Re: Edited Shortcut file to find

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Peter,

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:01:45 -0400GMT (21-6-02, 0:01 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

PK I presume I have not moved the file which contains the shortcuts.
PK Would appreciate any advise of which file contains them.

I suppose that would be shortcuts.cfg, the file can be found in the
directory that TB uses as default directory for new accounts.

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Re: Deleting from Server _after_ downloading and reading

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Jim,

It was Thursday, June 20, 2002 at 9:24 AM, when Jim [J] wrote:

J   Viewing the mail in TB and then opening the Dispatch Mail window is
J   not especially efficient IMO. I was just wondering if TB had a
J   better way of doing it than that.  :)

You could use a manual filter with the action Delete message from
Server.  It works quite effectively.

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Re: 1.60 broke????

[David van Zuijlekom]

Hello Jonathan,

On Friday, June 21, 2002 at 21:50:44 -0500, you wrote concerning '1.60
broke':
...
 http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg40261.html

 Try that :)

Shouldn't Ritlabs fix this? Because when new users want to test TB!
and it shuts down the minute they try to enter something in the TO:
field, they might leave TB! right away.

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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi David,

@21 June 2002, 11:38:38 +0200 (10:38 UK time) David van Zuijlekom
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 http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg40261.html

 Try that :)

 Shouldn't Ritlabs fix this? Because when new users want to test TB!
 and it shuts down the minute they try to enter something in the TO:
 field, they might leave TB! right away.

Erm ... new users have empty history lists, so it doesn't happen to
them. Another fix is to delete the existing history list. The problem
is a corrupt list, not a bug in the code (although the code should be
robust enough to withstand the corruption, but that's not the point
I'm making).

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Re: 1.60 broke????

[David van Zuijlekom]

Hello Marck,

On Friday, June 21, 2002 at 10:54:31 +0100, you wrote concerning '1.60
broke':
...
 Erm ... new users have empty history lists, so it doesn't happen to
 them. Another fix is to delete the existing history list.

O yes of course, I didn't think about that. ;-)

 The problem is a corrupt list, not a bug in the code (although the
 code should be robust enough to withstand the corruption, but that's
 not the point I'm making).

Maybe they should write a piece of code that would delete the history
file when it's corrupted, instead of closing the whole program.

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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, 11:54, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

 Erm ... new users have empty history lists, so it doesn't happen to
 them.

Yes, when they send their first email. At the time of their second the
history list is no longer empty and TB! would shut itself down. I for
certain would not keep evaluating a program which I couldn't use more
than one time.

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Re[3]: Under account/properties/options the ** periodically checking each * does not work

[DG Raftery Sr.]

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Greetings vj135doppa,

On Thursday, June 20, 2002, 2:58:43 PM, you wrote:

vj135doppa  Did CTRL + DELETE = confirmed that no other application is
vj135doppa  running.Now i start web2pop it still says another application is
vj135doppa  using port 110.Although it says that there is an icon of web2pop in
vj135doppa  the system tray so i right click it and change the port # to port
vj135doppa  8110 as mentioned in their website FAQ.Now it say another app is
vj135doppa  using port 8110.

Open up your command prompt window and type netstat -a, without the
quotes, at the prompt. You should then see a list of open, listening and
waiting ports, i.e.;

Active Connections

  Proto  Local Address  Foreign AddressState
  TCPblackhole:smtp blackhole:0LISTENING
  TCPblackhole:epmapblackhole:0LISTENING

This should give you an indication of what the status of port 110 is. It
may be indicated as pop instead of 110 just as 25 (listed above) is is
indicated as SMTP (I run my own SMTP server here and that is why it is
presented as being in the listening state). Anyway 

Hope this helps.

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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Marcus,

@21 June 2002, 12:32:57 +0200 (11:32 UK time) Marcus Ohlström wrote in
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 Erm ... new users have empty history lists, so it doesn't happen to
 them.

 Yes, when they send their first email. At the time of their second
 the history list is no longer empty and TB! would shut itself down.

Are you sure? The impression I had was that it was only mature /
legacy history lists with corrupt entries that caused this problem.
Once the history was restarted the bug was gone.

 I for certain would not keep evaluating a program which I couldn't
 use more than one time.

Quite right, but I don't think that's the case. I could be wrong, but
I've never seen *ever* the problem myself and have *always* had
history enabled (auto-complete from History + Default address book).
So why are you all (both?) saying new users are going to have this
problem?

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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, 5:54 AM, you wrote:

 Shouldn't Ritlabs fix this? Because when new users want to test TB!
 and it shuts down the minute they try to enter something in the TO:
 field, they might leave TB! right away.

MDP Erm ... new users have empty history lists, so it doesn't happen to
MDP them. Another fix is to delete the existing history list. The problem
MDP is a corrupt list, not a bug in the code (although the code should be
MDP robust enough to withstand the corruption, but that's not the point
MDP I'm making).


I have a real problem believing THAT many people have a corrupt
history file. seems more like a badly formatted file, a size issue, or
a problem with the code. How come I don't have any OTHER corrupt files
in TB ( or anywhere else on my computer??), we all seem to know this
bug so we don't use the feature, right ? It happened to me when I
started using TB, then it happened to me when I reinstalled it on my
brand-new Dell computer a month later.

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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, 6:54 AM, you wrote:

MDP Are you sure? The impression I had was that it was only mature /
MDP legacy history lists with corrupt entries that caused this problem.
MDP Once the history was restarted the bug was gone.

 I for certain would not keep evaluating a program which I couldn't
 use more than one time.

MDP Quite right, but I don't think that's the case. I could be wrong, but
MDP I've never seen *ever* the problem myself and have *always* had
MDP history enabled (auto-complete from History + Default address book).
MDP So why are you all (both?) saying new users are going to have this
MDP problem?

 
make that three of us. Like I said, it happened to me very soon after
I started using TB, then it reappered when I reinstalled on my
brand-new Dell computer, within days.


