Re: PGP signature removal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, Gavin Sinclair wrote... A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use PGP signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap. :-) One person's forest of crap might be another's wondrous choreography of sparkling ciphertext! Well, at least it could mean something to those who understand its reason for being. True :) I understand their meaning and still think it's a forest of crap. Even if I thought signing messages in a public forum were a brilliant idea, I'd still think it's noise, because it's metadata, not actual message. It belongs in the same category as all the header information that we care about, but don't really need to see. This is where PGP/MIME signatures would come in handy :) You wouldn't see that 'crap' as it'd be an attached signature. BTW I'm pretty sure some other mailers (Mozilla? KMail?) hide the PGP/GnuPG/OpenPGP metadata from view (which is all I want, not to see it removed), and it seems like a pretty good idea for TB! It depends on the format. I am not sure you'll find Mozilla stripping the pgp signatures from view if it is an inline signature, but you probably wouldn't see it if it was PGP/MIME signed. There is Sylpheed (or was it evolution... Syafril will probably know... I've completely forgotten myself) on Linux (there is a win32 version too) that does replace the normal PGP signatures (inline ones that is) with a padlock. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPhKkySuD6BT4/R9zEQIyWQCg1EgSQQvS51nVV76QgDabUDlvrZgAoJ+U kOyMNJiLIb+9BYh0Fvx4FsOr =XJkL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
Hello Melissa!
On Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 12:03:07 AM you wrote:
M -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
M Hash: SHA1
M On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 8:27:37 PM PST, Gavin Sinclair
M wrote:
A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use
PGP signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap.
...
M There is a regex macro that you can use in your TB! reply templates to
M strip PGP signature material - and other stuff - from quoted text in
M replies:
M [all one line in a template]:
M %quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP
M %-SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-%
M - -BEGIN PGP
M SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s+.*roups.*~--\)|_{64,}\n.*MSN|\z)%-%REGEXPBLINDMAT
M CH=%text%SUBPATT=4'
...
One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls from
heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick Templates, then I
used the backspace button to turn it into one long line.
And it works! In order to comply with a request that Leif Gregory made
of me when I first joined this list in October, 2002, I have been
manually stripping everything below the cut line (delimiter)for months
now, before replying to it on the list. What a joy to use your
expression on this reply to you and have everything gone in one click. :)
Slightly off this subject: many people are not providing a double
hyphen cut line which actually works in writing to this list. My
memory of the way Leif explained it to me is that there should be two
line spaces (two clicks of Enter) both above and below the cut line
(two hyphens plus a click of the space bar).
If the two clicks of Enter below the hyphens don't happen, the cut line
will not function. According to Leif, this model will strip everything below
the cut line in the same way your regular expression MACRO as a
template works. Except it will be the sender who has extended this
courtesy to those who are replying on TBUDL. I practiced it with him, back in
October, and he said what I was doing worked.
Incidentally, wouldn't this work for Gavin:
1) Put the message into the full reading pane with a double-click on its highlighted
line in the message list pane.
2) Click Reply or click the reply Green Arrow, usingthe quick template of your regular
expression MACRO.
3) Read the message in this window, and then click the red X to close it.
4) At that point The Bat! will ask, Save the Message (meaning the reply),
and the correct answer is No, since nothing has been written--the Reply
(text editor) window has simply been used for reading, without the signature,
delightful (to me) cookies, and PGP signatures.
Or is that a bad idea?
--
Mary
The Bat 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1
Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
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Re: PGP signature removal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, Mary Bull wrote...
M -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
M Hash: SHA1
[1] See comment a little further down :)
M On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 8:27:37 PM PST, Gavin Sinclair
M wrote:
A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use
PGP signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap.
...
M There is a regex macro that you can use in your TB! reply templates to
M strip PGP signature material - and other stuff - from quoted text in
M replies:
M [all one line in a template]:
M %quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP
M
%-SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-%
M - -BEGIN PGP
M
SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s+.*roups.*~--\)|_{64,}\n.*MSN|\z)%-%REGEXPBLINDMAT
M CH=%text%SUBPATT=4'
...
One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls from
heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick Templates, then I
used the backspace button to turn it into one long line.
I'm not entirely sure this was copied correctly. As you notice at [1]
it still has the PGP header line. The above code should have stripped
it. I think the problem has to do with where you have one of your %-.
