Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

[Bill McCarthy]

On Wed 16-Jul-03 7:01pm -0400, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> I have a question to those who have their own address in their AB:

> What is the reason? - If you keep BBC'ing yourself, you type your own
> address into the BBC field once, and the history function will always
> autocomplete (faster than doing an AB search). Other reasons I cannot
> fathom.

For both BCCing and test mails to myself.  I don't like auto complete
turned on.  It's much easier to simply type 'me'.  I also don't agree
that auto completion is faster that AB search.  The former will find
every address - even those only used once.  AB search only finds those
in the AB.  So typing john= will usually get the right address
faster than type john and waiting for completion, then searching
through all the matches.

I know auto complete can be restricted, but got the impression that
you don't restrict it.

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Re: Cost Effective TB Backup!

[Bill McCarthy]

On Wed 16-Jul-03 5:15pm -0400, Greg Strong wrote:

> Well I'll have to back and look at your settings to see if I can set
> something up to track.  It would be interesting.

For a reference here's the command to compress my main mail store with
7z and zip (redirection for 4nt):

7zn u -ms=off -up0q0 -r %bu\Gild * >nul 2>> %bu\out
zip -urq1 %bu\Gild * >>& %bu\out

> Anyhow on this P4 2.4 Ghz 500MB Ram PC I ran a manual test on time the
> other day with not much change in the mail base. It took a little over
> 20 seconds to 500 + MB. When I do the 500 + MB from scratch it is about
> 10 minutes using 7z format.

I see you said "not much change," but 20 seconds vs 10 minutes is only
about 3% the time for an update.  Since my biggest folder files change
with only a little new mail, I'm running about 30-40% of the time for
a "from scratch" compression using 7z.

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problem sharing messages with multiple bat installations

[Mike J. Vincelette]

I have two installations of theBat using the same account on an IMAP
server. I leave certain messages on the server from work so that I can
download them later from home.

Some of the messages I access from location A do not download when I
check mail later at location B. The messages exist on the server
(i.e,. I can get at them using the Mail Dispatcher), but I think the
appropriate behavior would be:

1) When checked from A, download the message and mark it as "read" on
the server.

2) When checked from location B, download it from the server and mark
it as "read" locally (since it was already downloaded from location
A).

It seems to be doing 1, but not 2. (Oddly, it seems to do 2
*sometimes*, but I need to confirm this.) Shouldn't the mail be
downloaded from location B even after it has been accessed from
location A as long as it is still on the server?

Is this an issue, or do I misunderstand the correct behavior under
these circumstances?

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Re: Keeping messages on the server (and seeing them)?

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@16-Jul-2003, 22:30 -0400 (03:30 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:

>> Use the Mail Dispatcher to view all messages on the server.
>> There, you can decide which messages to download, save, delete,
>> or mark as read.

>> I do this from time to time, for the same reasons you stated.

> Thanks Ricardo, this was exactly what I was looking for.  Is there
> any way to convince The Bat! to perform this way by default?

Yes. Account Properties .. Mail management .. Message dispatcher
options.

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Re: Keeping messages on the server (and seeing them)?

[y7anect001]

> Use the Mail Dispatcher to view all messages on the server.  There,
> you can decide which messages to download, save, delete, or mark as
> read.
> 
> I do this from time to time, for the same reasons you stated.

Thanks Ricardo, this was exactly what I was looking for.  Is there any
way to convince The Bat! to perform this way by default?  To me, it
doesn't really make sense to maintain a group of invisible messages in
the inbox on the server -- if one doesn't want them sitting in their
inbox, the messages should be moved to a local folder or deleted, no?

Thanks again,

Cael



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Re: Keeping messages on the server (and seeing them)?

[Ricardo Marte]

Hi y7anect001:

ysc> How do I tell The Bat! to download the entire contents of the
ysc> IMAP server, regardless of the messages status?


Use the Mail Dispatcher to view all messages on the server.  There,
you can decide which messages to download, save, delete, or mark as
read.

