Help with Scheduler

[Ciprian Trofin]

What is the meaning of "start" and "duration" options in "Scheduled tasks"?
Do they apply when the only action is creating / sending messages ?

I can imagine what "start" does, but what about duration ?

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Re: Undeleting messages

[Steve Thomas]

Hello AceMan,

Thursday, August 26, 2004, 8:42:45 PM, you wrote:



>> By the way, I've already tried to delete the .tbi file, with no
>> effect.  It builds a new .tbi file and all the messages are still
>> marked for deletion.


A> While viewing a "deleted" message, you can click the view menu
A> and select Message List to view the full list of deleted mails. You
A> can then select any/all mails and perform normal right-click
A> options (e.g. copy to folder, move to folder etc.).

A> HTH

Thank-you!  That did it.

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Re: Undeleting messages

[AceMan]

> By the way, I've already tried to delete the .tbi file, with no
> effect.  It builds a new .tbi file and all the messages are still
> marked for deletion.


While viewing a "deleted" message, you can click the view menu and select Message List 
to view the full list of deleted mails. You can then select any/all mails and perform 
normal right-click options (e.g. copy to folder, move to folder etc.).

HTH

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Re: Multiple Displays

[Robin Anson]

On Fri 27 August 2004, 8:03:16 +1000, Maggie wrote:
> No. It doesn't! The M in Move is even underlined. I chose the others:
> Size - S, Minimize - N, Maximize - X and they operated as advertised.
> The Move - M did not work.

Move will be greyed out if the application is maximized.

> There is no Move there. Only Minimize and Close (Restore is greyed
> out)

It won't be there if the application is maximized.

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Re: Undeleting messages

[Steve Thomas]

Hello Steve,

Thursday, August 26, 2004, 12:03:42 PM, you wrote:

ST> Is there any way to undelete messages?


By the way, I've already tried to delete the .tbi file, with no
effect.  It builds a new .tbi file and all the messages are still
marked for deletion.

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may stamp your character through life. It is therefore highly important that you 
should endeavor not only to be learned but virtuous." - George Washington

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Re: Undeleting messages

[Steve Thomas]

Hello Steve,

Thursday, August 26, 2004, 12:03:42 PM, you wrote:

Steve-

As long as you can browse the deleted messages, you can copy them to
another folder. Does that do what you want?

Mark,

Well, I guess that doing it one at a time is one way.  I had over
3,000 messages in there.  I was hoping for a better, global way to do
it.  But, thanks.

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Re: [St's TB Annoyances] thebat.IPC

[St - Musaic.Net]

  Alexander S. Kunz:
> AFAIK you're running TB permanently (and at very short poll intervalls).

  True - although 30 seconds isn't what I would consider to be _very_ short
  intervals. Or?

  Alexander S. Kunz:
> An environment that, as you said some weeks ago, requires you to restart TB
> now and then. You could do that with a scheduled /EXIT when you're in doubt
> if the .IPC file is still interpreted, couldn't you?

  Unfortunately, no! /EXIT relies on thebat.IPC - thus if TB ignore reading
  thebat.IPC then /EXIT won't work either! If TB had a last resort - like if a
  file "force.exit.thebat.doh" exist in the program directory then TB would
  exit.

  My applications do have protections against a dead loop as such as the system
  will reboot and restart from where TB ignored thebat.IPC. But I feel it is
  unacceptable having to reboot every 7-10 minutes. I am trying to tune the shit,
  and already I have produced protections of "DOS'ing" TB.

  After letting FileMon monitor for a while, it is revealed that TB check
  thebat.IPC every 10th seconds. However, each time one is running a second TB
  (with or without IPC commands) the primary TB will "sync" up to the secondary
  TB. If, for example, TB was checking thebat.IPC at times

  16:03:05
  16:03:15
  16:03:25
  16:03:35

  and you start a second TB at 16:03:38, that second TB would have the primary
  TB to check thebat.IPC right away - and subsequent checkings of thebat.IPC
  would then time to for example

  16:03:49
  16:03:59
  16:04:09
  16:04:19

  and so on.
  
  When it comes to what one can put into the thebat.IPC TB is pretty forgiving,
  but apparently commands that isn't supported won't be executed. Put a fake
  command (ie. /DOH) into thebat.IPC and TB will read and process the file - but
  nothing will happen as a result of that /DOH command. I tried three methods
  to have TB process IPC-commends. After some testing, I fortunately found a
  way of doing it and that I have found to be stable with my software - even at
  a pretty short poll intervals.

