Moving parked messages

[Ming-Li]

Hello All,

When moving a parked message manually, TB, after asking for
confirmation, moves and unparks it. Doing the same thing with a
filter (either manual or auto), TB *copy* it along with its status
(parked), and the original is left in the original folder (also
parked).

I guess this is a feature, not a bug, for it has been like this as I
can remember and no one has complained about it (since I joined). I
still can't understand the logic or the merit of this design,
though.

I re-organize my folders from time to time, and I move messages from
active mail lists (like this one) to an archive folder regularly.
When I move a parked message, I want it moved with the "parked"
status intact, because I've been using the "park" function as I use
the "keep" function in Forte Agent, which basically means "don't
delete this message". It doesn't matter what folder it's in, I don't
want to kill it accidentally. Losing the "parked" status when moving
is therefore killing me.

I also fail to see why moving a parked message manually and with a
filter are implemented differently.

Could someone enlighten me on this issue?

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Re: Moving parked messages

[Volker Ahrendt]

[Reply to: »Stuart Cuddy« · 2008-03-18 · 21:50 h (CET)]

Moin, Stuart!

> I am with you on this one. It is often very difficult to find the
> parked message once you move it. I would also support the wish you
> are going to file. ;)

So you really think that I should make even more "friends" on TBBeta
Mailing List as I did in the past? ;-)

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WAS: moving parked messages

[Luc]

 Good evening list,

 First of all, tnx to all those who replied to my question.

 I must admit, i think it's not so much as a bug but more a "glitch"
 in the way the developers conceived the "parking" method.

 It makes sense to have messages being able to be parked when they
 arrive in your mailbox. But probably the designers overlooked the
 fact that users sometimes manually want to move parked messages and
 keep them parked.

 The way i go around this for the time being is that i mark them as
 unread and move them. That way i easily find them back and
 "shortcut" them as parked and read.
 
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Re: Moving parked messages

[MFPA]

Hi

On Tuesday 18 March 2008 at 9:24:12 PM, in
, Volker Ahrendt wrote:


> So you really think that I should make even more "friends" on TBBeta
> Mailing List as I did in the past? ;-)

I thought he was referring to filing a wish on Bug Tracker
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/

It had never occurred to me that when you moved the parked message to
another folder, it would not be parked there. If I move my parked
car to another location, it is then parked in a new place.

Perhaps the pop-up could/should have a checkbox option to re-park
the messages after moving them.
 
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Re: Moving parked messages

[Luc]

Good evening MFPA,  
  
It was foretold that on 18/03/2008 @ 00:46:38 GMT+ (which was
21:46:38 where I live) MFPA would write:



M> I thought he was referring to filing a wish on Bug Tracker
M> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/

Done as we speak :-)
 
 
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Re: Moving parked messages

[Volker Ahrendt]

[Reply to: »George Mitchell« · 2008-03-19 · 07:30 h (CET)]

Moin, George!

>>> Why should I not move parked messages and keep the "Parked" flag?

>> You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It
>> would be like having a door locked and open it the same time.

> I think what people, myself included, are looking for is something
> like the Agent newsreader's Keep flag which just prevents against
> accidental deletion/purging. Just because I want to protect a
> message doesn't mean I don't want to organize it. The Park flag is
> especially ill-suited for this as currently implemented.

+1

I could not have said this better myself. :-)

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Re: Moving parked messages

[Volker Ahrendt]

[Reply to: »MFPA« · 2008-03-19 · 01:46 h (CET)]

Moin, MFPA!

>> So you really think that I should make even more "friends" on
>> TBBeta Mailing List as I did in the past? ;-)

> I thought he was referring to filing a wish on Bug Tracker
> https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/

I know that. I am just referring to the reaction on TBBeta Mailing
List regarding some wishes or bugs: "Rejected! It works as designed,
because it has been always that way and the developpers wanted it that
way! No need for further discussion! Basta!" :-/

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Re: Moving parked messages

[Luc]

Good morning MFPA,  
  
It was foretold that on 18/03/2008 @ 00:46:38 GMT+ (which was
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M> Perhaps the pop-up could/should have a checkbox option to re-park
M> the messages after moving them.

