Re[4]: new feature wished
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, February 27, 2003 6:47:59 AM RE: new feature wished Greetings Philip, On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 6:46:50 PM, you wrote: PS That's true, the headers reflect the time on the MUA, not the time on PS your PC. Either clock could be wrong or right. The recipient can make PS an educated guess at which is more correct, but will rarely have any PS proof. And as the MUA is on the same machine that the MTA resides on it is my option to send immediate or delay sending as the time stamps generated by the MTA and MUA should be exact (+ whenever I send it to the MUA). PS Created. Not sent. A very important difference, for some people. Electronic Arts, as you, does not care when I created the message but I do. Should a programming problem arise I can go back to my sent folder and get an extremely good idea of when I created the message text and not when I saved it to my outbox or sent it. If I need to refer them to when I detected the coding error(s) then I have an extremely good idea of when I started the text portion of the message. I may start the message at 10:15am, minimize my message editing window, open the source code, make changes, recompile, test, and find the problem corrected. At that point I can open my production timeline and report the error was found at 10:15am, recoded and corrected at 7:27pm. If there is a question on their end I fire off my original e-mail that reports the time I originally detected the problem. Anyway It gives them a good indication of my production cycle and furnishes me a very close proximity of time for my deadlines. To cut to the quick the timestamp used for the creation template is much more for my purposes versus the receiver's purpose. It's kind of like my sticky note timeline. Yes, it can be manipulated but - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. Who puts those Thin Ice signs out there. The_Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Business Security 6.0 iQA/AwUBPl4GWDaPwvRMcz9cEQIDdwCgtIS4NXtT/7BCh5r1/o199cV78SwAoOSO pl6mZax80EAkiaci/Y37bHJX =UnlV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new feature wished
Hello DG, On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 07:36:51 -0500 GMT (27/02/03, 19:36 +0700 GMT), DG Raftery Sr. wrote: Electronic Arts, as you, does not care when I created the message but I do. Should a programming problem arise I can go back to my sent folder and get an extremely good idea of when I created the message text and not when I saved it to my outbox or sent it. I think here is a problem in TB. In the Sent box (or whereever I move sent mails to), it will show the same time stamp under Saved and Created, namely when I saved it for sending. I would prefer one to show the created time, and the other to show the sent time. Currently there is no way of knowing when the message was actually sent. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. That money talks, I'll not deny. I heard it once. It said, good-bye. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new feature wished
Hallo Thomas, On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:51:35 +0700GMT (27-2-03, 17:51 +0100, where I live), you wrote: TF Currently there is no way of knowing when the message was actually TF sent. It could be done with an outgoing filter. (Maybe a series, I'm not sure whether it can be done with only one.) Export the sent message Import it in whatever folder you'd like Delete it from the outbox. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new feature wished
Hello Roelof, On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:23:42 +0100 GMT (28/02/03, 00:23 +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: TF Currently there is no way of knowing when the message was actually TF sent. It could be done with an outgoing filter. (Maybe a series, I'm not sure whether it can be done with only one.) Probably. I would prefer TB to show the sent time automatically. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. At the evening service tonight, the sermon topic will be What is Hell? Come early and listen to the choir practice. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new feature wished
Fiber, On 26-02-2003 04:37, you [F] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: F What about a shortcut key that would go to the next unread F message no matter in what account is this message? A sort of F universal CTRL + ] People have been asking for this for a _long_ time. I think it's strange it hasn't been implemented yet. -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 1.63 Beta/7 /thebat version os Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1/os Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new feature wished
Hello Peter, People have been asking for this for a _long_ time. I think it's strange it hasn't been implemented yet. Developers don't have the time. They are busy implementing a new tab in the message pane (window) to display the RFC-822 headers, which is a real need felt by everyone ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new feature wished
- Original Message - From: Miguel A. Urech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter Fjelsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:45 PM Subject: Re: new feature wished Developers don't have the time. They are busy implementing a new tab in the message pane (window) to display the RFC-822 headers, which is a real need felt by everyone ;-) I really don't understand developers... They are busy implementing new features for The Bat! 1.xx, but what about The Bat! 2? Will it ever be released? I already doubt it... -- Edvinas Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new feature wished