I do this from time to time, for the same reasons you stated.

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Synchronizing sent-mail folder

[y7anect001]

Whoops, one more question.

How can one synchronize a sent-mail folder using The Bat!?  This 
is possible using Pegasus.

Thanks again,

Cael


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Keeping messages on the server (and seeing them)?

[y7anect001]

Good evening all,

I'm reading mail off an IMAP server from two different computers.  Unfortunately, 
The Bat! doesn't seem to be picking up messages sitting in the Inbox which have 
already been marked read with my other mail client.

How do I tell The Bat! to download the entire contents of the IMAP server, 
regardless of the messages status?

thanks,

Cael


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Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

[Bill McCarthy]

On Wed 16-Jul-03 5:22pm -0400, Dave Kennedy wrote:

> Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 4:31:36 PM, Bill wrote:
B>> I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and
B>> Return-Path: but I didn't find a definitive list.  Have I
B>> missed any?

> I checked the spams that leaked through and they all have my
> e-mail in the Return-Path. Looks like that's the culprit. I
> checked ~30 spams with my e-mail in the To: that didn't leak and
> none have it in the Return-Path.

That's right, back in  I
wrote to you:

,
| It's true that spammers sometimes put your email address in one
| of the "sender" fields, such as Return-Path.
`

> So, now the question becomes - what next? Hmmm. I looked at the
> suggestion of creating my own Known filter, but the choice in the
> Location column is TB!'s generic (and pervasive) Sender. Looks
> like it would simply duplicate the built-in Known filter's
> behavior.

As I said in that same email:

,---
| Create your own Known filter with the rule of your address NOT
| being the Sender and using the Advanced tab to specify the AB.
`---

The above, of course, assumes it's placed near the bottom of your
filters and it moves mail to a known type folder.

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Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

[Dave Kennedy]

Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 7:01:34 PM, Thomas wrote:
T> I have a question to those who have their own address in their
T> AB: What is the reason?

My reasons are pretty simple. I have many mail groups - tennis
team, swim team board, basketball board, school parents, etc.
(Hmmm. There's a theme there...)

Reason 1:
If I send a mail to one of these groups - say the basketball
executive board, I want to get it as well since I save related
messages in a separate folder.

Reason 2:
The e-mail addresses in these groups are shared to others. I
don't want to have to remember to add myself to the list when I
send it out to the others that want the e-mails in that group.

I use the member of groups feature in the AB heavily. Right now,
I have about 15 groups and include myself as a member of about 10
of them. Most of the ones that I don't are pretty much dead
groups that I don't use any more and leave out there for
posterity. (Computers are really awful for packrats!)

Reason 3:
Including myself in the group also makes it easy to confirm that
I've included everyone. I.e. 8 kids on the basketball team,
including my son, there should be 8 e-mail addresses in the list.
If I've only got 7, I've forgotten a family.

Again, YMMV.  This has worked well for me for years.

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Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Dave,

On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:22:53 -0400 GMT (17/07/03, 04:22 +0700 GMT),
Dave Kennedy wrote:

> So, now the question becomes - what next? Hmmm. I looked at the
> suggestion of creating my own Known filter, but the choice in the
> Location column is TB!'s generic (and pervasive) Sender. Looks
> like it would simply duplicate the built-in Known filter's
> behavior.

I have a question to those who have their own address in their AB:

What is the reason? - If you keep BBC'ing yourself, you type your own
address into the BBC field once, and the history function will always
autocomplete (faster than doing an AB search). Other reasons I cannot
fathom.

Thanks for helping my limited phantasy to reach new heights.

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Re: Different behaviour between one installation and the other whenmaking APOP

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@17-Jul-2003, 00:04 +0200 (23:04 UK time) Martin Schneider [MS] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

MS> What could be the reason that I get back the error message "Auth
MS> Error"? Even a new installation on that machine didn't help.

Firewall on the affected machine perhaps? ZA, for example, has been
known to disrupt TB's communications on occasion.

