Re: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send
Hello Lynn, On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 21:00:08 -0700 GMT (24/06/02, 11:00 +0700 GMT), Lynn Turriff wrote: LT> Is there any way, apart from intuitive deduction, to LT> identify which information is forged, and which genuine? Yes, and sorry for my typo in the previous mail. It should have been: TF>> In order to find that "injection point", YOU have to compare a TF>> few mails' headers. ^^^ -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. "Planet: A body of Earth surrounded by sky." Message reply created with The Bat! 1.60q under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Why do outbound messages hang in the outbox?
Hello Geordon, It was foretold that on Monday, June 24, 2002 at 00:22 GMT -0500, Geordon VanTassle [GV] would type: GV> When I write a message and hit "send" the message (I would think) GV> should move over to the outbox and transmit at the next interval. GV> But, it doesn't. It seems to get "parked" in the outbox, and has to GV> manually be changed over to actually send out. Perhaps this is a stupid question, but are you sure that you are using "Send" or "Put in Outbox"? Are you sure that you are not using "Save as Draft"? In other words, how are you hitting send? GV> Any idea why this might happen, or what I can do to fix it? The only thing I can think of is you are hitting the wrong key combination or icon. By default, parks the message in the outbox (draft) whereas puts it in the outbox for sending at the next attempt. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal I've determined the momentum of my physics assignment so precisely that it can be anywhere in the universe right now. Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Why do outbound messages hang in the outbox?
Hello The Bat user list, I have recently moved my installation to a Windows 2000 computer, with TB as a secondary MUA (my personal one, rather than the "work" one) and have discovered something odd: When I write a message and hit "send" the message (I would think) should move over to the outbox and transmit at the next interval. But, it doesn't. It seems to get "parked" in the outbox, and has to manually be changed over to actually send out. Any idea why this might happen, or what I can do to fix it? -- Best regards, Geordon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID: 0xFCF06B79 Your Fortune ==> "You are richer today if you have laughed, given or forgiven." Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Making Dispatch Default
Hello Miguel, Thanks for showing me what should have been obvious. It was a few days ago, but I just realized I never said Thanks. Dan Saturday, June 22, 2002, 3:29:48 PM, you wrote: MAU> Account/Properties/Mail Management/Mail Dispatcher/Invoke MAU> automatically at each mail check. Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Re[2]: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send
Hi Lynn, On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 21:00:08 -0700, you wrote: > Thanks .. > > Is there any way, apart from intuitive deduction, to > identify which information is forged, and which genuine? Take a quick look at the headers... some (helpful) mail servers put in "may be forged" headers along with the details. This is often a good sign that the spammer attempted to claim the message was from a source it wasn't. For example: Received: from caramail.com (host-213-131-71-117.link.com.eg [213.131.71.117] (may be forged)) by vampire.certiflexdimension.com (8.11.2/8.11.6) with SMTP id g5NDbnM09140 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:37:51 -0500 Notice the line says it's from caramail.com, then has the real host details of a dial up connection in the brackets... clearly the spammer attempted to forge the header, but the mail server pointed it out. But apart from actually sitting there, and processing them, no real quick way. I guess you could submit it to spamcop, and get spamcop to do all the header processing for you, and when you have the details, cancel the report... just an idea ;) -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Re[2]: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send
Hi Lynn, On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 20:39:20 -0700, you wrote: [snip] > I have no problem with the command line, but it's not > clear to me how this helps with a header that contains > only my mail address in the header, in both the 'from' and > 'to' positions .. or will it extract the *actual* sender's > ip location, rather than mine? Try looking at the Full headers for the email... The From: header is easily forged, as you can tell, and can also be guessed from the recent Klez virus (or 99% of spam) ;) By tracing down the recieved headers, you can work out the path it took, and ultimately the senders ISP, providing they didn't use some obscure proxy server to send through. > If so, this might help me track an email for a friend > which we suspect contains a forged sender location. As I said the From is easily forged, but often the path the email took cannot be forged. > I thought the last routing (closest to the body of the > mail) was the originator ... no? Yes... I think that is what I said, probably said it in the wrong way though. I have a habbit of doing that sometimes ;) > Thanks for the input! Glad I could help a little :) -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send
Sunday, June 23, 2002, 8:42:50 PM, you wrote: TF> Hello Lynn, TF> On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 20:39:20 -0700 GMT (24/06/02, 10:39 +0700 GMT), TF> Lynn Turriff wrote: LT>> I thought the last routing (closest to the body of the LT>> mail) was the originator ... no? TF> Yes. But some spammers put fill in some forged additional Received TF> lines, so that the real info is somewhere in the middle. In order to TF> find that "injection point", who have to compare a few mails' headers. Thanks .. Is there any way, apart from intuitive deduction, to identify which information is forged, and which genuine? Lynn -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.sites.onlinemac.com/hawthorne/ Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send
