Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII
Hello Maksym, Sunday, January 25, 2004, 5:07:51 PM, you wrote: MK As a result of this behaviour combined with some other MUAs' (e.g. MK Microsoft-made ones') improper behaviour, there is the following MK problem reported by various people. The behaviour you propose cause more problems because some systems (especially those functioning in the US and Canada) do not know anything about character sets other than us-ascii (and ISO, if one is lucky) and that caused problem with message processing and the recipient may not get the message. In fact, at the early age TB! was functioning your way (i.e. it was setting character set even though there were no characters from that CS in the message at all), but we changed it to the current behaviour after cases caused by systems described above... So, basically, there is no problem on our side to assign non-ASCII character set for messages with only 7-bits characters, but this may be troublesome - this is why we don't want to do that :-) -- Cheers! Stefan pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M3 Look in Options, Preferences. Open the Anti-spam item and near the M3 bottom are the two thresholds. I don't auto delete anything. I have M3 the transfer to junk at 10 at the moment. Works great for me. Found it and changed it. Thanks for that. Now let's see if Bayesit catches anything. - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/45 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Aided by BayesIt! 0.4gm PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 Comment: Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com; iQA/AwUBQBTZgNttnLhkydF1EQIKFwCgk0jlDOtEMvIgc6UDEk7K7pnWU18AoI52 W18eWIuhikaXl/HQYaZ1cBn+ =3fJ8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Keyboard shortcuts
On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 10:13:33 PM, Roelof Otten wrote: RO You'll only need the same filter in all of your accounts. You RO don't need a common feature, just check 'Execute action set of RO this rule by pressing the Hot Key' at the 'Options' tab and make RO sure that you also check 'This rule is only executed by pressing RO the hotkey' In order to neglect the filter conditions you must RO have 'Check the selected message against this rule' unchecked. Hmmm...that should work then. Now I just have to find a keyboard shortcut/hot key that isn't already used by something else G -- Deborah Lottery: a tax on people who don't understand statistics Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M3 Look in Options, Preferences. Open the Anti-spam item and near the M3 bottom are the two thresholds. I don't auto delete anything. I have M3 the transfer to junk at 10 at the moment. Works great for me. SH Found it and changed it. Thanks for that. Now let's see if Bayesit SH catches anything. Finally!, it caught the fist message that came in after changing the settings! Thanks for the help. - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/45 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Aided by BayesIt! 0.4gm PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com Tracers work both ways. - U.S. Army Ordnance -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 Comment: Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com; iQA/AwUBQBTsJNttnLhkydF1EQII8wCg5C54J6ezZH4LTAHYYmjLclIwi70An0Wj oLQY4v7WW83qAiAH6rkg8rCQ =I/Fo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: temporarily using dial-up
Ken On Sun 25 January 2004, 12:43:38 +1000, Allie Martin wrote: You could handle it in one of two ways. - use your own mailserver with SMTP capabilities. This isn't as daunting as it seems and could save you a lot of headaches or introduce advantages you hadn't thought about. - use a little application called XRay http://www.xrayapp.com/xray/xray.shtml You can configure it to use a particular SMTP server depending on the IP address assigned to your machine. Each ISP uses a particular IP block to assign member connections. With knowledge of the IP blocks you can configure XRay to use a particular SMTP server when connected to a particular ISP. XRay is the solution I use. I cannot use the automatic selection of SMTP server since two networks I use assign me an IP address in 192.168.0.0 192.168.0.255 range. However it is very easy to set up a number of SMTP servers and manually select the right one - right click on the icon in the task bar and select. Done. I had previously used a work around similar to the one you are considering, but XRay is a much better solution. -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messed up replies to Outlook messages
On Sun 25 January 2004, 14:23:02 +1000, Jwayne wrote: TB is concatenating words when I reply to or forward messages received from an Outlook (NOT Outlook Express) user. Example of original text cut and pasted from message: Yeah, every now and then I put the camera down and close Photoshop and explore the truly disgusting world of PC operating systems. Example of replying to the message (quote prefix removed): Yeah, every now and then Iput the camera down and close Photoshop and explore the truly disgusting worldof PC operating systems. In the above, there are two instances of concatenation: Iput and worldof. This happens to every one of this persons message. There is no consistency in the word location in the sentence. I don't know if this behavior is common to Outlook in general as I'm having a hard time finding other emails from Outlook users. I think you'll find that it has to do with the HTML coding in Outlook. I can't find a similar example in my message bases at the moment, but do recall having seen this happen. Look at the raw version of the original (using the F9 key) and find the HTML coded version (not plain text version) of the phrase in the original text. That may show you what is happening. -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Multiple email accounts - nightmare
On Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 11:44:10 PM, you wrote: Marten, On 23-01-2004 00:36, you [MG] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MG Someone tell me it's impossible and I'll cease carping. It's impossible at present. MG Tell me it;s possible and then tell me what I need to do to persuade MG someone who knows what they're doing, to actually implement it. I agree it would be a nice feature. Please add it to the bugtracker under TheBat! Wishes, post the url to the request and I will support you in it (as will, no doubt, many more). I've been looking at the web site and I'm afraid I'm confused. Do I report it as if it is a 'bug'? If so where on the wb site do I do that? Or do you mean use the HELPFEEDBACKBUG REPORT? Marten Gallagher -- Annery Kiln Web Design Delivering Information Effectively www.annerykiln.co.uk Web Design and Site Management Web Hosting and Print Design This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee and is strictly confidential. If you are not the addressee, please do not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on it or any attachments. Instead please e-mail it back to the sender and delete the message from your computer. The system used to send this message is permanently checking for viruses and malicious scripts. However, email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free and annerykiln.co.uk accepts no liability for changes made to this e-mail (and any attachments) after it was sent or for viruses arising as a result of this e-mail transmission. Any unauthorised reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Multiple email accounts - nightmare
Marten, On 26-01-2004 14:38, you [M] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree it would be a nice feature. Please add it to the bugtracker under TheBat! Wishes, post the url to the request and I will support you in it (as will, no doubt, many more). M I've been looking at the web site and I'm afraid I'm confused. Do I M report it as if it is a 'bug'? If so where on the wb site do I do M that? 1. Go to https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/main_page.php and sign up. 2. Switch to TheBat! Wishes in the drop down top right. 3. Click Report Bug and remember to set it as a Feature. When you are done, please post the URL to your wish here. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 2.03 Beta/45 /thebat version os Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4/os Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Peter, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:17:02 +0100 (10:17 AM here), Peter Meyns [PM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: PM My only workaround as yet is to cp the decrypted message to the PM Memo field which isn't too elegant... ;-) You might want to PM support my related wish: PM https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002168 Thank you, I have added my note to your BugTracking entry. - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.03.47 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFAFRsLvZSrVDqOXK0RAicyAJ9Xvqcd5BYMPgk8LhDoyW2gZY4BmgCg1416 xvCw5dPEOZPt5r6GDIM/U7Q= =/9v4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP and Sorting Office..
ken green wrote: kg OK. Manual is better than nothing, I suppose... :) Yes. Read and replied filters do work automatically though. kg Not my experience. But I could have done something wrong. I will kg test this some more. How are you marking items as read? There are two ways a message can be marked as read. - you manually mark it read. - it's automatically marked as read as defined in the account preferences/options. Read filters will be auto executed only when a) messages are automatically flagged as read by your defined time delay after it's being viewed, and and b) you now move to another message or folder/account. If you manually mark a message as read and then switch to another message, the filter will not execute. kg I wouldn't mind making *ALL* filters (for my IMAP/non-mail accounts) kg Read filters. I set them up to work only when a message is UnParked AND kg UnFlagged, so as I read mail (all in Inbox) messages get moved unless I kg mark them. -- this is working fine in 1.62r, by the way. Hmmm. They work no differently for IMAP, so if you have them working for POP then they should be working for IMAP. By the way, if your connection isn't fast, then messages will not be moved right away but on the next sync operation. Try dragging and dropping a message to another folder. If your connection is fast, the operation should be immediately carried out as if it were POP. However, if the connection is slow, it would seem as if nothing happened. At the next sync operation, TB! will send commands to the server to carry out the move operation and then the folders will be sync'd to