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Different behaviour between one installation and the other whenmaking APOP

[Martin Schneider]

Hello,

I encounter a strange behaviour. I have installed "The Bat" on two
machines. On one machine it is possible to fetch mails per APOP. On
the other machine not anymore. Some days ago I could, but suddenly it
didn't work. So I created a new account on another machine - and there
it works. The configuration (at least in the dialog boxes) are the
same.

What could be the reason that I get back the error message "Auth
Error"? Even a new installation on that machine didn't help.

Are there registry entries I can check and change?

Simple POP works perfectly on both machines. The passwords really
are set correctly.

I am really without any idea anymore.

Thanks for your help.

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Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

[Dave Kennedy]

Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 4:31:36 PM, Bill wrote:
B> I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and
B> Return-Path: but I didn't find a definitive list.  Have I
B> missed any?

I checked the spams that leaked through and they all have my
e-mail in the Return-Path. Looks like that's the culprit. I
checked ~30 spams with my e-mail in the To: that didn't leak and
none have it in the Return-Path.

So, now the question becomes - what next? Hmmm. I looked at the
suggestion of creating my own Known filter, but the choice in the
Location column is TB!'s generic (and pervasive) Sender. Looks
like it would simply duplicate the built-in Known filter's
behavior.

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Re: Cost Effective TB Backup!

[Greg Strong]

Hello Bill,

Wednesday, July 16, 2003, Bill McCarthy wrote:

> As you can see, 7z doesn't come close to zip in speed.  On my
> relatively slow machine (with nearly 100 gig free disk space), I'm
> considering switching back to zip with the -1 option for TB backups.

Well I'll have to back and look at your settings to see if I can set
something up to track.  It would be interesting.

Most of my volume of storage comes from only a few lists. TB lists are
one group. I keep all of them for a resource because I occasionally go
back to look for answers.  This is the main reason why I think the
ability to save a search would be beneficial.  IIRC it saves the last 9,
but if your looking a lot 9 doesn't get you to far. Others on the list
use another app that IIRC is Mail Bag. Maybe it is a matter of principle
but my old email program VA could save searches, and I like to stay in
the same application.

Anyhow on this P4 2.4 Ghz 500MB Ram PC I ran a manual test on time the
other day with not much change in the mail base. It took a little over
20 seconds to 500 + MB. When I do the 500 + MB from scratch it is about
10 minutes using 7z format.

Thanks for the info.

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Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

[MAU]

Hello Bill,

> Could you be more specific - i.e. which of the 25 topics returned?

Not rally, I didn't read them all. I didn't even count them like you
did.

> I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and Return-Path: but I
> didn't find a definitive list.  Have I missed any?

I think you are correct.

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Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

[Bill McCarthy]

On Wed 16-Jul-03 4:37pm -0400, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

> @16-Jul-2003, 16:31 -0400 (21:31 UK time) Bill McCarthy [BM] in
> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to MAU:

>>> And what is "sender"?  Help/Find/sender :)

BM>> Could you be more specific - i.e. which of the 25 topics
BM>> returned?

BM>> I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and Return-Path:
BM>> but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I missed any?

> There is no definitive list that I know of. We'll have to beg for a
> straight answer from one of the programmers. Maybe we should ask on
> TBBETA?

I'v mentioned this there .
Nobody added new info.

But MAU implied (with his smiley) this was straight forward.  Perhaps
he'll enlighten us.

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Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

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Hi Bill,

@16-Jul-2003, 16:31 -0400 (21:31 UK time) Bill McCarthy [BM] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to MAU:

>> And what is "sender"?  Help/Find/sender :)

BM> Could you be more specific - i.e. which of the 25 topics
BM> returned?

BM> I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and Return-Path:
BM> but I didn't find a definitive list. Have I missed any?

There is no definitive list that I know of. We'll have to beg for a
straight answer from one of the programmers. Maybe we should ask on
TBBETA?