Hello Lynn, On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 20:39:20 -0700 GMT (24/06/02, 10:39 +0700 GMT), Lynn Turriff wrote: LT> I thought the last routing (closest to the body of the LT> mail) was the originator ... no? Yes. But some spammers put fill in some forged additional Received lines, so that the real info is somewhere in the middle. In order to find that "injection point", who have to compare a few mails' headers. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The most precious thing we have is life. Yet it has absolutely no trade-in value. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.60q under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send
Sunday, June 23, 2002, 10:50:29 AM, you wrote: JA> Hi Lynn, JA> On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:27:26 -0700, you wrote: >> I gather that only someone with SpamCop's resources has >> any chance of figuring out where the thing really came >> from ..? JA> Depends on how easy you find it to type a command, or JA> use a website. View the headers for the email, follow JA> the Recieved: header lines, the ones closer to the top JA> are the ones closer to you. The one you're more JA> interested in, is the first Recieved: header, which JA> *should* give you an IP address that connected to the JA> mail server to send the mail. Then use a resource such JA> as http://samspade.org and in the "Do Stuff" box, put JA> that IP address in. Samspade then runs numerous JA> queries, and *should* be able to tell you which JA> network the user connected from, and contact details JA> for that block of IP addresses. That is basically all JA> spamcop does, just saves you a fair bit of work :) [snip] JA> Hope this gives you a hint as in how the system works. I have no problem with the command line, but it's not clear to me how this helps with a header that contains only my mail address in the header, in both the 'from' and 'to' positions .. or will it extract the *actual* sender's ip location, rather than mine? If so, this might help me track an email for a friend which we suspect contains a forged sender location. I thought the last routing (closest to the body of the mail) was the originator ... no? Thanks for the input! Lynn -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.sites.onlinemac.com/hawthorne/ Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: Can Not Send Mail
Hi Nick, The headers for a message I composed are as follows (note: this message never went anywhere b/c it was rejected by the server): Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:37:01 -0400 From: Ravi Joshi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Reply-To: Ravi Joshi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Test 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit and this was the delivery failure I received from myrealbox: X-Auth-No: Return-Path: <-> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 13:28:39 -0700 From: Mail Delivery System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="1024864119-188-smtp-send.myrealbox.com" Subject: Returned mail: Delivery failure Precedence: bulk The original message was received Sun, 23 Jun 2002 13:28:27 -0700 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - The following address(es) had permanent fatal errors - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; originally to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (unrecoverable error) The mail system encountered a delivery failure, code -1. This failure could be due to circumstances out of its control, please check the transcript for details - Transcript of session follows - Error: Message content rejected Another note, I did get 2 messages from you, one addressed to the list and the other your cc to me. Also received two others addressed to the list but that is all...ususally traffic is much higher.. Ravi On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 15:57:17 -0700 Nick Andriash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Ravi Joshi, > > In Reference to your Posting on Sunday, June 23 2002 at 03:10 PM PDT, > > > Still cannot send any mail from TB! but can do so with OE and Becky. I > > have checked my Account settings, I have uninstalled and re-installed > > twice and I have installed a backup version of 1.60q. Still nothing > > works ; (. > > Here are the headers from this message: > > From: Ravi Joshi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Can Not Send Mail > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.05 > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When you construct a message using TB, are those headers any different? > > -- > Nick Andriash > Courtenay, B.C. Canada -- Ravi Joshi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Re[2]: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send
Hi Joseph, On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 13:05:49 -0500, you wrote: > You mean how the system *should* work. It works like that for your > mail and mine, and for the legitimate commercial mail we receive. But > it doesn't work like that for most UBE that comes from fly-by-night > senders. Sometimes the originating IP addresses belong to responsible > ISP's like Yahoo!, which might act to restrict their being used in the > spam chain. But more often the originating addresses are offshore > relay points, i.e., not *really* the origination points. Actually, all email has an IP address assigned by the mail server, even if open relays etc. You'd still be able to track down the sending server, and then the originating IP address, otherwise a service such as spamcop would be completely useless. Often spammers try to add fake received headers, claiming they're from hotmail/yahoo, but the IP addresses are often not the same, which is why spamcop does chain test, and does a DNS, then an rDNS on the IP address/host found in the email. There are two situations where the IP address in the headers would not be the real senders, and that'd be an exploited server mail script such as formmail.pl (I've personally been a victim to this one, as one of our clients was running it), or where somebody has used an open proxy port to 'bounce' mail through it. In the former situation, with spamcop, the offending server is notified of the bad script (it is often easy to spot bad formmail script useage by the headers, when an email comes from root@localhost or nobody@localhost, or in my case [EMAIL PROTECTED]). In the later, often the ISP takes action against the open proxy provider, assuming they're the offenders. I've seen a lot of the former, but never seen the later occuring, although it is a possibility, I doubt most spammers would spend the several hours required to track down an open proxy. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: newsreader