reflect the move. Could this be the problem with your read filters? kg What about folders that are not on the server? Are they kg automatically created during the sync process? I don't understand what you're asking there. How would a local folder be automatically created during a sync operation? kg What about folders set to NOT sync? It looks like moving items to kg folders not set to sync marks the item for deletion. When you move a message from one folder to another, the copy in the source folder is marked for deletion while a copy is placed in the target folder. The copy in the source folder is permanently removed when the folder is compressed or expunged, expunged being the IMAP specific term used. kg I will double-check that behavior, but that is what I want - if I kg move a message to a common folder for reference/archiving/etc., kg marking it for deletion on the server - only after the move - kg would be great. I don't have any common folders here, but let's try here and see. I have a slow connection here at work. OK. I dragged and dropped the messages just fine. I'm not surprised with this since the source IMAP folders are set to fully sync with the servers. As a result, I have cached copies of messages. The moved messages were removed from the source IMAP folders list, i.e., marked for deleteion, and if I choose to compress/expunge, they'll be permanently removed. kg Read filters and manual processing is good enough for me for now :) I kg can be patient if the read filters will work. I have not installed any kg betas yet (clean, fresh install of CE)... maybe that is why the read kg filters didn't work? Probably, though I do recall them working since I started using IMAP. I'd recommend trying the latest beta if you're an IMAP user. The last series of betas have been mainly bug fixing oriented, so they've been safe to use (is any software safe?). :) kg What do you mean by server side filters? Filtering done on the server. kg If you're talking about server-side admin because you have full kg access to your mail server, then never mind - I don't have that kg kind of access. Do you have web access to your IMAP account/s? Usually, if you do, you can create filters for web based e-mail accounts. These are the filters I'm referring to. Not very fancy, but could save a lot of trouble. I do have admin control of my IMAP server. However, all IMAP accounts are accessible via a web based client type interface. One can create filters from there. -- -=allie_M=- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com ___..__ SecureBat! Lite v2.03.47 · WinXP Pro SP1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP and SpamPal setup
Hello ken, Monday, January 26, 2004, 12:26:42 AM, you wrote: kg FWIW, anyone setting up SpamPal on The Bat should shut down and re-start kg TB after setting up an IMAP server the first time. kg I thought it was an upgrade/latest version issue, but it happened again kg with the second IMAP account I set up. I would get login errors trying kg to connect to the IMAP server right after setting up the account. kg Closing TB and re-starting fixed the problem. What FWIW stands for ? Thanks for help. -- Best regards, Jeanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Messed up replies to Outlook messages
On Monday, January 26, 2004, 6:23:56 AM, Robin Anson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RA On Sun 25 January 2004, 14:23:02 +1000, Jwayne wrote: TB is concatenating words when I reply to or forward messages received from an Outlook (NOT Outlook Express) user. (snip) RA I think you'll find that it has to do with the HTML coding in Outlook. I RA can't find a similar example in my message bases at the moment, but do RA recall having seen this happen. RA Look at the raw version of the original (using the F9 key) and find the RA HTML coded version (not plain text version) of the phrase in the original RA text. That may show you what is happening. Correct. I submitted the problem to bugtrack and it looks like it's confirmed. jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: IMAP and SpamPal setup
Hello Jean, Monday, January 26, 2004, 6:50:51 AM, you wrote: JS What FWIW stands for ? JS Thanks for help. It stands for For What It's Worth You might find the NetLingo site helpful for looking these up (there are so many acronyms in use!) http://www.netlingo.com/lookup.cfm?term=fwiw -- Best regards, Dan San Diego CA Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP and Sorting Office..
Allie Martin wrote: There are two ways a message can be marked as read. - you manually mark it read. - it's automatically marked as read as defined in the account preferences/options. Understood. I don't expect the filters to work when manually marking messages read. Read filters will be auto executed only when a) messages are automatically flagged as read by your defined time delay after it's being viewed, and and b) you now move to another message or folder/account. If you manually mark a message as read and then switch to another message, the filter will not execute. Yes, this is how read filters work for me in 1.62r. kg I wouldn't mind making *ALL* filters (for my IMAP/non-mail accounts) kg Read filters. I set them up to work only when a message is UnParked AND kg UnFlagged, so as I read mail (all in Inbox) messages get moved unless I kg mark them. -- this is working fine in 1.62r, by the way. Hmmm. They work