Re: Log info on "could not connect to server"

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Thomas!

On Sunday, February 08, 2004, 12:11 AM, you wrote:

MRB>> My ISP is in Indonesia. I could ask about it by e-mail, though, once
MRB>> the server gets back up. Next time I will do that.

TF> How about the ISP you log in through? I have this "Cannot connect to
TF> seerver" sometimes. Inclduing today, when my main ISP (my university,
TF> as Ihave free access) could not connect to GMX. I switched to log in
TF> through a pay-for ISP and have no problems connecting.

Okay. I *think* I understand what you're saying. I'm connected by
broadband to Comcast.net. This happens automatically on boot, although
I also have installed a little "re-set" icon, in case of a failed
connection to Comcast.net. So far have had no need to use that.

My e-mail is running through a domain in Indonesia. It could just be
heavy traffic that was keeping me off--or, it could actually have been
a problem in my TB!. I didn't think to check it out with telnet--but
I've been reminded to do that, now, on this thread. So next time it
happens--although I hope that will be never! :)--I'll run telnet and
tell myself, Don't Panic. :)

TF> Therefore, no TB problem.

Thanks for writing. :)

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Re: OT: Coffee

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Mark!

On Sunday, February 08, 2004, 12:52 AM, you wrote, in part in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

MRB>> to tbot, for both of us, and I deserve the trout I'm probably going to
MRB>> get for even responding here. :) But, SCNR!

MW> Yes, I'll take that as a virtual trout and go fishing elsewhere.

So. why are we still here? Are you trying to entice me into more
flouting of tbudl's rules? Are you not subscribed on tbot?

MW> Oh, all right... I'll bite... SCNR?



Sorry, Could Not Resist, as in, it's too great a temptation to reply
to you. :)

MW> Second Cup's Not Ready?

Will be in just a sec, but on tbot :).

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Re: OT: Coffee

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Mark!

On Saturday, February 07, 2004, 3:38 PM, you wrote, in part, in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

MRB>> prospective father whom a country doctor has told to go down to the
MRB>> kitchen and boil some water. :)

MW> ...for coffee no doubt...

Natch. 

M>>> Hm! That coffee! :)

MRB>> Yes! Time for another cup. :)

MW> that's all the encouragement I needed. Off I go...

to tbot, for both of us, and I deserve the trout I'm probably going to
get for even responding here. :) But, SCNR!

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Re: Log info on "could not connect to server"

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Peter!

On Saturday, February 07, 2004, 9:11 AM, you wrote:

MRB>> In most instances, the Internet browsers are still available to me.
MRB>> It's just the POP3 and SMTP that are not functioning.

PO> You could use telnet to find out if it's a TB or server problem.

Thank you so much! I know how to run telnet, so I will do that. I just
hadn't thought of using it like that. :)

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Re: Start TheBat without automatically fetching mail (which is set)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello MAU!

On Saturday, February 07, 2004, 6:32 AM, you wrote:

MRB>> Would Account/Properties/Options/ and uncheck "Check mailbox at start-up"
MRB>> and check "Ignore check all accounts request" work?

M> Not in this case because to do that he needs to start TB. And if he
M> starts TB it will start checking mailboxes before he has time to
M> reconfigure.

I see. And it's even clearer from the answers you and Marck sent him.
Well, I'll file those in my "Troubleshooting" folder, in case I ever
face a similar difficulty. :)

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Re: Start TheBat without automatically fetching mail (which is set)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Timo!

On Saturday, February 07, 2004, 5:58 AM, you wrote:

TB>is it possible to start a Bat that is set to fetch all mails from
TB>several accounts (and delete them on the server afterwards) so that
TB>it doesn't fetch mails? ...

Would Account/Properties/Options/ and uncheck "Check mailbox at start-up"
and check "Ignore check all accounts request" work?

Have never experimented with these settings, myself. "Check mail at
start-up" is unchecked in my configuration as is "Ignore check all
acounts request." It's just a thought.

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Re: Log info on "could not connect to server"

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Clive!

On Saturday, February 07, 2004, 5:18 AM, you wrote:

MRB>> ... can any version of TB! tell the reason "why," as in, for
MRB>> instance, quoting the server's response? ... In most instances,
MRB>> ... the Internet browsers are still available to me.