Excellent idea IMHO

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Re: Moving parked messages

[Doug Weller]

Hi Volker,


Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 8:17:55 AM, you wrote:

> [Reply to: »George Mitchell« · 2008-03-19 · 07:30 h (CET)]

> Moin, George!

 Why should I not move parked messages and keep the "Parked" flag?

>>> You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It
>>> would be like having a door locked and open it the same time.

>> I think what people, myself included, are looking for is something
>> like the Agent newsreader's Keep flag which just prevents against
>> accidental deletion/purging. Just because I want to protect a
>> message doesn't mean I don't want to organize it. The Park flag is
>> especially ill-suited for this as currently implemented.

> +1

> I could not have said this better myself. :-)

Agreed. This is a major pain for me.  I want to be able to protect a
message against deletion and then organise it the way I want to
organise it.

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Re: Moving parked messages

[Volker Ahrendt]

[Reply to: »Luc« · 2008-03-19 · 22:30 h (CET)]

Moin, Luc!

> MM> If someone makes a wish about this feature, I will support it.

> I filed a bug report... although it might be a wish for most 

Leave comments here: 

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Re: Moving parked messages

[Luc]

Good afternoon Volker,  
  
It was foretold that on 20/03/2008 @ 16:13:01 GMT+0100 (which was
12:13:01 where I live) Volker Ahrendt would write:



VA> Leave comments here:

Great... done as we speak.

After all:

I'f i'm correct, when you flag a message and move it to another folder
the  "flagged"  status  is preserved. The same should be possible with
parked messages.
 
 
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Re: Moving parked messages

[Chuck Mattsen]

On Monday, July 31, 2000 at 8:26 AM or thereabouts, Ming-Li wrote the
following about Moving parked messages:

Ming-Li> I guess this is a feature, not a bug, for it has been like
Ming-Li> this as I can remember and no one has complained about it
Ming-Li> (since I joined). I still can't understand the logic or the
Ming-Li> merit of this design, though.

Ming-Li> I re-organize my folders from time to time, and I move
Ming-Li> messages from active mail lists (like this one) to an archive
Ming-Li> folder regularly. When I move a parked message, I want it
Ming-Li> moved with the "parked" status intact, because I've been
Ming-Li> using the "park" function as I use the "keep" function in
Ming-Li> Forte Agent, which basically means "don't delete this
Ming-Li> message". It doesn't matter what folder it's in, I don't want
Ming-Li> to kill it accidentally. Losing the "parked" status when
Ming-Li> moving is therefore killing me.

This was discussed way back, shortly after the Park feature was
introduced, I think ... I'm with you.  If I park a message, to me it
means "don't delete," not "don't move from this folder without a
prompt asking if I really want to do it."

As incoming mail arrives, I may want to designate a message as "a
keeper" and will park it.  When it comes time to archive my messages,
moving the message removes the park indicator, and that means it will
eventually be deleted by the message aging capabilities of TB!, unless
I then go into the archive folder and manually re-park what I don't
want to disappear.

IMO, very awkward.  To me "park" is a misnomer for the intent of the
function; "keep" would be more like it, and then it should be
"sticky," not disappear upon moving the message.

But, I fear we may be in the minority here.

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Re: Moving parked messages

[Fred Weissman]

CM>> IMO, very awkward.  To me "park" is a misnomer for the intent of the
CM>> function; "keep" would be more like it, and then it should be
CM>> "sticky," not disappear upon moving the message.

CM>> But, I fear we may be in the minority here.

