping the
E trash.

I purge when shutting down, not before then, but I like to do things
without thinking about them. ;-)

E The empty trash has been in every other mail program I
E have ever used, so it can't be *all* bad.

One million lemmings can't be wrong? ;-) I agree with you, it could
come in handy, though I wouldn't use it that often.

E I also scan/defrag the computer, but I manually set it in and
E do not use automatic settings.  Some like auto-pilot, some prefer
E control.

I've got this computer almost five years, re-installed Windows98
twice, but defragged only once.

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Inbox -- known

[William Eggington]

With this new known filter adding people to your address book becomes
a lot more important.  But there is no way currently to quickly remove
people from the address book.  It is a two click process to add
someone. . . but quite a bit more complicated to remove them.

So my feature request is for a remove from address book as a right
click option for any email address.

What do you guys think?


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Help with Regex

[Absicherer]

Hi, I subscribe to a newsletter which starts its message with

**Please visit our sponsors*
blah

**tips***
blah

**Please visit our sponsors*

all I want to keep is the 'tips' portion of the message. How can I setup a
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Re[2]: Palm Synch

[Rick Reumann]

On Monday, April 22, 2002, 10:26:53 AM, Tim wrote:


TM Just curious, why did you import the csv file into Yahoo, then sync to
TM Palm?  Palm does offer a feature to import csv into the address book.

Good question. I can't actually remember now, it's been so long:)
Actually, I think the problem was that The Bat! and Yahoo actually
was able to store more different fields than the Palm allowed so
my goal ( I think ) was to keep The Bat! and Yahoo synched up
correctly and then used the yahoo synch feature to keep it synched
with the Palm. Needless to say I've just dropped doing any
synching between The Bat, Yahoo, and The Palm. I ended up with
duplicate records and things going into the wrong places, it was
just a mess so I gave up.

I look forward the perfect solution.

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Re: My mom does it again!

[Allie C Martin]

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E Does no one here ever return to the trash can, take another look
E before trashing and find they are retrieving something? I am
E impressed! grin

No. I hardly delete mail so if I delete something it's because it
really deserves deletion without hesitation. :-)

E Seriously, I trash and purge at night before shutting down. I
E generally take a quick look at what is there before dumping the
E trash. The empty trash has been in every other mail program I
E have ever used, so it can't be *all* bad.

After inspecting your trash folder, hit CTRL-Del with the trash folder
open and the folder pane in focus. When the confirmation message
appears, hit OK. Why do you need a delete trash command specifically?

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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

[Gerard]

ON Monday, April 22, 2002, 10:11:39 PM, you wrote:


LL BUT if my machine is clean, and it seems to be, then
LL there is a virus out there that will send you a message
LL appearing to be a bounced message from your machine. It
LL will have attachments and I am assuming ---If you click
LL on them to see what they are you will be infected.

Hi Lynna,
  It is possible to send an email with your address in the From field
  with an attachment. I can do that and your machine has nothing to do
  with it.

  Some person using Outlook with your email address in his address book
  probably has send it to you. You will have to dissect the headers to
  see were it is from. You can stop worrying about being infected.

  To prove that it is possisble to sent such emails, I have sent such an
  email to you off-line with an attachment that is just 100% text. Let
  me know how it arrives.

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Re: My mom does it again!

[ETM]

Because, once when very new to TB, while emptying trash I trashed
sent which follows alphabetically in my lineup and had to
retrieve everything I had sent laughter.  Thus, I fully
understand what the person's computer-intermediate mother might
have done.  I admin a mailing list of about 1500
computer-genealogy newbies.  I *know* what they are capable of
doing if I managed to do that.  That's why most of them are using
friendly mail programs.  That's what they can handle right now
and that's why Gates has his money.

Elaine

Hello Allie

On Monday, April 22, 2002, you wrote


 After inspecting your trash folder, hit CTRL-Del with the trash folder
 open and the folder pane in focus. When the confirmation message
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Re: Automatically store reply in same folder

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MD For those of us Ex-Eudora users, the filter dialog had 3 check
MD boxes:

MD Incoming
MD Outgoing
MD Manual

MD The first two meant what they said, filter income and outgoing
MD mail. The Manual check allowed the filter to operate when manually
MD filtering, which is different from how TB! works.

