Re[5]: HTML Mail viewing (images)

2001-01-23 Thread Joseph John Johnson Jr.

Hello Abigail M. [AM],
Sometime around Monday, January 08, 2001, 7:14:44 PM, you wrote:

AM If there is to be a change in future releases of TB, PLEASE allow this
AM to be an option, with the DEFAULT setting being to not download
AM images.

AM This is just my preference, but for me it is a main reason that I
AM switched to TB - I don't have a fast connection, and TB's automatic
AM rejection of image files speeds up the download time tremendously and
AM also eliminates pesky banner ads.

Amen to that.  I also switched to Tb for the regexp options and for
the simple fact that it does NOT download outside images.  I don't
feel like going and telling anyone whether or not I view their email
and how many times I view it.

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Re[2]: HTML Mail viewing (images)

2001-01-10 Thread Abigail Marshall

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On Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 11:12:08 PM, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) wrote:

AGSAA Personally I don't think you're going against the rules of this ML when
AGSAA you're trying to discuss some topics like one you were raised. However
AGSAA this particular topic have been discussed more than 10 times in my mind
AGSAA with the same and the sad result: it ended up with the holy war and the
AGSAA flame war :-(. Sad but true (C) RIT Labs.

AGSAA There are several ways to stop this useless HTML-with-images talks
AGSAA forever.

Andrey - (and everyone else):
Those of us who have joined the list relatively recently have no way
of knowing which issues and topics have been discussed here before. In
fact, because the volume of mail from this list is so high, I cannot
possibly read all of the mail that comes in currently - so it would be
easy to miss a topic. (I just filter the list into a folder in
threaded form, read the posts under subject topics that look like they
might interest me, and delete the rest).

The ONLY answer is a good online FAQ, combined with automated
distribution to the list of the links to the FAQ, as a reminder to new
users to check the FAQs before posting.  The fact that a subject seems
to be one that has been exhaustively debated in the past would
indicate that it is something that should be included in the FAQs.

-Abigail



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Re[3]: HTML Mail viewing (images)

2001-01-10 Thread syv

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AM On Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 11:12:08 PM, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) wrote:


AM The ONLY answer is a good online FAQ, combined with automated
AM distribution to the list of the links to the FAQ, as a reminder to new
AM users to check the FAQs before posting.  The fact that a subject seems
AM to be one that has been exhaustively debated in the past would
AM indicate that it is something that should be included in the FAQs.

What about a 'real' help file that would come with the
software?


AM -Abigail




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Re: HTML Mail viewing (images)

2001-01-10 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi Abigail,

On 10 January 2001 at 14:06:55 -0800 (which was 22:06 where I
live) Abigail Marshall wrote and made these points:

AM Those of us who have joined the list relatively recently have no
AM way of knowing which issues and topics have been discussed here
AM before.

snip

AM The ONLY answer is a good online FAQ, combined with automated
AM distribution to the list of the links to the FAQ, as a reminder
AM to new users to check the FAQs before posting.

There  is  a  searchable list archive. The address is distributed to
the  list at the foot of every message. The welcome message contains
a link to the FAQ.

Although  this  issue  is  a  recurrent  bette-noire,  RIT labs have
promised  to  offer  support  of  this much requested feature in V2.
Perhaps  I should add a section to the FAQ about why TB (v1) doesn't
show out-of-line images and why it's a "good thing" that it is so.

AM The fact that a subject seems to be one that has been
AM exhaustively debated in the past would indicate that it is
AM something that should be included in the FAQs.

Agreed.  I  may  get  time  to  add something about in very soon. My
current workload has meant that I have not been available to do very
much  about  it recently. Bear in mind, also, that this list and the
FAQ are a *user* resource - maintained by volunteers.

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Re: DEAD PHOENIX (Was Re: HTML Mail viewing (images))

2001-01-09 Thread Nick Andriash

On January 9, 2001, at 5:09:58 PM, MartianRover KF6KNC Wrote:

MK Being that these questions get asked over and over again by new comers
MK and such, is there an archive that one could search through for an
MK answer before posting to the list?

Check the footer of every message. There you will find a link to the TBUDL
Archives:

MK View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com


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OT: Re: DEAD PHOENIX (Was Re: HTML Mail viewing (images))

2001-01-09 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hallo MartianRover,

I'm doing something which is against the list rules: reply to a
dead-horsed message. This is because you don't seem to have understood
Marck's point.

On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 17:09:58 -0800 GMT (09/01/2001, 09:09 +0800 GMT),
MartianRover KF6KNC wrote:

MDP This conversation has been Dead Horsed so many times that I can only
MDP roll my eyes as I have to kill it again g.

MartianRover  What do you mean "Against the Rules"?

He meant "me too"'s.

MartianRover  Being that these questions get asked over and over again by new
MartianRover  comers and such, is there an archive that one could search
MartianRover  through for an answer before posting to the list?  If not, what
MartianRover  about setting one up?