  The most stable method of executing IPC-commands is to write the commands into
  a batch file. A batch file is described in the Help-file:

 "If you need to execute a lot of commands many times, the /BATCH command is a
  life saver. This command allows the execution of multiple commands defined in
  a text file; each command being placed in one line."

  I find that doing so makes running IPC-commands stable. I have tested for some
  days now, and it is stable - TB hasn't failed once!
  
  Just for the record, the following two methods are totally unstable and I can
  not recommend them:

  1) Sending each command directly from th command line - like
 16:05:00 - "C:\Program Files\The Bat!\TheBat.EXE /MAILU="[snip]
 16:05:03 - "C:\Program Files\The Bat!\TheBat.EXE /SEND*"
 etc. (commands "/MAILU" and "/SEND" are for the example only.

 TB will pretty soon (in minutes) stop checking thebat.IPC - useless! It do
 seems TB is choked, but the above may even happen even though the intervals
 are longer than 30 seconds - maybe even after minutes between each action!
 So there is some condition that makes TB stop checking thebat.IPC.

  2) Update/composing thebat.IPC directly at a time TB is not checking it - like
 16:05:00 - TB is polling thebat.IPC
 16:05:05 - writing IPC-commands to thebat.IPC
 16:05:10 - TB is polling thebat.IPC

 Again, TB will pretty soon (in minutes) stop checking thebat.IPC. One should
 assume it would be safe to write to the thebat.IPC as TB is not occupying it.
 Yet, this method is proven just as unstable as with the first method - and
 again it's useless!

  I have no idea why the latter two methods eventually fail. Stick to writing to
  a secondary batch file (thebat.TXT etc.) point to it from the command line.

  As for /EXIT that fails when TB fails to check thebat.IPC:

  Alexander S. Kunz:
> ** You. Do. Not. Need. The. IPC. File. **

  You do! /EXIT won't work when TB stops checking thebat.IPC - because (as you
  later found out): "TB itself writes the .IPC file when you access it via the
  commandline?!?". Yes, it does - I have always said that (or at least implied
  it strongly)! :) It was crucial in the discussion and is a major reason for
  topic of "[St's TB Annoyances] thebat.IPC".

  BTW - thru the batch file method I hav been able to produce a stable fix for
  the problem I outlined in "[St's TB Annoyances] Periodical Checking (of mail)".

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Re: Undeleting messages

[Mark Wieder]

Steve-

As long as you can browse the deleted messages, you can copy them to
another folder. Does that do what you want?

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Re[4]: Multiple Displays

[Maggie]

Hi James,

On Thursday, August 26, 2004 at 4:31:16 PM you wrote:

M>> Yes, it's on the task bar. I pressed Alt + Space then m and then TB!
M>> fetched mail.

JO> Did you release Alt and Space before hitting m?

No.

JO> Are you using an English system? The key you push after Alt+Space
JO> will vary (I assume) based on your locale.

A Japanese computer :)  Seriously, most everything's set to American
English.

JO> Make sure TheBat is the active application. Pressing Alt+Space
JO> will bring up an a context menu (pop-up menu) that will also be
JO> off-screen.

Yes, it does.

JO> Then pressing the M will select "Move" on the pop-up menu.

No. It doesn't! The M in Move is even underlined. I chose the others:
Size - S, Minimize - N, Maximize - X and they operated as advertised.
The Move - M did not work.

JO> Hit an arrow key (I prefer the left) which will start moving the
JO> window, but then you can simply move your mouse and use the mouse to
JO> relocate the dialog. I find the mouse works much faster since the
JO> mouse cursor is locked to the viewable area of your desktop it'll snap
JO> the window into view really quickly. Just remember you must hit an
JO> arrow key before the mouse will move the window, otherwise the mouse
JO> will only move the cursor.

None of this will work without the Move working I suspect!

JO> Another way of doing it is to simply right-click on the Task bar (not
JO> system tray) entry (if you haven't turned it off) and selecting "Move"
JO> from there.

There is no Move there. Only Minimize and Close (Restore is greyed
out)

Thanks for trying. It's much appreciated!

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Undeleting messages

[Steve Thomas]

Hello tbudl,

  Is there any way to undelete messages?  I accidentally emptied my
  "Sent" folder :-( .  The messages are still there as I can browse
  the deleted messages.  I've copied the file to another filename just
  in case, but I'd really like to get them back.

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Re: TB and XP new SP2...

[Chris]

Ron Secord @ 2004-Aug-26 1:28:15 PM
"TB and XP new SP2..." 