CT> 99 times out of 100 it's a problem 'at the other end'. If your
CT> Internet connection is working but it's only email that's not
CT> functioning the problem is likely to be with your ISP's mail servers.

Well, it happened two nights in a row, around 6:00 p.m., but much
longer last night. If it happens tonight, as soon as I can connect
again, I'll ask my ISP about it by e-mail.

CT> The key to resolving this problem is patience!

I hear you talking.  I'll try getting a little more of that for
myself! Thanks for writing, Clive. :)

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Re: Log info on "could not connect to server"

[Mary R Bull]

Hello MAU!

On Saturday, February 07, 2004, 5:11 AM, you wrote:

MRB>> Hello Everyone!

M> Well, my name is not Everyone but I'll try to respond :)

lol And I'm very glad to hear from you--"a rose by any other name
would smell as sweet" ... and already I'm OT. :)

MRB>> Do any of you know whether a later version than 2.00.6 of The Bat!
MRB>> provides more information in the log than just the bare line "could
MRB>> not connect to server"?

M> Mine is 2.01.3, as you can see below, and that's what I get when I can't
M> connect to the server.

I see. Well, I'm certainly not far enough along to start playing with
betas, so I guess I'll stick with 2.00.6. It doesn't seem to have any
more problems than the CE. :)

MRB>> ... can any version of TB! tell the reason "why," as in, for
MRB>> instance, quoting the server's response?

M> There is no server response to quote because you cannot connect to it.
M> If you could connect but for some reason you could not login, the error
M> message would be different.

Well, that's logical. And of course I couldn't expect TB! to know why,
if the problem is on the other end. Is there a way, technically, for
it to be able to tell me that the problem is TB!'s, if it is? In
future versions, that is?

MRB>> In most instances, the Internet browsers are still available to me.
MRB>> It's just the POP3 and SMTP that are not functioning.

M> It may be that your ISP's server is down. Have you tried to call your
M> ISP and find out if their mail server is up and running smoothly?

My ISP is in Indonesia. I could ask about it by e-mail, though, once
the server gets back up. Next time I will do that.

MRB>> Last night I shut TB! down and re-launched several times to no avail.
MRB>> Then I tried closing TB! and re-booting the computer. No joy there,
MRB>> either. ...

M> If it is the server being down or not responding, none of that helps.

As I found. :) But back when I was running v. 161, the problem was
often in TB! itself, although all it would say was "could not connect
to server." But in that version it was an almost daily occurence--the
program would seem to time itself out after being up awhile and a
re-launch or a re-boot would seem to fix it.

Anyway, re-launching and re-booting gave me something to do, like the
prospective father whom a country doctor has told to go down to the
kitchen and boil some water. :)

M> Hm! That coffee! :)

Yes! Time for another cup. :)

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Log info on "could not connect to server"

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Everyone!

Do any of you know whether a later version than 2.00.6 of The Bat!
provides more information in the log than just the bare line "could
not connect to server"?

I mean, can any version of TB! tell the reason "why," as in, for
instance, quoting the server's response?

In most instances, the Internet browsers are still available to me.
It's just the POP3 and SMTP that are not functioning.

Last night I shut TB! down and re-launched several times to no avail.
Then I tried closing TB! and re-booting the computer. No joy there,
either. After about 3 hours of trying (not continuously, of course), I
gave up and went to bed. As I've already mentioned in two earlier
posts here this morning. :)

If my question is better addressed to tbot, I'll take it there.

TIA for help anyone can offer me. :)

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Re:The Bat!'s mail delays [was: Help for a new user]

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Peter!

On Friday, February 06, 2004, 6:16 PM, you wrote:

PO> on Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:07:23 -0600 (2004-02-07 01:07:23 in .nl) in the
PO> message with reference
PO>  you
PO> [MB] wrote (at least in part):



MRB>> ... For some reason, your post was late showing on my machine,
MRB>> compared to its creation time. ...

PO> That's because of the remainders of a 'backbone problems' my ISP had
PO> earlier today (mmm... most of the day). The email sat on their server
PO> for about 3 hours... Oh well, s*** happens (how long will this one take).

