Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Mary, On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:26:47 -0600 GMT (23/01/03, 02:26 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: > This tower is custom built. Just got it in December. I love having > those USB connectors on the front! It has 120 GB hard drive and 512 > RAM. Pentium 4 chip. The two printers are on internally wired > connections, with on-screen switching. The modem is internal, but I > can get to the phone jack quite easily. BTW I remember you checking for prices and stuff. How much did you end up paying, if I may ask so intrusively? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. "Wenn ich Sie jetzt um Sex bitten wuerde - waere Ihre Antwort die gleiche, die Sie auf diese Frage geben?" Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 5:00 PM, you wrote: G> A final note, printers, scanners and all nonessential equipment should G> not be connected tot the UPS because it drains the battery. You could G> consider connecting your telephone system to the UPS if you have one G> that needs external power (think SOHO) the APC UPSes have 2 types of power to plug into, the UPS protected and just surge protected. Usually 3 of each. -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
ON Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 7:29:32 PM, you wrote: JA> s I mentioned in another post, they sometimes come with small cables JA> to plug into your PC to allow auto-save/shutdown as well... that'd JA> just slip in between steps 4, and 5... and would require a small JA> software install... but nothing complicated. Normally the "quick JA> start" guides cover everything :) All you guys and girls running out to get a UPS the above is something you definitely want on a UPS. A UPS is first and foremost meant to prevent you losing data with brown and black outs. Therefore the PC should close itself down (after the power has been gone for a short while), in a normal and controlled way without losing data, when the power is gone. Remember you might not be there to shut it down manually!! The battery is also not (normally) there to let you work on for extended period. If you want that you will have to pay big bucks and reserve lots of space for the UPS, depending on how long you want to keep on working after the power is gone. A final note, printers, scanners and all nonessential equipment should not be connected tot the UPS because it drains the battery. You could consider connecting your telephone system to the UPS if you have one that needs external power (think SOHO). Price tip: Some companies sell used UPS equipment and there is lot around for good price since the Internet bubble has blown :( Ask for a minimum waranty on the batteries if you buy one used. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Golf humanizes women, humbles their laughty natures, tends, in short, to knock out of their systems a certain modicum of that superciliousness, that swank, which makes wooing a tough proposition for the diffident male.==P.G Wodehouse - THE ROUGH STUFF == Using The Bat! v1.62h on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hi Mary, On 22 Jan 2003 13:03:33 (my local time 11:03:33), Mary Bull wrote (in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) > but presently I don't have my Sony notebook attached to it. If you are using a notebook instead of a desktop, you probably don't need a UPS. -- Regards, Anthony Programs must be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. -- Abelson & Sussman Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
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MB> And protect all my great The Bat! settings and data. Okay, I'm off to
MB> the store, Spike. Thanks again.
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Ok Guys. Wonderful. Mary now knows what a UPS is and is on her way to
get one. You certainly will not regret it Mary. I recommend that
everyone else does the same.
I hope that after 26 messages in an effort to answer Mary's question
of what a UPS is, we can end the discussion here, right? :)
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during discussions are welcome, and which they *still are*. Please keep
your explanations as brief as possible and be mindful of not starting
a full blown off-topic discussion as a result of it. There's always