> Unfortunately, I can't install the SP2 update. I've followed all
> instructions and keep getting an "Error Code: 8007F0CC" Update
> Failed message. Of course, I can find absolutely nothing on the MS
> site about what Error Code: 8007F0CC is.
Take a look at your C:\WINDOWS\WindowsUpdate.log and
C:\WINDOWS\setupapi.log files and see if there is more information.
Often these files contain the error from the individual component that
failed.

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Re[3]: Multiple Displays

[James Olsen]

Hello Maggie,

M> Yes, it's on the task bar. I pressed Alt + Space then m and then TB!
M> fetched mail.

Did you release Alt and Space before hitting m? Are you using an
English system? The key you push after Alt+Space will vary (I assume)
based on your locale.

Make sure TheBat is the active application. Pressing Alt+Space
will bring up an a context menu (pop-up menu) that will also be
off-screen. Then pressing the M will select "Move" on the pop-up menu.

Hit an arrow key (I prefer the left) which will start moving the
window, but then you can simply move your mouse and use the mouse to
relocate the dialog. I find the mouse works much faster since the
mouse cursor is locked to the viewable area of your desktop it'll snap
the window into view really quickly. Just remember you must hit an
arrow key before the mouse will move the window, otherwise the mouse
will only move the cursor.

Another way of doing it is to simply right-click on the Task bar (not
system tray) entry (if you haven't turned it off) and selecting "Move"
from there. Once you've selected move you can use the arrows and then
the mouse to move the window someplace viewable.

I hope that helps..

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Re[3]: Changing column settings

[Maggie]

Hi nurbles,

On Thursday, August 26, 2004 at 12:01:12 PM you wrote:

n> I keep The Bat! on screen #2 (of 3 displays) which are arranged as
n> [2][1][3].

I'd love to hook up a third monitor. How is that done? I only have one
external screen outlet on my computer, are there adapters for it?

Perhaps we're off topic here. Can you answer by private mail or go to
TBOT?

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Re[3]: HELP -- all incoming messages are being junked!!

[MikeD (3)]

Hello Terry,

Thursday, August 26, 2004, 11:19:40 AM, you wrote:

TGM> Hello Pete,

TGM> Thursday, August 26, 2004, 8:56:54 AM, you wrote:

>> That did the trick.

>> Is there another SPAM plugin available?

TGM> Did you happen to upgrade TB! or BayesIt! lately?

TGM> I had this problem when I upgraded TB! and had to "retrain" BayesIt!

Not just retrain it. You will want to remove all traces of the old
Beyesit (directories, files, etc.) before you install the new plug-in
and try to train it. At least that is what I had to do before I could
get it to start recognizing spam.

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Re: BayeIT Macros

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Jan Rifkinson,

26-Aug-2004 19:12, you wrote:

ASK>> Those 376 junk mails are a "total", correct?

> yes. However, at this point I have 651.

Nearly 300 junk mails in 1 day? Well... even without correct statistics
from BayesIt the other conclusion for me would be dropping that mail
account. :-}

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Re: TB and XP new SP2...

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello Matt,
Thursday, August 26, 2004, 1:40:49 AM, you wrote (possibly edited):

> I upgraded to SP2 on this machine (XP Pro) this morning and have been
> using TB all day with no issues yet...

Same here, I updated it last night.

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Re[2]: TB and XP new SP2...

[Ron Secord]

Chris [C] wrote:

> Although on the surface it may seem that SP2 only updates Internet
> Explorer, it actually fixes about three hundred problems. For a
> complete list, please see http://snipurl.com/8hfn

Unfortunately, I can't install the SP2 update. I've followed all
instructions and keep getting an "Error Code: 8007F0CC" Update Failed
message. Of course, I can find absolutely nothing on the MS site about
what Error Code: 8007F0CC is.

I've never had a problem with the Windows Update until now. I've sent
for the CD to see if that will workyeah right!!!

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Re: What defines a mailto?

[Allie Martin]

Rick Friedman wrote:

> This is completely OT but... what happened to your roguemoticon? It's
> not showing up. There's no X-Rogue header and your "handle" doesn't seem
> to be in the message anywhere.

I'm writing from work where I can't use TB! since I'm behind a proxy. Even
using an HTTP-tunnel is a problem. I'm using a webmail server to access my
IMAP server at home.

As a result, I can't add custom headers or PGP/MIME sign messages.

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Re: What defines a mailto?

[Rick Friedman]

Hi Allie,

This is completely OT but... what happened to your roguemoticon? It's
not showing up. There's no X-Rogue header and your "handle" doesn't seem
to be in the message anywhere.