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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, 12:54, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

 I've never seen *ever* the problem myself and have *always* had
 history enabled (auto-complete from History + Default address book).

Me neither, but I've seen reports where new users had this problem.
Don't know how new they were though, if they run in to the history bug
immediately then we wouldn't see them here I guess.

Take a look at the recently posted
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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, 13:04, Paul Cartwright wrote:

 we all seem to know this bug so we don't use the feature, right ?

Not quite, many of us, like me and Marck, uses the history without any
problems whatsoever.


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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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@21 June 2002, 07:04:47 -0400 (12:04 UK time) Paul Cartwright wrote in
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 I have a real problem believing THAT many people have a corrupt
 history file.

You say *that* many like there have been thousands. I don't see that.
I've seen *some reports* of it happening. But it's not regular. If it
could be more clearly defined as to what makes it happen then RITlabs
would issue a fix for it. Instantly. They always do. The bugs that
persist are the ones that can't be easily replicated elsewhere.

 seems more like a badly formatted file,

Not to me. It would happen more often if it were.

 a size issue,

Perhaps, but doubtful. The history lists are finite in size.

 or a problem with the code.

That goes without saying.

 ... we all seem to know this bug so we don't use the feature, right
 ?

Wrong. Some have seen the bug. They don't use the feature. I've never
stopped using the feature and I've never seen the bug.

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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, 7:16 AM, you wrote:


 I have a real problem believing THAT many people have a corrupt
 history file.

MDP You say *that* many like there have been thousands. I don't see that.
MDP I've seen *some reports* of it happening. But it's not regular. If it
MDP could be more clearly defined as to what makes it happen then RITlabs
MDP would issue a fix for it. Instantly. They always do. The bugs that
MDP persist are the ones that can't be easily replicated elsewhere.

It happened once, shame on you, twice, shame on me. I turned off the
feature without testing it further. I have seen enough questions
here about that very problem to know it isn't something I did (
tweak), isn't something I can fix, and it breaks TB when I turn it on.
this is a new computer, 1.6Ghz, with 256 megs of ram, a nice new 80
gig HD, and a freshly installed TB. file corruption ???

 ... we all seem to know this bug so we don't use the feature, right
 ?

MDP Wrong. Some have seen the bug. They don't use the feature. I've never
MDP stopped using the feature and I've never seen the bug.

I have winXP with an NTFS filesystem, I shouldn't have file corruption
on a new system, so how does it happen ? a TB crash maybe, where it
doesn't finish writing that file correctly?? I do remember TB freezing
a few times in another version, maybe then ?

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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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@21 June 2002, 07:41:42 -0400 (12:41 UK time) Paul Cartwright wrote in
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 I have winXP with an NTFS filesystem, I shouldn't have file corruption
 on a new system, so how does it happen ? a TB crash maybe, where it
 doesn't finish writing that file correctly??

No. By corruption in this context, all that is meant is invalid
data. How it got there is that TB wrote it there. Because of a bug.
That's all that's being said.

What you're not appreciating is that some specific event/data/action
is causing TB to create that corruption in the data. That specific
thing hasn't yet been sufficiently documented or isolated for RITlabs
to fix it. Simple. It may be because of the format of an address in
the history file. I'd like someone with a .his file that causes it to
file a report on the BugTraq and upload the file as evidence. Then
we'll see a fix. Folks that just switch it off or shout hey - it
sucks - it broke are not advancing the cause.

Not getting at you personally here, just trying to spell out what it
takes to get the issue sorted out and clarify what the issue is due to.

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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, 8:01 AM, you wrote:


MDP What you're not appreciating is that some specific event/data/action
MDP is causing TB to create that corruption in the data. That specific
MDP thing hasn't yet been sufficiently documented or isolated for RITlabs
MDP to fix it. Simple. It may be because of the format of an address in
MDP the history file. I'd like someone with a .his file that causes it to
MDP file a report on the BugTraq and upload the file as evidence. Then
MDP we'll see a fix. Folks that just switch it off or shout hey - it
MDP sucks - it broke are not advancing the cause.

got it, appreciate it. I'll turn it back on and see if it gets corrupt
again, I'll be happy to upload a file, I just assumed it had already
been documented and bugtraqed. I'm not normally the first to find a
bug ;)

MDP Not getting at you personally here, just trying to spell out what it
MDP takes to get the issue sorted out and clarify what the issue is due to.

I understand your position, thanks for the clarification :0)


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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi David,
On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:15:24 +0200, you wrote:

 Maybe they should write a piece of code that would delete the history
 file when it's corrupted, instead of closing the whole program.

Or maybe write a better error trapper for that section.  I had this occur on the
other computer I installed it on within a couple of hours of installing it [TB
1.60c].  I might spend some time, and try regenerating it, and let Ritlabs know
how I did it.  It seems we've all come to the conclusion it is a corrupt history
file, as disable using it seems to resolve the issue.

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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, 8:01 AM, you wrote:

MDP What you're not appreciating is that some specific event/data/action
MDP is causing TB to create that corruption in the data. That specific
MDP thing hasn't yet been sufficiently documented or isolated for RITlabs
MDP to fix it. Simple. It may be because of the format of an address in
MDP the history file. I'd like someone with a .his file that causes it to
MDP file a report on the BugTraq and upload the file as evidence. Then
MDP we'll see a fix. Folks that just switch it off or shout hey - it
MDP sucks - it broke are not advancing the cause.

well, I turned the history back on, tried to create a NEW message and
CRASH!
I did a search and didn't find a .his file in my TB folders, and I
couldn't find the link on the ritlabs page to report a bug.

can you answer those 2 questions?