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Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Spike! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:30 PM, you wrote regarding UPS: < very big snip> S> I guess I have pontificated enough on this, so Mary . . GO GET S> IT!! A 450VA unit should be fine for your use. And protect all my great The Bat! settings and data. Okay, I'm off to the store, Spike. Thanks again. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Spike! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:20 PM, you wrote regarding UPS: P>>> ... the APC Backups Office Pro 350 or 500 is normally under $100. It has a P>>> hot-swappable battery that should last 3-5 years. S> I recommend a change every 2 years, as the gel-cell batteries are S> the same as used in alarm systems. recommended change interval S> in that use is 2 years. Is your data as important as your S> home/office security? Well, certainly, yes. :) MB>> ... a single Desktop, even if it does have two printers and a scanner attached. :) S> Printer?? NEVER hook up a LASER printer to a UPS, as the power S> drain is too high! ... Well, it did say something about that on the APC website. :) S> Inkjets are OK, as they draw less. ... Both these printers are wired internally (inside the tower) to the computer. My switching between them is through software. If the printers are turned off, would that do it? Or should I unplug their power cables from the surge protector device, in case of this (we hope never-happening) power outage? S> ... The less you have connected to the UPS the better. Usually only S> CPU and Monitor. Just what is required to safely close all program S> windows and save files. Then SHUT DOWN! It is also recommended that S> you CYCLE the battery at least once every 6 months to completely S> discharge it (to the point it shuts down the UPS) to keep the S> battery 'active.' ... I see. Again, somewhat like a cell phone battery? S> ... They don't have a 'memory' per se, but they do S> require being exercised. Thanks again, Spike. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 2:08 PM, you wrote: MB> That sounds good. I don't want to be penny-wise and pound-foolish. :) MB> I used APC's on-line "help me choose" link, and they were recommending MB> systems anywere from $500 to $800. I knew, from what Jonathan had MB> said, that those were probably a lot more than I need for a single MB> Desktop, even if it does have two printers and a scanner attached. :) MB> Any more advice, Paul? you only need a Backups Office 350 or 500. You just plug the printers into the SURGE protected ports on the APC. The APC has UPS protected slots for the CPU and Monitor, and the rest are SURGE protected slots, for printers, scanners... that way, when the power goes out, you are only draining the battery for the CPU and monitor. as Spike said, don't forget to open the UPS and plug the battery in... -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Jonathan! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:18 PM, you wrote regarding UPS: P>>> charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I P>>> think? MB>> Like a cell phone battery, except this is stand-alone? J> The difference between a cell-phone battery and a UPS battery is that J> the UPS battery isn't in use while their is power. So it *should* be J> charging while you use it. That is why I don't think I needed to J> charge mine. I see. P>>> you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to P>>> automatically powre down the PC in case of an extended power P>>> outage. MB>> I have two USB connections on the front of my computer. J> The one I have uses a serial connection instead of a USB. I don't use J> it personally, doesn't work with my Operating System :) As I just wrote to Paul, I do have a serial connection, on the back of my tower. It presently has my serial cable for my Kodak DC210 camera attached. Those nine-pin connectors are the very dickens for my arthritic old hands to deal with! I really prefer to leave that as is! :) I am waiting just a little longer for more ideas, but by 2:00 p.m. I'm going to be out of here! It's about a ten-minute drive to the mall with those supply stores. Thanks again for all your help. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Lost folders and message
Hello Jonathan Angliss, On or about Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 13:23:45GMT -0600 (which was 2:23 PM in the tropics where I live) Jonathan Angliss responded: >> Uninterruptible Power Supply [UPS] >> Checklist to hook it up! JA>>> 3. Plug in UPS >>3a. Allow the battery to be charged for AT LEAST 24 hours! >>Failure to do this is a major cause of SHORT BATTERY LIFE >>throughout the life of the UPS [RTFM] JA> Never had that in mine, even the big guide didn't say JA> anything about charging. I guess that could be because of the JA> way it works, ie, the power being drawn from the main line JA> instead of through the battery, while the battery is charged JA> during usage. Ah, but there is a chance of a storm (imminently) cutting power where Mary is, so I guess she must hope there is sufficient time to charge before that happens! We shall see. The battery charges at the same rate whether the UPS is being used or not, so it really doesn't matter UNLESS there is a failure SOON :-) Some of the LARGER UPS systems operate on the inverter (connverts the battery DC 12V to AC 120V) at all times, so that there is NO delay in switching over to backup power. There is a relay that switches over (in milliseconds) in the smaller units. The delay is not noticed by most systems, but larger power-hungry server banks might be adversely affected. I guess I have pontificated enough on this, so Mary . . GO GET IT!! A 450VA unit should be fine for your use. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike "Against boredom, even the gods labor in vain." -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Paul! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:14 PM, you wrote regarding USP: < snip > MB>> I have two USB connections on the front of my computer. One currently MB>> has the scanner attached. My two printers are attached internally to MB>> the computer, with on-screen switching. The phone connector to the MB>> internal modem is also on the back of the tower. And that's all the MB>> peripherals. I do have an ethernet cable, but presently I don't have MB>> my Sony notebook attached to it. P> ahh, the phone connector will also go through the UPS. unplug the phone P> from the PC, plug it into the UPS where it says to, then there is P> another phone cable with the UPS that goes to the PC. Saves lightening P> strikes from frying your modem!! Thanks!! Glad I asked.! P> you probably have 2 USB connections on the BACK of your PC, I know they P> aren't easy to get to ;) No, they're on the front. All my USB connections (two--I asked for four, and somehow the techs didn't pay attention, plus a serial port for my old Kodak DC210 camera cable--that's on the back) are on the front. This tower is custom built. Just got it in December. I love having those USB connectors on the front! It has 120 GB hard drive and 512 RAM. Pentium 4 chip. The two printers are on internally wired connections, with on-screen switching. The modem is internal, but I can get to the phone jack quite easily. Any more thoughts! You can't know how much I appreciate this! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Spike wrote... > Uninterruptible Power Supply [UPS] > Checklist to hook it up! JA>> 1. Shut down PC JA>> 2. Unplug PC >2a. CONNECT THE INTERNAL BATTERY. They are shipped now with >the battery disconnected due to new shipping safety >regulations. Ahh yes... I forgot about that one... thanks... :) JA>> 3. Plug in UPS >3a. Allow the battery to be charged for AT LEAST 24 hours! >Failure to do this is a major cause of SHORT BATTERY LIFE >throughout the life of the UPS [RTFM] Never had that in mine, even the big guide didn't say anything about charging. I guess that could be because of the way it works, ie, the power being drawn from the main line instead of through the batter, while the battery is charged during usage. JA>> 4. Plug in PC to UPS >4a. Install the monitoring software (Follow instructions or >RTFM!). >4b. Connect the data cable (DB9 - RS232 or USB) first [RTFM!] Not all have those, so these could be skipped. Plus if your OS doesn't support them, no point trying to get them to work ;) JA>> 5. Switch on UPS JA>> 6. Switch on PC JA>> Normally the "quick start" guides cover everything :) > Always RTFM (Read The F[insert your favorite adjective here!] > manual!) before using anything that deals with AC power. As goes for almost anything. The reason companies do the quick starts is to make it easier. The manual itself contains more technical data for their usage, or at least was for my case anyway, also the manual contains troubleshooting, while the quick start was... how to get started. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7vySuD6BT4/R9zEQLbHgCgxX0Rm7/wIOFIu/1W0nO9Su5PmXgAnib7 jlruJmWtvFZcC80AqWC+Z00a =gKvT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Lost folders and message
Hello Mary Bull, On or about Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 13:08:47GMT -0600 (which was 2:08 PM in the tropics where I live) Mary Bull expressed: P>> ... the APC Backups Office Pro 350 or 500 is normally under $100. It has a P>> hot-swappable battery that should last 3-5 years. I recommend a change every 2 years, as the gel-cell batteries are the same as used in alarm systems. recommended change interval in that use is 2 years. Is your data as important as your home/office security? MB> That sounds good. I don't want to be penny-wise and pound-foolish. :) MB> I used APC's on-line "help me choose" link, and they were recommending MB> systems anywere from $500 to $800. I knew, from what Jonathan had MB> said, that those were probably a lot more than I need for a single MB> Desktop, even if it does have two printers and a scanner attached. :) Printer?? NEVER hook up a LASER printer to a UPS, as the power drain is too high! Inkjets are OK, as they draw less. The less you have connected to the UPS the better. Usually only CPU and Monitor. Just what is required to safely close all program windows and save files. Then SHUT DOWN! It is also recommended that you CYCLE the battery at least once every 6 months to completely discharge it (to the point it shuts down the UPS) to keep the battery 'active.' They don't have a 'memory' per se, but they do require being exercised. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike "The cigarette does the smoking, YOU'RE just the sucker!!" -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Spike! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:07 PM, you wrote: S> Hello Jonathan Angliss, S> Uninterruptible Power Supply [UPS] S> Checklist to hook it up! JA>> 1. Shut down PC JA>> 2. Unplug PC S>2a. CONNECT THE INTERNAL BATTERY. They are shipped now with S>the battery disconnected due to new shipping safety S>regulations. S>I've found a total of 26 of these so far this month, S>running without the batteries connected, and the warning S>in the interface software (if installed) DISABLED! This S>is a serious issue, and should be addressed. JA>> 3. Plug in UPS S>3a. Allow the battery to be charged for AT LEAST 24 hours! S>Failure to do this is a major cause of SHORT BATTERY LIFE S>throughout the life of the UPS [RTFM] JA>> 4. Plug in PC to UPS S>4a. Install the monitoring software (Follow instructions or S>RTFM!). S>4b. Connect the data cable (DB9 - RS232 or USB) first [RTFM!] JA>> 5. Switch on UPS JA>> 6. Switch on PC JA>> Normally the "quick start" guides cover everything :) S> Always RTFM (Read The F[insert your favorite adjective here!] S> manual!) before using anything that deals with AC power. Fearless Fosdick manual okay? Spike, within the next half hour I am off to buy one of these things. It's already clouding over and I expect it to be spitting snow before long. :) So, any more ideas before I leave you? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Mary Bull wrote... MB ... hope I can figure out how to hook it up! JA>>> 1. Shut down PC JA>>> 2. Unplug PC JA>>> 3. Plug in UPS P>> charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I P>> think? > Like a cell phone battery, except this is stand-alone? The difference between a cell-phone battery and a UPS battery is that the UPS battery isn't in use while their is power. So it *should* be charging while you use it. That is why I don't think I needed to charge mine. P>> you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to P>> automatically powre down the PC in case of an extended power P>> outage. > I have two USB connections on the front of my computer. The one I have uses a serial connection instead of a USB. I don't use it personally, doesn't work with my Operating System :) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7ueiuD6BT4/R9zEQKkCgCfSFA9wjTYRLrS5rSaBsrnentuMCcAn0u3 /4lxQiGRFVEtav32l/y1YQBr =z+DP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 2:03 PM, you wrote: JA>>> 1. Shut down PC JA>>> 2. Unplug PC JA>>> 3. Plug in UPS P>> charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I P>> think? yes, you plug in the UPS to the A/C outlet and let it charge up. Then you can plug in the PC. MB> Like a cell phone battery, except this is stand-alone? JA>>> 4. Plug in PC to UPS JA>>> 5. Switch on UPS JA>>> 6. Switch on PC P>> you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to automatically P>> powre down the PC in case of an extended power outage. MB> I have two USB connections on the front of my computer. One currently MB> has the scanner attached. My two printers are attached internally to MB> the computer, with on-screen switching. The phone connector to the MB> internal modem is also on the back of the tower. And that's all the MB> peripherals. I do have an ethernet cable, but presently I don't have MB> my Sony notebook attached to it. ahh, the phone connector will also go through the UPS. unplug the phone from the PC, plug it into the UPS where it says to, then there is another phone cable with the UPS that goes to the PC. Saves lightening strikes from frying your modem!! you probably have 2 USB connections on the BACK of your PC, I know they aren't easy to get to ;) -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Jonathan! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:06 PM, you wrote: J> On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Paul Cartwright wrote... JA>>> 1. Shut down PC JA>>> 2. Unplug PC JA>>> 3. Plug in UPS PC>> charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I PC>> think? J> Mine didn't require it... :) Okay, maybe mine won't, either. JA>>> 4. Plug in PC to UPS JA>>> 5. Switch on UPS JA>>> 6. Switch on PC PC>> you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to PC>> automatically powre down the PC in case of an extended power outage. J> I think I mentioned that didn't I? You did, indeed. :) It's starting to cloud over. I think I may go shopping in just a sec, not to get caught out on slippery streets. :) Thanks again for all the help, Jonathan. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Paul! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 12:55 PM, you wrote regarding UPS: < snip > P> ... the APC Backups Office Pro 350 or 500 is normally under $100. It has a P> hot-swappable battery that should last 3-5 years. That sounds good. I don't want to be penny-wise and pound-foolish. :) I used APC's on-line "help me choose" link, and they were recommending systems anywere from $500 to $800. I knew, from what Jonathan had said, that those were probably a lot more than I need for a single Desktop, even if it does have two printers and a scanner attached. :) Any more advice, Paul? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Lost folders and message