It might have come through immediately. :) But about 6:00 or so The
Bat! started telling me "could not connect to server" and continued
that, with no explanation in the log, until bedtime.

So, good morning to you, and thanks for writing! I'm going to start a
new thread about "could not connect to server" now.

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Re: Help for a new user

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Paul!

On Friday, February 06, 2004, 7:42 PM, you wrote, in part, in response
to my post, mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :



PB> Have left the other questions for the experts.

In the interest of brevity, I snipped out your excellent advice to
Kay. Just wanted to thank you so very much for the Reply. My server
went down for 3 hours yesterday evening--at least, The Bat! said it
"could not connect"--so I shut the computer down and went to bed.
Slept well, too! Anyway, good morning to you and thanks again for
writing.

It's not often that someone almost as new as I was to the particular
commands needed in The Bat! turns up here. The List had a long
discussion at the time I subscribed on whether tbudl truly was for
absolute newbies, as well as for knowledgeable TB! users.

The response to my post for Kay absolutely proves to me that it is.
:) Many thanks to all who've written in, as well as to you, Paul.

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Re: Help for a new user

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Peter!

On Friday, February 06, 2004, 2:48 PM, you wrote, in regard to
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], in part:

PO> Does that help?

I'll let Kay reply to the "help" part, herself. :) But for myself,
thank you so much, your answers are clear and easy to understand, and
it's most gratifying to me to have my promises to Kay about how she
would be welcomed and helped here coming true. Thanks for writing. :)
(For some reason, your post was late showing on my machine, compared
to its creation time. I've had more mail delays than usual over the
past few days--hope that doesn't continue much longer. Anyway, I thank
you with all my heart for this message.)

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Re: Help for a new user

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Marck!

On Friday, February 06, 2004, 3:08 PM, you wrote, in part:

MDP> Dear Kay,

MDP> @6-Feb-2004, 14:31 -0600 (06-Feb 20:31 UK time) Mary R Bull [MB] in
MDP> mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:



To me, the "old hand" here, this reply sounds like it's just exactly
the help that's needed. Thank you so much. I wrote to Kay, encouraging
her to post a Reply to you. (This was before I saw Andre's Post, also
offering help, or I would have also mentioned him to her.)

If she has any more difficulty with her posts being accepted, of
course I'll let you know. Meanwhile, many, many thanks.

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Re: Help for a new user

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Andre!

On Friday, February 06, 2004, 3:21 PM, you wrote, in part:

MRB>> If anyone here can help her with any of her 5 queries, she's still
MRB>> subscribed here, and both of us would be grateful for your answers.
 
AW> Well, at least I tried :)

:) And I'm sure it's going to help! I hope you and Marck will both
hear from her on List soon.

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Help for a new user

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Everyone!

A new user of The Bat!, who has had an evaluation copy for 6 days, has
been writing to me for help, because I recommended it as the best
e-mail program on Rootsweb's Computers-L.

I ran into problems I couldn't solve for her and recommended tbudl.
She has tried to post to the list--after encouragement from me--and
her very first post was returned, with a subsequent post to me at
tbudl being sent to me by [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It said: "The message's content type was not explicitly allowed"

So I wrote to her and asked if she would like me to try to get her
questions answered. She said, in part (begin copy-and-paste):
__
Hi Mary,
If you can get answers then please do so. I really like lots of things
about the Bat but some things I don't understand or maybe the 'Bat
just does not do what I want. Otherwise I will go back to Eudora or
Pegagus.
Thanks, Kay
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 kGSno
___
end copy-and-paste

Kay wants to know (here is an exact copy-and-paste of her declined
post):
___
This is the 6th day I've used the Bat. I don't understand much tech stuff.
Some of the things I need to do and can't figure out are:

1.Select and copy a message or a part thereof, and paste in my word
processor, MS Word.

2. Copy an email address from this list and paste it in a new
message.

3. When I receive a picture in email, when I forward that email why
doesn't the picture(s) show up in my forwarded message?

4. This day I tried to print a message and never could get it printed.

5. I do not understand when I get a message without an attachment,
there is a tab for "html" and a tab for "text", is there a way to stop
that from happening.