What's the difference? It doesn't appear to be clearly evident from
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Re[2]: IFrame.Exploit virus

[Lynna Lunsford]

Hi Gerard,

Monday, April 22, 2002, 1:38:55 PM, you wrote:


G Hi Lynna,
G   It is possible to send an email with your address in the From field
G   with an attachment. I can do that and your machine has nothing to do
G   with it.

G   Some person using Outlook with your email address in his address book
G   probably has send it to you. You will have to dissect the headers to
G   see were it is from. You can stop worrying about being infected.

G   To prove that it is possisble to sent such emails, I have sent such an
G   email to you off-line with an attachment that is just 100% text. Let
G   me know how it arrives.


   It did arrive and as you said it appears to be from
   my own computer and with the attachment file showing
   up. Scary. Can people do this, send stuff like this
   out to other people and make it appear as though it
   is from me? I am very cautious about opening
   attachments, and I have my AVG antivirus set to
   check and update my AVG if its over one day old.
   I even run a firewall or did, until I upgraded to
   WINXP, which has a built in firewall ( supposedly )
   at least I did choose to install one when I set up
   this connection. It is good to know that my pc is
   not infected. Thanks for the demonstration. But Oh
   what a lesson...



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Re[2]: IFrame.Exploit virus

[Lynna Lunsford]

Hello ETM,

Monday, April 22, 2002, 1:52:16 PM, you wrote:

E Lynna,

E You might want to consider a different firewall.  I understand
E the XP firewall only handles incoming, not outgoing traffic.


I have used two different firewalls in the past,Zone
Alarms, and Sygate. Can I run the built in XP
firewall and one of the above simutaneously or do I
need to diable the XP firewall? Thanks for the
information. I didnt know XP was incoming only.

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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

[ETM]

Lynna,

You might want to consider a different firewall.  I understand
the XP firewall only handles incoming, not outgoing traffic.

Elaine

Hello Lynna

On Monday, April 22, 2002, you wrote


WINXP, which has a built in firewall ( supposedly )
at least I did choose to install one when I set up
this connection. It is good to know that my pc is
not infected. Thanks for the demonstration. But Oh
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Re: My mom does it again!

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Etm [E] wrote:
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E Because, once when very new to TB, while emptying trash I trashed
E sent which follows alphabetically in my lineup and had to
E retrieve everything I had sent laughter.

Yeah, an unfortunate mistake. :-(

E Thus, I fully understand what the person's computer-intermediate
E mother might have done. I admin a mailing list of about 1500
E computer-genealogy newbies. I *know* what they are capable of doing
E if I managed to do that. That's why most of them are using friendly
E mail programs. That's what they can handle right now and that's why
E Gates has his money.

I don't think that's why Gates has his money but that's another story
inappropriate to this forum. :-)

TB! is quite user friendly but more suited to the advanced user.
There's no one program for everyone and that's the beauty of choice
and diversity.

I was just looking at OE (so long since I opened the thing) and
there's one way that I could find for emptying the trash (deleted
items) folder. You right click the folder and hit the Empty deleted
items folder item (identical to TB!). You cannot do the same with any
other folder. Why? Because of the userbase. TB!'s userbase wouldn't
tolerate that stifled functionality ... which supposedly exists in the
interest of human error.

It's all give and take. With increased functionality comes complexity
and increased user responsibility. Some companies aptly attack this
very real issue by offering multiple versions for different user types
like basic, standard and pro versions. TB! does come in different
flavours but only with respect to security models. In those other
flavours, it's even more complex. It's clearly not being marketed for
the very basic user and I don't blame the company since the basic user
has multiple options at their disposal, many of which are free of cost.

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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

[Dwight A Corrin]

On Monday, April 22, 2002, 3:11:39 PM, Lynna Lunsford wrote:

 Is this virus the one called Klez?

Norton caught a KLEZ which was cleverly accompanied with the following
message:

 Klez.E is the most common world-wide spreading worm.It's very
 dangerous by corrupting your files. Because of its very smart
 stealth and anti-anti-virus technic,most common AV software can't
 detect or clean it. We developed this free immunity tool to defeat
 the malicious virus. You only need to run this tool once,and then
 Klez will never come into your PC. NOTE: Because this tool acts as a
 fake Klez to fool the real worm,some AV monitor maybe cry when you
 run it. If so,Ignore the warning,and select 'continue'. If you have
 any question,please mail to me.