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Re: BayeIT Macros

[Jan Rifkinson]

On Thursday, August 26, 2004 it appears that Alexander S. Kunz
wrote the following in regards to "BayeIT Macros":

>> So, tonight I have 376 msgs in my junk folder. I marked none of them as
>> junk, i.e. they were all junked automatically -- presumably by BayesIT.
>> So here are my stats

ASK> Those 376 junk mails are a "total", correct?

Hi Alexander.

  yes. However, at this point I have 651.

ASK> I mean...

>> Spam Stats, last 24 hours (BayesIt! 0.5.11)

ASK> ... :-)

>> Anyone have any ideas beyond the notion that the macros don't work. Or
>> put it another way, has anyone found that the macros do work & represent
>> some real numbers?

ASK> Try replacing the "(24)" hours in the macro call with a number large enough
ASK> to give a "totals" value maybe?

  Changed to 48 hrs.

  Stats:

Spam Stats, last 48 hours (BayesIt! 0.5.11)
Total Spam Emails: 69
Total Clean Emails: 286
BayesIT guessed right 99.478261% of the time
My email is 19.43662% spam

  Then for kicks I selected all msgs in junk file <651> and marked
  them as junk manually. BayesIT went thru training. Stats below. So
  I'll have to go with my conclusion until someone comes up with a
  definitive answer about BayesIT stats.

Spam Stats, last 48 hours (BayesIt! 0.5.11)
Total Spam Emails: 70
Total Clean Emails: 288
BayesIT guessed right 99.471429% of the time
My email is 19.553073% spam

  Thanks,

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Re[5]: HELP -- all incoming messages are being junked!!

[Pete Holsberg]

Thursday, August 26, 2004, 12:47:42 PM, you wrote:

> Hello Pete,

> Thursday, August 26, 2004, 9:36:24 AM, you wrote:

>> Yes! Both!!! How does one retrain BayesIt!?

> Highlight the e-mail that you want to use to train with and under
> the menu Specials chose Mark as Junk or Mark as Not Junk.

> You need to use both junk and non-junk mail to train.

Aha! I did not use any non-junk mail. I think it's fixed now.

Many thanks.

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Re: BayeIT Macros

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Jan Rifkinson,

26-Aug-2004 01:18, you wrote:

ASK>> Apparently, something is pretty wrong with the Bayesit stats. :-}

> So, tonight I have 376 msgs in my junk folder. I marked none of them as
> junk, i.e. they were all junked automatically -- presumably by BayesIT.
> So here are my stats

Those 376 junk mails are a "total", correct?

I mean...

> Spam Stats, last 24 hours (BayesIt! 0.5.11)

... :-)

> Anyone have any ideas beyond the notion that the macros don't work. Or
> put it another way, has anyone found that the macros do work & represent
> some real numbers?

Try replacing the "(24)" hours in the macro call with a number large enough
to give a "totals" value maybe?

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Re[4]: HELP -- all incoming messages are being junked!!

[Terry G. Munson]

Hello Pete,

Thursday, August 26, 2004, 9:36:24 AM, you wrote:

> Yes! Both!!! How does one retrain BayesIt!?

Highlight the e-mail that you want to use to train with and under
the menu Specials chose Mark as Junk or Mark as Not Junk.

You need to use both junk and non-junk mail to train.

Good luck

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Re[3]: HELP -- all incoming messages are being junked!!

[Pete Holsberg]

Thursday, August 26, 2004, 12:19:40 PM, you wrote:

> Hello Pete,

> Thursday, August 26, 2004, 8:56:54 AM, you wrote:

>> That did the trick.

>> Is there another SPAM plugin available?

> Did you happen to upgrade TB! or BayesIt! lately?

> I had this problem when I upgraded TB! and had to "retrain" BayesIt!

Yes! Both!!! How does one retrain BayesIt!?

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Re: What defines a mailto?

[Allie Martin]

Maurice Snellen wrote:

> True. My guess is that there is a limit to the length before the @
> sign or the total length for TB! to consider it an e-mail address.

Upon experimenting, it isn't the length, but instead the inclusion of
special characters. Once you insert a character like !, `, %, $, #, ^, +, 
or =, TB! will no longer recognize it as a mailto URL without explicitly
making it so by adding 'mailto:'.

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Re[2]: HELP -- all incoming messages are being junked!!

[Terry G. Munson]

Hello Pete,

Thursday, August 26, 2004, 8:56:54 AM, you wrote:

> That did the trick.

> Is there another SPAM plugin available?