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Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

[Bill McCarthy]

On Wed 16-Jul-03 3:56pm -0400, MAU wrote:

> And what is "sender"?  Help/Find/sender :)

Could you be more specific - i.e. which of the 25 topics returned?

I know Sender checks From:, Sender:, Reply-To: and Return-Path: but I
didn't find a definitive list.  Have I missed any?

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Re: Cost Effective TB Backup!

[Bill McCarthy]

On Tue 15-Jul-03 10:35pm -0400, Greg Strong wrote:

> What is the size of the source files you are backing up, and how long is
> it taking?

The "used" space is about 75 meg.  Compressed is about 15 meg.  There
are 827 files.  On my 800 mhz P-III it updates in about 80 seconds.

The builtin TB backup takes about 30 seconds to manually prepare and
about 16 seconds to execute.  So the total time is about 92 seconds
(beta and gild).

For relative speed testing, I did a new compression on my gild mail
store (a little over 31 meg).  Below are the commands used, the
elapsed time in seconds and the compressed size (mb):

7zn a -r \t1 * 74.85   4.90
7zn a -r -tzip \t2 *   37.36   6.73
zip -r \t3 *   10.64   6.85
zip -r1 \t3 *   5.54   8.20

On the full TB backup (not update), 7zn took 171.74 seconds (14.66
meg).  Zip took 27.90 seconds (19.11 meg) and Zip with -1 (fast) took
14.09 seconds (22.04 meg)

As you can see, 7z doesn't come close to zip in speed.  On my
relatively slow machine (with nearly 100 gig free disk space), I'm
considering switching back to zip with the -1 option for TB backups.

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Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

[MAU]

Hello Alexander,

> 16-Jul-2003 17:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'd prefer you don't quote my e-mail address in the body.

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Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

[MAU]

Hello Alexander,

> What Dave Kennedy wants to know is which fields of a message DOES the Known
> filter compare with the given address book?
>
> You know, FROM, TO, REPLY-TO, etc. etc.

Ah, that? I didn't know he was asking that ;-)

It's the Sender's address. At least that is what the Known filter says
if you open Sorting Office and select it:

,- [  ]
| The Known filter allows you to separate incoming mail by presence of the
| sender's address in your address book.
`-

And what is "sender"?  Help/Find/sender :)

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Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

[Dave Kennedy]

Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 11:53:18 AM, Alexander wrote:
A> 16-Jul-2003 17:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A> What Dave Kennedy wants to know is which fields of a message
A> DOES the Known filter compare with the given address book?

A> You know, FROM, TO, REPLY-TO, etc. etc.

Thank you!  I'm glad someone could translate my request into
something simply stated.

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Re: Stupid Nebie Question

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@16-Jul-2003, 13:43 -0400 (18:43 UK time) Danger [D] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Alexander:

D> Recently I had found a web bbs for the bat questions can any one
D> give me the url?

http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com/

D> Second how do I get into the Bat beta program?

You can subscribe to the discussion list here:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Beta versions are regularly announced there. Review the archive for
details (and download locations) of the current beta version on
http://tbbeta.thebat.dutaint.com.

Sniff around on the Beta FTP site for the latest version here:
ftp://www.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/beta

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Stupid Nebie Question

[Danger]

Hello Alexander,

Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 11:53:18 AM, you wrote:

Recently I had found a web bbs for the bat questions can any one give
me the url?

Second how do I get into the Bat beta program?



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Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

[Alexander]

16-Jul-2003 17:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I'm telling you but you don't belive me. The reason for the leaks is you
> put your Known filter first :-)

What Dave Kennedy wants to know is which fields of a message DOES the Known
filter compare with the given address book?

You know, FROM, TO, REPLY-TO, etc. etc.

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Re: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

[MAU]

Hello Dave,

M>> Anyway, if you put your Known filter first, you will see some
M>> spam messages "leaking through" as you say in your original
M>> post.
>
> I don't mind the leaking per se; it's not understanding the
> reason for the leak that is keeping me awake nights. :)

I'm telling you but you don't belive me. The reason for the leaks is you
put your Known filter first :-)

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Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

[Dave Kennedy]

Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 5:54:23 PM, Allie wrote:
A> This thread has now been declared DEAD . as in DEAD
A> HORSE!!