I am not a happy camper, I get too much mail to have to spend most of
my day "trying" to do what needs doing. Kay
__ 
end copy and paste
 
If anyone here can help her with any of her 5 queries, she's still
subscribed here, and both of us would be grateful for your answers.
 
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Re: mod: Off-topic (Was: Re[2]: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support))

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Allie!
On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 6:37 PM, you wrote:
AM> Mary Bull, [MB] wrote:

AM> Ok. It's time guys. :))
AM> 
AM> I deleted an account and deleted my moderatorial templates. ooops!!!
AM> Anyway, not to ever single you out Mary. ;)
AM> This thread has gone on long enough and has even drifted into the
AM> off-topic realm.
Indisputably. I'm sorry. :)
AM> Time to move it to TBOT. Thanks!!
Gone. :)

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Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello MAU!

On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 6:13 PM, you wrote:

MRB>> Though his age he won't tell!

Indispensable Miguel!!

M> I won't tell but I can write it :) I'll be 61 in two months from
M> today.

Then I shall also write a birthday rhyme for you!

I'll be 77 in about 3 months. And I have one grandchild, who'll be 21
in two days and was born in a February snowstorm.

BTW, that template only seems to work on messages from you.  :)

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Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello MAU!

On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 5:39 PM, you wrote:

MRB>> So, send me a Reply template that will strip out all that
MRB>> beginning-stuff which posters so often put in before getting to the
MRB>> point, and I'll send you a valentine, and we'll see how it goes! :)

M> Just include this macro at the beginning of your template:

M> %REDUNDANTANDUNNECESSARYINFO=""%-

Done. Thanks a million. :)

MRB>> How many grandchildren do you have? 

M> None. But I won't tell you why :)

Not relevant anyway.  Not really a very good clue to one's age. :)

Since we both prefer plain text, here's your valentine message from
me:

Happy Valentine to Miguel,
Who writes templates so well,
Who likes beer and likes coffee,
Though his age he won't tell!
:)

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Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello MAU!

On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 5:22 PM, you wrote:

MRB>> No, but I'm way too old for you. :) Unless you believe in December-May
MRB>> arrangements. :)

M> Way to old for me? What do you know? I'm not a kid any more. Actually, I
M> haven't been a kid for many many years. And when I say many many I mean
M> many many. :)

So, send me a Reply template that will strip out all that
beginning-stuff which posters so often put in before getting to the
point, and I'll send you a valentine, and we'll see how it goes! :)

How many grandchildren do you have? 

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Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello MAU!

On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 4:41 PM, you wrote

MRB>> Oh, come on, Miguel! Sit down with me and have a cup of coffee.

M> Tomorrow morning. If I have some coffee now I won't sleep.

It's a date. :)

MRB>> The cut-mark is one of the distinctive and wonderful features of this
MRB>> list, and I am really glad the moderators enforce it. (Even though
MRB>> mine gets messed up, sometimes.)

M> I have nothing against the cut mark. The point I am trying to get across
M> (apparently unsuccessfully) is that some reasons and arguments are good
M> for three lines, the footer, at the end of a message and not for the
M> introduction.

Yes, I saw that. But, as you see, I also (mistakenly?) read it as an
argument for doing away with a sig delimiter.

I wish I had a template to erase all the beginning of messages, too,
and just begin with the quoted text. Shift-Reply arrow doesn't always
work for that, when there are a number of passages of text one would
like to reply too.

M> 

MRB>> Really, this truly ought to be on tbot, IMHO, and I do wish you'd
MRB>> subscribe there.

M> Naaah. Too much alcohol and too much smoking there.



MRB>> *And*--to complicate matters, I did feel so much as if you'd come to my
MRB>> defense, criticizing the criticizer!

M> That was just a coincidence :)

I thought it was, but it helped soothe my wounded feelings a little
bit. :)

MRB>> I'll say this, you and Allie are both among my heroes, and I can't
MRB>> bear to see you bickering over these small points.

M> I only argue with people I appreciate. If I don't care about someone, I
M> don't bother to discuss/argue with him/her.

I know. And it's between you and Allie, anyway. Since you don't want
coffee, can I offer you a beer?