What about reading the footer of every message that you receive on
this list:

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Re: Re[5]: HTML Mail viewing (images)

2001-01-09 Thread Austin Dennis

I realise this has been DEAD-HORSED, so this will be my final posting. I
just wanted to clear things up, because I didn't understand the original
request properly. I totally agree that TB should not show inline HTML images
by default. My desire was an option to show images attached to the message
at the end of the message, rather than on tabs at the bottom of the message
preview screen. Different issue.

Apologies for going against the rules of the list. I should have read the
rules more carefully.

Regards
Austin

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Re[2]: DEAD PHOENIX (Was Re: HTML Mail viewing (images))

2001-01-09 Thread Tony Boom

This message: 09/01/2001 11:45 GMT.

Hello MartianRover,


  A reminder of what MartianRover ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on:
  09 January 2001 at 17:09:58 GMT -0800

MK KF6KNC


 OT I know but... Is that a Radio Amateur call sign I see?
  

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Re: HTML Mail viewing (images)

2001-01-09 Thread Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)

Hello!


Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 12:18:31 PM, Austin Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

lost

AD Apologies for going against the rules of the list. I should have read the
AD rules more carefully.

Personally I don't think you're going against the rules of this ML when
you're trying to discuss some topics like one you were raised. However
this particular topic have been discussed more than 10 times in my mind
with the same and the sad result: it ended up with the holy war and the
flame war :-(. Sad but true (C) RIT Labs.

There are several ways to stop this useless HTML-with-images talks
forever. One of them IMHO is to wait until the RIT Labs will release the
next (third, fourth) TB! version with the user-selectable behaviour when
receiving such messages.


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HTML Mail viewing (images)

2001-01-08 Thread Kent Villard (iChef)

Hello folks,

I'm sure I missed this somewhere (if I did, please direct to where),
but I was wondering is there a way to get the images to display when
viewing HTML messages? I have a constant connection and would love for
these messages to be complete. I have some messages that I get
periodically with gfx (like charts etc) - that I would like to be able
to view within the mail client.

I'm using TheBat v1.49 on a Windows 2000 box with 384Mb of RAM for
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Re: HTML Mail viewing (images)

2001-01-08 Thread Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)

Hello!


Monday, January 08, 2001, 11:36:07 PM, Kent Villard (iChef) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

KVi I'm sure I missed this somewhere (if I did, please direct to where),

You can search the TBUDL archives for a long and repeated discussions
about this feature.

KVi but I was wondering is there a way to get the images to display when
KVi viewing HTML messages? I have a constant connection and would love for
KVi these messages to be complete. I have some messages that I get
KVi periodically with gfx (like charts etc) - that I would like to be able
KVi to view within the mail client.

If these images are embedded (attached) to the HTML message you've
received TB! will show them in the HTML preview pane. But if any image
referenced in the HTML part should be taken from any outside source (for
example, IMG SRC="http://server.domain.tld/images/image.gif" it
wouldn't be shown. It has been done to prevent a malicious content from
being _automatically_ downloaded to your computer.

A workaround: if you have some HTML message with the exclamation marks
instead of the real images just double-click the message.html or
message.shtml attachment and your default browser will open it in
the separate window.


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Re: HTML Mail viewing (images)

2001-01-08 Thread Austin Dennis

Hi Kent

 I'm sure I missed this somewhere (if I did, please direct to where),
 but I was wondering is there a way to get the images to display when
 viewing HTML messages? I have a constant connection and would love for
 these messages to be complete. I have some messages that I get
 periodically with gfx (like charts etc) - that I would like to be able
 to view within the mail client.

Do you mean you would like the attachment to automatically appear when you
view a message? If so, I emailed a similar suggestion to Ritlabs a few days
ago - this was the response:

AD 2. It would be nice if attachments (i.e. images) appeared at the
AD end of the message text, as it does in Outlook Express.
[skip]

These two will be solved when a version with the new editor will be
released. We are developing a new message editor/viewer right now - it
will behave more "windows-like" and I think it will be possible to
view images at the end of a message...

"think" is not encouraging, but we can hope.

I am now used to pressing CTRL-TAB to cycle through the attachments, but
would still prefer them to automatically appear at the end of the message.

Regards
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Re: HTML Mail viewing (images)

2001-01-08 Thread Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)

Hello!


Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 12:20:13 AM, Austin Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

AD Do you mean you would like the attachment to automatically appear when you
AD view a message? If so, I emailed a similar suggestion to Ritlabs a few days
AD ago - this was the response:

AD 2. It would be nice if attachments (i.e. images) appeared at the
AD end of the message text, as it does in Outlook Express.
AD [skip]

Oh no... (just IMHO). Please don't pull on an OE's and/or Nescape
Messenger's skins on TB!.

AD These two will be solved when a version with the new editor will be
AD released. We are developing a new message editor/viewer right now - it
AD will behave more "windows-like" and I think it will be possible to
AD view images at the end of a message...

AD "think" is not encouraging, but we can hope.

AD I am now used to pressing CTRL-TAB to cycle through the attachments,
AD but would still prefer them to automatically appear at the end of
^^^
AD the message.

What do you mean by saying that? Do you _really_ want that all that
.html .ra .qt .scr .swf attachments will
render/play/saving-your-screen/etc. upon the message view?