On 22-6-2002 at 13:42, Allie C Martin wrote: > > This OT thread which is allowed only if it's kept short is getting out > of hand. Would you kindly take it off list from hence forth. > Thanks. > I apologize for sending the last message. Saw this just after my reply on this subject. Greetings, Haico Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: newsreader
On 21-6-2002 at 19:06, Joseph N. wrote: Hi Joseph, > I had read several times that Gravity was no longer being developed or > supported. But then I've read here some new references to it. I went > online to find it, but found only old references and couldn't even > connect to MicroPlanet. Is Gravity still being supported? Unofficially yes: Someone who did work for the original Gravity has picked up development of the program. I downloaded the latest build and it works well. Although sometimes the messages will not be shown when you double click them, but after a few restarts the problem is gone. Here's the site for the ongoing development of Gravity and where you can download the old version and newest builds + documentation: http://gravity.tbates.org/ Greetings, Haico Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 11:10:27 PM, Ravi Joshi wrote: > Still cannot send any mail from TB! but can do so with OE and Becky. I > have checked my Account settings, I have uninstalled and re-installed > twice and I have installed a backup version of 1.60q. Still nothing > works ; (. Well, messages sent to your email address are bouncing, which is why you are getting nothing from the list: > The Postfix program > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: host smtp.cogeco.ca[216.221.81.25] said: 552 Error: > Message content rejected 552 errors sometimes mean that the mailbox is full. You need to log onto your mailbox (try using the Message Despatcher in TB) and see if there are any messages in there, and if there are, delete them. Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail!!
On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 3:54:06 PM, Ravi Joshi wrote: > "Edit Message -> "Recipients Address" > Message has not been sent. Server reply Error: Message content rejected." [I am sending this to the list and via PM] Was all of this in the error message? Where was the error message? In the TB Account Log? I don't understand the first line of the message - was this part of the error message? On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 11:10:27 PM, Ravi Joshi wrote: > As far as I can tell my FROM 7 REPLY TO are the same, however I was > messing around ( a couple of weeks ago) with a template for the AVG > plugin...don't know if this has anything to do with it but when I was > sending test messages I would receive an error message indicating that > the message was undeliverable but in the error it had changed my [sender] email > from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]! I still think that this sounds like an account configuration problem. For some reason, the mail server does not like the mail being sent from TB - when you create a message, and then view the headers (Ctrl-Shft-K) when the message is in the Outbook, are the From: Reply-To: and To: headers what they should be? With the messages from TBUDL, you cannot receive messages from OE or Becky? This suggests that the email address that you subscribed from is not the one that you are checking with your mail clients. Did you get any of the confirmation emails back from the Listar address when you subscribed to the list? Perhaps your current account in TB is corrupted in some way. Try creating a new Account in TB, and re-enter all of the server details and email addresses from scratch. Do not try to import the data - start again. Other than this, I don't know what the problem is. Hope this helps. Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail
Hello Ravi Joshi, In Reference to your Posting on Sunday, June 23 2002 at 03:10 PM PDT, > Still cannot send any mail from TB! but can do so with OE and Becky. I > have checked my Account settings, I have uninstalled and re-installed > twice and I have installed a backup version of 1.60q. Still nothing > works ; (. Here are the headers from this message: From: Ravi Joshi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Can Not Send Mail Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.05 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] When you construct a message using TB, are those headers any different? -- Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Can Not Send Mail