The correct version taken right from the website looks like this:
%quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP %-
SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(%-
- -*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|%-
\n-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE.*s?\n|%-
- -+\s+.*roups.*~--\)|%-
\n+Get your FREE download|%-
\z)%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=4'
I have a feeling a little bit of a nasty word wrap might have caught
somebody somewhere. Notice how on the first line it has the %- on the
end, but the quoted one above has the %- on the second line at the
front. I'm not sure how much of an affect it'd have, but it'd be
willing to guess it breaks the match up on the PGP Header line.
Slightly off this subject: many people are not providing a double
hyphen cut line which actually works in writing to this list. My
memory of the way Leif explained it to me is that there should be
two line spaces (two clicks of Enter) both above and below the cut
line (two hyphens plus a click of the space bar).
Not as far as I know. I've always seen it as just -- and a return
after. No need for a double return above/below the 'cut'. In fact, I
use mine as below, -- new linename and I've not had a problem
with it so far.
- --
Jonathan Angliss
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73
iQA/AwUBPhK3ECuD6BT4/R9zEQLeKwCaAi2iej+1dqBi1JzA7vnOA1n0m+QAoIn9
024bIicY47n0qGshe1GewWqS
=kUrU
-END PGP SIGNATURE-
Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
Hallo Jonathan, On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 03:38:18 -0600GMT (1-1-03, 10:38 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: JA Notice how on the first line it has the %- on the end, but the JA quoted one above has the %- on the second line at the front. I'm JA not sure how much of an affect it'd have, but it'd be willing to JA guess it breaks the match up on the PGP Header line. It does indeed. Recently it was discussed on this list. The %- at the end of a line tells TB to forget the Enter immediately following the %-. A %- at the beginning or in the middle of a line does nothing. Therefore Melissa's macro was looking for this: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED While it ought to look for -BEGIN PGP SIGNED However Melissa also stated that it ought to be put in one long line, that makes all %- macros rather useless, but it has the effect that the macro works, because there are no faulty line breaks. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
Hello Jonathan!
On Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 3:38:18 AM you wrote:
J [1] See comment a little further down :)
I think you are right, and I did get caught in trying to quote
Melissa's MACRO. I am very inexperienced. Would have been better just
to refer to it and let those interested pick it up off the thread. :)
Thank you for putting this correction in. I wouldn't want anyone to be
disappointed, who tried to use my version.
...
M There is a regex macro that you can use in your TB! reply templates to
M strip PGP signature material - and other stuff - from quoted text in
M replies:
M [all one line in a template]:
M %quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP
M
J %-SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-%
M - -BEGIN PGP
M
J SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s+.*roups.*~--\)|_{64,}\n.*MSN|\z)%-%REGEXPBLINDMAT
M CH=%text%SUBPATT=4'
...
One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls from
heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick Templates, then I
used the backspace button to turn it into one long line.
J I'm not entirely sure this was copied correctly. As you notice at [1]
J it still has the PGP header line. The above code should have stripped
J it. I think the problem has to do with where you have one of your %-.
J The correct version taken right from the website looks like this:
J %quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP %-
J SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(%-
J - -*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|%-
J \n-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE.*s?\n|%-
J - -+\s+.*roups.*~--\)|%-
J \n+Get your FREE download|%-
J \z)%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=4'
J I have a feeling a little bit of a nasty word wrap might have caught
J somebody somewhere. Notice how on the first line it has the %- on the
J end, but the quoted one above has the %- on the second line at the
J front. I'm not sure how much of an affect it'd have, but it'd be
J willing to guess it breaks the match up on the PGP Header line.
Again, thanks.
Slightly off this subject: many people are not providing a double
hyphen cut line which actually works in writing to this list. My
memory of the way Leif explained it to me is that there should be
two line spaces (two clicks of Enter) both above and below the cut
line (two hyphens plus a click of the space bar).
J Not as far as I know. I've always seen it as just -- and a return
J after. No need for a double return above/below the 'cut'. In fact, I
J use mine as below, -- new linename and I've not had a problem
J with it so far.
I am going to copy and paste here, what I am seeing below your 'cut'
line in this Reply text editor window. Do you mean that TB! will strip
it before it gets published in my quote to the list, if I don't
manually strip it or use Melissa's MACRO?
I am going to send this Reply without doing anything to what is below
your 'cut' line. Please do not take this as criticism. I am trying to
learn. I have only been using The Bat! since October 15, 2002.