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Re[2]: Inbox -- known

[Curt Akin]

Upgrading from b to c, the inbox - known folders remain. But, I did a
fresh install of c today--no knowns, nor is there a known filter
anywhere in sight.

Also, did an upgrade of a 1.53 to 1.60c and no knowns appeared.

Bug?


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Monday, April 22, 2002, 4:20:43 PM, you wrote:

LL Hello Curt,

LL Monday, April 22, 2002, 12:14:35 PM, you wrote:

CA What happened to the inbox-known feature I saw in 1.60b? It appears to
CA be gone in 1.60c.

  
LL I am using the c version and it still has the InBox
LL known feature. You have to have the email addresses
LL already in your address book. But it does have it and
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Re: Automatically store reply in same folder

[Michael Disabato]

Monday, April 22, 2002, 4:30:57 PM, Allie scribbled:

MD The first two meant what they said, filter income and outgoing
MD mail. The Manual check allowed the filter to operate when manually
MD filtering, which is different from how TB! works.

ACM What's the difference? It doesn't appear to be clearly evident from
ACM what you're saying.

A filter is set up once under Eudora and then enabled for the function
you want it to perform. Under TB!, you end up creating duplicate
filters under different sections (incoming, outgoing, etc.)

It seems like more work and maintenance that way.

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Re[2]: IFrame.Exploit virus

[Lynna Lunsford]

Hi Dwight,

Monday, April 22, 2002, 3:34:31 PM, you wrote:

DAC Norton caught a KLEZ which was cleverly accompanied with the following
DAC message:

 Klez.E is the most common world-wide spreading worm.It's very
 dangerous by corrupting your files. Because of its very smart
 stealth and anti-anti-virus technic,most common AV software can't
 detect or clean it. We developed this free immunity tool to defeat
 the malicious virus. You only need to run this tool once,and then
 Klez will never come into your PC. NOTE: Because this tool acts as a
 fake Klez to fool the real worm,some AV monitor maybe cry when you
 run it. If so,Ignore the warning,and select 'continue'. If you have
 any question,please mail to me.

 That would fool a lot of folks, I might would have
 been fooled by that as well If I had not already read
 about that version going around. BUT the one I got
 wasnt like that. ANYWAY the Trend House Call scan
 turned up negative as well as the AVG full scan of my
 C: drive so I guess my PC is clean. I have now
 downloaded / installed the latest version of Zone
 Alarm. No longer running any other mail client other
 than The Bat. So I guess, I have done all I can do,
 other than pull the plug on the internet.
 Tempting thought.sigh

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Folder colours

[Carren Stuart]

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OK ... probably yet another stupid question no doubt due to yet
another brain freeze on my part :-)

I have one of my accounts set up with multiple folders and sub folders
for all my list mail. All the received folders are blue. I have no
recollection of making them blue - they just are! I have just created
another set of folders/sub folders for yet another list I have
subscribed to, but the received folder in this tree doesn't appear
as blue. Is there anyway I can make it the same colour as the others?

I am probably missing something here (as usual!) but I really don't
remember doing anything in the first place to create the blue folders.
Am I just forgetting what I did?

Many thanks! (using version 1.60c)

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Re: Browsing by first letter

[Carsten Thnges]

Hi Mandara, hi list,

* Mandara (M) writes:

M Maybe is not bad to say more precisely: if I try to browse this way
M it shows first hit, and sometimes second one, but doesn't go
M further. [...]

Yes, I can confirm this :-/

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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

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Lynna Lunsford [LL] wrote:
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LL I have used two different firewalls in the past,Zone
LL Alarms, and Sygate. Can I run the built in XP
LL firewall and one of the above simutaneously or do I
LL need to diable the XP firewall? Thanks for the
LL information. I didnt know XP was incoming only.

The Windows firewall tends to adversely affect the third party ones so
I'd disable it. This is the case for sure with the ones I've used,
i.e., Tiny Personal Firewall (now Kerio Personal Firewall) and Black
ICE Defender.

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