Please forgive me but I am unable to receive messages from the list (apparently regardless of my email client) and as such cannot respond to those that responded to my earlier post. Unfortunately I am forced to have somewhat of a one way conversation. I have unsubscribed and re-subscribed to the TBUDL twice and am still not receiving any messages from it. I only see what appears in the archives Still cannot send any mail from TB! but can do so with OE and Becky. I have checked my Account settings, I have uninstalled and re-installed twice and I have installed a backup version of 1.60q. Still nothing works ; (. Januk indicated: " The more common problem was that most SMTP servers would reject mail being sent through them unless the FROM and/or REPLY-TO addresses matched yourISP address. So for example, if you had an account @softhome.net, then you couldn't send through their server with the address @canada.com. As far as I can tell my FROM 7 REPLY TO are the same, however I was messing around ( a couple of weeks ago) with a template for the AVG plugin...don't know if this has anything to do with it but when I was sending test messages I would receive an error message indicating that the message was undeliverable but in the error it had changed my [sender] email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED]! I have since un-installed the AVG thinking that somehow the template my be messing things up, but unfortunately this did not work either. Anything you have would be very much appreciated. -- Ravi Joshi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Could you help me to understand !
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Claude, @23 June 2002, 15:08:24 +0200 (14:08 UK time) Claude Renaud wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Please try to trim your replies to just show context. Yours even included my PGP signature and the list footers! This reply should serve as an example. >> Nothing is wrong with your message other than that it is PGP >> signed try writing again without signing ... > The only thing I know, is that he wrote me from a compuserve address > probably with the compuserve software, do you think it could be the > reason whyhe was not able to read my message ? Possibly. > When you say "Other than that, I suggest you try writing again >> without signing or MIME forward the original message", how can I do >> this ? Just turn off the "Use PGP" or "Sign when complete" settings when writing to him. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60q-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7a-nr2b1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9Fg6DOeQkq5KdzaARAke0AKCNrtQxrQ65fup9NnxqSKb/oiA3TQCfZ5L0 giWqys6UtaMwLwWvxHmIkxY= =kmw1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send
On Sunday, June 23, 2002, Jonathan Angliss wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hope this gives you a hint as in how the system works. You mean how the system *should* work. It works like that for your mail and mine, and for the legitimate commercial mail we receive. But it doesn't work like that for most UBE that comes from fly-by-night senders. Sometimes the originating IP addresses belong to responsible ISP's like Yahoo!, which might act to restrict their being used in the spam chain. But more often the originating addresses are offshore relay points, i.e., not *really* the origination points. -- JN Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send
Hi Lynn, On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:27:26 -0700, you wrote: > I gather that only someone with SpamCop's resources has > any chance of figuring out where the thing really came > from ..? Depends on how easy you find it to type a command, or use a website. View the headers for the email, follow the Recieved: header lines, the ones closer to the top are the ones closer to you. The one you're more interested in, is the first Recieved: header, which *should* give you an IP address that connected to the mail server to send the mail. Then use a resource such as http://samspade.org and in the "Do Stuff" box, put that IP address in. Samspade then runs numerous queries, and *should* be able to tell you which network the user connected from, and contact details for that block of IP addresses. That is basically all spamcop does, just saves you a fair bit of work :) Lets take for an example, the email I'm replying to... The last received line shows this: Received: from [198.92.66.52] by omclust1.macnet.com (NTMail 7.02.3037/NT2917.00.86700c28) with ESMTP id qaypggaa for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:21:44 -0700 Now if we break it down... 198.92.66.52 is the IP address of the computer that connected to the mail server, omclust1.macnet.com is the mail server, running NT mail service. Samspade.org then returns that that IP address is being run on a service called Online-Mac... the contact for that domain is [EMAIL PROTECTED] took me all of 5 mins, but takes spamcop 30 seconds to do it all for me ;) Hope this gives you a hint as in how the system works. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send
Sunday, June 23, 2002, 8:17:33 AM, you wrote: awc> Hello Listbuds, awc> I've been reading about the spamcop and filtering, I periodically awc> receive email from "me" that is not sent from me. If I look at awc> the view headers, it says it came from me! How can this be? Now, awc> I've submitted this to spamcop.. and it just dawned on me that awc> they may ban regular email addres as spam!!! do you have any awc> ideas on what to do or how to stop this? awc> thanks, Laura Hi Laura - I was going to start a new thread on this, because I have one like this, and my email is the *only* address in the header ... Unless there is a reason not to, I'm going to filter the sender out .. hopefully that won't interfere with my email activities. I gather that only someone with SpamCop's resources has any chance of figuring out where the thing really came from ..? Lynn -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.sites.onlinemac.com/hawthorne/ Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: The Bat in Swedish
Hello Krister, On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 17:16:40 +0200 GMT (23/06/02, 22:16 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: MM>>I want to run The Bat! in swedish. KE> Me too, that would be cool. I don't know how to go about to translate KE> it though. You can do it, because it's available in several languages, KE> however, i don't know how it's done. Get in touch with Max Masiutin at Ritlabs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Tell him you would like to translate in Swedish and ask him for the language source and the the language compiler. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.60q under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail!!