> As someone who has been losing hair over this for a while now, it's
> nice to know that there's at least two others with the same point of
> view :)

> Personally, I'd love to see an option to move (or Copy)  Parked messages with a
> filter, and _keep_ them Parked (i.e. "kept" ala Agent) once they have
> been filtered to their destination.

Make it -four- users who'd like to see this implemented.

The silent majority is starting to make noise.   :-)


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Re: Moving parked messages

[Chuck Mattsen]

On Monday, July 31, 2000 at 10:40 AM or thereabouts, Katsmeow wrote
the following about Moving parked messages:

Katsmeow> Oh as a new user of a few weeks standing I have been
Katsmeow> using Parked to mean kept and moving the parked messages. I
Katsmeow> had no idea...until now..that they lost their parked status
Katsmeow> on moving. What a PITA. It would seem fairly obvious to me
Katsmeow> that in a program with so many filtering capabilities and
Katsmeow> such that people would have multiple folder and might well
Katsmeow> want to move Parked messages without having to go into the
Katsmeow> new folder and Park them again. I think this is a
Katsmeow> significant flaw.

Very interesting ... I said that I thought this wish was one of the
minority wishes because, as I recall, it didn't meet with broad
agreement when it was introduced for discussion many, many months ago;
perhaps the broader user base has allowed for a change.  I dunno.

But I really wish this would change, yes.  :-)  Either that, or allow
for a secondary "don't delete" aspect of the folder properties, i.e.,
delete messages older than 30 (or whatever) days UNLESS they are
color-coded in a certain way, or flagged in a certain way.  I'm not
locked into using the parked feature ... I just want to be able to
designate a message as a "keeper" and have it retain that status after
being moved.

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Re: Moving parked messages

[Curtis]

On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:40:38 -0500, Katsmeow wrote:

K> Oh as a new user of a few weeks standing I have been using Parked
K> to mean kept and moving the parked messages. I had no idea...until
K> now..that they lost their parked status on moving.  What a PITA.  It
K> would seem fairly obvious to me that in a program with so many
K> filtering capabilities and such that people would have multiple
K> folder and might well want to move Parked messages without having to
K> go into the new folder and Park them again.  I think this is a
K> significant flaw.

My issue is with the practicality of the feature rather than how
it's implemented. It's implemented in a logical fashion considering what
the developers have designated 'parking' as meaning. If you park a
message, you have rendered it *both* non-deletable or unmovable. If you
chose to move a parked message, then you have unparked it by your
action, since by definition parked messages cannot be moved. ;-) I
therefore don't see how one complain that their 'parked' messages that
have been moved are no longer parked.

As with all else who have contributed to this thread, I very
much would prefer a 'keep' feature which I personally find more
applicable to more situations. Most often, I simply wish to make a
message undeletable but am not too concerned about not moving it, unless
read or replied filters would normally move the message if not parked.

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Re: Moving parked messages

[Patrick Linskey]

Hi TBUDL,

I want to use park as a "keep" also and have been frustrated by  having to either 
leave messages marked "parked" in original folder or having the "park" removed when 
moving to another folder.
I'm surprised others haven't foud this irritating.  
I was unaware that filters kept the "parked" status.

At 07/31/2000 6:26:00 you wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>When moving a parked message manually, TB, after asking for
>confirmation, moves and unparks it. Doing the same thing with a
>filter (either manual or auto), TB *copy* it along with its status
>(parked), and the original is left in the original folder (also
>parked).
>
>SNIPPED  STUFF

>status intact, because I've been using the "park" function as I use
>the "keep" function in Forte Agent, which basically means "don't
>delete this message". It doesn't matter what folder it's in, I don't
>want to kill it accidentally. Losing the "parked" status when moving
>is therefore killing me.
>
>I also fail to see why moving a parked message manually and with a
>filter are implemented differently.
>
>Could someone enlighten me on this issue?
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Re: Moving parked messages

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Gary,


On  Monday, July 31, 2000  at  13:36:55 GMT -0500 (which was 11:36 AM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


G> The confirm box  "Do you wish to move the Parked Message as well" upon
G> moving drives me up a wall, as this is the only message I am trying to
G> move to begin with.  Maybe there could be a toggle for this and/or
G> other confirm boxes in options or some such.

