Symantec Antivirus Corporate Edition

[Mamuka Khantadze]

Hello Folks,


I'm just wondering whether or not Symantec Antivirus Corporate Edition
has any plug-in to be used with THE BAT!?


-- 
 
Sincerely,


Mamuka Khantadze
Finance & Administration Director
Healthy Women in Georgia Program (http://healthywomen.ge)
John Snow (JSI) Research & Training Institute, Inc. (http://jsi.com)
25 Gogebashvili street, 4600, Kutaisi, Georgia
Tel./Fax: +995-331 45363. 45364, 45717
Mobile: +995-99 929297, E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

System: Windows XP,2600, 5, 1 
The Bat!: 2.10.03



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Re: AVG anti-spam update and restarting TB

[Lee Gibbon]

Hello tbudlers,

  I thought I'd give this another try.

Saturday, May 8, 2004, 12:36:41 PM, I wrote:

>   I've noticed that when I update AVG's virus definitions (6.0 free
>   version), that the version number showing in TB
>   (options|preferences|anti-virus) has not updated to the latest
>   version.  I've always closed and restarted TB.  Is it really
>   necessary to do that to get the anti-virus plugin updated?

To put it differently:  I'm sure many of you use TB with an anti-virus
plug in.  Do you need to close and restart TB after updating the virus
definitions?  It used to be that AVG would warn me that TB was running
(with the plug in) when I would update it and that I should restart TB.
That hasn't happened for some months now (after an update).  Does anyone
know if that is still necessary generally, and for AVG in particular?

-- 
Best regards,
 Lee

Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build  2195
Service Pack 4



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Re: The probes have worked.

[Mary Bull]

Hello Kevin!

On Tuesday, May 18, 2004, 9:44 PM, you wrote, in part:

KC> Thanks for the background information. I'm not a fan of the C/R
KC> philosophy. It seems much too annoying when controlling spam can
KC> simply be resolved by having an efficient spam filtering system.

It would have been more than annoyance for me, if the mail from
RiskFreeMail had arrived in my Inbox before I read about the problem
in Marck's first post about it.

The wording would have made me think tbudl's moderators had put me on
hold. Depending on whether that caught me in a brave or a cowardly
mood, I might have spent a sleepless night before finally asking the
moderators what I had done wrong, to have my post regarded as
potential junk.

Forewarned, I put the horrid thing in its own junk folder temporarily,
as I watched the developments here, and eventually I had the pleasure
of seeing from Leif that everything has turned out well and the
problem is taken care of.

-- 
Best regards,
Mary

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Re: The probes have worked.

[Kevin Coates]

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Hash: SHA1

Hi Leif,

On Tue, 18 May 2004 20:02:14 -0600 (10:02 PM here), Leif Gregory [LG]
wrote in :

KC>> I have to ask  can you now disclose the purpose of the probes
KC>> and what the initial problem was? If I missed the original thread
KC>> can you point me in the right direction?

LG> A user subscribed using the RiskFreeMail.com Challenge/Response
LG> system. Either the system is incapable of, or the user didn't
LG> properly configure it to exclude list traffic from its challenges.

Thanks for the background information. I'm not a fan of the C/R
philosophy. It seems much too annoying when controlling spam can
simply be resolved by having an efficient spam filtering system. Why
place the burden of controlling one's spam on their contacts? The few
people who I've attempted to e-mail who use this method I give up on.

After reading your message, the C/R methodology appears even more
annoying than I initially thought. The fact that RiskFreeMail is
unresponsive to complaints is particularly troublesome. I can just
envision flocks of the bored setting up temporary accounts with the
sole purpose of annoying list users and moderators.

I'm glad your probes found the culprit and hope there's a way to
prevent this type of problem from surfacing again.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.11 Beta/6 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

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Re: Backup script

[Greg Strong]

Hello MAU,

Tuesday, May 18, 2004, 8:14:30 PM, MAU wrote:

>> TB! isn't the only thing I backup.

M> See my reply to your 

Well it all comes down to an individual's needs. Geez have I heard that
before.  :-)  For me running a BAT file for an incremental backup on
shut down of TB works great.

