Re: Re[2]: wierd

[Sandor SZAKACS-VASS]

Hello,

just some ideas on this metaphysical tissue...

On Sat, 21 Jul 2001 04:14:42 +0200
Gergely Vandor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Associates' InoculateIT PE to check the comp... Clean. And the Sorting
> Office is clean as well, there's nothing in there.

And did you check TB's logfile to see if it "assumes" being the author of
the crime? 
 
> What puzzles me (besides the whole thing sounding insane of course :)
> is that sending dozens of meassages should take some time, and I don't
> remember anything like that. (And my friend received more than 100

You seems to have a modem connection. Maybe you have some logs here to...

> Is it possible that it was the mail server that messed things up
> somehow? Thinking back, I also set up this same e-mail account on a

And your friend still has the messages she received? Then you could take a
look on their headers to see the path they followed. You could see your
(temporary at that time) IP as the originating computer, or TB as X-Mailer.
Or, on the contrary, nothing related to you, in which case you should accuse
the server (personally I don't think this possibility will verify). Or you
could see the IP of your company's smtp server, in which case your brand new
OE6 is quilty.

> WindowsXP/OE6 config at my working place recently, but I deleted the
> account from that comp in about five mins. Who knows what OE6 can do
> in five minutes though? =)

Well, if the server is a normal POP3 or IMAP, nothing. If it's Exchange,
I've no idea about their interaction:) But this means that it's quite
possible that you messed up something with OE6 and in 5 minutes it sent the
messages to your friend (I assume at work you use a faster internet
connection than at home).

Regards, Sandor
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Re: IMAP?

[Sandor SZAKACS-VASS]

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:20:46 -0400
"Browning, Karl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have IMAP accounts also. The only way I have seen to get your messages
> is through the Message Dispatcher. Account|Dispatch Mail On Server|All

I'm not sure if I understand correctly the problem, but I've no problem
getting messages from my IMAP server. I created the account saying (lying:)
that the server was POP3 style (the only choice proposed by TB at
account-creation time) and then (even if getting the messages wasn't
working) I was able to change the protocol in Account/Properties/Transport
from POP3 to IMAP.

My conclusion: if you want to use an IMAP server, you have to create the
account with a POP3 server and after that change the protocol from POP3 to
IMAP.

In my opinion, this is another point where the documentation is not very
clear. I had the idea to create the account even if the only choice was POP3
after I've read (in the help) that the authors consider that IMAP is a
superset of POP3 and they say for the "POP3 server" that "Your incoming
e-mail server must use one of the two Internet-mail communications protocols
POP (Post Office Protocol) or IMAP"...

Regards, Sandor

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Re: Message Templates

[Sandor SZAKACS-VASS]

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:21:46 -0700
Melissa Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Actually, once you enter your recipient's address in the "To:" field, the
> moment you place your mouse in the composition window, no matter which
> template was there to begin with, it should magically turn into the proper
> individualized template for that recipient - providing you've made one for

Hello,

I've a somewhat related question: at which other moments (if any) Templates
get evaluated? For instance, I tried to use something like
This message contains the following attachment(s): %ATTACHMENT

If I attach a file while I'm in the headers, no problem, the cursor is moved
in the composition windows and the template is evaluated. But if I attach a
file when I already am in the composition window, the macro wont be updated
(not even when the message is sent).

Thnks, Sandor
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Re: PGP DLLs

[Sandor SZAKACS-VASS]

On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:53:20 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I cannot get The Bat! v1.53d to recognize the PGP DLLs I downloaded
> from RITLABS' site. I placed them in The Bat! program directory and
> rebooted the machine- no luck. I added the program directory to the
> PATH environment variable and rebooted- no luck. I'm thinking the

Sorry if it's basic, but do you actually have a working PGP version on your
machine? The dll-s you download from Ritlabs are only plugins which need the
"real" PGP... And the directory you've to add to your path is the PGP's one,
not the home of The Bat!.

Regards, Sandor

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Re: Is there a precise description for macros? (the story of %IF)

[Sandor SZAKACS-VASS]

On Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:26:51 -0700
Januk Aggarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> SSV> say higher level or general) macros like %LANGUAGE or %SINGLERE
> SSV> can't be used inside of a quick template included by an %IF
> As far as I know, it should work.  You might want to check that there
> are no typos anywhere.  Also, inside the quick template, the nesting

You're right, it works. I can't retrace the problem but I assume I forgot
the quotation marks for the second string, because today I did the same
mistake and the result was similar.

But there is a positive side in everything:) Try this:
%IF:"string"="astringa":"matches":"does not match"

Of course, the result is "does not match". Now try this one:
%IF:"string"=astringa:"matches":"does not match"

Surprise (at least for me): it "matches". The first character after the =
sign (the 'a') was interpreted as a string delimiter, and the rest of the
line is considered as a string until another 'a' is not found. Which means
that any (?) character can be used as a string delimiter, not only " and '.