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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Marcus Ohlström]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, 14:18, Paul Cartwright wrote:

 I did a search and didn't find a .his file in my TB folders,

Check your account dir, in my case it's
C:\Program Files\The Bat!\MAIL\marcus and the file is namned
ACCOUNT.HIS

 and I couldn't find the link on the ritlabs page to report a bug.

It's in the list footer of every message to this list:

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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Tim Musson]

Hey Paul,

My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal
to write the following on Friday, June 21, 2002 at 8:18:57 AM.

MDP I'd like someone with a .his file that causes it to file a
MDP report on the BugTraq and upload the file as evidence.

PC well, I turned the history back on, tried to create a NEW message
PC and CRASH!

PC I did a search and didn't find a .his file in my TB folders,

There should be \The Bat!\MAIL\history.his
and (one each)  \The Bat!\MAIL\'YourAccount\account.his
I don't know which one is used for this (they both seem to have
address history information)...

PC and I couldn't find the link on the ritlabs page to report a bug.

It is in the footer of each TBUDL message. g see below (last line I
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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, 8:29 AM, you wrote:

 I did a search and didn't find a .his file in my TB folders,

MO Check your account dir, in my case it's
MO C:\Program Files\The Bat!\MAIL\marcus and the file is namned
MO ACCOUNT.HIS

well there it is! so, there will be one for every account I have. I
wonder why SEARCH *.his didn't find it...

 and I couldn't find the link on the ritlabs page to report a bug.

MO It's in the list footer of every message to this list:

 Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/

DUH! of course it is! I'll create another new email, then go to
the web site and send the file.
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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, 8:28 AM, you wrote:

TM Hey Paul,

PC I did a search and didn't find a .his file in my TB folders,

TM There should be \The Bat!\MAIL\history.his
TM and (one each)  \The Bat!\MAIL\'YourAccount\account.his
TM I don't know which one is used for this (they both seem to have
TM address history information)...

and of course, now when I try to creat a new message IT WORKS.

PC and I couldn't find the link on the ritlabs page to report a bug.

TM It is in the footer of each TBUDL message. g see below (last line I
TM believe).

um, well I went to that page, logged in anonymously, but the font is
unreadable ( language?)using Opera 6.03:

RITLabs Bugtracking System - The Bat


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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Tim Musson]

Hey Paul,

My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal
to write the following on Friday, June 21, 2002 at 8:41:27 AM.

PC um, well I went to that page, logged in anonymously, but the font
PC is unreadable ( language?)using Opera 6.03:

I saw the same thing when using anon  I logged in as me though,
and could read it.  Try [ signup for a new account ] ?

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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, 8:50 AM, you wrote:

TM Hey Paul,

TM My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal
TM to write the following on Friday, June 21, 2002 at 8:41:27 AM.

PC um, well I went to that page, logged in anonymously, but the font
PC is unreadable ( language?)using Opera 6.03:

TM I saw the same thing when using anon  I logged in as me though,
TM and could read it.  Try [ signup for a new account ] ?


I signed up, created a bug report and sent the account.his and
account.log files. It did crash again ;)

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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Paul Cartwright]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, 8:01 AM, you wrote:

MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
MDP Hash: SHA1

MDP Hi Paul,

MDP What you're not appreciating is that some specific event/data/action
MDP is causing TB to create that corruption in the data. That specific
MDP thing hasn't yet been sufficiently documented or isolated for RITlabs
MDP to fix it. Simple. It may be because of the format of an address in
MDP the history file. I'd like someone with a .his file that causes it to
MDP file a report on the BugTraq and upload the file as evidence. Then
MDP we'll see a fix. Folks that just switch it off or shout hey - it
MDP sucks - it broke are not advancing the cause.
here you go:

The following NEW bug has been ADDED.
===
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view_bug_page.php?f_id=982
===
Reporter:   pbcartwright
Handler:
===
Project:The Bat
Bug ID: 982
Category:   Mail Management
Reproducibility:sometimes
Severity:   crash
Priority:   normal
Status: new
===
Date Submitted: 21 Jun 2002 08:17 CDT
Last Modified:  21 Jun 2002 08:17 CDT
===
Summary:crashes when creating new message, selecting To:
Description: 
With history turned on, clicking the To: to auto-complete a name, it
crashes TB
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Re: 1.60 broke????

[David van Zuijlekom]

Hello Paul,

On Friday, June 21, 2002 at 09:33:18 -0400, you wrote concerning '1.60
broke':
...
 The following NEW bug has been ADDED.

I wanted to test the account.his file but I when I try to download the
file I get the following error in my browser:

,- [ Error 404 - File Not Found ]
| File /404.shtml was not found.
| Please check the URL or report the error.
| Don't forget to mention missing document's URL.
'-

It looks like the file isn't on the server of Ritlabs.

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Re: newsreader

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Thursday, June 20, 2002, Greg Strong wrote...

 Yes the lack of multiple news servers is an issue which will be fixed
 in version 2 according to Forte.  I only connect to 2 news servers, so
 I just run multiple instances.  This is NOT a real problem.

Maybe I'll get back to using it in version 2 then :)  But you're
right, it's not a real problem, just a convenience thing ;)

 I a relative new user of Agent.  I will say I can cover lots of
 material with the download of headers, then download messages I want
 to read.  From my use I would say it has lots of features which can be
 customized.

There are so many useful features in Agent, it makes it difficult to
learn them all.  The speed kill files are really useful, along with
proper support for scoring, and a nice filtering setup.

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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello David,

On Friday, June 21, 2002 at 4:03:22 PM you wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):

DvZ It looks like the file isn't on the server of Ritlabs.

It is, only the 'Matis - Bugtracker' seems to be buggy.

Try this URL:

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/files/tb/982-ACCOUNT.HIS
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Re: 1.60 broke????

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, Jonathan Angliss wrote...