Did you happen to upgrade TB! or BayesIt! lately?

I had this problem when I upgraded TB! and had to "retrain" BayesIt!

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Re[2]: Multiple Displays

[Maggie]

Hi David,

MM>> Sometimes when I unplug and go portable I forget to reposition that
>> program to the primary monitor. When that happens, trying to access it
>> becomes impossible. It's loaded, but invisible - residing on the phantom
>> number two monitor.

DE> If it is on the task bar then you can do Alt + Space then M (to move it) You
DE> can then move it with the cursor keys back on to the mail screen.

Yes, it's on the task bar. I pressed Alt + Space then m and then TB!
fetched mail. I also tried holding Alt + Space + Shift + M while using
the left arrow, and nothing happened. Not working. I'm on a laptop, so
maybe it's the differences in keyboards? I'd love to be able to get
your idea to work!

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Re: HELP -- all incoming messages are being junked!!

[Pete Holsberg]

Thursday, August 26, 2004, 11:35:05 AM, you wrote:

> Suddenly, all incoming messages for all my accounts are
> being marked as read and dumped into the junk file!!

> And there are no filters that do that.

> I will disable BayesIt! and see if that helps.

That did the trick.

Is there another SPAM plugin available?

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Re[2]: Changing column settings

[nurbles]

Roelof,

Thursday, August 26, 2004, 10:48:41 AM, you wrote:

RO> Can't confirm that here. (I'm using the latest beta.) Can drag them to
RO> other places and to other sizes.

I figured out what is broken.  I keep The Bat! on screen #2 (of 3
displays) which are arranged as [2][1][3].  That makes the horizontal
screen coordinates NEGATIVE on the screen where TheBat! is living and
any attempt at sizing with negative numbers is being slammed to zero
by TheBat!.

If I run TheBat! on screen #1 (or screen #3), column sizing/moving
works correctly.  Both of those screens have POSITIVE horizontal
coordinates.

I posted a message about multiple monitors, too, and now I see that
this is related to that issue.

RO> Cannot find the menu for that either, but I found the register key:

Thanks!  The column has been revived!


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Re: What defines a mailto?

[Maurice Snellen]

On Thursday, August 26, 2004 at 20:19 (which was Thursday, August 26,
2004 at 10:19 where I am) Allister Jenks wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> ...without specifying "mailto:"; at the front, TB! realises it is an
> email address and highlights it as such.

True. My guess is that there is a limit to the length before the @
sign or the total length for TB! to consider it an e-mail address.

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HELP -- all incoming messages are being junked!!

[Pete Holsberg]

Suddenly, all incoming messages for all my accounts are
being marked as read and dumped into the junk file!!

And there are no filters that do that.

I will disable BayesIt! and see if that helps.

If it does. is there an alternative plugin for SPAM?

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Re: Changing column settings

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo nurbles,

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:26:37 -0400GMT (26-8-2004, 14:26 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

N> When I click on the dividing/sizing line between columns,
N> the column to the left of the line instantly goes to a
N> width of ZERO and stays that way until I use the Setup
N> Columns dialog to type in a bigger size.

Can't confirm that here. (I'm using the latest beta.) Can drag them to
other places and to other sizes.

N> In the folder list, there does not appear to be any Setup Folder
N> dialog, so my 'unread' column is now lost to me.

Cannot find the menu for that either, but I found the register key:
Close TB
Open Regedit
Look for:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!\Folder Header #2
Enter a value to your liking
Close Regedit
Open TB

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The Bat! 2.13 "Lucky" Beta/7
Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1
1 pop3 account, server on LAN

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Re: Multiple Displays

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo nurbles,

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:03:59 -0400GMT (26-8-2004, 15:03 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

N> Strangely, TheBat! remembers the correct screen coordinates
N> between boots, unfortunately, it always translates them to
N> monitor #1, so on every boot I must manually restore it, move
N> it to monitor #2, then maximize it again.

Confirmed.
Never noticed it before, since TB has always been running on my
primary monitor.

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Re[2]: Multiple Displays

[Maggie]

On Thursday, August 26, 2004 at 9:49:23 AM Nurbles and David wrote:

nurbles>> I'm using Windows 2000's built-in support for multiple monitors

DE> < ... >

nurbles>> It would be so nice if either was aware of multiple screens

DE> I second that.

DE> I have also 'lost' screens when going from 2 to 1 and also when moving
DE> monitors from left to right.