-- 
Best Regards,
Greg Strong   

Using The Bat! v2.11 Beta/6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1

Without Time, everything would happen at once.



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Re: Backup script

[Allie Martin]

Miguel Urech, [MU] wrote:

MU> Yes, but I don't just backup TB.

Does that really matter especially since you're not really aware of
just what others here may or may not need to backup? This seems to be
the crux of the misunderstanding. The discussion has been about
backing up TB! and nothing else.

Many get by without the 'fancy' backing up that you do because they
don't have the same backup requirements as you do. A couple of those
batch scripts will therefore work just fine and will not amount to a
headache. Take my wife for example. I just backup TB! and her
Documents directory daily to a 750MB zip. Do I need Second Copy for
that. NO! A single batch script, with a few lines of text run with the
system scheduler works just fine, thanks. :) It's all a matter of
needs. What's fine for one, is a hassle for the other.

I think I'm finished here since this is becoming unproductive.

-- 
-=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user)

PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com
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Re: The probes have worked.

[Leif Gregory]

Hi Kevin,

On Tue, 18 May 2004, at 21:42:49 [GMT -0400] (which was 7:42 PM where
I live) you wrote:
KC> I have to ask  can you now disclose the purpose of the probes
KC> and what the initial problem was? If I missed the original thread
KC> can you point me in the right direction?

A user subscribed using the RiskFreeMail.com Challenge/Response
system. Either the system is incapable of, or the user didn't properly
configure it to exclude list traffic from its challenges.

Basically what happened is when anyone posted to TBUDL, this user's
C/R system sent them an e-mail requesting them to respond to the
challenge so that their mail would be allowed to this user's inbox. I
liken it to people who post to lists with the Reading Confirmation
Flag set.

At any rate the problem with this particular system is that it doesn't
tell you who the real subscriber is, and even though I did respond to
the challenge, I was unable to determine who the user was, and hence
unable to tell them that their C/R system was causing so much grief.

E-mails to RiskFreeMail.com went unanswered / ignored, so our only
alternative was to devise a probe system that allowed us to uniquely
identify who that subscriber was so we could unsubscribe them.

It took a few probes as their system didn't respond to the first set
of probes, which we assumed to be a SPAM blocking feature on their end
because the user's e-mail address was identified in the subject line.
We took a look at the methodology and came up with another method to
uniquely identify them via an ID number buried in a rather innocuous
subject line. This was the methodology we used to send out the last
probe.

The probes did what they were designed to do in that it did reveal who
the user ultimately was which we unsubscribed.

I apologize for the number of probes as we had to work some kinks out
of the PHP code and MySQL database.

Again, thanks for everyone's patience. We'll keep this tool on hand
(now that the bugs are worked out) and use it ever so sparingly if a
RiskFreeMail.com user ever subscribes again.




-- 
Cheers,
Leif Gregory 

List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user)
PCWize Editor  /  ICQ 216395  /  PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F
Web Site 
TB FAQ   
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on a P4 1.6Ghz OC'd to 2.32Ghz with 512MB.

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Re: The probes have worked.

[Kevin Coates]

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Hash: SHA1

Hi Leif,

On Tue, 18 May 2004 18:54:49 -0600 (8:54 PM here), Leif Gregory [LG]
wrote in :

LG> We have discovered the true address for the user who subscribed with
LG> an improperly configured C/R system.

I have to ask  can you now disclose the purpose of the probes and
what the initial problem was? If I missed the original thread can you
point me in the right direction?

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v2.11 Beta/6 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1

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SPAM Filtering Problems

[Brien King]

TBUDL,


  I'm using The Bat! Version 2.10.03
  under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1


The Spam Filtering does not appear to be working on
TheBat!

It is not catching ANY SPAM at all.

I have the Protection set at "Average" and to move junk
mail on a score of 60 or more.