no differently for IMAP, so if you have them working for POP then they should be working for IMAP. But they're not By the way, if your connection isn't fast, then messages will not be moved right away but on the next sync operation. Cable modem connection. Other operations seem fast enough. I don't think this is the problem. Try dragging and dropping a message to another folder. If your connection is fast, the operation should be immediately carried out as if it were POP. However, if the connection is slow, it would seem as if nothing happened. At the next sync operation, TB! will send commands to the server to carry out the move operation and then the folders will be sync'd to reflect the move. Could this be the problem with your read filters? Isn't this (the fast and slow connection) set in account properties? I have it set for fast connection. RE: dragging and dropping to another folder - I will confirm, but yes, I believe the behavior you describe is what is happening. kg What about folders that are not on the server? Are they kg automatically created during the sync process? I don't understand what you're asking there. How would a local folder be automatically created during a sync operation? When a folder is created, you have the choice of whether is syncs or not. If no, it remains local only, right? If it is synched with the server, it gets created on the server, right? kg What about folders set to NOT sync? It looks like moving items to kg folders not set to sync marks the item for deletion. When you move a message from one folder to another, the copy in the source folder is marked for deletion while a copy is placed in the target folder. The copy in the source folder is permanently removed when the folder is compressed or expunged, expunged being the IMAP specific term used. This is how I understand IMAP in this context and is the behavior I want. I don't have any common folders here, but let's try here and see. I have a slow connection here at work. OK. I dragged and dropped the messages just fine. I'm not surprised with this since the source IMAP folders are set to fully sync with the servers. As a result, I have cached copies of messages. The moved messages were removed from the source IMAP folders list, i.e., marked for deleteion, and if I choose to compress/expunge, they'll be permanently removed. Yes, I can *manually* move messages to common folders. I was trying to move messages to common folders with an auto-filter. I had set up a hierarchy of folders that were outside my mail accounts. For me, this was the best way to organize business mail as well as personal projects, because the source messages didn't always come from the same account. I didn't want my folders tied to a specific mail account. Perhaps this isn't a good way to do things when using IMAP? kg Read filters and manual processing is good enough for me for now :) I kg can be patient if the read filters will work. I have not installed any kg betas yet (clean, fresh install of CE)... maybe that is why the read kg filters didn't work? Probably, though I do recall them working since I started using IMAP. Read filters are only working half-way for me. I can get the messages colored, but not moved to a common folder. *Sometimes* messages will move to a folder within the account (set to sync with server). I suspect I may be doing something or have some setting wrong. This may be something obvious that I've just missed I'd recommend trying the latest beta if you're an IMAP user. The last series of betas have been mainly bug fixing oriented, so they've been safe to use (is any software safe?). :) I've started using the betas again, and installed 47 last night. Same problem with Read filters (not moving to common folders). I will keep trying though. kg What do you mean by server side filters? Filtering done on the server. kg If you're talking about server-side admin because you have full kg access
Re[2]: Bayesit
Hello Stuart, Monday, January 26, 2004, 5:29:54 AM, you wrote: SH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- SH Hash: SHA1 M3 Look in Options, Preferences. Open the Anti-spam item and near the M3 bottom are the two thresholds. I don't auto delete anything. I have M3 the transfer to junk at 10 at the moment. Works great for me. SH Found it and changed it. Thanks for that. Now let's see if Bayesit SH catches anything. SH Finally!, it caught the fist message that came in after changing the SH settings! SH Thanks for the help. Glad you got it working. I know how cool I thought it was once I had it tweeked just right and all that spam started hitting the junk folders automaticallyg -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M3 Glad you got it working. I know how cool I thought it was once I had M3 it tweeked just right and all that spam started hitting the junk M3 folders automatically What'd be /really/ cool is if the next version tracked down the spammers and melted the b*st*rds machines to slag. Maybe in v2. - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/45 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Aided by BayesIt! 0.4gm PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 Comment: Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com; iQA/AwUBQBVNEtttnLhkydF1EQK3BwCeJq9fhRJ8489v2g2reqq/L8Htt6UAoNyb wfd7/vftPVWaseV3+XsEw9rJ =Sk/7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folder Maintenance freezes?