 Or maybe write a better error trapper for that section. I had this
 occur on the other computer I installed it on within a couple of
 hours of installing it [TB 1.60c]. I might spend some time, and try
 regenerating it, and let Ritlabs know how I did it. It seems we've
 all come to the conclusion it is a corrupt history file, as disable
 using it seems to resolve the issue.

Okay, thought I'd re-enable my history, see if I could possibly track
down the issue that may be causing it... I noticed two things... I
don't think the .his file is corrupt, but contains an extra character
that it shouldn't.  I'm assuming this because the subject line is
recorded in there too, and I've not had it fail on the subject line.
The other thing is this:

http://netdork.net/doh.gif

I just re-enabled my history option, started typing an address, paused
for a second to let it catch up, and that happened.

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Re[2]: newsreader

[Joseph N.]

   On Friday, June 21, 2002, Jonathan Angliss wrote in
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JA There are so many useful features in Agent, it makes it difficult to
JA learn them all.

Jonathan,

Is Agent good at offline reading, and can one compose messages offline
to be dispatched on next connection?

I use Xnews, which I like a lot.  But it's not well-geared to offline
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Re: newsreader

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Jonathan Angliss,

In Reference to your Posting on Friday, June 21 2002 at 07:21 AM PDT,

 There are so many useful features in Agent, it makes it difficult to
 learn them all.  The speed kill files are really useful, along with
 proper support for scoring

Agent supports scoring now? That is news to me, as it sure didn't last
time I used it, which is why I 'upgraded' to XNews. ;o)

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Re: newsreader

[Nick Danger]

Subject: Newsreader
   From: Miguel Urech
~~

Hello Miguel,

 As you may already know, I use TB for newsgroups... and with multiple
 servers. Yes, with the aid of the News-to-Mail and Mail-to-News
 routers of MailTraq's free version.

Let me offer up some kudos to Miguel for this.  I've been wanting some
kind of solution such as this for a long time.  I followed his little
tutorial for setting it up he posted awhile back and it has been a
wonderful way to access newsgroups.  Being able to use TB! to read and
post has made it an almost seamless marriage of e-mail and usenet.

While it's not useful for just browsing around, if you have any
specific newsgroups you're subscribed to it is a fantastic solution
and one I can highly recommend.

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Re: newsreader

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, Nick Andriash wrote...

 Agent supports scoring now? That is news to me, as it sure didn't last
 time I used it, which is why I 'upgraded' to XNews. ;o)

My bad... hehe... I got Xnews and Agent mixed up... some of the
screens look remarkably similar ;)

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Re: Questions

[Damian Gerow]

I can handle the GPG stuff for now, it's not a big deal.  I'll just learn to
type my passphrase faster.  ;)  However...

Spake Thomas F on 6/21/2002, at 11:41:40 +0700:
 I believe he means in the context of hitting PgDown. However, by
 hitting PgDown, he keeps actively pushing the end-of-message mark
 further down, rather than passively detecting it.
 
What I mean is partially that, and partially that because TB! sees the EOM
as being the last line of text in the message, any GPG signatures come
directly after that.  So you have something like:

 This is the end of my signature.
 -- Begin GPG Signature ---
 GnuPG information
  End GPG Signature ---


This looks a lot cleaner than it actually is.  I know it's only a cosmetic
bug, but I can't tell TB! that the last line in my message is actually a
blank line, to give something like this:

  This is the end of my signature.

  - Begin GPG Signature -
  GnuPG information
  -- End GPG Signature --

Which is much easier to read.  Now granted, signatures will be stripped from
most MUAs that understand PGP/GPG, but for those that don't, it gets
confusing to read.

On that note, I seem to remember something about the OpenPGP specifying how
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Re: newsreader

[Jernej Simoni]

Hello Joseph,
 
21. junij 2002, 17:56:53, you wrote:

JN Is Agent good at offline reading, and can one compose messages offline
JN to be dispatched on next connection?

It should be (but it's a long time since I used agent). I did exactly
this with Gravity - and I always preferred Gravity's interface to
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JN I use Xnews, which I like a lot.  But it's not well-geared to offline
JN reading.

Isn't Xnews strictly online reader?

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Re[2]: Why won`t the Bat get rid of old mail

[Jim]

On, 6/20/2002, Tony said:


 Friends,

 I've noticed something similar, at least in the past few versions of
 The Bat (I'm on 1.60q now). The on exit settings seem to be ignored
 for folders in trees which aren't expanded...but if I expand the
 folder tree before I exit the program, the folders are purged.

 How odd...

 Tony

 Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] said at 12:09 AM on 6/20/2002:

 Hello Marcus,

 Tuesday, June 18, 2002, 10:51:13 AM, you wrote:

 I have the mailing list folders set to not have more than 150 mails in
 them (Using the folders properties window). Befor this I tried the get
 it to delete mails after 10 days. neither of these settings seem to do
 anything.

MO Did you tic Remove old messages and Compress the folder in the On
MO exit-section just below the settings you refer to?

 I ticked those off, and messages are still remaining in the folder.





  

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First post is a Thank You!

[Mike Apsey]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: MD5

Hello List!

I have lurked the archive these past few months and thought now that
I'm getting comfy with filters, I'd subscribe and check-in to say
thank you.

I purchased TB! only recently, having migrated from Agent, which was a
primary e-mail (multiple instance) for me since 1994's Agent99 rolled
into an e-mail client a year later.

I made the move to TB! as soon as I bought it and have never looked
back. Now that I'm comfortable with it, I have begun some filtering
exercises. All works as expected. Excellent software, fairly priced.

TB! has been incredibly stable for me. Never a problem. Of course, no
skins or such here. G I love it just the way it is with only minor
suggestions, which have been sent to RitLabs.

Thanks folks. Nice to know if I get into a jam there's some place to
turn. Please, if you see something amiss with this first post, please
holler.

Welp, here goes!