I have marked several hundred messages as Junk and
Several hundred messages as NOT Junk and the filter
doesn't appear to be working at all.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


-- 
Brien King
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Visit the Arcade Restoration Workshop @ http://www.arcaderestoration.com
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Re: A challenge/response to TBUDL identity

[MAU]

Hello Mica,

> I cannot see the way how to implement that in selective download
> filter. Is it possible at all?

As far as I know all such messages have a From address similar to this:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. So, you can try a Selective Download
filter for:

On rule tab:
Detect by: Originator
Signal string: @riskfreemail.com

On Advanced tab:
Action: Kill
Detection method: Any string match

If that doesn't do it you can perhaps try [EMAIL PROTECTED] (including
the asterisk) as signal string and selecting Match any string as regular
expression.

I haven't tried it but it should work.

-- 
Best regards,

Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v2.10.03





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Re: A challenge/response to TBUDL identity

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Miguel,

@19-May-2004, 03:16 +0200 (19-May 02:16 UK time) MAU [MAU] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Roelof:

>> BTW Is there anybody who created a filter that catches these messages.
>> But only when they're about messages sent to this list. Care to share
>> your solution?

MAU> I have blocked all mail from RiskFreeMail at my server, it just rejects
MAU> the connection :))

Nice idea - I'm going there right now!

-- 
Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator
SB! v2.11 Beta/6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1
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Re: The probes have worked.

[Mary Bull]

Hello Leif!

On Tuesday, May 18, 2004, 7:54 PM, you wrote:

LG> We have discovered the true address for the user who subscribed with
LG> an improperly configured C/R system.

Hooray for our persistent, smart moderators!

LG> Right now the moderators are bidding, arguing, punching and slapping
LG> to see who will get to delete that subscriber with extreme prejudice.

:)

LG> I only had one dissenting voice among you all who seemed to think our
LG> attempts at making this list better was an inconvenience.

I was 100 per cent *for* what you were doing. I hope my small joke
about finding my first two probes inedible and putting them in the
trash wasn't taken the wrong way!!

LG> Thanks to all the rest of you who put up with the probes.

It was no burden! More like participating in the solving of a mystery
story, albeit passively.

This C/R behavior was something that absolutely had to be stopped,
IMHO.

-- 
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Mary

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Re: A challenge/response to TBUDL identity

[MAU]

Hello Roelof,

> BTW Is there anybody who created a filter that catches these messages.
> But only when they're about messages sent to this list. Care to share
> your solution?

I have blocked all mail from RiskFreeMail at my server, it just rejects
the connection :))

-- 
Best regards,

Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v2.10.03





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Re: Backup script

[MAU]

Hello Allie,

> TB! isn't the only thing I backup.

See my reply to your 


-- 
Best regards,

Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
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Re: Backup script

[MAU]

Hello Allie,

> It doesn't take a long time to copy that batch file to a text file,
> alter the paths and use it.
> 
> It does take time also to learn how to use Second Copy.


Yes, but I don't just backup TB. I backup all my important data:
databases, documents, web pages, etc., etc. And what I actually do is
mirroring on a different computer. I mirror my desktop in my server and
my server in my desktop, and I can also mirror to and from my laptop
when I have to travel.

So, I have a total of 15 Profiles some of which run automatically
several times a day (perhaps with different schedules) and some manually
or only at night. Why do I do this? Because computers break sometimes. If
one morning I come to my desktop and it won't run, I can get on my
server and start TB and it will just work with the last mirrored message
base. Same if the server fails, I can just start my Mercury/32 MTA in my
desktop and change a setting in my router and server is back on the air.
Etc, etc, etc. Do you want me to do all of that with BAT scripts? No
thanks :)

-- 
Best regards,

Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
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The probes have worked.

[Leif Gregory]

Hello users,

We have discovered the true address for the user who subscribed with
an improperly configured C/R system.

Right now the moderators are bidding, arguing, punching and slapping
to see who will get to delete that subscriber with extreme prejudice.

I only had one dissenting voice among you all who seemed to think our
attempts at making this list better was an inconvenience.

Thanks to all the rest of you who put up with the probes.