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Edvinas, @26-Feb-2003, 20:12 +0200 (18:12 UK time) Edvinas Matiusaitis said: Developers don't have the time. They are busy implementing a new tab in the message pane (window) to display the RFC-822 headers, which is a real need felt by everyone ;-) I really don't understand developers... They are busy implementing new features for The Bat! 1.xx, but what about The Bat! 2? Will it ever be released? I already doubt it... The developers are now split into two teams in two separate locations. One, headed up by Stefan, is going to work on the v1 series, which will continue to be available and improved after v2 is out and about. The other is working hard on v2. Does that help your understanding? - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+XQcpOeQkq5KdzaARAvBHAJ9QkfscL0FSAfZZSoTw4+iubgGneACgpJof W3DwCOnsvaDZIZCLkKMK8Cs= =s+1b -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new feature wished
Edvinas Matiusaitis wrote: EM I really don't understand developers... They are busy implementing new EM features for The Bat! 1.xx, but what about The Bat! 2? Will it ever be EM released? I already doubt it... This looks like a nice try to speed them up, but I think they are probably already working hard as they can. -- Regards, John Morse You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you can't wipe your friends on the couch Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: new feature wished
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:56:41 PM RE: new feature wished Greetings Edvinas, On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 1:12:20 PM, you wrote: EM I really don't understand developers... They are busy implementing new EM features for The Bat! 1.xx, but what about The Bat! 2? Will it ever be EM released? I already doubt it... Being a developer myself I'd say this falls into the category of You get your cake and eat it too!. Version 2 is being developed with features that are new yet I am sure this will be a paid upgrade path for registered 1.xxx users however you still get further development and improvement on v1.xxx. In most cases this is an unheard of development and progression cycle as most companies would stop developing a 1.xx series and develop a 2.xx series whereas you pay to upgrade or you stay with a dead version. I see no complaint here! - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. Don't ask me, I'm making this up as I go!. The_Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Business Security 6.0 iQA/AwUBPl0QaTaPwvRMcz9cEQLFkgCgiaW+uoXiYZOz1zZCp9eDaLXByF8AniDC 4+nNkp16cZ0jCpxiqXvv2qi2 =Ah/a -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new feature wished
Hello DG, -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:56:41 PM RE: new feature wished Greetings Edvinas, On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 1:12:20 PM, you wrote: Can I ask you something with all respect? I know the first two line can't be avoided if you use PGP. But what about repeating the date, Time and Subject (plus two blank lines) in the body of the message? Are they really necessary when that same information is just a little above on the header pane? I ask you because, I admit it, I am curious about your reasons and also because I am quite lazy about having to scroll a message down when it actually would not be necessary ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: new feature wished
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, February 26, 2003 6:02:17 PM RE: new feature wished Greetings Miguel, On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 3:45:52 PM, you wrote: MAU But what about repeating the date, Time and Subject (plus two blank MAU lines) in the body of the message? Are they really necessary when MAU that same information is just a little above on the header pane? The header pane does not reflect actual information. Just sent and received and it may be deceiving based on the MUA used. I do this because I have quite a bit of business correspondence daily and I want to insure, REGARDLESS of transport (MTA) and display time, that once I affix my PGP signature, utilizing the new or reply templates that I have here, that there is NO doubt on the receiver end at what time I created the reply. So ... To answer your question YES. There is a strict, procedural reason why I do this. Sorry. - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. Never trust a stockbroker who's married to a travel agent. The_Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Business Security 6.0 iQA/AwUBPl1JaDaPwvRMcz9cEQIdMwCgu2dcvsi+9A6oQE+X6EC0MgXJI9gAoM2y N8jiKrTQzvco/5zNsleo6DRU =+1Md -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new feature wished
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, DG Raftery Sr. wrote... I do this because I have quite a bit of business correspondence daily and I want to insure, REGARDLESS of transport (MTA) and display time, that once I affix my PGP signature, utilizing the new or reply templates that I have here, that there is NO doubt on the receiver end at what time I created the reply. So ... To answer your question YES. There is a strict, procedural reason why I do this. Not to jump in or anything... but I somehow don't think the people on the list are *that* worried about that kind of information being that valid. As a second point... Monday, March 3, 2003 :) Sorry ;) PGP Signed to boot :) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPl1LniuD6BT4/R9zEQI8xACghwdhLB3y8F53VWEaH648PvGLjZIAoP2H 8hc0FAvyTaAv93a1/GOXSI2v =aqn5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new feature wished