What about using flagging or colour groups instead of parking?  That
may be more appropriate if you move your messages a lot.

 


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Re: Moving parked messages

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Katsmeow,


On  Monday, July 31, 2000  at  22:27:30 GMT -0500 (which was 8:27 PM
where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:


> Well, for me that doesn't serve the purpose of keeping from deleting
> the message which is what I use park for.  That is why I want to be
> able to mark a message to be kept (or parked or whatever) and then
> move it to another folder easily but with it keeping its kept status.

 I can't argue with that wish, I certainly have been bitten by the
 removal of parked status.  However, I am one of the ones who agrees
 with the *move* warning message.  As such, any markings I want to make
 should reflect the amount of movement the message is likely to
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Re: WAS: moving parked messages

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Hello Luc,

Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 10:33:36 PM, you wrote:

L> The way i go around this for the time being is that i mark them as
L>  unread and move them. That way i easily find them back and
L>  "shortcut" them as parked and read.

If one uses the method described by Ian White and creates a colour group
[f.i. "Moving Parked", "Parkeerbeheer" :-) or whatever], assigns it to the
parked messages before moving them, one doesn't have to worry about unread
messages that already were in the folder you were moving them to.

FWIW :-)

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Re: WAS: moving parked messages

[Luc]

Good morning Mark,  
  
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MP> If one uses the method described by Ian White and creates a colour group
MP> [f.i. "Moving Parked", "Parkeerbeheer" :-) or whatever], assigns it to the
MP> parked messages before moving them, one doesn't have to worry about unread
MP> messages that already were in the folder you were moving them to.

Right, that's also an easy way to find them back and re-park them
again.

Tnx (Bedankt)
 
 
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Re[2]: Moving parked messages

[Keith Rodrigues]

CM> IMO, very awkward.  To me "park" is a misnomer for the intent of the
CM> function; "keep" would be more like it, and then it should be
CM> "sticky," not disappear upon moving the message.

CM> But, I fear we may be in the minority here.

As someone who has been losing hair over this for a while now, it's
nice to know that there's at least two others with the same point of
view :)

Personally, I'd love to see an option to move (or Copy)  Parked messages with a
filter, and _keep_ them Parked (i.e. "kept" ala Agent) once they have
been filtered to their destination.


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Re[2]: Moving parked messages

[Katsmeow]

Hi Chuck,

Monday, July 31, 2000, 9:02:17 AM, you wrote:

> To me "park" is a misnomer for the intent of the
> function; "keep" would be more like it, and then it should be
> "sticky," not disappear upon moving the message.

> But, I fear we may be in the minority here.

Oh as a new user of a few weeks standing I have been using Parked
to mean kept and moving the parked messages. I had no idea...until
now..that they lost their parked status on moving.  What a PITA.  It
would seem fairly obvious to me that in a program with so many
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and might well want to move Parked messages without having to go into
the new folder and Park them again.  I think this is a significant
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Re[3]: Moving parked messages

[Gary]

Hi Katsmeow,

On Monday, July 31, 2000, 10:40:38 AM, you wrote in part about "Moving
parked messages":

>> To me "park" is a misnomer for the intent of the function; "keep"
>> would be more like it, and then it should be "sticky," not
>> disappear upon moving the message.

>> But, I fear we may be in the minority here.

Count me in too.  It is a PITA.  I also hate the conformation "Do you
wish to move the Parked Message as well" upon moving  -- If I didn't,
I wouldn't move it to begin with :-)


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Re[3]: Moving parked messages

[Keith Rodrigues]

Well, at least you got to find out early.