I wasn't trying to get a POPFile/SpamPal battle going.

What I'm trying to do is learn what the logic/algorithm is that
TB! uses for the Known filter. If that could be answered, I'd
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Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

[Dave Kennedy]

Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 4:13:58 PM, MAU wrote:
M> Loose messages  No matter what method, program, filter,
M> whatever, you use to detect spam you should not delete or
M> trash spam (initially flagged as spam) messages until you
M> somehow review them. There are always false positives and
M> false negatives. Maybe very few, but there are.

Agreed. However, since July 10, 2003 I've received 473 e-mails
classified as spam. I do review them before deleting them, but
it's easy to lose one in the manual review effort. When you have
an e-mail like mine that has been around on Usenet & the Internet
since 1994 every spam list in the world has me on their list.

So, reeling this back around to TB!, that is my reason for
putting the Known filter first.

M> Anyway, if you put your Known filter first, you will see some
M> spam messages "leaking through" as you say in your original
M> post.

I don't mind the leaking per se; it's not understanding the
reason for the leak that is keeping me awake nights. :) There are
spams that are being correctly identified as spam by POPFile, but
TB!'s Known filter is putting them in my Known folder. If I knew
what the logic/algorithm for the Known filter, I'd be better able
to debug the issue.

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Re: Mozilla and The Bat!

[ChaKy]

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On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 7:16:33 AM, you wrote:

> Thanks for the email Marek.
> I don't have this file! I'm using Mozilla 1.3.1, and have checked
> all the directories I can see...

> Thanks
> Joseph

Of course, you don't have. Just made this file in:
C:\Documents and Settings\[Your name]\Application
Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default\.slt

and put that line in it.

Regards,
Niksa

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Re[2]: Logic for the Inbox - Known filtering

[Dave Kennedy]

Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 4:07:53 PM, WL wrote:
W> Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 2:28:47 PM, Dave Kennedy wrote:
DK>> I've got the Known filter first. Sometimes people I want to
DK>> get e-mail from will send a note that has spam-like material
DK>> in it.

W> ...but that defeats the purpose of "training material." Within
W> popfile, one can create "magnets" to force a classification,
W> or just let popfile work its mathemagic and train the email
W> detection.

I use magnets lightly, but maintaining magnets is a hassle when
I've already got those folks in my AB.

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Re: Tooltips

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello TBUDL,

On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 00:29:37 +0700 GMT (09/07/03, 00:29 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Possibly. But I guess nobody has an idea why the tooltips don't appear
> at all in that new user's TB. I was hoping there is either a registry
> hack or it has something to do with XP. :-(

We just received a feedback: she is with Germany's biggest ISP
T-Online and had activated their "myticker" news ticker. She turned it
off, and the tooltips in TB reappeared. Weird enough.

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Re: Configure TB with PopFile on IMAP email accounts?

[neurowerx]

Hello Greg & Clive,

16-Jul-2003 08:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

GS>>> Can you only use PopFile on POP email accounts?

>> Um, yes. That's why it's called POPfile :).

>> I wish it would support IMAP, though.

> Would be nice.

I don't want to fire up the same discussion again ...yet the latest beta of
SpamPal has IMAP4 support, thought its worth mentioning in the daily fight
against spam. Forgive me. :-)

 http://www.spampal.org/beta.html

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Re: Suggestion

[Allie Martin]

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Ciprian Trofin, [CT] wrote:

CT> Now my suggestion: can The Bat! be modified to accept a list of SMTP
CT> servers for each account? If one fails, the program will
CT> automatically use the next and I won't have to change my SMTP
CT> settings each time I use a different dial-up ISP.

I have a feeling that such functionality will be a long time if ever in
coming.