Cheers,
Leif Gregory 

-- 
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PCWize Editor  /  ICQ 216395  /  PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F
Web Site 
TB FAQ   

Using The Bat! 2.05 Beta/16 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 
on a P4 1.6Ghz OC'd to 2.32Ghz with 512MB.

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A 'language' is a dialect with an army.




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Re: Registration question

[Allie Martin]

Nick Ohare, [NO] wrote:

NO> It's been years since I went through the registration process and
NO> obviously forgot one of the steps. The email he received clearly
NO> shows the Bat! key and the Bat! key checksum but he's confused as
NO> what the Key password is. He was asked to define a password when
NO> paying for registration, but entering that password didn't have
NO> the desired effect. Is there another password that he should have
NO> received?

It sounds like he's running a v1.xx flavour of TB!. The registration
of those versions do involve the use of a passphrase that is given in
and around the online purchase. If he can't remember the passphrase,
he'll need to contact Ritlabs sales department where for a small fee,
they'll reprocess his registration, providing a new passphrase.

-- 
-=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user)

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Re: Registration question

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Nick,

@18-May-2004, 20:30 -0400 (19-May 01:30 UK time) Nick OHare [NO] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

NO> The only other thing I can think may be complicating this is that I
NO> downloaded and set up the Bat! v. 1.62 on his machine and he bought a
NO> license for v.2

It is the only thing. v1 and v2 keys are *not* interchangeable. You
may not use a v1 key for v2 or vice versa. You or your friend will
have to grab a v2 to go with that v2 key. Oh yes, and v2 keys no
longer use passwords.

-- 
Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator
SB! v2.11 Beta/6 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1
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Registration question

[Nick OHare]

Hi All,

After many years of pitching the Bat! I finally convinced a friend to
switch over to the Bat! (that makes a total of 5 happy converts!).
However he called me with a problem last night regarding registering
his copy of the Bat! that I couldn't help him with.

It's been years since I went through the registration process and
obviously forgot one of the steps.  The email he received clearly
shows the Bat! key and the Bat! key checksum but he's confused as
what the Key password is.  He was asked to define a password when
paying for registration, but entering that password didn't have the
desired effect.  Is there another password that he should have
received?

The only other thing I can think may be complicating this is that I
downloaded and set up the Bat! v. 1.62 on his machine and he bought a
license for v.2

As always, thank you for any suggestions and tips.

-- 
Best regards,
 Nick

p.s. Thanks to Mark W. for his help in explaining how to set up the
Bat! on a peer to peer network.  This was the step that made my friend
realize that the Bat! was the way to go.



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Re: Opening url with non-default browser

[Julian Beach (Lists)]

On Tuesday, May 18, 2004, 10:44:06 PM, Chris wrote:

> I'll have to agree with you. Now if The Bat! had a built-in browser...

...we could call it Outlook!

Julian

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Re: Opening url with non-default browser

[Chris]

Coyle306 @ 2004-May-18 3:26:35 PM
"Opening url with non-default browser" 

>>> It would be nice if The Bat let you select a browser.
>> Please no, that's an OS feature...
> Yeah, right. That's why I've got a dozen programs that let me select
> outside editors, file viewers, e-mail programs, sound files, blah,
> blah, blah.
Those are done by file extension. We're talking about a protocol.

However, if you give me a couple days (until probably Saturday) I can
polish my browser selector program and send it to anyone who wants it.

-- 
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Re: Opening url with non-default browser

[Chris]

Martin Webster @ 2004-May-18 2:48:36 PM
"Opening url with non-default browser" 

>> It would be nice if The Bat let you select a browser.
> Please no, that's an OS feature...
I'll have to agree with you. Now if The Bat! had a built-in browser...