MRB>> Long live the cut-mark! Long live Miguel, Allie, Leif, and Marck.
MRB>> Actually, I had taken a vow to stay out of this thread, further, but
MRB>> you are irresistible. :)

M> Err, are you married Mary? ;-)

No, but I'm way too old for you. :) Unless you believe in December-May
arrangements. :) Happy upcoming Valentine's Day to Miguel!

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Re: Why repeat info ? (was: Re: cut-line RFC and client support)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello MAU!

On Wednesday, February 04, 2004, 4:06 PM, you wrote:

AM>> Now, can we please stop this nitpicking about how members choose to word
AM>> introductions to their replies.

M> Sorry Allie, I agreed on stopping this but I forgot something about
M> "nitpicking".

M> This is from your MOD template about cut mark and used in this same
M> thread by Marck:



M> At least three lines of text? Being courteous to other readers? H.

Oh, come on, Miguel! Sit down with me and have a cup of coffee. The
cut-mark is one of the distinctive and wonderful features of this
list, and I am really glad the moderators enforce it. (Even though
mine gets messed up, sometimes.)

However, I'm sorry that I butted into the thread originally. The
anonymous "tb" is determined not to use one.

Not my affair.

So, I thought I'd be courteous and welcome him, in case he should be
the newcomer I had assumed him to be.

And, instead, I got jumped on for not using a convention that another
fellow-subscriber preferred, and then the whole thing veered off onto
*his* conventions!!

Really, this truly ought to be on tbot, IMHO, and I do wish you'd
subscribe there.

*And*--to complicate matters, I did feel so much as if you'd come to my
defense, criticizing the criticizer!

All of us need more sleep? (Picking up on the tbbeta banter here.) :)

I'll say this, you and Allie are both among my heroes, and I can't
bear to see you bickering over these small points.

Long live the cut-mark! Long live Miguel, Allie, Leif, and Marck.
Actually, I had taken a vow to stay out of this thread, further, but
you are irresistible. :)

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Re: cut-line RFC and client support

[Mary R Bull]

Hello tb!

On Tuesday, February 03, 2004, 9:55 PM, you wrote:

tko> This differentiation doesn't make me a newbie who needs screenshots. :p

I was referring to myself as a Batty Newbie, who a couple of years ago
could have used a screenshot. Not to you.

However, aren't you new to this list? If so, as a fellow-subscriber,
let me say welcome.

If I've missed something, and you're not a newcomer, please forgive my
mistake.

It is true that difficulty getting used to the signature delimiter
(cut-mark) is something that seems to happen quite a bit with new
subscribers to tbudl. I've watched these kinds of discussions quite
often over the months that I've been here.

Anyway, let me say again that I am pleased to become acquainted with
you, even in a cut-mark discussion. :)

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Re: cut-line RFC and client support

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Chris!

On Tuesday, February 03, 2004, 9:42 PM, you wrote:

MRB>> Shutting up now, before I get a trout shower. :)

C> What's up with the trouts? Are they in any way related to the trouts
C> that people get slapped with on IRC?

C> /slap Mary R Bull
C> :-)

So, no idea?  :)

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Re: cut-line RFC and client support

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Leif!

On Tuesday, February 03, 2004, 9:15 PM, you wrote:

LG> Now watch it not work when I actually send this to the list. 

SCNR :)

I accomplished that, of course, with a manual highlight-and-copy. Your
cut-mark worked perfectly, Leif.

And your patience here in explaining reminds me of my early first days
posting to tbudl--now going on 2 years ago. It is sometimes very hard
for a Batty Newbie to "get it." :)

Maybe a screenshot in the Help file, like the one for the Mail
Dispatcher, might head some of this off at the pass. Or maybe not.

Shutting up now, before I get a trout shower. :)

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Re: Apology for broken cut-line [was: Is my mail to tbudl still bouncing?]

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Darrin!

On Tuesday, February 03, 2004, 9:48 AM, you wrote:

M>> ... Sorry about that broken delimiter ...

D> No problem. Looks fine now. :)

Thanks again! :)

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Re: Apology for broken cut-line [was: Is my mail to tbudl still bouncing?]