Hello Ravi, On Sunday, June 23, 2002 at 10:54 GMT -0400, Ravi Joshi [RJ] pressed random keys until the following was produced: > Something very strange is happening I have not been receiving any > message from TBUDL since Friday and now, for no apparent reason, all > of a sudden I cannot send any messages from TB! v. 1.60q. I get an > error message saying > "Edit Message -> "Recipients Address" > Message has not been sent. Server reply Error: Message content rejected." Are you using a forwarding address for TBUDL and to send message? I used to use forwarding addresses exclusively and some POP3 servers would simply reject mail from those addresses. The more common problem was that most SMTP servers would reject mail being sent through them unless the FROM and/or REPLY-TO addresses matched your ISP address. So for example, if you had an account @softhome.net, then you couldn't send through their server with the address @canada.com. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Was August Mobius so rigid that he could only see one side of a question? Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Can Not Send Mail!!
On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 3:54:06 PM, Ravi Joshi wrote: > "Edit Message -> "Recipients Address" > Message has not been sent. Server reply Error: Message content rejected." [...] > The first time I tried to send this message to the list I received a > response I was not recognized as a member...so I had to re-subscribe! It sounds like your account properties may be corrupted. Have a look at Account Properties, and check that you have the correct User Name and Password in the SMTP Server settings, and that you are using the correct SMTP server address. One reason the TBUDL list may be rejecting your messages is that your email address appears different - that is, the messages are being sent with a From: or Reply-To: address that is different from the ones you originally subscribed using. Have you stopped receiving any mail, or just mail from TBUDL? Can you collect mail from TBUDL in Outlook? Check your POP3 server settings as well. Julian -- Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: Check default mail client at startup
Hi Patrick, On Sunday, June 23, 2002, 1:06:50 PM, you [PH] wrote: PH> Another way: PH> In addition to my previously posted registry keys you should also PH> import (don't forget to insert your local path ;-) PH> PH> Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 PH> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\mailto] PH> @="URL:MailTo-Protokoll" PH> "EditFlags"=hex:02,00,00,00 PH> "URL Protocol"="" PH> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\mailto\DefaultIcon] PH> @="E:\\PROGRAMME\\THE BAT!\\THEBAT.EXE,0" PH> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\mailto\shell] PH> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\mailto\shell\open] PH> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\mailto\shell\open\command] PH> @="\"E:\\PROGRAMME\\THE BAT!\\THEBAT.EXE\" %1" PH> Excellent! Finally, it works. Funny though cos I loaded up regedit.exe as "Ben" - Power User and made the changes with no permission errors or the like. PH> Maybe some professionals will be reading this mail so I've a question, PH> too: PH> I've replaced HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE by HKEY_CURRENT_USER in this case and PH> in my previously posted mail, so even as a non admin user I've the PH> possibility to add these keys to the registry. It worked fine: The Bat PH> was listed as the standard E-Mail client in the start menu (WinXP PH> feature) and it was used everytime I clicked a mailto link in IE. PH> Unfortunately, The Bat still asked to be registered as the standard PH> client. Maybe because it looks explicitly under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE? PH> So every user on the same machine would be using the same standard PH> mail client. PH> Wouldn't it be better if The Bat used HKEY_CURRENT_USER instead of PH> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE? If this is the case, I would say a big "yes"! :D -- Ben Kennish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send
Hi Laura, awc> I periodically receive email from "me" that is not sent from me. awc> If I look at the view headers, it says it came from me! How can awc> this be? If these messages have attachments and they're about 40 KB or 140 KB in size, it's probably a virus on the computer of an Outlook user who has you in his address book. You should not report viruses to Spamcop. I've had a few spam messages that included my own e-mail address (though not as the sender) and Spamcop ignored those. You can usually see from the Spamcop report if it plans to send a report to your own ISP. I'd try to prevent that from happening :-) I'm also getting messages from unknown companies telling me that my message (which I never sent) could not be delivered or was rejected. That too is a result of viruses spreading themselves, pretending they come from you. Yesterday I had an angry customer on the phone who thought he received a virus from my office! Best, -Daan- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send
Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED], On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:17:33 -0700, you wrote: > Hello Listbuds, > > I've been reading about the spamcop and filtering, I periodically > receive email from "me" that is not sent from me. If I look at > the view headers, it says it came from me! How can this be? Now, > I've submitted this to spamcop.. and it just dawned on me that > they may ban regular email addres as spam!!! do you have any > ideas on what to do or how to stop this? Sometimes the spammers use special software that take the email it's sending to, and use the same from address. They repeat this on all the emails they send, so [EMAIL PROTECTED] will have got an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] will get an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Usually Spamcop is smart enough to realise that both the to, and from addresses are the same, and discard them. The information it is really after is the headers from which the mail came from. If you notice when you go to submit the email, there are check boxes showing you who it is contacting... normally references to the From: case are unchecked because 99% of the time, they're fake. Next time you get an email like that, before submitting, check the reports, and ensure that none are being sent about the From address. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send
Hello Listbuds, I've been reading about the spamcop and filtering, I periodically receive email from "me" that is not sent from me. If I look at the view headers, it says it came from me! How can this be? Now, I've submitted this to spamcop.. and it just dawned on me that they may ban regular email addres as spam!!! do you have any ideas on what to do or how to stop this? thanks, Laura -- Best regards, alists mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: The Bat in Swedish
Hi Mats, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 20 Jun 2002 16:10:21 , you typed: MM>I want to run The Bat! in swedish. Me too, that would be cool. I don't know how to go about to translate it though. You can do it, because it's available in several languages, however, i don't know how it's done. -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V1.60q, on Windows 98 4 10 build Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Can Not Send Mail!!
Something very strange is happening I have not been receiving any message from TBUDL since Friday and now, for no apparent reason, all of a sudden I cannot send any messages from TB! v. 1.60q. I get an error message saying "Edit Message -> "Recipients Address" Message has not been sent. Server reply Error: Message content rejected." I pinged my ISP's mail server - it was responding fine. I called my ISP tech support - was able to send them mail using OE, but received the same error when trying to send thru TB!. I am able to receive messages I send myself from OE, as well as messages from other outside sources. The first time I tried to send this message to the list I received a response I was not recognized as a member...so I had to re-subscribe! Pleeease help! I love TB! and want it back! Regards, Ravi Joshi Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: Could you help me to understand !
Hi Claude, CR> The only thing I know, is that he wrote me from a compuserve CR> address probably with the compuserve software, do you think it CR> could be the reason whyhe was not able to read my message ? Yes. If he has an old "Compuserve Classic" account, Compuserve will translate incoming internet e-mail into its own internal message format, and it doesn't handle things like attachments and encryption very well. Just send him a plain message without any unnecessary thrills like PGP, and it should work fine. I also have an old account like that, but I use POP3 to retrieve the mail from Compuserve's servers. That bypasses the translation process. Your correspondent may want to do the same. Best regards, -Daan- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Import export mail problem with 1.60
Hello Nick Andriash, On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 18:39:49 -0700 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, June 23, 2002, 8:39:49 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Nick Andriash wrote: > Hello rpmathews, > In Reference to your Posting on Saturday, June 22 2002 at 06:30 PM PDT, >> I am trying to export TB mail messages to a format that will allow a user >> to import to Outlook 2002. Does anyone have any idea how to do this??? > It appears as if Outlook imports messages directly from Mail Clients, and > TB is not one of the Clients listed. Perhaps you could export to one of > those Clients listed, and then import from them. you can output to import to OE and once thats done goto outlook I noticed though that dates can be set all to current by OE... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.60m mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.C.S. Associates FAX (USA): (208) 460-3753 pgp 6.5.3 : 0x909D9B10 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Could you help me to understand !