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Re: HTML Mail viewing (images)

2001-01-08 Thread Austin Dennis

Hi

 What do you mean by saying that? Do you _really_ want that all that
 .html .ra .qt .scr .swf attachments will
 render/play/saving-your-screen/etc. upon the message view?

I wouldn't want any other types of attachments to do anything automatically,
but images - yes (perhaps it could be an option though). That's really the
only reason that made me think twice before switching from Outlook Express
(well, that and the editor). No complaints apart from those though - TB wins
hands down.

Austin

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Re[2]: HTML Mail viewing (images)

2001-01-08 Thread Kent Villard (iChef)

Hello Austin,

Monday, January 08, 2001, 6:28:05 PM, you wrote:

AD Hi

 What do you mean by saying that? Do you _really_ want that all that
 .html .ra .qt .scr .swf attachments will
 render/play/saving-your-screen/etc. upon the message view?

I would just like a HTML message to display all of the images :


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Re: Re[2]: HTML Mail viewing (images)

2001-01-08 Thread Austin Dennis

Hi Kent

 I would just like a HTML message to display all of the images :

Me too. :)

Austin

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Re[4]: HTML Mail viewing (images)

2001-01-08 Thread Abigail Marshall

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On Monday, January 08, 2001, 3:17:22 PM, Austin Dennis wrote:


AD Hi Kent

 I would just like a HTML message to display all of the images :

AD Me too. :)

Not me!

If there is to be a change in future releases of TB, PLEASE allow this
to be an option, with the DEFAULT setting being to not download
images.

This is just my preference, but for me it is a main reason that I
switched to TB - I don't have a fast connection, and TB's automatic
rejection of image files speeds up the download time tremendously and
also eliminates pesky banner ads.

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Re: Re[4]: HTML Mail viewing (images)

2001-01-08 Thread Austin Dennis

Hi Abigail

 If there is to be a change in future releases of TB, PLEASE allow this
 to be an option, with the DEFAULT setting being to not download
 images.

 This is just my preference, but for me it is a main reason that I
 switched to TB - I don't have a fast connection, and TB's automatic
 rejection of image files speeds up the download time tremendously and
 also eliminates pesky banner ads.

I didn't realise TB had an option not to download images. But either way,
all I would like to see is an option to automatically display the image as
part of the message (i.e. appended to the end of the message). This is
different from whether or not the image gets downloaded or not.

Regards
Austin

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Re[5]: HTML Mail viewing (images)

2001-01-08 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hello Abigail,

  On Monday, January 08, 2001 16:14:44 -0800 you wrote the
  following in regards to "HTML Mail viewing (images)":

Abigail Not me!

Abigail If there is to be a change in future releases of TB, PLEASE allow this
Abigail to be an option, with the DEFAULT setting being to not download
Abigail images.

  Right on! I'm not interested in the insecurities ;-) of an OE
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DEAD PHOENIX (Was Re: HTML Mail viewing (images))

2001-01-08 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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On 09 January 2001 at 16:14:44 -0800 (which was 00:14 where I
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AD Me too. :)

AM Not me!

This conversation has been Dead Horsed so many times that I can only
roll my eyes as I have to kill it again g.

Of  course  the  newcomers  to  the list haven't necessarily seen it
before,  but the above clips should show how "against the rules" the
conversation quickly becomes.

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Re: HTML Mail viewing (images)

2001-01-08 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hallo Kent,

On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:36:07 -0400 GMT (09/01/2001, 04:36 +0800 GMT),
Kent Villard (iChef) wrote:

Kent I'm sure I missed this somewhere (if I did, please direct to where),
Kent but I was wondering is there a way to get the images to display when
Kent viewing HTML messages?

If the images are sent with the message, they will be shown. If they
are not sent with the message, they will not be downloaded. This is by
design.

There are no intentions to ever change this. Check the archives for
the reasons and why people would uninstall in droves if TB would
suddenly copy this malicious behaviour of Outlook.

You can still double-click on any HTML attachments that contain the
external references, and that would open your browser, which will
download the images as you wish.

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Cheers,
Thomas.

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Re: DEAD PHOENIX (Was Re: HTML Mail viewing (images))

2001-01-08 Thread MartianRover KF6KNC


Hi Marck and TB!ers  :)

   [snip]

MDP This conversation has been Dead Horsed so many times that I can only
MDP roll my eyes as I have to kill it again g.

MDP Of  course  the  newcomers  to  the list haven't necessarily seen it
MDP before,  but the above clips should show how "against the rules" the
MDP conversation quickly becomes.

 What do you mean "Against the Rules"?

 I was wondering about this topic myself.  At first I didn't like
 that TB! didn't show images, but after using it a lot now, I like
 it that way.  Sometimes however, I would like to see the images.
 I think they should have a button or something that I could click
 on to show the images just for that session  (if that makes any
 sense).

 Being that these questions get asked over and over again by new
 comers and such, is there an archive that one could search
 through for an answer before posting to the list?  If not, what
 about setting one up?

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