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Darrin!

On Tuesday, February 03, 2004, 9:07 AM, you wrote:

M>> This is a test to see whether tbudl is still bouncing my mail. ...

D> Showing up just fine.

Thanks, Darrin. Showed here, too. Sorry about that broken delimiter in
my New message sig template. Spotted it as soon as I tried a reply to
myself, went to the Address Book, and fixed i

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Re: Is my mail to tbudl still bouncing?

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Mary!

On Tuesday, February 03, 2004, 9:05 AM, you wrote:

MRB> This is a test to see whether tbudl is still bouncing my mail. If it
MRB> reaches the list, there will be great rejoicing here--natch!!

Great rejoicing! Disregard my test, please, fellow-subscribers. I'm
going to try tbot again, now. :)

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Is my mail to tbudl still bouncing?

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Everyone!

This is a test to see whether tbudl is still bouncing my mail. If it
is, I'll try to reach one of the moderators by private mail. If it
reaches the list, there will be great rejoicing here--natch!!

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Re: Export of messages and address books

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Thomas!

On Saturday, January 31, 2004, 9:55 PM, you wrote:

MRB>> I've been lurking on tbbeta and saw a couple of hours or so ago that beta 51
MRB>> is available to download. Message ID, from Stefan:

TF> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

TF> 

TF> Type "mid:"; in front of the message ID and it becomes clickable. Try
TF> clicking on both strings above and watch the different behaviour of
TF> TB. ;-)

Ah. No wonder you guys find this so useful. Avoids a world of quoting.
:) But, of course, I had to tell the dialogue window to look in
tbbeta, the folder where that message is stored.

So I may not have been much help to Mogens, unless he saves his tbbeta
messages in a folder. Oh, well, he can always search the tbbeta
archives for beta 51.

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Re: Export of messages and address books

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Mogens!

On Saturday, January 31, 2004, 10:14 AM, you wrote:

MH> Fixed that, but don't know why I am the only one with this type of
MH> problem. Well, the new version should be out soon.

I've been lurking on tbbeta and saw a couple of hours or so ago that beta 51
is available to download. Message ID, from Stefan:

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Mark!

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 3:17 PM, you wrote:

MRB>> Glad I didn't miss the mark too much. :)

MW> Ouch.

Apologies. Truly wasn't aiming at you with that set of letters
(m-a-r-k). You know what? I'm only one letter off your name in my own
(m-a-r-y). I may have just shot myself in the foot--or put my foot in
my mouth, or something. 



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Re: Help with English expressions [was I kinda like my Bat :)]

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Jean!

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 1:49 PM, you wrote:

JS> Thanks Mary

JS> OK. I'LL ask next question on Tbot.

I know you tried! As I just wrote to Henk, I had a long phone call
from my sister, and it's made me a little late answering you.

>> In addition, I've included a "Reply to:" address in my headers, to make
>> it easy for you to Reply to this e-mail on tbot rather than on tbudl.

JS> I understand that I can't use your"Reply to:" address!

No. That idea of mine didn't work. tbudl over-wrote what I had put in
Reply-to with its own address.

TF>>Just FYI! ;-)

JS> What FYI stands for ?

Thomas Fernandez, a long-time subscriber and poster, was saying, "For
Your Information," and sort of teasing me for not realizing the
situation about Reply-to already.

JS> For continuing on Tbot what can I do?

Try this for right now:

Set up a new message window and in the To: field copy this:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

For the subject line copy this:

Re: Help with English expressions [was I kinda like my Bat :)]

Then do Select All on this post and copy-and-paste it into your new
message. That way you will be starting a new thread, where we can
answer your questions on tbot.

At least I hope that perhaps this will work.

Reply to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Help with English expressions [was I kinda like my Bat :)]

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Henk!

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 1:40 PM, you wrote:

MRB>> Also, I know this is Off-Topic. Apologies in advance of the inevitable
MRB>> moderator's reminder. Shall we take this to tbot ...

HdB> For me English is also not my first language. So I would love to have the
HdB> opportunity to ask about translations and interpretations. I am
HdB> reading TBOT as well, so if we can go there with our questions. Maybe
HdB> we could agree to some kind of easy to understand or recognize
HdB> threadname?