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[Fwd: Re: [Re: Managing multiple identities]]

[Gabriel Menini]

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Re: Managing multiple identities]
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 12:19:41 -0400
From: Dan Grunberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Gabriel Menini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hi Gabriel,
Mon, 17 May 2004 18:53:43 -0300 (5:53 PM  here) you wrote:
|SNIP|
Now I successfully regenerated my environment using a 'simple'
(restricted permissions account) but cannot find the way to create
and admninistrative account or even another simple account for my
brother.
GM>> I'm using: The Bat! v2.10.03, BayesIt! 0.5.4, MyMacros 1.10
GM>> Windows 2000 v5.0 - Build 2195 - Service Pack 4
You have to start from the screen whose title is "TheBat!" (See the
attached .jpg file.
I can't find the "Options | Network and Administration" set of
options, even now that I upgraded:
  I'm using The Bat! Version 2.10.01
I'm using Version 2.10.03, and it works for me (see the attached .jpg
file). I know it's a pain, but perhaps you should upgrade again.

Using: The Bat! v2.10.03, BayesIt! 0.5.4, MyMacros 1.10
   Windows 2000 v5.0 - Build 2195 - Service Pack 4
Let me know how things work out.
  --  Dan
--
Daniel A. Grunberg   Kensington, Maryland, USA
homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/
--
Gabriel Menini
Soporte IT
Proyecto Sistema Acuífero Guaraní
http://www.sg-guarani.org/

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Opening url with non-default browser

[Coyle306]

AJ>> I am pretty sure when I changed my default browser (from IE to Firefox)
AJ>> my wife complained the following day that I had "changed something
AJ>> again".  Indeed she was getting Firefox launched.

C> That was the point of my original message.  I don't want to change the
C> default  browser  or  e-mail  client  on  my  system.  I don't want to
C> create a different account or identity or whatever in XP.

MW> You mean you let other people on your desktop! You let the kids (or the
MW> wife) have administrator rights? ! Yuck! :-)

Sure,  I  hide  all  the  illegal  stuff.  I  let 'em drive my car. My
computer,  too, is just a dumb machine that's supposed to make my life
easier.

C> It would be nice if The Bat let you select a browser.

MW> Please no, that's an OS feature...

Yeah, right.   That's  why  I've  got  a  dozen  programs that let me select
outside  editors,  file  viewers,  e-mail programs, sound files, blah,
blah, blah.

Hey Bat authors, how about letting us choose a browser?

-- 



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tbot [was Re: Tracking down a problem.]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Martin!

On Tuesday, May 18, 2004, 1:50 PM, you wrote:

MW PS. Anyone picking up TBOT messages? I haven't seen a dickie since
MW Friday. I think I may have a few e-mail problems of my own.

MB>>> Yes, I answered yours on May 15. But I've only had one TBOT message to
MB>>> show since then. From Ben Allen to Martin Webster.

BA>>oops didnt mean to kill yahoo

MW> Still nothing and there's no point posting to TBOT... what can I do?

Woe! I am devastated. Try writing to Justin? From my "welcome to tbot"
letter the address is: tbot Moderator 
I replaced the "at" symbol with the word "at," hoping to conform to
Netiquette rules.

-- 
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Mary

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Re: Tracking down a problem.

[Martin Webster]

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Hello Marck,

On 18 May 2004, 17:12 Marck D Pearlstone [MDP] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

TF>> Smart. It also means that whoever subscribed with RsikFreeMail
TF>> doesn't see any of the TBUDL traffic about him, right?

MDP> Presactly!

It's been quite a while since I subscribed and I can't remember if a
confirmation message requiring a response is sent when subscribing to
TBUDL. Could this be a way to stop new registrations from RFM? Also, a
friendly note on the subscriptions page? Moreover, isn't there something
you can do with Mailman? Just thinking out loud...


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Re: Tracking down a problem.

[Martin Webster]

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Hash: SHA1

Hello Ben,

On 18 May 2004, 19:04 Ben Allen [BA] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

MW>>> PS. Anyone picking up TBOT messages? I haven't seen a dickie since
MW>>> Friday. I think I may have a few e-mail problems of my own.

MB>> Yes, I answered yours on May 15. But I've only had one TBOT message to
MB>> show since then. From Ben Allen to Martin Webster.

BA>oops didnt mean to kill yahoo

Still nothing and there's no point posting to TBOT... what can I do?