I learned the hard way. I moved a whole bunch of Parked mailing
list subscribe / unsubscribe info messages from my Inbox to a nice new
"Subscriptions" folder, and then purged all messages over 90 days old
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K> Oh as a new user of a few weeks standing I have been using Parked
K> to mean kept and moving the parked messages. I had no idea...until
K> now..that they lost their parked status on moving.  What a PITA.  It
K> would seem fairly obvious to me that in a program with so many
K> filtering capabilities and such that people would have multiple folder
K> and might well want to move Parked messages without having to go into
K> the new folder and Park them again.  I think this is a significant
K> flaw.

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Re[4]: Moving parked messages

[Katsmeow]

Hi Gary,

Monday, July 31, 2000, 10:58:27 AM, you wrote:

> I also hate the conformation "Do you
> wish to move the Parked Message as well" upon moving  -- If I didn't,
> I wouldn't move it to begin with :-)

Well, it is now clear to me that Parked really means don't move or
delete from this folder.  It does *not* mean don't delete if it is
moved.  So when the message is moved The Bat! assumes that that the
message is no longer to have Parked status.  Parking is tied to the
folder not to whether wou wish to make sure you don't accidentally
delete it.  I would like it have a feature where you could tell TB
that if you move a parked message that it would retain its parked
status (and, yes, it would be nice to be able to turn off the
confirmation for moving, yet retain it for deleting).

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Re[5]: Moving parked messages

[Gary]

Hi Katsmeow,

On Monday, July 31, 2000, 11:55:00 AM, you wrote in part about "Moving
parked messages":

>> I also hate the conformation "Do you wish to move the Parked
>> Message as well" upon moving  -- If I didn't, I wouldn't move it to
>> begin with :-)

K> Well, it is now clear to me that Parked really means don't move or
K> delete from this folder.  It does *not* mean don't delete if it is
K> moved.

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K> Is there some official place we are supposed to send these feature
K> requests so that TPTB know that there is a body of users asking for
K> this type of feature?

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Re[2]: Moving parked messages

[Gary]

Hi Curtis,

On Monday, July 31, 2000, 1:03:43 PM, you wrote in part about "Moving
parked messages":

C>  As with all else who have contributed to this thread, I very much
C> would prefer a 'keep' feature which I personally find more
C> applicable to more situations. Most often, I simply wish to make a
C> message undeletable but am not too concerned about not moving it,
C> unless read or replied filters would normally move the message if
C> not parked.

I personally find myself moving parked messages more often than
anything else, but not enough to create a filter for.  This is usually
done spur of the moment type of thing.  I use the parking feature all
the time, as I am sure most others do.

The confirm box  "Do you wish to move the Parked Message as well" upon
moving drives me up a wall, as this is the only message I am trying to
move to begin with.  Maybe there could be a toggle for this and/or
other confirm boxes in options or some such.

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Re[2]: Moving parked messages

[Katsmeow]

Hi Januk,

Monday, July 31, 2000, 8:42:49 PM, you wrote:

> What about using flagging or colour groups instead of parking?  That
> may be more appropriate if you move your messages a lot.

Well, for me that doesn't serve the purpose of keeping from deleting
the message which is what I use park for.  That is why I want to be
able to mark a message to be kept (or parked or whatever) and then
move it to another folder easily but with it keeping its kept status.

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Re[2]: Moving parked messages

[Gary]

Hi Januk,

On Monday, July 31, 2000, 8:42:49 PM, you wrote in part about "Moving
parked messages":

G>> The confirm box  "Do you wish to move the Parked Message as well"
G>> upon moving drives me up a wall, as this is the only message I am
G>> trying to move to begin with.  Maybe there could be a toggle for
G>> this and/or other confirm boxes in options or some such.

J> What about using flagging or colour groups instead of parking?  That
J> may be more appropriate if you move your messages a lot.