Hello Jonathan Angliss, On or about Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 12:29:32GMT -0600 (which was 1:29 PM in the tropics where I live) Jonathan Angliss ruminated: Uninterruptible Power Supply [UPS] Checklist to hook it up! JA> 1. Shut down PC JA> 2. Unplug PC 2a. CONNECT THE INTERNAL BATTERY. They are shipped now with the battery disconnected due to new shipping safety regulations. I've found a total of 26 of these so far this month, running without the batteries connected, and the warning in the interface software (if installed) DISABLED! This is a serious issue, and should be addressed. JA> 3. Plug in UPS 3a. Allow the battery to be charged for AT LEAST 24 hours! Failure to do this is a major cause of SHORT BATTERY LIFE throughout the life of the UPS [RTFM] JA> 4. Plug in PC to UPS 4a. Install the monitoring software (Follow instructions or RTFM!). 4b. Connect the data cable (DB9 - RS232 or USB) first [RTFM!] JA> 5. Switch on UPS JA> 6. Switch on PC JA> Normally the "quick start" guides cover everything :) Always RTFM (Read The F[insert your favorite adjective here!] manual!) before using anything that deals with AC power. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike "Spel chequers dew knot wurk write." -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Paul Cartwright wrote... JA>> 1. Shut down PC JA>> 2. Unplug PC JA>> 3. Plug in UPS > charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I > think? Mine didn't require it... :) JA>> 4. Plug in PC to UPS JA>> 5. Switch on UPS JA>> 6. Switch on PC > you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to > automatically powre down the PC in case of an extended power outage. I think I mentioned that didn't I? - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7rtCuD6BT4/R9zEQIGswCfduxMM8MT2bWEz43L9qWRlcVkJ6MAoIgf 9dwWtOop/Kf6xfpGeuSj1wMk =RMSO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Paul! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 12:53 PM, you wrote, regarding UPS: MB>>> ... hope I can figure out how to hook it up! JA>> 1. Shut down PC JA>> 2. Unplug PC JA>> 3. Plug in UPS P> charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I P> think? Like a cell phone battery, except this is stand-alone? JA>> 4. Plug in PC to UPS JA>> 5. Switch on UPS JA>> 6. Switch on PC P> you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to automatically P> powre down the PC in case of an extended power outage. I have two USB connections on the front of my computer. One currently has the scanner attached. My two printers are attached internally to the computer, with on-screen switching. The phone connector to the internal modem is also on the back of the tower. And that's all the peripherals. I do have an ethernet cable, but presently I don't have my Sony notebook attached to it. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 12:56 PM, you wrote: MB> Okay, we have a local Best Buy. I just looked at APC and they were MB> offering me, mail-order, some fairly attractive-looking but expensive MB> solutions. But we have another snowstorm on its way later this MB> evening. I may take a run out to Best Buy and look, in a minute. the APC Backups Office Pro 350 or 500 is normally under $100. It has a hot-swappable battery that should last 3-5 years. -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:29 PM, you wrote: R>>> Uninterrupted Power Supply. Compare it with a battery that keeps R>>> the power up long enough to enable to shut the computer down. >> Thanks, Roelof. I'm off to get one--hope I can figure out how to >> hook it up! JA> 1. Shut down PC JA> 2. Unplug PC JA> 3. Plug in UPS charge UPS before plugging anything into it.. Normally 6-12 hours I think? JA> 4. Plug in PC to UPS JA> 5. Switch on UPS JA> 6. Switch on PC you can also connect a USB cable from the UPS to the PC to automatically powre down the PC in case of an extended power outage. -- Paul Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Jonathan! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 12:29 PM, you wrote, regarding UPS: R>>> Uninterrupted Power Supply. Compare it with a battery that keeps R>>> the power up long enough to enable to shut the computer down. MB>> Thanks, Roelof. I'm off to get one--hope I can figure out how to MB>> hook it up! J> 1. Shut down PC J> 2. Unplug PC J> 3. Plug in UPS J> 4. Plug in PC to UPS J> 5. Switch on UPS J> 6. Switch on PC I'm parking and flagging this, and printing it out! Thanks so very much!! J> As I mentioned in another post, they sometimes come with small cables J> to plug into your PC to allow auto-save/shutdown as well... that'd J> just slip in between steps 4, and 5... and would require a small J> software install... but nothing complicated. Normally the "quick J> start" guides cover everything :) I just got a HP Scanjet working last week, with a little on-line guidance from a friend. Surely I can deal with this! If not, I know where to ask. Thanks, Jonathan. Blow a kiss to Texas for me--it's my native soil. Missing it up here in cold Kentucky right now. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello Jonathan! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 12:27 PM, you wrote, regarding UPS: J> I've found with APC, Office Depot often has them on special deals, J> which is always useful. Office Depot is right next door to Best Buy here. :) J>>> ... any place that sells electrical goodies :) < snip > J> ... I think I got mine from Office Depot. I'm not sure if Home Depot J> would have them, but Office Depot, and Staples certainly do. Well, Staples is right next door to Barnes and Noble, just about my favorite place in town. Great coffee. Great books. :) Here goes Mary off topic again! :) But I think protecting The Bat! and its data probably is on-topic. So thanks for all this great information and support. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Mary Bull wrote... R>> Uninterrupted Power Supply. Compare it with a battery that keeps R>> the power up long enough to enable to shut the computer down. > Thanks, Roelof. I'm off to get one--hope I can figure out how to > hook it up! 1. Shut down PC 2. Unplug PC 3. Plug in UPS 4. Plug in PC to UPS 5. Switch on UPS 6. Switch on PC As I mentioned in another post, they sometimes come with small cables to plug into your PC to allow auto-save/shutdown as well... that'd just slip in between steps 4, and 5... and would require a small software install... but nothing complicated. Normally the "quick start" guides cover everything :) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7jDyuD6BT4/R9zEQJ8rgCfXMKU+SXtb2qZvvXBxgvAOVXqQ7kAoNkk IUlyaPDE0Twcn3qOgTyfgyr2 =Zbp/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Mary Bull wrote... J>> CompUSA, Circuit City, Fries, Best Buy, ... > Okay, we have a local Best Buy. I just looked at APC and they were > offering me, mail-order, some fairly attractive-looking but > expensive solutions. I've found with APC, Office Depot often has them on special deals, which is always useful. J>> ... any place that sells electrical goodies :) > So--Office Depot, Staples Office Supply, Home Depot? We have all these > locally, in addition to Best Buy. Yup, I think I got mine from Office Depot. I'm not sure if Home Depot would have them, but Office Depot, and Staples certainly do. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7isCuD6BT4/R9zEQIcJACg5hinteS3Di2KtPCsJ02QHAGLeZ0AoLDv 1lV0a2bBIsAf84+8GaCy82aa =FKDQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Roelof! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 11:41 AM, you wrote: MB>> What is a UPS, please? R> Uninterrupted Power Supply. Compare it with a battery that keeps R> the power up long enough to enable to shut the computer down. Thanks, Roelof. I'm off to get one--hope I can figure out how to hook it up! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jonathan! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 11:35 AM, you wrote: MB>> What is a UPS, please? J> Uninterrupted Power Supply... a battery that charges itself while you J> it has power, and when the power goes out, it is what gives you the J> power until the power supply comes back up. Or at least it gives you J> enough to hit that save button ;) J>>> They aren't even that expensive. Even a 5 minute backup would save J>>> you a lot of trouble :) MB>> And where do you buy them--in the USA--and what are some good brands MB>> and how do you hook them up to the computer? J> CompUSA, Circuit City, Fries, Best Buy, ... Okay, we have a local Best Buy. I just looked at APC and they were offering me, mail-order, some fairly attractive-looking but expensive solutions. But we have another snowstorm on its way later this evening. I may take a run out to Best Buy and look, in a minute. I have a topnotch surge protector in-place. But data-saving isn't its thing. :) J> ... any place that sells J> electrical goodies :) So--Office Depot, Staples Office Supply, Home Depot? We have all these locally, in addition to Best Buy. J> ... I use APC at home, and some large industrial ones at work. The J> APC one runs for me just fine, with a 30min backup, it has saved me J> plenty of times. Also if you're running windows, most UPS systems J> provide a cable to allow you to get the UPS to shut your PC down J> for you automatically on detection of a power outage, after X mins J> (usually configurable). ... That would be great. I'm running WinXP. J> ... I think you can pick up a fairly reasonable one for about J> $30-50, that'll give you 10 mins backup. Should be plenty of time. Thanks a bunch! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hallo Mary, On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:16:16 -0600GMT (22-1-03, 18:16 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: S>>> [..] you should invest in a small UPS to provide safety in those S>>> cases. There's no substitute for proper power protection. MB> What is a UPS, please? Uninterrupted Power Supply. Compare it with a battery that keeps the power up long enough to enable to shut the computer down. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Mary Bull wrote... j The only thing I could report was a power cut yesterday [..] S>>> [..] you should invest in a small UPS to provide safety in those S>>> cases. There's no substitute for proper power protection. > What is a UPS, please? Uninterrupted Power Supply... a battery that charges itself while you it has power, and when the power goes out, it is what gives you the power until the power supply comes back up. Or at least it gives you enough to hit that save button ;) J>> They aren't even that expensive. Even a 5 minute backup would save J>> you a lot of trouble :) > And where do you buy them--in the USA--and what are some good brands > and how do you hook them up to the computer? CompUSA, Circuit City, Fries, Best Buy, any place that sells electrical goodies :) I use APC at home, and some large industrial ones at work. The APC one runs for me just fine, with a 30min backup, it has saved me plenty of times. Also if you're running windows, most UPS systems provide a cable to allow you to get the UPS to shut your PC down for you automatically on detection of a power outage, after X mins (usually configurable). I think you can pick up a fairly reasonable one for about $30-50, that'll give you 10 mins backup. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7WgSuD6BT4/R9zEQK9CQCgmESNOOJ0rH/osowd0RQfcndjZ0AAmwUA O6YMUUyhDDrR2tJjGxwQLll0 =2Ay5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Miguel! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 11:26 AM, you wrote: M> Hello Mary, >> What is a UPS, please? M> Uninterrupted Power Supply (a rechargeable battery. >> And where do you buy them--in the USA--and what are some good brands >> and how do you hook them up to the computer? M> APC - American Power Conversion, www.apcc.com. The best. Off to get one, now. Another snowstorm is on its way here, tonight. :) Thanks, Miguel. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Mary, > What is a UPS, please? Uninterrupted Power Supply (a rechargeable battery. > And where do you buy them--in the USA--and what are some good brands > and how do you hook them up to the computer? APC - American Power Conversion, www.apcc.com. The best. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Jonathan! And Spike! On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 11:10 AM, you wrote: j>>> The only thing I could report was a power cut yesterday [..] S>> [..] you should invest in a small UPS to provide safety in those S>> cases. There's no substitute for proper power protection. What is a UPS, please? J> They aren't even that expensive. Even a 5 minute backup would save you J> a lot of trouble :) And where do you buy them--in the USA--and what are some good brands and how do you hook them up to the computer? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, Spike wrote... j>> This morning I had the bad surprise of seeing that for an account j>> some folders were not seen in TheBat! anymore, they are still on j>> the disk though. > See below. If the folder is missing, you want to use the CTRL SHIFT ALT L key combination to force TB to research it's MAIL/ structure. j>> For another account messages between January the 21st up to j>> December the 9th were all gone (older messages are still there). I j>> noticed that all attachments are still on the disk. > 1. Exit TB! > 2. BACK UP the MESSAGES.TBI files of the affected folders. I think you missed a step... you forgot to say either rename or delete the messages.tbi didn't you? :) j>> The only thing I could report was a power cut yesterday [..] > [..] you should invest in a small UPS to provide safety in those > cases. There's no substitute for proper power protection. They aren't even that expensive. Even a 5 minute backup would save you a lot of trouble :) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBPi7QniuD6BT4/R9zEQKyGwCg2WeD9OK59T5ou95lWs6CAFC1YtgAoLOk xBTpQDpvjsx1ojVDO135YAVm =P2Mm -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Spike, Wednesday, January 22, 2003, 1:05:53 PM, you wrote: j>> I tried it but it didn't rebuild the messages. S> FRACK! For the sequence of missing messages, did you try to use; S> Folder->Browse Deleted Messages? S> Try the same thing in the TRASH folder, unless you have S> compressed that folder since the loss ;-( I reckon I'll have to give up on this one. No deleted messages found and TheBat compresses my files on each exit. At least attached documents are still there. I guess I'll to have to write down 1000 times: I shall backup my data every day. j>> Also there is the problem of folder which are gone and which j>> are not appearing anymore. S> Are the folders just not appearing in the account window, or is S> there no folder(s) in the mail directory under S> \Program Files\The Bat!\Mail\?? S> If the folders are there (on the drive), use CTRL-SHFT-ALT-L to S> have TB search for and re-list the 'lost' folders. j>> I don't see any .tbi file at account level to do that. The key combinations did the trick, folders are back - Thanks, Jean-Luc www.corobori.com ICQ: 48338941 MSN Messenger: Corobori Fono: +56 (41) 74 83 39 Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hallo jeanluc, On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:32:09 -0700GMT (22-1-03, 16:32 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: j> Also there is the problem of folder which are gone and which are j> not appearing anymore. Select the account-tree and press Ctrl-Shift-Alt-L This searches for lost folders. I'm afraid the connection between your attachments and their messages is forever gone. That's the reason that store my attachments in the message body. That's also the reason that you shouldn't drink tea behind the computer. Chocolate and coffee are alright, but tea is no good. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Lost folders and message