Yes. This has happened with me too. While I normally don't put The
Bat!'s window on the second monitor, I tried doing it and rebooting.
It's as y'all say, TB! always comes up on the main monitor. I have
another program which actually lives on the 2nd monitor, but that can
be a big problem, too! Sometimes when I unplug and go portable I
forget to reposition that program to the primary monitor. When that
happens, trying to access it becomes impossible. It's loaded, but
invisible - residing on the phantom number two monitor.

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  Maggie


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Re: Emptying Folders on exit and marking messages 'read'

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Ben,

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:27:01 +0100GMT (26-8-2004, 1:27 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

>>> Is there nothing this man doesnt know how to do?
MAU>> Yes, mayonnaise ;-)
BA> You probably all go dancing and say "Can we do the mayonnaise again?"

Not me, that's definitely a three leg dance and I've got only two.

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Re[2]: Checking Mail

[nurbles]

Allie,

Thursday, August 26, 2004, 9:48:21 AM, you wrote:

AM> To download and install this release, please check
AM> the tbudl-info page to see how to subscribe to and
AM> download from the TBBETA downloads page.

Thanks for the idea, will do.

FWIW, I found a possible work around, too.  I think that
unchecking the 'Check mailbox at startup' option in the
account settings might give the local mail server/SPAM
filter time to start before TheBat!'s first check.

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Re: Checking Mail

[Allie Martin]

Nurbles wrote:

> That is TheBat!'s 'checking mail' task that is hung.  I
> cannot exit TheBat!, because a task is active.  It refuses
> to abort the task, despite offering that as an option.  I
> can only use the Windows Task Manager to KILL the program
> entirely.  When I restart it after POPFile is running, it
> works just fine.

Upon reviewing the last betas and version 2.12.0x builds, I see here:

Version: 2.12.02, date: 21-Jul-2004

[-] 0003273 TB is trying to connect to non-existing server, task in CC
can be deleted, but TB can't be closed

Looks like your problem was fixed in that release.

To download and install this release, please check the tbudl-info page
to see how to subscribe to and download from the TBBETA downloads
page.

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Multiple Displays

[nurbles]

I'm using Windows 2000's built-in support for multiple
monitors (with 1 AGP and 2 PCI cards).  I use monitor
#1 for active work and I keep TheBat! maximized on
monitor #2.

Strangely, TheBat! remembers the correct screen coordinates
between boots, unfortunately, it always translates them to
monitor #1, so on every boot I must manually restore it, move
it to monitor #2, then maximize it again.

While working on programs of my own, I noticed that the
horizontal coords on monitor #2 are all negative because
it is positioned to the LEFT of monitor #1.  I suspect
that TheBat! is doing what I once did, and treating those
as errors and 'correcting' them to their positive
equivalents.

It would be so nice if either was aware of multiple screens
or simple used what it got...

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Re: Checking Mail

[Peter Fjelsten]

nurbles,

On 26-08-2004 14:36, you [n] wrote in
:
n> Unfortunately, most of the time, TheBat! starts checking for new mail
n> before POPFile is loaded (or ready?) and then hangs FOREVER.

n> That is TheBat!'s 'checking mail' task that is hung. I cannot exit
n> TheBat!, because a task is active. It refuses to abort the task,
n> despite offering that as an option. I can only use the Windows Task
n> Manager to KILL the program entirely. When I restart it after POPFile
n> is running, it works just fine.

I have the exact same issue with TB hanging once in a while - and much
worse that you cannot "Delete task" in the Connection Centre. If you hit
"Abort All", TB will stop checking mail and you need to restart to get
TB working again.

I have CCed this to the beta list as I am running the latest beta.

-- 
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 Peter Fjelsten
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Re: BayeIT Macros

[Andre Wichartz]

Hello Jan,

On 26 Aug 2004 at 19:18:06 -0400 GMT [01:18 CEST] you wrote:

JR>   Anyone have any ideas beyond the notion that the macros don't
JR>   work. Or put it another way, has anyone found that the macros do
JR>   work & represent some real numbers?

My junk folder shows 57 mails from the last 24 hours.

Spam Stats, last day (BayesIt! 0.5.10)
Total Spam: 67
Total Ham: 110
Error Spam: 0
Error Ham: 0
Accuracy: 100%
My email is 37.853107% spam

There is a difference of 10 mails but I get lots of dupes in my junk
folder because of the duplicate mails on the server bug and I don't know
how those count in the statistic.

The macros give me the same information as under preferences.