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Re: Questions

[Thomas F]

Hello Damian,

On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:16:50 -0400 GMT (21/06/02, 23:16 +0700 GMT),
Damian Gerow wrote:

DG This looks a lot cleaner than it actually is.  I know it's only a cosmetic
DG bug, but I can't tell TB! that the last line in my message is actually a
DG blank line, to give something like this:

DG   This is the end of my signature.

DG   - Begin GPG Signature -
DG   GnuPG information
DG   -- End GPG Signature --

DG Which is much easier to read.

Agreed. It is a much-critisised issue, I I don't know how they could
reprogram the editor to make that exception. But the work-around is to
leave a character, for example a dot, in that line.

DG On that note, I seem to remember something about the OpenPGP specifying how
DG the signature was to be included -- was it by attachment, or by inclusion at
DG EOM?  I don't see anything in the RFC...

I don't think GPG is covered in the RFC's at all...

DG 
DG Current Ver: 1.60q

A sig delimiter (consisting of dash-dash-space-return) at the end of
your message would be nice. ;-)

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Re: First post is a Thank You!

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, Mike Apsey wrote...

 Thanks folks. Nice to know if I get into a jam there's some place to
 turn. Please, if you see something amiss with this first post,
 please holler.

Nothing wrong at this end... except one point... you have setup a
filter to respond when somebody requests your PGP signature... and
then put your PGP signature underneath... is there any point in one,
or the other? ;)

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Re[2]: newsreader

[Joseph N.]

   On Friday, June 21, 2002, Jernej Simoni wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

JS It should be (but it's a long time since I used agent). I did exactly
JS this with Gravity - and I always preferred Gravity's interface to
JS Agent's.

I had read several times that Gravity was no longer being developed or
supported. But then I've read here some new references to it. I went
online to find it, but found only old references and couldn't even
connect to MicroPlanet. Is Gravity still being supported?

JS Isn't Xnews strictly online reader?

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Re[3]: newsreader

[Deborah W]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, 6:06:21 PM, Joseph N. wrote:

JN I had read several times that Gravity was no longer being developed or
JN supported. But then I've read here some new references to it. I went
JN online to find it, but found only old references and couldn't even
JN connect to MicroPlanet. Is Gravity still being supported?

It's no longer being developed or supported; it simply wasn't making
any money for the people who originally developed it. However it's
still available for download,  still works fine :-)

I found a website which had a pretty good Gravity reference section a
while back; if you'd like, I can dig it out.

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Re: Questions

[Damian Gerow]

Spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 6/21/2002, at 23:55:22 +0700:
 Hello Damian,

DG   This is the end of my signature.

DG   - Begin GPG Signature -
DG   GnuPG information
DG   -- End GPG Signature --

DG Which is much easier to read.

 Agreed. It is a much-critisised issue, I I don't know how they could
 reprogram the editor to make that exception. But the work-around is to
 leave a character, for example a dot, in that line.

Hrmm...  Okay, I'll try that as well.

(I've never programmed an editor, but I'd like to think that this be a
bug...  Perhaps I'll submit it.)

 I don't think GPG is covered in the RFC's at all...

OpenPGP Message Format: RFC2440
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2440.txt

But I don't see anything about e-mail attachments in there.  I remember
something on a mutt mailing list (or README or Changelog or something) about
the format of the inclusion of the PGP/GPG signature, just hoping someone
here could refresh my memory.



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Re: Under account/properties/options the ** periodically checking each * does not work

[Jonathan Day]

  Hello Dave,

 yes. i am using zonealarm pro 3

 That's probably what your problem is. I've been using the free
 version of ZA in conjunction with TB (on Win2K and WinXP) without
 ever having any problems at all. However, I apparently am in the
 minority. Many people have reported problems with TB that were
 eliminated by the complete removal of ZoneAlarm (apparently it's
 a pain to remove and you have to get instructions from
 ZoneAlarm's site).

Zone Alarm Pro 2.6.362 being used here with no probs what so ever on
Win2k. A version higher though, and the system gets wobbly.

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Re: First post is a Thank You!

[Melissa Reese]

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On Friday, June 21, 2002, at 10:02:21 AM PST, Jonathan Angliss wrote:

 Nothing wrong at this end... except one point... you have setup a
 filter to respond when somebody requests your PGP signature... and
 then put your PGP signature underneath... is there any point in one,
 or the other? ;)

Hello Jonathan,

It seems that Mike, like me, prefers to offer his PGP key via a key
request/email response - rather than upload it to the keyservers.

It's not, as you put it, his signature you're requesting when you
click on his mailto and send the request email; it's his key.  Once
you have his key, you can verify his signature.

Melissa
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Re: First post is a Thank You!

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, Melissa Reese wrote...

 Hello Jonathan,

 It seems that Mike, like me, prefers to offer his PGP key via a key
 request/email response - rather than upload it to the keyservers.

 It's not, as you put it, his signature you're requesting when you
 click on his mailto and send the request email; it's his key.  Once
 you have his key, you can verify his signature.

I know that... but go back and read his post again... and he has put
his PGP signature *below* that email request link, even though he has
the email request filter setup.  Just thought that was a little odd...
but that could just be me ;)

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Re: First post is a Thank You!

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Jonathan,

@21 June 2002, 12:02:21 -0500 (18:02 UK time) Jonathan Angliss wrote
in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Nothing wrong at this end... except one point... you have setup a
 filter to respond when somebody requests your PGP signature...

... erm ... that's PGP key. You need that to verify the signature.

 and then put your PGP signature underneath... is there any point in
 one, or the other? ;)

It's a bit different from S/MIME in the respect that the key is not
included with the signature. You have to acquire the key elsewhere to
be able to verify a signature.

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Re: First post is a Thank You!

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Friday, June 21, 2002, Jonathan Angliss wrote...