I am sorry to be so late with this Reply. I had a long phone call from
my sister in the interval between your post and my seeing it.

I am trying Paul Cartwright's suggestion of a CC to tbot.

A tentative new name for the thread is in the subject line of this
post. I will be happy to go with whatever everyone thinks the new
thread should be named.

Also, if only, as with Paul, a copy-and-paste will work, you could
copy-and-paste this and manually put in the Subject line and Reply to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I will be most happy to try to answer any questions you have, that I'm
able to, and I'm sure many others on tbot will feel the same as I do
about trying to give this kind of help.

Thanks for asking. :)

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Richard!

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 12:30 PM, you wrote:

JS>> I am not sure to understand exactly some sentences:

RW> Sorry I didn't ignore you. I've just been out all the time ...

I figured that, Richard, and the same for Miguel. :) Was delighted at
the opportunity to play with words and possibly make a new on-line
friend. :)

RW> ... and see that Mary provided a quite excellent answer to my use
RW> of slang words. ...

Glad I didn't miss the mark too much. :)

RW> ... I'm sure she was also inwardly cringing at my terrible use of
RW> the English language at the same time :-)

I *was* *not*! My goodness, what a thing to say! I really enjoy
slang--have a private stash of my own, both inherited and acquired.
And for a native UK speaker, you do okay with English. 

If Jean's still reading this thread, I hope he will know that I'm only
teasing with that last sentence. Both on-line and in person I have
found your use of English impeccable, and a conversation with you is
always a pure joy. :)

Ah well, also: so much for my efforts to take this to tbot. :/

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Miguel!

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 12:16 PM, you wrote:

MRB>> Also, Miguel is not subscribed there--he doesn't have time for that
MRB>> extra list.

M> Nah, that's probably just an excuse ;-)

Now you tell me! Right when I'm in the middle of trying to welcome
this great new guy into our conversations!!

BTW, did I translate you and RW correctly?

M> Hm! I can smell your coffee from here, smells so good! ;-)

Ah, yes, I sent its spirit winging your way. Wish I could zap myself
immediately to sunny Spain, out of this cold Middle Tennessee winter
and bring you a whole potful, along with a refrigerator full of, what
else? Beer. :)

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Thomas!

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 11:50 AM, you wrote:

>> In addition, I've included a "Reply to:" address in my headers, to make it
>> easy for you to Reply to this e-mail on tbot rather than on tbudl.

TF> I just hit reply, and I get you here. The reason is that the list
TF> server will overwrite any Reply-To header with its own address.

Yes, spotted that when I looked at my message to Jean on this list. :/

TF> Just FYI! ;-)

Thanks a bunch. :) Well, I tried! I guess I could have put the Reply
to in the message body, as a work-around?

Jean seems like an interesting addition to the TB! conversation group.
Also, by his full-quote rule violation, I judge he's pretty new to
posting with us.

I hope he'll write to us on tbot soon. :)

Please reply to:

 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

:)

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Jean!

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 11:12 AM, you wrote. in part:

JS> This helps. Thanks Mary.

You're welcome. :)

And then you wrote, quoting me:

JS> ["]Shall we take this to tbot without being told to, Jean?["]
JS> Are you suggesting that this question is better for tbot than for tbuld?

Yes, I really think it is. Are you subscribed there? If not, here's
the "mail to:" address for subscribing:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

In addition, I've included a "Reply to:" address in my headers, to make it
easy for you to Reply to this e-mail on tbot rather than on tbudl.

Of course, it's possible that the moderators would not regard this
conversation as off-topic for tbudl. Sometimes my mind--out of being
wary of transgressing :) --interprets tbudl's rules more strictly than
the moderators do. :)

Also, Miguel is not subscribed there--he doesn't have time for that
extra list. So, since you were originally Replying to a MAU (Miguel)
posting, it was entirely appropriate for you to ask your questions for
the first time on this list, where the expressions that were puzzling
you were being used. I just thought that now, we might move it to
tbot. In case there were some more expressions that you wanted to have
explained.

All the best to you, Jean. :)

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Re: I kinda like my Bat :)

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Jean!