Hello Deborah, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 19:24:39 + GMT (26/01/2004, 02:24 +0700 GMT), Deborah W wrote: Nope - it's an email address I use only for Yahoo Groups, since I'm subscribed to very few Yahoo Groups where attachments aren't stripped, there are very few attachments in that account. And there were *no* messages in the folder, only 822 within the entire account - perhaps 100 more before I purged it. Then I have no explanation. Sorry. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Deine Stereoanlage hat aber viele Knoepfe! - Na, ja, mit Reissverschluss saehe sie ja auch ziemlich bloed aus. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03.47 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Notebook Synchronizing
Hello Gerrit, Friday, January 23, 2004, 4:55:46 AM, you wrote: Then go to the Sorting Office and make a new rule under 'Selective download'. Make the rule 'Detect by originator' with as signal string your own e-mail address. This will make your notebook neglect these mails on the server. (Call the rule 'Ignore BCC copies' or something like that). That's it on this side. Also should chose 'ignore' one the advanced tab, I might have missed that. -- Thanks, Terry Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII
On Monday, January 26, 2004 at 2:30:00 AM, Stefan Tanurkov wrote in the message Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: So, basically, there is no problem on our side to assign non-ASCII character set for messages with only 7-bits characters, but this may be troublesome - this is why we don't want to do that :-) Would that the day when we all use Unicode come faster! -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. At a Towing Company: We don't charge an arm and a leg. We want tows. Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Saving Decrypted PGP Messages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Peter, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:17:02 +0100 (10:17 AM here), Peter Meyns [PM] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: PM My only workaround as yet is to cp the decrypted message to the PM Memo field which isn't too elegant... ;-) . I did some experimenting and found that you can export a PGP encrypted message (either inlined or pgp/mime) to a file in the Unix mailbox format. Edit the exported file with a text editor and _cut_ the PGP portions to the clipboard where you can use GPG or PGP Tray to decrypt it. Paste the decrypted text back into the exported file and save your changes. Then you can use the Tools menu to import the updated Unix file back into the message base. The end result is a decrypted message complete with the kludges. Although this method is certainly more labor intensive than using the Memo field, it produces what I wish The Bat! could do automatically. - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.03.47 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFAFVFZvZSrVDqOXK0RAlYmAJ94LKVmeWSPGZ2zeDgkP1uwmQ9r9gCg9J8Q jhA31utww35NnZfzKpHb724= =6lQm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (not LONGISH any more) Re[2]: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII
Hello Maksym, On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:09:25 +0200 GMT (26/01/2004, 03:09 +0700 GMT), Maksym Kozub wrote: Hope you get my point. Yes. And I admit to still not having read the RFC. Any high ASCII letter can never be 7bit data, - that's right, and that's what RFC2045 says. What it does _not_ say is that low ASCII (like the Latin letter t) is intrinsically bound to be represented as US-ASCII, and _not_ as KOI8-R or even UTF-8, for that matter. I agree with you. But see Stefan's message. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A chicken crossing the road is poultry in motion. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03.47 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: IMAP and Sorting Office..
ken green wrote: Try dragging and dropping a message to another folder. If your connection is fast, the operation should be immediately carried out as if it were POP. However, if the connection is slow, it would seem as if nothing happened. At the next sync operation, TB! will send commands to the server to carry out the move operation and then the folders will be sync'd to reflect the move. Could this be the problem with your read filters? kg Isn't this (the fast and slow connection) set in account kg properties? Those provide the suggested settings one should use when using a fast vs slow connection. However, you don't have to use them. :) kg I have it set for fast connection. RE: dragging and dropping to another kg folder - I will confirm, but yes, I believe the behavior you describe is kg what is happening. In the mail management setup for the account properties, do you have the 'autoconnect to server' options checked for all those options. In this way, when you do anything with an IMAP folder, a sync operation is done to update the server? I don't understand what you're asking there. How would a local folder be automatically created during a sync operation? kg When a folder is created, you have the choice of whether is syncs kg or not. If no, it remains local only, right? If it is synched with kg the server, it gets created on the server, right? I've been wondering about this. From what I've been seeing, it would seem that creating a root folder for an IMAP account leads to a corresponding IMAP folder being created at the server level. But then again, I only create folders at home and I do full sync's with all folders at home. Maybe this is why corresponding server side folders are being created. I'll do some testing later. kg Yes, I can *manually* move messages to common folders. I was kg trying to move messages to common folders with an auto-filter. Stick a pin! :) Now, I didn't realize that you're trying to filter from an IMAP folder to a common folder. I've never tried this and will try this later. Have you tried auto-filtering to another IMAP folder? I do that a lot and it works. TB! doesn't filter across IMAP accounts and may very well not filter to common folders. Can you manually filter from the IMAP INBOX to a common folder? kg I had set up a hierarchy of folders that were outside my mail kg accounts. For me, this was the best way to organize business mail kg as well as personal projects, because the source