XRay does offer a solution that may help you. You can get it here:

http://www.xrayapp.com/

The online help isn't as detailed as the readme file that comes with the
install. Here's an excerpt from the readme:

,- [  ]
| X-Ray could automatically select SMTP-server from a specified list
| accordingly to current IP address. It is necessary to create a record
| for every IP-range with values:
|
| *  Server: SMTP server, which should be used for given provider;
| *  Network & Subnet mask: definition of IP-range of the given provider.
`-

Getting the IP range isn't so bad. You can take your current IP and do a
lookup on it. Usually the port range is given as part of the
information. So when you connect to a particular ISP, XRay will know
which one based on your current IP and automatically use the appropriate
SMTP server.

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Re: Suggestion

[William Moore]

Hello Ciprian

Thank you for your email dated Wednesday, July 16, 2003, 12:00:44 PM,
in which you wrote:

CT> Now my suggestion: can The Bat! be modified to accept a list of SMTP
CT> servers for each account?

http://www.mailutilities.com/ars/ will take you to a product that
might help.

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Re: Suggestion

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Ciprian,

@16-Jul-2003, 14:00 +0300 (12:00 UK time) Ciprian Trofin [CT] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

CT> Now my suggestion: can The Bat! be modified to accept a list of
CT> SMTP servers for each account? If one fails, the program will
CT> automatically use the next and I won't have to change my SMTP
CT> settings each time I use a different dial-up ISP.

X-Ray will do that for you - see: http://www.xrayapp.com

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Suggestion

[Ciprian Trofin]

High All, :)

I don't know if this is the best place to suggest smth., but here it
goes: I'm on dial up, with multiple ISPs. Each ISP allows SMTP access
but in a different way: some allows external SMTP server access while
some allows only the use of their SMTP server.

Now my suggestion: can The Bat! be modified to accept a list of SMTP
servers for each account? If one fails, the program will automatically
use the next and I won't have to change my SMTP settings each time I
use a different dial-up ISP.

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Cip

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Re: Is this possible?

[Stuart Hemming]

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G> It is logged as an official bug.
That's a shame. Let's hope it gets fixed soon.


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Re: Is this possible?

[MAU]

Hello Gerard,

> Hi MAU,
> This is a known bug. It also applies to flags.

Thanks for the info. I hope Stuart sees your message.

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Re: Is this possible?

[Gerard]

ON Tuesday, July 15, 2003, 5:23:18 PM, you wrote:

M> It could be. It could also be that you are running a beta.


Hi MAU,
This is a known bug. It also applies to flags.
It looks like the data from the msg is stored in a buffer and then
compared to the filter condition.
If there is an action, like set a flag/colour group. This isn´t done
after al filtering on this msg has been done.

It is logged as an official bug.

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Re: SMTP authentication problem

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hi Omar,

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:46:11 -0300 Omar Colocci wrote:

[webhosts SMTP-AUTH ain't working]
> but the webhost returns the message "child crashed (#4.3.0)". When I
> disable the authentication it returns "Sorry, that domain isn't in my
> list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1)".

Well ... that sounds like a qmail error message to me and makes me
think: your webhoster uses and runs an imperfectly patched and/or set up
qmail installation.
The "Sorry, that domain ..." message is normal: you don't have relaying
privileges w/o authentication. You could try if 'POP-before-SMTP' is
set up (chances are your webhoster uses vpopmail on top of qmail and if
not disabled "roaming users" access by POP-b4-SMTP is active).
Additionally you can write a message to webhosters support about the
'child crashed' error, for whatever reason the password checker don't
like either your authentication data (it might run with wrong
permissions) or it get's these data feeded in the wrong format.

You can give them a hint about how to figure out the source of your
problem: they should attach a 'strace' (if running Linux) or 'truss' (if
running *BSD) to the password checker to figure out what makes the
"child crash". A medium to good administrator should have figured out
the reason within a short amount of time then and be able to take
necessary actions for correcting the misbehavior.
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