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 Andre

"Fliegen ist gar nicht so schwierig,
 wie man denkt.
 Man muß sich nur auf den Boden schmeißen
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Checking Mail

[nurbles]

I've been successfully using TheBat! with POPFile to tag
SPAM for about a year now.  I have both programs scheduled
to start automatically when my machine boots (and auto logs
in).  Unfortunately, most of the time, TheBat! starts
checking for new mail before POPFile is loaded (or ready?)
and then hangs FOREVER.

That is TheBat!'s 'checking mail' task that is hung.  I
cannot exit TheBat!, because a task is active.  It refuses
to abort the task, despite offering that as an option.  I
can only use the Windows Task Manager to KILL the program
entirely.  When I restart it after POPFile is running, it
works just fine.

The problem started with my upgrade to TheBat! 2.12.00
The earlier versions seemed to just time out the first mail
check if it ran before POPFile, then later tried again, as
it should be.  The current one may not be hung, but if not,
I cannot guess why it cannot be aborted or why the timeout
would be over two days (it rebooted once right after work
on Friday and was still hung Monday morning).

FWIW:

  TheBat! 2.12.00
  Windows 2000 SP4

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Changing column settings

[nurbles]

The the last couple versions of The Bat! (I'm at 2.12.00
right now) I've had a problem changing column widths and
positions in the message list pane (come to think of it,
I haven't tried the folder pane...oops!  Now I have no
visible 'unread' column and I cannot get it back!).

When I click on the dividing/sizing line between columns,
the column to the left of the line instantly goes to a
width of ZERO and stays that way until I use the Setup
Columns dialog to type in a bigger size.  In the folder
list, there does not appear to be any Setup Folder dialog,
so my 'unread' column is now lost to me.

The same thing happens if I inadvertently drag a column to
a new position -- it moves, but the size becomes zero.
And because it seems that a drag starts with a ONE PIXEL
mouse move, that is prone to happen even when I intend to
only click a new sort order.

FWIW:

  The Bat! 2.12.00
  Windows 2000 Service Pack 4

  Oh, and this used to work fine in older versions.

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Re: TB and XP new SP2...

[Daniel Rail]

Hello MAU,

Wednesday, August 25, 2004, 7:32:03 PM, you wrote:
>> I see in the footer of some mails that some of you use TB on XP with
>> new Service Pack 2. Have you seen some troubles with TB 2.12 or higher
>> under SP2 ?
>> 
>> Is this SP2 really necessary for people who don't use use microsoft
>> Outlook and Internet Explorer with all his holes of security ? Because
>> this upgrade seems to be very heavy !

> I don't use XP, but in a daily security newsletter I get they recommend
> delaying (or blocking) the installation of SP2 because some applications
> may cease to work.

It is expected that some applications will stop working on SP2.  The
reason is that SP2 is closing some doors for backwards compatibility
out-of-the-box.  Those sections of code for backwards compatibility
was a security risk.  But, if I'm not mistaken you can still run those
applications by using the application compatibility settings, and that
is supposed to make those applications run in their own little
environment without breaching the security of the system.  And another
but, some applications might not run at all.  Most of those
applications are DOS and Win9x apps.

I'll stop here, because this is OT.

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 Daniel Rail
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Re: TB and XP new SP2...

[ralph]

hello WilWilWil,

@Donnerstag, 26. August 2004, 12:03 you wrote:

> ==Original message text===
> From: ralph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: WilWilWil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thursday, August 26, 2004, 11:13:10 AM
> Subject: TB and XP new SP2...
r>> hello WilWilWil,

r>> @Donnerstag, 26. August 2004, 00:05 you wrote:

>>> I see in the footer of some mails that some of you use TB on XP with new Service
>>> Pack 2. Have you seen some troubles with TB 2.12 or higher under SP2 ?

>>> Is this SP2 really necessary for people who don't use use microsoft Outlook and
>>> Internet Explorer with all his holes of security ? Because this upgrade seems to
>>> be very heavy !


r>> same here, no probs with sp2...


> ===End of original message text===
> You've got no problem with SP2 but you seem to have another problem : more than 6
> times the same mail ! ;-)


sorry, seems to be something wrong with my provider: i didn't receive
a single one...

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Re[2]: TB and XP new SP2...

[WilWilWil]

==Original message text===
From: ralph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: WilWilWil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, August 26, 2004, 11:13:10 AM
Subject: TB and XP new SP2...
r> hello WilWilWil,

r> @Donnerstag, 26. August 2004, 00:05 you wrote:

>> I see in the footer of some mails that some of you use TB on XP with new Service
>> Pack 2. Have you seen some troubles with TB 2.12 or higher under SP2 ?