 On Friday, June 21, 2002, Melissa Reese wrote...

 Hello Jonathan,

 It seems that Mike, like me, prefers to offer his PGP key via a key
 request/email response - rather than upload it to the keyservers.

heh... ignore me... Thanks Marck... I completely didn't see one was
key, the other was signature... my apologies for the confusion ;)  The
original email is fine... just me ;)

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empty IMAP mailboxes

[Tomki]

Hello all,
  How may I get TB to display empty mailboxes in my folder view to the
  left?  These are mailboxes that do currently live on the server, but
  they are empty..  so TB doesn't allow me to get them via the Message
  Dispatcher interface..  that interface is only good if there are
  messages in the mailbox.

Thanks!

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Re: First post is a Thank You!

[Melissa Reese]

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On Friday, June 21, 2002, at 11:15:06 AM PST, Jonathan Angliss wrote:

 I know that... but go back and read his post again... and he has put
 his PGP signature *below* that email request link, even though he
 has the email request filter setup. Just thought that was a little
 odd... but that could just be me ;)

Hello Jonathan,

I think it's just you!  ;-)

He didn't just put his signature below his key request mailto. He
*signed* his message. There is nothing unusual at all with him signing
his message, and at the same time, giving his readers the opportunity
to obtain his key (so that they can then verify the signatures on his
signed messages; and also, of course, send him encrypted email if they
wish).

Melissa
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Re: Filter question

[Lynn Turriff]

Thursday, June 20, 2002, 8:19:11 AM, you wrote:

JEB Right now I have a Selective Download filter set up, where any
JEB messages containing particular header strings are deleted before
JEB downloading. The header strings are in a text file; I have put a
JEB shortcut on my desktop to this text file for easy addition. The
JEB problem is, since it's a Selective Download filter, The Bat! first
JEB has to run through all of my email headers on the POP3 server, and
JEB second has to download the messages it has chosen: almost twice as
JEB long, on my cable modem. Is there a way to do this kind of simple
JEB text-file search filtering without using a Selective Download
JEB filter? In short: I want to filter using a text file, but I want to do
JEB the filtering after the messages have been retrieved. Is there a way?

Hi Jonathan -

I can't find anything to say how to separate the strings -
can they just be put on separate lines, or should they be
separated by commas ..?

I've wanted to do this for a while .. thanks!

Lynn

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Re: First post is a Thank You!

[Melissa Reese]

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On Friday, June 21, 2002, at 9:55:48 AM PST, Mike Apsey wrote:

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Hello Mike,

This has really nothing to do with TB!, but since it's just one little
thread, I hope I'll be forgiven for continuing OT here...

While your key request seems to have worked, the key I received was
not the one you used to sign your message with; hence I still cannot
verify your signature.  :-)

The key you used to sign your message is:

0x563FD539

...and the key I received from your key request was:

0x4EBD8098

oops?

Melissa
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Re: First post is a Thank You!

[Mike Apsey]

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Melissa,

Friday, June 21, 2002, 2:40:22 PM, you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

MR The key you used to sign your message is:

MR 0x563FD539

MR ...and the key I received from your key request was:

MR 0x4EBD8098

MR oops?

Yes, oops. Sorry. The last one is right. I'm not used to Open PGP
and had done messed-up!

I think all is well now.
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Re: First post is a Thank You!

[Mike Apsey]

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Melissa,

Friday, June 21, 2002, 2:40:22 PM, you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

MR 0x563FD539

MR ...and the key I received from your key request was:

MR 0x4EBD8098

MR oops?

Actually oops2. Not the last one above, but the last one I sent. The
first one (0x563FD539)is correct--for the record. I think. :-(

Ho boy! Bear with me folks. Sorry for the traffic.

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Old men enjoy giving advice when they are no longer
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[OT] Donate free to the NSPCC!

[Ben Kennish]

Hi all,

Go here and click to donate free to the NSPC

http://www.nspcc.org.uk/donate-4-free/donate-upd.asp

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Re[2]: Questions

[Ricardo M. Reyes]

El jueves 20 de junio de 2002, 21.36, Allie C Martin decía:

DG It's a pain to type in every time, but I'd like it to be forgotten
DG if it isn't used for a period of time -- preferrably
DG user-specified.

ACM It's kind of cumbersome to be deleting the ini file all the time

you can use an scheduler (I'm sure there is one with every version of
windows, I don't remember it's name) to delete that file every 5
minutes, for example.

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Could you help me to understand !

[Claude Renaud]

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Hi everybody,


Recently I sent a request to a technical support writing a message
with the bat as usual.
But, the technician answer surprize me. He wrote back to me the following :
Your message with the above ID contained no recognizable text in its body
which was effectively empty.  Please try again, making sure you are
sending plain text, preferably us-ascii.

I do not understand because I can read my message (I can't see any
unrecognizable text) , my message is not empty and I use pain text. I even
read my message and his answer with the view source function and I do not
see anything wrong.

I send you back two messages as attachments which are my message and the
technician's answer, could you
scan them and tell me what is wrong and what I have to do to solve this
problem please ?


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Claude Renaud

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Hi,


I would like to ask you few questions about 4NT 4.01A build 54 and Take command
32 3.01A build 54.
I'm working with windows xp french version with all patches currently available.

I noticed two stranges behaviours with 4NT that do not occur with
take command 32.

First, I noticed that with 4NT it is not possible to delete files
that contain double extensions such as filename.exe.log for example whereas
it is possible with take command.
When I try to delete such a file, I have the error message 0 file deleted
whereas the file exists.
Have you already noticed that  and do you know a workaround ?
It is strange because others manipulation such as renaming that kind of
files work correctly.

Secondly, I noticed that with 4nt, it is not possible to delete
files contained in directory whose names contain accented characters.

Below is a sample batch file witch works under take command (delete
requested files) but fails under 4nt (saying that the specified path is not
found and so 0 file is deleted).