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour Marck D Pearlstone Le samedi 22 juin 2002, 02:19:04, vous avez écrit : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > Hi Claude, > @21 June 2002, 21:48:23 +0200 (20:48 UK time) Claude Renaud wrote in > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> I send you back two messages as attachments which are my message and the >> technician's answer, could you >> scan them and tell me what is wrong and what I have to do to solve this >> problem please ? > Nothing is wrong with your message other than that it is PGP signed. > Perhaps he is using a client that does something "automatic" with PGP > signed messages. Other than that, I suggest you try writing again > without signing or MIME forward the original message telling him to > look more closely at the message source and that the problem is at his > end not yours and that you can recommend a very good email client ;-). > - -- > Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator > TB! v1.60q-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 > ' > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7a-nr2b1 (Windows 2000) > iD8DBQE9E8J7OeQkq5KdzaARArbGAKC/B4U8rkyh0Mtr++C+Hve7P160jACfV6Q9 > YnPCz0YdNNNsrmu5pBoVAUg= > =3qk2 > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > Current Ver: 1.60q > FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com > Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com > Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ Hi Marc, I viewed the source of his message but I was not able to see any information concerning the mail client he used to be writing with. The only thing I know, is that he wrote me from a compuserve address probably with the compuserve software, do you think it could be the reason whyhe was not able to read my message ? When you say "Other than that, I suggest you try writing again > without signing or MIME forward the original message", how can I do this > ? - -- Greetings, Claude Renaud E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailer The Bat! version 1.60q Serial number : C4C1C7D5 Windows XP Version : 5.1 Build 2600 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj0VyEkACgkQwBUuKtaPTPWXdgCgtqTOPgA8fs+KxqeQ9bWjqT2O YSEAn21n2dWOtTZyDlO1H9VRSvPHZm0D =mKz/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Check default mail client at startup
Hallo Ben, > But TB still prompts me to set it up as the default mail client > everytime I load it up, even if I load it up, click 'Yes', shut down > and then load up again! are you running WinNT, Win2K or WinXP as a limited user, i.e. without admin privileges? In these cases The Bat has not enough privileges to change the registry under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE. Even if you try to change these settings by the IE it won't be saved. The easiest way is to start IE as an admin and set The Bat as the default mail client (at least this works over here on WinXP). Another way: In addition to my previously posted registry keys you should also import (don't forget to insert your local path ;-) Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\mailto] @="URL:MailTo-Protokoll" "EditFlags"=hex:02,00,00,00 "URL Protocol"="" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\mailto\DefaultIcon] @="E:\\PROGRAMME\\THE BAT!\\THEBAT.EXE,0" [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\mailto\shell] [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\mailto\shell\open] [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\mailto\shell\open\command] @="\"E:\\PROGRAMME\\THE BAT!\\THEBAT.EXE\" %1" Maybe some professionals will be reading this mail so I've a question, too: I've replaced HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE by HKEY_CURRENT_USER in this case and in my previously posted mail, so even as a non admin user I've the possibility to add these keys to the registry. It worked fine: The Bat was listed as the standard E-Mail client in the start menu (WinXP feature) and it was used everytime I clicked a mailto link in IE. Unfortunately, The Bat still asked to be registered as the standard client. Maybe because it looks explicitly under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE? So every user on the same machine would be using the same standard mail client. Wouldn't it be better if The Bat used HKEY_CURRENT_USER instead of HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE? -- Regards, Patrick Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: Auto-reply by filter no longer working :-(
Original message received from Marcus Ohlström on 20/06/02 MO> On Thursday, June 20, 2002, 23:22, Chris Weaven wrote: >> The only things that have changed is I've added in the filter to >> sort The Bat! using the guidelines attached to the 'welcome' mail >> and I've added a few quick templates, but that's it. >> My guess is it's got something to do with the filter added for any >> 'tbudl' messages. MO> The filters are interpreted from top to bottom and TB! stops when it MO> first hits a filter that matches. If you want to keep processing with MO> other filters, tic "Continue processing with other filters" on the MO> Options tab. MO> Does this information help? It's stopped again :-( Why does it work sometimes and then it doesn't on others? He's another thought about it. My name is 1 of many in the 'to' list, whereas the ones that are sent to just me get the auto reply. Is there still something wrong in the filter? Thanks, Chris. Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