>> Is this SP2 really necessary for people who don't use use microsoft Outlook and
>> Internet Explorer with all his holes of security ? Because this upgrade seems to
>> be very heavy !


r> same here, no probs with sp2...


===End of original message text===
You've got no problem with SP2 but you seem to have another problem : more than 6
times the same mail ! ;-)

-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: TB and XP new SP2...

[ralph]

hello WilWilWil,

@Donnerstag, 26. August 2004, 00:05 you wrote:

> I see in the footer of some mails that some of you use TB on XP with new Service
> Pack 2. Have you seen some troubles with TB 2.12 or higher under SP2 ?

> Is this SP2 really necessary for people who don't use use microsoft Outlook and
> Internet Explorer with all his holes of security ? Because this upgrade seems to
> be very heavy !


same here, no probs with sp2...

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Re: TB and XP new SP2...

[Richard Wakeford]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hello WilWilWil,

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 you wrote in 

W> Is this SP2 really necessary for people who don't use use microsoft Outlook and
W> Internet Explorer with all his holes of security ? Because this upgrade seems to
W> be very heavy !

I've just been notified that SP2 is now available for download but have
decided not to use it, at least until a further bug fix version is put
out. I do a manual search for Windows XP updates on a regular basis and
that's the only time I use IE. I have never touched Outlook, nor do I
use messenger. I have Kerio firewall and FProt virus checker so I feel,
if it aint broke, don't fix it!

- --
Regards,
Richard

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| Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 1

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Re: TB and XP new SP2...

[ralph]

hello WilWilWil,

@Donnerstag, 26. August 2004, 00:05 you wrote:

> I see in the footer of some mails that some of you use TB on XP with new Service
> Pack 2. Have you seen some troubles with TB 2.12 or higher under SP2 ?

> Is this SP2 really necessary for people who don't use use microsoft Outlook and
> Internet Explorer with all his holes of security ? Because this upgrade seems to
> be very heavy !


same here, no probs with sp2...

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Re: What defines a mailto?

[Allister Jenks]

Thursday, August 26, 2004, 7:48:26 PM, Maurice wrote:

MS> Well, in all actuality, it isn't a 'mailto:' considering the string
MS> 'mailto:' isn't part of it.

Granted.  But if I write...

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

...without specifying "mailto:"; at the front, TB! realises it is an
email address and highlights it as such.

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Re: TB and XP new SP2...

[ralph]

hello WilWilWil,

@Donnerstag, 26. August 2004, 00:05 you wrote:

> I see in the footer of some mails that some of you use TB on XP with new Service
> Pack 2. Have you seen some troubles with TB 2.12 or higher under SP2 ?

> Is this SP2 really necessary for people who don't use use microsoft Outlook and
> Internet Explorer with all his holes of security ? Because this upgrade seems to
> be very heavy !


same here, no probs with sp2...

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Re: TB and XP new SP2...

[ralph]

hello WilWilWil,

@Donnerstag, 26. August 2004, 00:05 you wrote:

> I see in the footer of some mails that some of you use TB on XP with new Service
> Pack 2. Have you seen some troubles with TB 2.12 or higher under SP2 ?

> Is this SP2 really necessary for people who don't use use microsoft Outlook and
> Internet Explorer with all his holes of security ? Because this upgrade seems to
> be very heavy !


same here, no probs with sp2...

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Re: What defines a mailto?

[Maurice Snellen]

On Thursday, August 26, 2004 at 19:02 (which was Thursday, August 26,
2004 at 9:02 where I am) Allister Jenks wrote:

> Any idea why TB! does not recognise the following as a mailto: ?

Well, in all actuality, it isn't a 'mailto:' considering the string
'mailto:' isn't part of it. It is a string of characters containing an
'@'-sign that might or might not be an e-mail address or
'mailto:'-uri.

Written like this:



it is recognized and immediately useable.

-- 
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Maurice

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Re: TB and XP new SP2...

[Prezes]

Hello,
Thursday, August 26, 2004, 12:05:00 AM, you wrote:

W> I see in the footer of some mails that some of you use TB on XP with new Service
W> Pack 2. Have you seen some troubles with TB 2.12 or higher under SP2 ?

No problem :-)

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 Prezes  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

The Bat! v2.13 "Lucky" Beta/8, Windows XP 5.1, Build 2600, Service Pack 2


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What defines a mailto?

[Allister Jenks]

Hello TBUDLers,

Any idea why TB! does not recognise the following as a mailto: ?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I've changed the 1's and the alphabet part to disguise the real address
(it's a mailing list confirmation).  The = sign seems to replace the @
in my address, and may be the problem?

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 Allister
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