Here is my batch file :

DeleteMessages :

@echo off
set tb=D:\Mes Documents\internet\Courrier électronique\Messagerie\Archives\The Bat!\
del /s %tb%mon compte\inbox\*.tbb;*.tbi
del /s %tb%msn hotmail\inbox\*.tbb;*.tbi
unset tb

With take command all the .TBB and .TBI files are deleted hereas they are
not when I run this batch file after having opened a console session with
4NT.


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Claude Renaud

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 | Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:26:30 +0200
 | Subject: Few questions about two of your products.
 | From: Claude Renaud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 | Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 | Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Claude,

Your message with the above ID contained no recognizable text in its body
which was effectively empty.  Please try again, making sure you are
sending plain text, preferably us-ascii.

Note that questions and concerns dealing with Technical Support
for JP Software products should be posted in our Support Forum
where other users may be able to benefit from and participate in
the exchange.  Support via private email is typically restricted
to those who have purchased an extended support plan.

See the Support area of our Web pages at http://jpsoft.com/; for
details on joining and using the support forum, and on our support
policies. The Forum is accessible as a private newsgroup, an email
list, or a web-based discussion area.  You can choose the approach
that works best for you.

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Re[3]: newsreader

[Peter Kerekes]

Hello Joseph,

Friday, June 21, 2002, 11:56:53 AM, you wrote:

JNOn Friday, June 21, 2002, Jonathan Angliss wrote in
JN [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

JA There are so many useful features in Agent, it makes it difficult to
JA learn them all.

JN Jonathan,

JN Is Agent good at offline reading, and can one compose messages offline
JN to be dispatched on next connection?

Exactly this is the way it works.

You  can  download first all new headers in a newsgroup, you can choose the
articles  you  are  interested, mark them and download on the next run. You
can compose a new message or a reply and upload at that time.

If  there is a tread you are interested you can put a watch mark in which
case  it will download the full message not just the header right away. You
can  also build filters with certain key words in subject or author it will
again download the full article immediately during the next connection.

(You can also do the opposite for spams)
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Re[2]: Edited Shortcut file to find

[Peter Kerekes]

Hello Roelof,

Thanks.  I  guess somehow I lost it during the transfer of the directory. I
found  the  new one. Unfortunately I had to remake my custom keyboard short
cuts.

Friday, June 21, 2002, 4:08:19 AM, you wrote:

RO Hallo Peter,

RO On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:01:45 -0400GMT (21-6-02, 0:01 +0200GMT, where I
RO live), you wrote:

PK I presume I have not moved the file which contains the shortcuts.
PK Would appreciate any advise of which file contains them.

RO I suppose that would be shortcuts.cfg, the file can be found in the
RO directory that TB uses as default directory for new accounts.




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Re: Questions

[Damian Gerow]

Spake Ricardo M. Reyes on 6/21/2002, at 15:57:52 -0300:
ACM It's kind of cumbersome to be deleting the ini file all the time

 you can use an scheduler (I'm sure there is one with every version of
 windows, I don't remember it's name) to delete that file every 5
 minutes, for example.
 
I've set my scheduler to (hopefully) delete the file every five minutes, but
only if the computer has been idle for three minutes.  Now let's see how
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Re: [regex-tutorial]: Part 4

[Gerd Ewald]

Hello Januk Aggarwal !

  
On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:12:52 -0700 GMT your local time,
which was 20.06.2002, 07:12 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:


 Cool, I just tested this and TB seems to finally support back
 references.  This should make accurate regexps a little easier.  I
 wonder when this was fixed?

Hmmm, don't ask me, but when I wrote the German version in March it
already worked fine.


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Re[4]: newsreader

[Joseph N.]

   On Friday, June 21, 2002, Deborah W wrote in
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DW I found a website which had a pretty good Gravity reference section a
DW while back; if you'd like, I can dig it out.

Deborah,

Thanks for the offer.  I think I'll stick with Xnews for now.

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Re: First post is a Thank You!

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Mike Apsey,

In Reference to your Posting on Friday, June 21 2002 at 12:10 PM PDT,

 Actually oops2. Not the last one above, but the last one I sent. The
 first one (0x563FD539)is correct--for the record. I think. :-(

Well, the Key I received is still wrong... it cannot verify your
signature: Key ID 0x26C51F27 is the one you sent me, while 0x4EBD8098 is
the one you sent Melissa. Appears as if you have 3 different Keys.

gpg: Signature made 06/21/02 12:09:54 PDT using RSA key ID 563FD539
gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
gpg: Total number processed: 0
gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found



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Re: First post is a Thank You!

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Mike,

@21 June 2002, 15:10:08 -0400 (20:10 UK time) Mike Apsey wrote in
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 Ho boy! Bear with me folks. Sorry for the traffic.

No problem - that's what the list is here for - sorting out TB usage
and teething troubles. There is a PGP-Basic list on yahoogroups if you
want to get deeper into that aspect of things.

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Re[2]: Questions

[Mark Wieder]

Bats-

DG only if the computer has been idle for three minutes.  Now let's see how
DG Windows defines 'idle'

i-dle, adj., idler, idlest, v. idled, idling --adj.
1. unemployed, or doing nothing
2. unoccupied
3. not kept busy or in use or operation
4. habitually doing nothing or avoiding work
5. of no real worth, importance, or significance
6. baseless or groundless
7. frivolous or vain
8. futile
9. useless

Syn. indolent, lazy, slothful

Random House American College Dictionary

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Re: Could you help me to understand !

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Hi Claude,

@21 June 2002, 21:48:23 +0200 (20:48 UK time) Claude Renaud wrote in
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 I send you back two messages as attachments which are my message and the
 technician's answer, could you
 scan them and tell me what is wrong and what I have to do to solve this
 problem please ?