You know Januk, you bring up a good point.  I kind of became set in my
ways.  We seemed to always have had the park feature, and that has
become second nature to use for importance referencing, probably
because it has been around the longest for my use.  Then came the
flag, and I use that to really identify the "more important" messages
for easy recovery, along with the park - very easy to spot or quick
search. I really should utilize the last feature, color groups, that
was implemented in TB! more than I do presently.  The color coding can
relate to a lot of things.  ...

Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks?   Good idea.  I
just hate conformation boxes in general - it's a Windows / Micro$oft
thing - too many false positives of confirmation (1 file copied, 1
file deleted, etc), or "are you sure you want to perform certain
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Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Volker Ahrendt]

[Reply to: »Rick Grunwald« · 2008-03-18 · 18:13 h (CET)]

Moin, Rick!

>> AFAIK there is no option to keep the "Parked" status. Maybe a
>> filter could be a workaround, but I don't know how, yet. – I think
>> you should file a wish to Bugtracker. I would support. :-)

> Is not the purpose of parking a message to keep you from
> accidentally deleting or moving it.

Is it so? I don't know. Does "Parking" only mean to keep one from
deleting a message or does it mean to keep one from deleting *and*
moving a message? Why should I not move parked messages and keep the
"Parked" flag?

> I would think the work around would be to unpark it.

This is the status quo when moving a parked message and confirming
the warning.

> You get a message asking you if you really want to move a parked
> message and it will allow it. I think it is working as designed

I bet it is working as designed, but I am not convinced that the
design is completely user friendly:

I sometimes move a bunch of messages (parked and unparked) from one
folder to another. I confirm the warning and have to go through all
the messages to find the ones which need to be parked again.

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Volker,
Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:37:30 PM, you wrote:

VA> I bet it is working as designed, but I am not convinced that the
VA> design is completely user friendly:

VA> I sometimes move a bunch of messages (parked and unparked) from one
VA> folder to another. I confirm the warning and have to go through all
VA> the messages to find the ones which need to be parked again.

I am with you on this one. It is often very difficult to find the parked message
once you move it. I would also support the wish you are going to file. ;)

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Dwight Corrin]

On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:37:30 PM, Volker Ahrendt wrote:

> Why should I not move parked messages and keep the "Parked" flag?

You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It
would be like having a door locked and open it the same time.

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[George Mitchell]

Dwight Corrin wrote:

DC> On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:37:30 PM, Volker Ahrendt wrote:

>> Why should I not move parked messages and keep the "Parked" flag?

DC> You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It
DC> would be like having a door locked and open it the same time.

I think what people, myself included, are looking for is something 
like the Agent newsreader's Keep flag which just prevents against 
accidental deletion/purging.  Just because I want to protect a message 
doesn't mean I don't want to organize it.  The Park flag is 
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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Volker,

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:37:30 +0100 GMT (19/03/2008, 03:37 +0700 GMT),
Volker Ahrendt wrote:

VA> I bet it is working as designed, but I am not convinced that the
VA> design is completely user friendly:

VA> I sometimes move a bunch of messages (parked and unparked) from one
VA> folder to another. I confirm the warning and have to go through all
VA> the messages to find the ones which need to be parked again.

When you copy messages, the parked status is copied too. So, what I do
is copy to the destination folder and then unpark and delete them in
the original folder. It's just a workaround, but maybe it helps.

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Luc]

Good morning Dwight,  
  
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02:14:56 where I live) Dwight Corrin would write:

DC> You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It
DC> would be like having a door locked and open it the same time.

I see your point but since apparently it's possible when you copy the
message, i'm wondering why it shouldn't be possible TB! acts like
that when moving manually but then again i'm not a programmer lol.
 
 
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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Dwight Corrin]

On Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 9:43:38 AM, Luc wrote:

> I see your point but since apparently it's possible when you copy
> the message,

so it does. Makes sense, since the message is parked when it's
copied, but not when it's moved. Solves the problem about not being
able to find it at its destination. And no dialogue boxes asking
questions.