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Re: Opening url with non-default browser

[Martin Webster]

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Hello Coyle306,

On 18 May 2004, 20:25 -0400 (18/05/200401:25 local time) Coyle306 [C] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


AJ>> I am pretty sure when I changed my default browser (from IE to Firefox)
AJ>> my wife complained the following day that I had "changed something
AJ>> again".  Indeed she was getting Firefox launched.

C> That was the point of my original message.  I don't want to change the
C> default  browser  or  e-mail  client  on  my  system.  I don't want to
C> create a different account or identity or whatever in XP.

You mean you let other people on your desktop! You let the kids (or the
wife) have administrator rights? ! Yuck! :-)

C> It would be nice if The Bat let you select a browser.

Please no, that's an OS feature...


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OT--gone to tbot [was Re: Tracking down a problem.]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Ben!

On Tuesday, May 18, 2004, 1:04 PM, you wrote:

BA>  oops didnt mean to kill yahoo

Yahoo seems to be a cat with 9 lives--got up and started running as
soon as I answered Martin Webster's P.S. here with info that your post
was the last I'd seen on tbot in nearly 2 days.

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Re: A challenge/response to TBUDL identity

[Martin Webster]

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Hello Marten,

On 18 May 2004, 11:40 Marten Gallagher [MG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

MG>>> It was from RiskFreeMail

>> Don't react to it.

MG> I agree - I only quoted it to the list because I thought - as it had a
MG> name - it would help the tracking down of 'offenders' subscribed to
MG> the list.

But the name in the challenge/response message is not that of the RFM
user... it's the name of the person you reply to when sending a message
to the list. Hopefully, the mods will have an idea of the culprits soon
following the work Leif started over the weekend. I wonder how they will
contact them? ;-)

Following Marck's suggestion I've started submitting these messages to
SpamCop using the the filters in the TB! library:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html#spamcop+submission.

Oh, another one's just come in... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(every time) with Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Ctrl-Alt-S...
sorted!

I wonder if these people are sitting in front of their PCs wondering why
there are no messages coming from TBUDL? I presume that each
challenge/response message I receive is for a different RFM user. Is it
possible that these are new users? If so, could some text be added to
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html ?


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Re[2]: Tracking down a problem.

[Ben Allen]

Howdy Mary,

Sunday, May 16, 2004, 11:30:34 PM, Mary wrotened:

MB> Hello Martin!

MB> On Sunday, May 16, 2004, 5:15 PM, you wrote:

BBT NO FAIR! Put that third one back right away or I'm gonna tell!

RO>>> Why? After all I got four.

MW>> You're just showing off! :-))

MB> I got two, but they were inedible, so I put them in the trash. :))

MW>> PS. Anyone picking up TBOT messages? I haven't seen a dickie since
MW>> Friday. I think I may have a few e-mail problems of my own.

MB> Yes, I answered yours on May 15. But I've only had one TBOT message to
MB> show since then. From Ben Allen to Martin Webster.


   oops didnt mean to kill yahoo



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Re: Tracking down a problem.

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Marck,

On Tue, 18 May 2004 17:12:28 +0100 GMT (18/05/2004, 23:12 +0700 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

TF>> Smart. It also means that whoever subscribed with RsikFreeMail
TF>> doesn't see any of the TBUDL traffic about him, right?

MDP> Presactly!

Now that's totally risk free!

Let me hypothesise that their filter looks whether the From address
and where them is actually sent from match. This would not be the case
with TBUDL postings, as they are sent from the list server and the
From address from the actual poster. So, Leif's message might have
been received by the culprit, but he didn't know what this was about
and just trashed it.

A strategy would be to send a message to each member which look like
they are postings, wait for an appropriate amount of time, and if no
challenge comes, continue with the next member. Would take very long
though...

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Cheers,
Thomas.

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Re: Tracking down a problem.

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Thomas,

@18-May-2004, 23:00 +0700 (18-May 17:00 UK time) Thomas Fernandez
[TF] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:

MDP>> It helps not a bit. These mails are useless, which is why Leif sent
MDP>> out a probe with a tracking subject. However, it appears that the
MDP>> C/R server outwitted the probe and suppressed it as spam without
MDP>> challenging it :-(.