Nothing is wrong with your message other than that it is PGP signed.
Perhaps he is using a client that does something automatic with PGP
signed messages. Other than that, I suggest you try writing again
without signing or MIME forward the original message telling him to
look more closely at the message source and that the problem is at his
end not yours and that you can recommend a very good email client ;-).

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Re: First post is a Thank You!

[Mike Apsey]

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Nick,

Friday, June 21, 2002, 7:58:46 PM, you wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

NA Well, the Key I received is still wrong... it cannot verify your
NA signature: Key ID 0x26C51F27 is the one you sent me, while
NA 0x4EBD8098 is the one you sent Melissa. Appears as if you have 3
NA different Keys.

My apologies. With help from Melissa I nailed the problem with my
installation of PGP 7.0.3. My bad. That has now been fixed. I hope
Please send a new Key request.

My key requests aren't quite automated yet, but I'm close.

Thank you for commenting. I still have some work to do and at the
moment, I have guests, so it may be a bit.

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How do make the bat show in system tray at startup

[vj135doppa]

hi,

I have this utiltiy called startup manager.I just dropped the bat
icon into it.But instead of just showing in the system tray at startup
it starts to open the bat.Must have been the executable that i must
have dropped.

does anyone know how i should proceed so the bat just shows in the
system tray and does not execute when my comp boots.I am using win 98.

thanks



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Re: How do make the bat show in system tray at startup

[Geordon VanTassle]

 On Friday, June 21, 2002 at 18:01:47 GMT -0500 (which was 6:01 PM where I live), thus 
spake vj135doppa on the subject of How do make the bat show in system tray at 
startup:




v hi,

v I have this utiltiy called startup manager.I just dropped the bat
v icon into it.But instead of just showing in the system tray at startup
v it starts to open the bat.Must have been the executable that i must
v have dropped.

v does anyone know how i should proceed so the bat just shows in the
v system tray and does not execute when my comp boots.I am using win 98.

v thanks

From the main The Bat! screen, you should be able to go into:
Options- Preferences  and select the check-boxes that say Always
show in system tray and the one below it, Only show in system tray
or something like that.  It works both on Win 2000 and Win 98.  You
can also set it to minimize to system tray.



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Re: Questions

[Thomas F]

Hello Mark,

On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:12:42 -0700 GMT (22/06/02, 07:12 +0700 GMT),
Mark Wieder wrote:

MW Random House American College Dictionary

And why would Windows care about the actual definition? MS could just
have redefined it... ;-)

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Re: How do make the bat show in system tray at startup

[Thomas F]

Hello vj135doppa,

On Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:01:47 -0500 GMT (22/06/02, 06:01 +0700 GMT),
vj135doppa wrote:

v I have this utiltiy called startup manager.

I use the same - but I think the only interface available is in
German, isn't it? ;-)

v does anyone know how i should proceed so the bat just shows in the
v system tray and does not execute when my comp boots.I am using win 98.

Use TB's /minimize switch. Help / Topics / Index / Command Line
Parameters / Miscellaneous.

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On the other hand, you have different fingers.

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Re: First post is a Thank You!

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Mike Apsey,

In Reference to your Posting on Friday, June 21 2002 at 05:24 PM PDT,

 My apologies. With help from Melissa I nailed the problem with my
 installation of PGP 7.0.3. My bad. That has now been fixed. I hope
 Please send a new Key request.

Ok, I was able to verify the message I am replying to which you signed
with Key ID 0x26C51F27, but I still cannot verify the first few messages you
posted in this thread. Apparently you used Key ID 0x563FD539 which you
have not made available:

gpg: Signature made 06/21/02 09:55:57 PDT using RSA key ID 563FD539
gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
gpg: Total number processed: 0
gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found


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Re: First post is a Thank You!

[Mike Apsey]

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Nick,

Friday, June 21, 2002, 10:41:48 PM, you wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

NA In Reference to your Posting on Friday, June 21 2002 at 05:24 PM PDT,

 My apologies. With help from Melissa I nailed the problem with my
 installation of PGP 7.0.3. My bad. That has now been fixed. I hope
 Please send a new Key request.

NA Ok, I was able to verify the message I am replying to which you signed
NA with Key ID 0x26C51F27, but I still cannot verify the first few
messages you
NA posted in this thread. Apparently you used Key ID 0x563FD539 which you
NA have not made available:

My earlier messages were attempts to use my PGP 7.0.3 with TB! and it
could not be made to work. I changed PGP versions to PGP 6x and things
began working. The earlier key was destroyed with the un-install of PGP
7 so please disregard that one and forgive my bumpy start.

I still have some things to tweak, and my key request is not yet
automatic. For now, I'm giving up on today with thanks to all.

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Mike

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Re: newsreader

[Greg Strong]

Hello Jonathan,

Friday, June 21, 2002, 9:21:39 AM, you wrote:

JA There are so many useful features in Agent, it makes it difficult to
JA learn them all.  The speed kill files are really useful, along with
JA proper support for scoring, and a nice filtering setup.

I saw Nick's reply on scoring.  I agree with him. I know of no such
feature unless you mean Priority for filters.

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Re: newsreader

[Greg Strong]

Hello Nick,

Friday, June 21, 2002, 11:02:25 AM, you wrote:

NA Agent supports scoring now? That is news to me, as it sure didn't
NA last time I used it, which is why I 'upgraded' to XNews. ;o)

The interesting thought on this discussion and similar ones in the
past is whether TB! will incorporate more news reader functionality
into future releases.  I've heard this may be the case, but I guess we
will all have to wait and see.

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Re[2]: Questions

[Ricardo M. Reyes]

El viernes 21 de junio de 2002, 22.17, Thomas F decía:

TF And why would Windows care about the actual definition? MS could just
TF have redefined it... ;-)

actually they don't 'redefine', they 'extend' and 'improve',
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