Hello jeanluc , On or about Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 08:32:09GMT -0700 (which was 10:32 AM in the tropics where I live) jeanluc responded: j> I tried it but it didn't rebuild the messages. FRACK! For the sequence of missing messages, did you try to use; Folder->Browse Deleted Messages? Try the same thing in the TRASH folder, unless you have compressed that folder since the loss ;-( j> Also there is the problem of folder which are gone and which j> are not appearing anymore. Are the folders just not appearing in the account window, or is there no folder(s) in the mail directory under \Program Files\The Bat!\Mail\?? If the folders are there (on the drive), use CTRL-SHFT-ALT-L to have TB search for and re-list the 'lost' folders. j> I don't see any .tbi file at account level to do that. When I said "back up,' the best thing to do is (when EXITED from TB!) rename the file(s) [in the folders that don't show up in TB!] to MESSAGES.BAK. Must make note to self - be more careful with beverages around my computer! -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike "When you smell an odorless gas, it is probably carbon monoxide." -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
I tried it but it didn't rebuild the messages. Also there is the problem of folder which are gone and which are not appearing anymore. I don't see any .tbi file at account level to do that. jean-luc Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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>I should say here that due to the complexity of current O/S, >and their inherent >susceptibility to lost data in power >drops, you should invest in a small UPS to >provide safety in >those cases. >There's no substitute for proper power protection. Hm, Actually I have a small UPS. The power cut was indeed I jumping to power off my PC after having spilled my tea all over the place ! jean-luc Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost folders and message
Hello jeanluc , On or about Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 07:36:55GMT -0700 (which was 9:36 AM in the tropics where I live) jeanluc inquired: j> This morning I had the bad surprise of seeing that for an account some folders were not seen in TheBat! anymore, they are still on the disk though. See below. j> For another account messages between January the 21st up to December the 9th were all gone (older messages are still there). I noticed that all attachments are still on the disk. 1. Exit TB! 2. BACK UP the MESSAGES.TBI files of the affected folders. 3. Restart TB, and it will re-create these files, and should find the lost messages. This is the most tried and true method for correcting this problem. j> The only thing I could report was a power cut yesterday after which TheBat strangely enough started to download older mail from the server (I keep a copy of them for 5 days). I should say here that due to the complexity of current O/S, and their inherent susceptibility to lost data in power drops, you should invest in a small UPS to provide safety in those cases. There's no substitute for proper power protection. j> I am a bit at lost. Is there a way I could recover the reference to those messages and folder ? Oh, and speaking of long unwrapped lines . . . . :-) -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike "The future isn't what it used to be." -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Against HTML Mail \ / If it aint a webpage it shouldn't be HTML. XSay NO! to bloatmail - ban HTML mail! / \ Ask Spikey, he hates everything (HTML). -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 -- Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Lost folders and message
This morning I had the bad surprise of seeing that for an account some folders were not seen in TheBat! anymore, they are still on the disk though. For another account messages between January the 21st up to December the 9th were all gone (older messages are still there). I noticed that all attachments are still on the disk. The only thing I could report was a power cut yesterday after which TheBat strangely enough started to download older mail from the server (I keep a copy of them for 5 days). I am a bit at lost. Is there a way I could recover the reference to those messages and folder ? jean-luc Current version is 1.62 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