TF> Smart. It also means that whoever subscribed with RsikFreeMail
TF> doesn't see any of the TBUDL traffic about him, right?

Presactly!

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Re: Where are the PGP files?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello graffito,

On Tue, 18 May 2004 13:25:34 +0200 GMT (18/05/2004, 18:25 +0700 GMT),
graffito studios wrote:

gs> Where does the PGP info reside, and how do I transfer it over?

In the directory ...\The Bat!\Mail I find the files pubring.pgp and
secring.pgp. You might want to copy these from the old installation
over to the new installation.

PS: Your website just crashed my browser (I clicked on English).

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Re: Tracking down a problem.

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Marck,

On Tue, 18 May 2004 16:52:20 +0100 GMT (18/05/2004, 22:52 +0700 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP> It helps not a bit. These mails are useless, which is why Leif sent
MDP> out a probe with a tracking subject. However, it appears that the
MDP> C/R server outwitted the probe and suppressed it as spam without
MDP> challenging it :-(.

Smart. It also means that whoever subscribed with RsikFreeMail doesn't
see any of the TBUDL traffic about him, right?

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

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Re: Tracking down a problem.

[Sean H.]

Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
It helps not a bit. These mails are useless, which is why Leif sent
out a probe with a tracking subject. However, it appears that the
C/R server outwitted the probe and suppressed it as spam without
challenging it :-(.
FYI, I never received the probe e-mail. Maybe the C/R person didn't 
either...

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Re: Opening url with non-default browser

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Coyle306,

On Mon, 17 May 2004 20:25:29 -0400 GMT (18/05/2004, 07:25 +0700 GMT),
Coyle306 wrote:

C> It would be nice if The Bat let you select a browser.

A nice idea. I'd second a wish.

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Re: Tracking down a problem.

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Thomas,

@18-May-2004, 22:46 +0700 (18-May 16:46 UK time) Thomas Fernandez
[TF] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Leif:

TF> ... if you think it helps you if I forward the whole mail to you
TF> by PM, just say the word.

It helps not a bit. These mails are useless, which is why Leif sent
out a probe with a tracking subject. However, it appears that the
C/R server outwitted the probe and suppressed it as spam without
challenging it :-(.

-- 
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Re: Tracking down a problem.

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Leif,

On Mon, 17 May 2004 13:52:08 -0600 GMT (18/05/2004, 02:52 +0700 GMT),
Leif Gregory wrote:

Thomas>> In the meantime I have receive it twice for each email address
Thomas>> I am subscribed with.

LG> Good! :-) I really wasn't looking forward to spelunking a bunch of
LG> logs to see where it went wrong! 

I just got a mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject
"E-mail verification" (no quotes). I haven't downloaded it, just got
an info from my server-side spam filter about the sender and subject.
Maybe that helps you track down whoever you are looking for.

I am not planning on downloading that mail, as spams in the spamfolder
will be automatically deleted if I don't do anything. I only get a
daily summary of messages there. However, if you think it helps you
if I forward the whole mail to you by PM, just say the word.

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Re: A challenge/response to TBUDL identity

[Mary Bull]

Hello Marten!

On Tuesday, May 18, 2004, 3:45 AM, you wrote:

MG> Just received this:

MG> 
MG> It was from RiskFreeMail

My first from RiskFreeMail arrived this morning. Its subject line was
"E-mail verification." The body said it had put my post to tbudl on
the subject "Re: Tracking down a problem" on hold. Evidently
RiskFreeMail has a rotating set of messages.

My first inclination was to delete it on the server unread, when I saw
it in the Dispatcher. But since it was my very first encounter with
the horrid problem, I decided to have a look.

In the future I'll just uncheck receive and check delete in Mail
Dispatcher when I see this RFM in the "From:" field--unless they get
too numerous, in which case I'll make an Address Book template filter.
Though I hate to give these people a place in my AB!

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Re: A challenge/response to TBUDL identity

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Mica,

On Tue, 18 May 2004 13:10:21 +0200GMT (18-5-04, 13:10 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

>> BTW Is there anybody who created a filter that catches these messages.
>> But only when they're about messages sent to this list. Care to share
>> your solution?