messages didn't kg always come from the same account. I didn't want my folders tied kg to a specific mail account. kg Perhaps this isn't a good way to do things when using IMAP? Perhaps not now, when the facility for auto-filtering to common folders hasn't been dealt with. kg Read filters are only working half-way for me. I can get the kg messages colored, but not moved to a common folder. I have bad news. When they're moved, they lose their colour change. :/ This problem is known and ways to get around this is being looked at. kg You are correct. I forgot about that. I actually set up a bunch of kg filters that way once before, but removed them because 1.62r wasn't kg synching folders properly and I couldn't download messages that had been kg filtered. But I bet v2 will utilize server-side filters exactly how I kg want. Hmmm They will work. However, the filtering can only be done to server side folders and not your local common folders. kg Server-side filtering is a really good idea.. It's great for me. kg Thanks again for all your help. No prob. :) -- -=allie_M=- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com ___..__ SecureBat! Lite v2.03.47 · WinXP Pro SP1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Bug (maybe wrong understanding of RFCs): an encoding selected by the user sometimes silently replaced with 7-bit US-ASCII
Hello Stefan, On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:30:00 +0200 GMT (26/01/2004, 14:30 +0700 GMT), Stefan Tanurkov wrote: The behaviour you propose cause more problems because some systems (especially those functioning in the US and Canada) do not know anything about character sets other than us-ascii (and ISO, if one is lucky) and that caused problem with message processing and the recipient may not get the message. Hm. If he does use a high ASCII character, the encoding will not be changed by TB. In fact, at the early age TB! was functioning your way (i.e. it was setting character set even though there were no characters from that CS in the message at all), but we changed it to the current behaviour after cases caused by systems described above... Oh, but if the recipient cannot receive 8-bit character encoded messages, how would he write in kyrillic and get replies? And why would the sender explicitely choose 8-bit? If the recipinet cannot receive 8-bit, there is a reason not to send him message thus encoded; if if he does, what point is there in changing it? I mean, it is between sender and recipient. So, basically, there is no problem on our side to assign non-ASCII character set for messages with only 7-bits characters, but this may be troublesome - this is why we don't want to do that :-) What you do is change the encoding despite the sender's explicit wish. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Apple - Typically a device to seduce men, usually equipped with a display screen. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03.47 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Notebook Synchronizing
On Monday, January 26, 2004 at 5:33:31 PM, you wrote: Hello Gerrit, Friday, January 23, 2004, 4:55:46 AM, you wrote: Then go to the Sorting Office and make a new rule under 'Selective download'. Make the rule 'Detect by originator' with as signal string your own e-mail address. This will make your notebook neglect these mails on the server. (Call the rule 'Ignore BCC copies' or something like that). That's it on this side. Also should chose 'ignore' one the advanced tab, I might have missed that. Yes - I realised that too. Have now set up my whole system - only had to do it indivudally to 30 email accounts on the laptop and on the desktop but it works - such luxury. Of course if this were implemented: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002408 ...it might have been so much easier! ;-)) Marten Gallagher -- Annery Kiln Web Design Delivering Information Effectively www.annerykiln.co.uk Web Design and Site Management Web Hosting and Print Design This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee and is strictly confidential. If you are not the addressee, please do not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on it or any attachments. Instead please e-mail it back to the sender and delete the message from your computer. The system used to send this message is permanently checking for viruses and malicious scripts. However, email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free and annerykiln.co.uk accepts no liability for changes made to this e-mail (and any attachments) after it was sent or for viruses arising as a result of this e-mail transmission. Any unauthorised reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bayesit
Once I copied and installed the developer's primer files
(http://legacy.sheltonbbs.com/~jmmorse/Bayesit/) this thing works
great. hasn't missed a one, threshold 30. and no false positives.
can't find the instructions url so I'll just copy them here:
I have uploaded my entire Bayesit directory, so that anyone can download it and
have the pleasure of using one of the finest spam filters anywhere.
You will not have to train it with so many emails, like before, just download and
install Bayesit from here:
{http://klirik.narod.ru/usefuls/bayesiteng.htm}
...then download these files
{http://legacy.sheltonbbs.com/~jmmorse/Bayesit/}
and then unzip them to your Application Data directory, it will overwrite your
Bayesit folder.
Or you can unzip them to a temp folder and then move them to the Documents and
Settings/Application Data folder manually.
(you should already have the Bayesit folder there since you installed Bayesit, just
overwrite it)
For example mine is found at:
C:\Documents and Settings\John\Application Data\Bayesit
After downloading all 6 files, then double-click the one named BayesIt.part01.exe
When you unzip these files it will replace your Bayesit folder in your Application
Data Directory.
Here are a list of all the files (with file sizes) you will need to download:
{BayesIt.part01.exe} (1.4m)
{BayesIt.part02.rar} (1.4m)
{BayesIt.part03.rar} (1.4m)
{BayesIt.part04.rar} (1.4m)
{BayesIt.part05.rar} (1.4m)
{BayesIt.part06.rar} (583k)
Don't worry about training Bayesit with a bunch of messages, just go
through the motions, because this will replace all the training anyway.
--
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Re: IMAP and Sorting Office..