See you, Sandor who's trying to figure out what kind of regexp to use to say
"I want to match any string which contains 'domain' and is not precedeed
_somewhere_ by 'user'". So username@domain should not match, but
othername@domain should, and a lookbehind conditional subpattern can't be
used because it works only with fixed length:(
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Re: FAQ and browser compatibility [was: Is there a precise description for macros? (the story of %IF)]

[Sandor SZAKACS-VASS]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:04:50 +0200
Jernej Simonèiè <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >> http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
> > Yes, and I'm happy to report that it works with Netscape 4.7 (yesterday
> Are you using WebWasher? If it's enabled, then neither Opera nor NS6
> won't display the page, but NS 4.51 for some reason will...

No, I don't use it, I'm connected through a proxy (squid) without any
content alteration. I think that for both of them the problem comes from
their JavaScript engine (Opera has many problems with JS, and Mozilla...
actually it's not my primary browser, so I don't know, but it's still a
beta...)

See you, S.
PS. It can be important that I'm talking about Opera and Mozilla under
linux. Sorry:) I use TheBat! at work where I've no time to browse the FAQ or
read this list, so I do all this at home on my linux box.
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Re: Is there a precise description for macros? (the story of %IF)

[Sandor SZAKACS-VASS]

On Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:41:01 -0700
Januk Aggarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Welcome.  I'll take a stab at this question.

Thank you (and the others) for your quick and very accurate answer!

> http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com

Yes, and I'm happy to report that it works with Netscape 4.7 (yesterday I
tried with Opera and Mozilla, no success):)

> SSV> So let's take the IF macro.
> You've probably chosen the hardest macro to learn.  The %IF macro was

Maybe, but it's also very useful...

> only introduced in the last version or two.  The general macro syntax
> was not designed to handle such a complex task.  However, I'll answer

So this is the reason for the rather strange syntax. I thought it was a kind
of discrepancy between usual programming-language logic and the authors' own
one.

> The first level uses only one quotation mark:  "..."or   '...'
> The second level uses double delimiters:  ""...""   or  ''...''
> The third level: """..."""  or '''...'''

Yes, after a couple of hours spent by browsing the beta-list archives (the
search engine can't deal with the % sign [nor can the FAQ's one]), I've
found a similar thread which suggested this aspect:
http://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg12266.html ...wrote
by you:)

> Think of the arguments to any macro as a mini template.  It is
> completely independant from the rest of your overall template.  That
> means that if you want to use a regexp search, you must do the search
> inside the delimiters of the %IF macro.

You answer my new questions before I could ask them:) I'd no idea why my
%SETPATTREGEXP...
%REGEXPBLINDMATCH...
%IF:"%SUBPATT...
(which I used beacause it's more readable) didn't work...

But I still have a question for today. I noticed that some (let's say higher
level or general) macros like %LANGUAGE or %SINGLERE can't be used inside of
a quick template included by an %IF macro. So this won't work:
%IF:"string1"="string2":"%QINCLUDE=""English""":"%QUINCLUDE=""French"""
where English is a quick template which contains %LANGUAGE="AM"

But this will:
%IF:"string1"="string2":"%LANGUAGE=""AM""%QINCLUDE=""English""":"%QUINCLUDE=""French"""

Is there a general rule which macros can't be included this way and in which
situation (and why)?

Wait a minute... Is this because what you said about macro as a
mini-template? But if so, why did it screw up the result instead of being
silenty ignored (or having effect only inside of the included template)?

> SSV> a little bit frustrated because I'm unable to fully exploit
> SSV> the power of the software;-P
> It takes time.  :-)

Well, I already am a 3-days-user:))

See you, Sandor; a grateful user who thinks that even if the on-line help
will be ameliorated, it will hardly beat this list.
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Is there a precise description for macros? (the story of %IF)

[Sandor SZAKACS-VASS]

Hello,

I'm a new user, so it's possible that my question is a FAQ - even if I
didn't find an answer in the archives nor on the net.

I'm looking for some more comprehensive documentation for the macros,
because the online help is just too summary.

A general answer would be very useful, but I'll try to give a concrete
exemple beacause I think this question is somewhat blurry...

So let's take the IF macro. The help says:
IF:"text1"sign"text2":"then text3":"else text3"
and gives the following exemple (without any further explanation):
%IF:"%TIME"<"12:00":"morning":"%IF:'%TIME'>'17:00':'evening':'afternoon'"

Well, how can I know:

- what delimiters can be used? Here we have two, I've seen another one
(space mixed with ;) in one of Chema's message...

- characters used as a delimiter can be quoted? Is there any mean to escape
them (like 'that\'s a quotation')?

- can delimiters be nested? The exemple shows that ' can be used inside of
", but what if I want to go deeper?

- the syntax say "text", which normally should mean a string. Then we have
an exemple with dates. So what can be used? Strings, numbers, dates? If so,
what are the rules of comparison for the strings? What are the operators?

- the exemple shows that macros can be used in the "text" parts, they will
be evaluated. But how can I use (if it's possible) a macro with a syntax
like %MACROsign"text"? Can I do something like:
%IF:'%SUBPATT="1"'='found':'i\'ve found it':'sorry'
This one doesn't work, which is hardly suprising because the sign"text" can
be part of both macros:)

Thank you in advance, and please don't think I'm just trying to bother
you... There are too many possibilities to try-and-hope-it-will-work:)

See you, Sandor, a little bit frustrated because I'm unable to fully exploit
the power of the software;-P
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