On Sunday, January 25, 2004, 8:57 AM, you wrote:

R>>> Looks as though some long evenings are coming up as I've just got to
R>>> give it a go! I don't know whether to thank you or not for leading me
R>>> down that path! ;-)

M>> Have a nice weekend ;-)

JS> On Sunday i am trying to improve my english.
JS> I need help.

Since Miguel hasn't answered yet, nor so far anyone else that I see on
my tbudl folder, I'll give it a try. I live in the U.S., born in
Texas, now residing in Tennessee. I've been with TB! for going on two
years now. One of the most wonderful things to me about the mailing
lists are the messages coming from people whose native language is not
my own. I've been learning so very much from all of you.

So, I want to try to help on this.

JS> I am not sure to understand exactly some sentences:

JS> I kinda like my Bat.. The thread's title

It's a sort of humor. "Kinda" means "sort of" or "somewhat." It's an
understatement. What's really meant is "I like my e-mail client, *The
Bat!* very, very, very much, in spite of its few things that need
fixing."

JS> I don't suppose you'd consider knocking up a little 'how to' document
JS> would you?

Roughly translated, this means: I don't suppose you would want to
write a message that explains how to do this, would you?

JS> Nah! Chickened out

"Chickened out" is a slang expression, used in a derisive tone of
voice. It means that the recipient who is accused of "chickening out"
has become scared of doing a particular thing, or has seen the
particular thing as too difficult, and so has changed his mind. He
will now not do what he had said he was going to do.

So, he's basically being called a coward. To be "chicken" is to be
"cowardly."

And, since he said this of himself, he's just indulging in a bit of
humor, perhaps to forestall being teased about deciding not to give up
a whole weekend to learning this new thing.

JS> I'll stick with hovering over CTRL+SHT+DEL thanks

This is a metaphor: his hands are hovering over--meaning, in a
position just above--these keys on the keyboard. It means he'll go on
using them rather than go through the long process of learning a new
(although possibly better) way.

JS> Oh heck, I've just got sucked into the wonders of WindowBlinds

"Oh heck" is a mild euphemism for "Oh hell."

To get "sucked into" something means to have been fooled or lured into
it, against one's better judgment.

"The wonders of WindowBlinds" is a partly ironic expression. He's
fascinated, but it's going to take up so much of his time to learn to
use this program that he's rueful, also.

JS> And

JS> in "I do, but YMMV" What stands YMMV for

YMMV stands for "your mileage may vary." Again, this is a figure of
speech, taken from the automobile industry. It means, in this context,
that "you may not have the same experience which I've had with this."

JS> Thanks for help

My pleasure, if it is truly a help!  I'm retired from teaching
elementary school--the last 10 years of my service was with 10-,11-, and
12-year-old youngsters in the sixth grade.

I hope--given this background--that I haven't "talked down" to you.

My undergraduate degree is in English Literature. I love to the point
of passion dealing with words and their backgrounds and meanings. :)

Also, I know this is Off-Topic. Apologies in advance of the inevitable
moderator's reminder. Shall we take this to tbot without being told
to, Jean?

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Re: TB With NOD32 Anti-Virus

[Mary R Bull]

Hello Steve!

On Monday, January 19, 2004, 5:07 AM, you wrote:

SM> You certainly put me going in the right direction here as the error is
SM> caused when NOD32 tries to access MAPI32.dll and when TB! is installed
SM> as a simple MAPI request handler (Options | Preferences |
SM> Applications) it sits beside NOD32 quite happily, so thanks Terry

I had been getting this error message from time to time--mostly when
attaching jpegs--about making Outlook the default client. I'd been
handling it by closing the error message window and proceeding on my
way, and that worked for me.

I'm running F-Secure. These "make Outlook your default client"
messages only began a couple of weeks ago and I've had F-Secure since
last November.

Puzzling.

But I went to Options/Preferences/Applications and installed TB! as
the simple MAPI request handler just now. Happened with ease.

I expect to see no more about Outlook on my screen--which application
I understand to be leaky as a sieve to trojans, worms, viruses, and
hackers. :)

Thanks for the detailed path to the MAPI button in TB!, Steve.

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