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Dwight Corrin]

On Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 8:26:52 AM, Maggie Meister wrote:

> Absolutely agree. In my Lists subfolders I have TBUDL, TBBETA, and
> TBParked. I park some messages in the first two, but don't get
> around  to moving them for a while - when I do, they all unpark of
> course,  into the Parked folder, where they then need to be reparked
> 'just in  case'.

What is the point of parking messages if you park them all? To me the
whole notion of parking a message is to make it impossible to delete.
Why one should be able to delete a parked message by moving it flies
in the face of the whole notion. I can't drive to the mall and have
my car be parked at the same time. My messages used to get organized
by filters, and be where I wanted them. Now with IMAP they get
organized before they ever hit my machine. Once they are where I want
them, if they are important enough, I might park them. But if I had
50,000 or so parked messages, parking wouldn't mean much any more.

Put differently, if everything was 'parked' how would I recognize the
messages which were important enough to park?

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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Luc]

Good afternoon Dwight,  
  
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DC> Solves the problem about not being
DC> able to find it at its destination. And no dialogue boxes asking
DC> questions.

Still don't see the problem with the ability of moving them and
keeping them parked... but i guess it's just a matter of different
opinions  For the time being it's impossible so i'll leave it at
that :-)

 
 
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Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Luc]

Good evening Maggie,  
  
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MM> If someone makes a wish about this feature, I will support it.

I filed a bug report... although it might be a wish for most 
 
 
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Re[2]: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Maggie Meister]

Hello George and Dwight,

On Wednesday, March 19, 2008 at 1:30:20 AM you wrote:

DC>> On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:37:30 PM, Volker Ahrendt wrote:

>>> Why should I not move parked messages and keep the "Parked" flag?

DC>> You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It
DC>> would be like having a door locked and open it the same time.

How about a command that allows 'secure move'?

GM> like the Agent newsreader's Keep flag which just prevents against 
GM> accidental deletion/purging.  Just because I want to protect a message
GM> doesn't mean I don't want to organize it.

Absolutely agree. In my Lists subfolders I have TBUDL, TBBETA, and 
TBParked. I park some messages in the first two, but don't get around 
to moving them for a while - when I do, they all unpark of course, 
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Re[2]: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Dwight,

On Wednesday, March 19, 2008 at 10:10:41 AM you wrote:

DC> What is the point of parking messages if you park them all?

Oh, I don't park them *all* just some, as I mentioned..

DC> To me the
DC> whole notion of parking a message is to make it impossible to delete.

Yes.

DC> Why one should be able to delete a parked message by moving it flies
DC> in the face of the whole notion.

I don't want to delete the parked message, just move it to another 
folder.

Doug Weller in his message of today at 10:41 where I am, elucidated
what I'm thinking.

DougW> I want to be able to protect a message against deletion and 
DougW> then organise it the way I want to organise it.

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Place for wishes - was Re: Moving parked messages

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Katsmeow, 

On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 at 11:55:00 [GMT -0500], you wrote:
K> Is there some official place we are supposed to send these feature
K> requests so that TPTB know that there is a body of users asking for
K> this type of feature?

Sure is, and it's listed at the TB FAQ 
under "Is there a wish list of features users want?"


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Re: Place for wishes - was Re: Moving parked messages

[Katsmeow]

Hi Leif,

Monday, July 31, 2000, 7:52:40 PM, you wrote:

> Sure is, and it's listed at the TB FAQ 
> under "Is there a wish list of features users want?"


And I actually *read* the FAQ a couple of weeks ago.  However, I am on
so much information overload regarding TB that I forgot that I had
seen it there!

I know it has to be frustrated to long time users to have us new
people coming in and asking basic questions which are answered in the
FAQ or Help Files.  Often it isn't that we've ignored them (I've not
only read them ... I've printed them out) but after a point you've
gotten so much information it is hard to even find what you've read
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