MM> I just received a message with another member's name.

Well, I've got several of them (all with different names).

MM> To create an "ordinary" filter is easy,

I know, but I hoped to save myself the effort and tried to convince
somebody to paste a filter in a message to the list. Just lazy I
guess.

MM> but I'd like if I could create one which deletes from server. For
MM> the ordinary one I use "return path" line in 'kludges' and
MM> '"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" with a subject' part (the later could
MM> be even shorter) in 'text'.

I guess I'd go for the return path and only the list address, but
that's a matter of taste.

MM> Since it is combination of 'kludge' and 'body' text, I cannot see the
MM> way how to implement that in selective download filter. Is it possible
MM> at all?

No. It wouldn't do you any good either. In order to scan the body for
a string, the body has to be downloaded. It isn't really worth your
effort to download the body in order to decide whether you want to
download it. ;-)
Apart from that, since my mail server is local on my LAN, I couldn't
care less whether TB downloads the message or not. So I'm not what
you'd a call an expert on the dispatcher.

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof

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Where are the PGP files?

[graffito studios]

Hi all,
I just joined this forum, and and am fairly new to the Bat, and I
think it's a really great program. I'm using version 2.10.03.

I installed it on my computer, and then I bought a new box - networked
the two together. I have the Bat installed on both, but I really just
want to use it on the new one. I successfully transferred my mailboxes
over, but I find that the PGP info that I had on the old one isn't on
the new one. I had my own keys set up, and some from friends. I don't
really want to generate new keys, and have to (re)collect the ones from my
friends.

Where does the PGP info reside, and how do I transfer it over?

Thanks
  

-- 
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Re: A challenge/response to TBUDL identity

[Mica Mijatovic]

***^\ 
 ~~( __ _"o   Was Tue, 18 May 2004, at 11:58:09 +0200, 
@  @  when Roelof Otten wrote:

> BTW Is there anybody who created a filter that catches these messages.
> But only when they're about messages sent to this list. Care to share
> your solution?

I just received a message with another member's name. To create an
"ordinary" filter is easy, but I'd like if I could create one which
deletes from server. For the ordinary one I use "return path" line in
'kludges' and '"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" with a subject' part (the
later could be even shorter) in 'text'.

Since it is combination of 'kludge' and 'body' text, I cannot see the
way how to implement that in selective download filter. Is it possible
at all?

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Re[2]: A challenge/response to TBUDL identity

[Marten Gallagher]

> Hallo Marten,

> On Tue, 18 May 2004 09:45:18 +0100GMT (18-5-04, 10:45 +0200, where I
> live), you wrote:

MG>> Just received this:

> 

MG>> It was from RiskFreeMail

> Don't react to it.

I agree - I only quoted it to the list because I thought - as it had a
name - it would help the tracking down of 'offenders' subscribed to
the list.

-- 
Marten Gallagher
Annery Kiln Web Design
www.annerykiln.co.uk
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Re: A challenge/response to TBUDL identity

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Marten,

On Tue, 18 May 2004 09:45:18 +0100GMT (18-5-04, 10:45 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

MG> Just received this:



MG> It was from RiskFreeMail

Don't react to it. Anybody who's so clueless that (s)he subscribes to
a mailing list with an address hidden behind a challenge/response system
wouldn't appreciate your input anyway.

BTW Is there anybody who created a filter that catches these messages.
But only when they're about messages sent to this list. Care to share
your solution?

-- 
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A challenge/response to TBUDL identity

[Marten Gallagher]

Just received this:



You recently sent a message to
Mary Bull "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" with a subject
"Re[2]: Volatile identity template".



It was from RiskFreeMail

-- 
Marten Gallagher
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www.annerykiln.co.uk
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Re: Opening url with non-default browser

[Britt Henrikson]

>It would be nice if The Bat let you select a browser.
 
Exactly my opinion. Pegasus has this function, but I haven't found it in any other 
e-mail client I've tried.
 
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