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, Jonathan Angliss wrote... I affix my PGP signature Monday, March 3, 2003 :) Sorry ;) PGP Signed to boot :) I also forgot to point out... PGP signatures have a date/time stamp in them anyway. If the person is really curious at when you signed the email to send it... then that'd be the place to look... not what you wrote. Of course... you can set your clock back on your pc, and do all kinds of fancy tricks... but hey - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA+AwUBPl1N2SuD6BT4/R9zEQLg+QCg6+fKd7+CO0cpTa/pB8mVvFoC2TQAmMcX fvtIa1bvKlBkrnmhC8KCZAI= =Nmcj -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: new feature wished
Hello DG, I don't wish to nitpick - I'm new on the list, and have only been lurking until today. But I did just want to make a couple of points... Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 11:10:35 PM, you wrote: DRS The header pane does not reflect actual information. Just sent DRS and received and it may be deceiving based on the MUA used. That's true, the headers reflect the time on the MUA, not the time on your PC. Either clock could be wrong or right. The recipient can make an educated guess at which is more correct, but will rarely have any proof. DRS I do this because I have quite a bit of business correspondence DRS daily and I want to insure, REGARDLESS of transport (MTA) and DRS display time, that once I affix my PGP signature, utilizing the DRS new or reply templates that I have here, that there is NO doubt DRS on the receiver end at what time I created the reply. So ... Created. Not sent. A very important difference, for some people. When I received this message, it said that it was sent at 23:10. That's perfectly correct. Yet your procedure adds the time at time of creation. From that, I can surmise that it took you eight minutes to create the reply. (Not necessarily an accurate time, especially as either machine - your MUA or PC - could be out by a minute or more, for all I know.) More importantly, though, The Bat! correctly shifted the first MUA timestamp to MY timezone when it displayed it in the message list. That's why I said 23:10 - I had to shift your in-message datestamp into my timezone manually in order to get the time taken when calculating the above. A trivial operation, but I could only do this because I'm aware of the fact you're in a different timezone after having looked at the headers to see what the time on your first MUA was. That's why I rely upon the MUA timestamps, as do many people - because good mail clients will adjust the times to suit the reader's timezone. I therefore have two suggestions: Firstly, consider stating your timezone after the time in your new message/reply templates. That will help prevent any confusion on your recipient's side. Secondly, at least one person obviously prefers to read the message, then worry about times. I doubt there would be a complaint if this information appeared in your sig, like this: Message created on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 at 6:02:17 PM EST The information will still be there, just at a slightly different location - and far clearer for all your recipients, who will then be able to differentiate between time zones AND the date/time created and the date/time it was handled by the MUA, as per your intentions. All of this was intended in a helpful, constructive and friendly manner, naturally. Do with it as you wish. :-) -- Best regards, Philipmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new feature wished
Hello DG, OK, I understand your reasons business correspondence. Just like me. I spend must of my day reading and writing business correspondence. But, if I use here the same templates I use for business correspondence, I will top post and full quote (like I am doing now :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Maybe I should use my business signature also (and this is not a Cookie :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wednesday, February 26, 2003 6:02:17 PM RE: new feature wished Greetings Miguel, On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, 3:45:52 PM, you wrote: MAU But what about repeating the date, Time and Subject (plus two blank MAU lines) in the body of the message? Are they really necessary when MAU that same information is just a little above on the header pane? The header pane does not reflect actual information. Just sent and received and it may be deceiving based on the MUA used. I do this because I have quite a bit of business correspondence daily and I want to insure, REGARDLESS of transport (MTA) and display time, that once I affix my PGP signature, utilizing the new or reply templates that I have here, that there is NO doubt on the receiver end at what time I created the reply. So ... To answer your question YES. There is a strict, procedural reason why I do this. Sorry. - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. Never trust a stockbroker who's married to a travel agent. The_Bat! 1.63 Beta/7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Business Security 6.0 iQA/AwUBPl1JaDaPwvRMcz9cEQIdMwCgu2dcvsi+9A6oQE+X6EC0MgXJI9gAoM2y N8jiKrTQzvco/5zNsleo6DRU =+1Md -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: new feature wished
Hello Folks, One minor correction to my previous email - I use MUA when I meant to use MTA. All the way through the email, too! This is a sign that it is time for me to sleep. :-) Sorry for any confusion this generates. -- Best regards, Philipmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62i on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
new feature wished
Hi, Me again... What about a shortcut key that would go to the next unread message no matter in what account is this message? A sort of universal CTRL + ] Fiber Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