Allie Martin wrote: kg I have it set for fast connection. RE: dragging and dropping to kg another folder - I will confirm, but yes, I believe the behavior kg you describe is what is happening. In the mail management setup for the account properties, do you have the 'autoconnect to server' options checked for all those options. In this way, when you do anything with an IMAP folder, a sync operation is done to update the server? No. I had auto-connect for -managing folders and -when account is selected. NOT -by any command. Will try that and report back. kg When a folder is created, you have the choice of whether is syncs kg or not. If no, it remains local only, right? If it is synched with kg the server, it gets created on the server, right? I've been wondering about this. From what I've been seeing, it would seem that creating a root folder for an IMAP account leads to a corresponding IMAP folder being created at the server level. At what point does the folder's synchronization settings take over? If a folder is set to synch and it doesn't exist on the server, shouldn't it then get created? Or should it be created on the server first, or through Folder management, etc.? But then again, I only create folders at home and I do full sync's with all folders at home. Maybe this is why corresponding server side folders are being created. I'll do some testing later. Not sure what you mean by at home or why that would be different. (unless you are referring to that fact that you are not now at home and will check later when you *are* at home) kg Yes, I can *manually* move messages to common folders. I was kg trying to move messages to common folders with an auto-filter. Stick a pin! :) ??? Now, I didn't realize that you're trying to filter from an IMAP folder to a common folder. I've never tried this and will try this later. Have you tried auto-filtering to another IMAP folder? I do that a lot and it works. Actually, yes. I believe filtering to another folder WITHIN THAT ACCOUNT does in fact work. Will double-check, but I'm pretty sure that was one of my tests and it worked. TB! doesn't filter across IMAP accounts and may very well not filter to common folders. This explains why I cannot filter to common folders. By their very nature, common folders don't belong to any account. It appears that common folders and IMAP are not going to dance together. I can live with that. Can you manually filter from the IMAP INBOX to a common folder? You keep mentioning manually filter and it is confusing me. Aside from selecting the Re-filter messages from a folder right-click I don't know how you would *manually* filter. And the re-filter messages option is grayed out for all IMAP accounts. Is it available to you? kg I had set up a hierarchy of folders that were outside my mail kg accounts. For me, this was the best way to organize business mail kg as well as personal projects, because the source messages didn't kg always come from the same account. I didn't want my folders tied kg to a specific mail account. kg Perhaps this isn't a good way to do things when using IMAP? Perhaps not now, when the facility for auto-filtering to common folders hasn't been dealt with. If you cannot filter across accounts, then filtering to common folders isn't going to happen. But if filtering across accounts will become available in the future, I don't see why filtering to common folders couldn't be implemented as well. The problem I see with filtering across accounts is the heavier traffic and server load. Is it substantially more complicated? kg Read filters are only working half-way for me. I can get the kg messages colored, but not moved to a common folder. I have bad news. When they're moved, they lose their colour change. :/ This problem is known and ways to get around this is being looked at. kg You are correct. I forgot about that. I actually set up a bunch of kg filters that way once before, but removed them because 1.62r wasn't kg synching folders properly and I couldn't download messages that had been kg filtered. But I bet v2 will utilize server-side filters exactly how I kg want. Hmmm They will work. However, the filtering can only be done to server side folders and not your local common folders. kg Server-side filtering is a really good idea.. It's great for me. kg Thanks again for all your help. No prob. :) * [Below is your post from TBOT. What started out as my (off-topic) frustration and worry about IMAP in general has grown into a Bat-specific discussion, so I thought I'd continue here. Besides, I was getting confused going back and forth!] * allie_M wrote: kg Your advice later is good. I am going to do my best to get IMAP as kg functional as I can (working with the limitations of The Bat) and kg then decide. Good. Get those server side filters going. The problem I may run into (and this may be because of the new
Re[2]: IMAP and Sorting Office..
Ken Green, [KG] wrote: KG No. I had auto-connect for -managing folders and -when account is KG selected. NOT -by any command. Will try that and report back. Ok. KG At what point does the folder's synchronization settings take over? KG If a folder is set to synch and it doesn't exist on the server, KG shouldn't it then get created? Yes. This is the case. KG Or should it be created on the server first, or through Folder KG management, etc.? I just created a new folder and set it to not sync. I then opened 'Manage IMAP folders'. The test folder wasn't listed there. I hit the 'reset' button to refresh the list. The test folder was now listed. Interesting. But then again, I only create folders at home and I do full sync's with all folders at home. Maybe this is why corresponding server side folders are being created. I'll do some testing later. KG Not sure what you mean by at home or why that would be different. At home, my IMAP server is right beside me on the LAN. I don't have to wait forever for things to happen. I can therefore test quickly. :) The connection to my IMAP server from work is very slow. It takes a long time to create folders and move messages. I don't filter messages at work. It would take too long. All filtering is done from home with TB! or on the server. I only read and reply to mail from work. I do only an occasional message move or deletion. KG Actually, yes. I believe filtering to another folder WITHIN THAT KG ACCOUNT does in fact work. Will double-check, but I'm pretty sure that KG was one of my tests and it worked. Ok, good. So the problem is with filtering from an IMAP folder to a local common folder. This doesn't seem to be possible. I just tried it and more than I expected happened. I did the following: - I created a common folder - I then adjusted one of my read filters to filter to it. - I then moved one of the target messages to my Inbox and marked it unread. - I opened the message where it was marked as read and moved to another message. Not only was it not moved, but another message appeared with no visible headers. Only the folder flag was visible. On looking at the message source, there was a lot of gibberish. After that, the Inbox was stuck. I had to restart SecureBat! to free things up. On the next try at autofiltering to the common folder nothing happened. I switched back the target folder to an IMAP folder and it worked again. Strange bug. KG This explains why I cannot filter to common folders. By their very KG nature, common folders don't belong to any account. It appears that KG common folders and IMAP are not going to dance together. I can live KG with that. Ok. KG You keep mentioning manually filter and it is confusing me. Aside KG from selecting the Re-filter messages from a folder right-click I KG don't know how you would *manually* filter. Yes. That's the way to do it. However, that seems to be disabled in TB! 2.03 beta/47. GONK!! :/ It seems to be OK here in SecureBat! Lite v2.03.47 KG If you cannot filter across accounts, then filtering to common folders KG isn't going to happen. But if filtering across accounts will become KG available in the future, I don't see why filtering to common folders KG couldn't be implemented as well. Agreed. KG The problem I see with filtering across accounts is the heavier KG traffic and server load. Is it substantially more complicated? Other clients, namely Mulberry already have this ability. So I don't see why this shouldn't be possible, especially if the accounts are on the same IMAP server. KG The problem I may run into (and this may be because of the new real KG implementation of IMAP) is that for my business account, I have a filter KG that redirects messages to my cell phone, giving me a notification of KG when I get an e-mail. 99% of the time, the small amount of info sent is KG enough for me (my carrier truncates messages that are too long/too big). Without autofiltering, this isn't possible, so a TB! IMAP account would have you stuck. KG Also.. (get ready to roll your eyes...) I have been testing on my KG laptop, right? Well, guess what genius was testing on his laptop with KG accounts that were also being hit by the desktop running 1.62r... At KG the very least, this screwed up read flags. Who knows what other KG trouble this caused. I will remember to shut down the desktop while KG testing on the laptop. Note that with two proper IMAP clients this shouldn't matter. I have ThunderBird running now on this laptop. It's polling the same IMAP account that SecureBat! is polling as we speak. No problems at all. KG Assuming that (like me) most of that mail would not contain KG attachments, running into server space problems won't be an issue. KG It would be nice to access all of the TBUDL list I have downloading KG since joining from wherever I am. Wouldn't the initial sync be a KG killer? Yikes! Yes. It can be if it's a lot of messages and you're doing a
disable parallel mail catchup of all accounts
Hello bats, is there a way to configure the Connection Center to fetch mail account by account and not on all accounts at the same time? As I use POPFile with Allow concurrent POP3 connections turned off this will lead to timeouting of the accounts that get fetched in the end, if the first accounts take some time. -- shinE! http://www.thequod.de ICQ#152282665 PGP 8.0 key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/40 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I kinda like my Bat :)
Hello Jean, Sunday, January 25, 2004, 1:49:32 PM, Jean Site wrote: JS What FYI stands for ? http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exactAcronym=FYIFind=Find You can use www.acronymfinder.com for any acronym. It is handy. -- Best regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Newbie here :)
Hello I just downloaded The Bat! tonite, and am figuring it out. I am sure I will have questions as they come to me. I look forward to learning more about this client! Robin Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: disable parallel mail catchup of all accounts
On Monday, January 26, 2004, 5:13:33 PM, dAniel hAhler wrote: dh is there a way to configure the Connection Center to fetch mail dh account by account and not on all accounts at the same time? You can set individual accounts to *not* fetch mail by choosing the Ignore Check All Accounts Request on the Options tab of Account Properties, but I suspect that isn't really what you're looking for. There isn't a way to select a bunch of accounts have TB check only the selected accounts though - a feature I'd really like to see. -- Deborah Impossibilities are merely things of which we have not learned, or which we do not wish to happen - Charles W. Chestnutt Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