Begin Copy-and-Paste:
J - --
J Jonathan Angliss
J ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
J -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
J Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73
J iQA/AwUBPhK3ECuD6BT4/R9zEQLeKwCaAi2iej+1dqBi1JzA7vnOA1n0m+QAoIn9
J 024bIicY47n0qGshe1GewWqS
J =kUrU
J -END PGP SIGNATURE-
J
J Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
J http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
End Copy-and-Paste.
J - --
J Jonathan Angliss
J ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
J -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
J Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73
J iQA/AwUBPhK3ECuD6BT4/R9zEQLeKwCaAi2iej+1dqBi1JzA7vnOA1n0m+QAoIn9
J 024bIicY47n0qGshe1GewWqS
J =kUrU
J -END PGP SIGNATURE-
J
J Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
J http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
--
Mary Bull
The Bat 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1
Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PGP signature removal?
Hello Mary,
Thank You for the bunch of BULL . (G)
Happy New Years,
Carl -reading the digest version
Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 2:45:03 AM, you wrote:
MB Hello Melissa!
MB On Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 12:03:07 AM you wrote:
M -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
M Hash: SHA1
M On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 8:27:37 PM PST, Gavin Sinclair
M wrote:
A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use
PGP signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap.
MB ...
M There is a regex macro that you can use in your TB! reply templates to
M strip PGP signature material - and other stuff - from quoted text in
M replies:
M [all one line in a template]:
M %quotes='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)((\s*)?\n?-BEGIN PGP
M %-SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-%
M - -BEGIN PGP
M SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s+.*roups.*~--\)|_{64,}\n.*MSN|\z)%-%REGEXPBLINDMAT
M CH=%text%SUBPATT=4'
MB ...
MB One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls from
MB heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick Templates, then I
MB used the backspace button to turn it into one long line.
MB And it works! In order to comply with a request that Leif Gregory made
MB of me when I first joined this list in October, 2002, I have been
MB manually stripping everything below the cut line (delimiter)for months
MB now, before replying to it on the list. What a joy to use your
MB expression on this reply to you and have everything gone in one click. :)
MB Slightly off this subject: many people are not providing a double
MB hyphen cut line which actually works in writing to this list. My
MB memory of the way Leif explained it to me is that there should be two
MB line spaces (two clicks of Enter) both above and below the cut line
MB (two hyphens plus a click of the space bar).
MB If the two clicks of Enter below the hyphens don't happen, the cut line
MB will not function. According to Leif, this model will strip everything below
MB the cut line in the same way your regular expression MACRO as a
MB template works. Except it will be the sender who has extended this
MB courtesy to those who are replying on TBUDL. I practiced it with him, back in
MB October, and he said what I was doing worked.
MB Incidentally, wouldn't this work for Gavin:
MB 1) Put the message into the full reading pane with a double-click on its
highlighted
MB line in the message list pane.
MB 2) Click Reply or click the reply Green Arrow, usingthe quick template of your
regular
MB expression MACRO.
MB 3) Read the message in this window, and then click the red X to close it.
MB 4) At that point The Bat! will ask, Save the Message (meaning the reply),
MB and the correct answer is No, since nothing has been written--the Reply
MB (text editor) window has simply been used for reading, without the signature,
MB delightful (to me) cookies, and PGP signatures.
MB Or is that a bad idea?
Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
On Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 5:03:07 PM, Melissa wrote: I'll sign this one just for you. ;-) Melissa Heh, no manual deforestation required. Thanks again! Gavin Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jonathan Angliss [JA] wrote:'
True :) I understand their meaning and still think it's a forest
of crap. Even if I thought signing messages in a public forum
were a brilliant idea, I'd still think it's noise, because it's
metadata, not actual message. It belongs in the same category as
all the header information that we care about, but don't really
need to see.
I agree with this completely.
JA This is where PGP/MIME signatures would come in handy :) You
JA wouldn't see that 'crap' as it'd be an attached signature.
PMMail 2000 doesn't use PGP/MIME and yet it very nicely deals with
the PGP metadata. It does exclude the PGP stuff from the viewer as
it does with the message headers.
In the status bar of the message viewer, you'll see that the message
the message has been PGP signed and whether or not the signature is
good/bad; valid/invalid. You therefore don't have to see the PGP
stuff within the message text and you don't have to manually check
the signature either.
We wonder why other clients never incorporate some of the no brainer
features of TB!. I wonder the same about this feature of PMMail.
--
-=] allie_M [=- {List Moderator}
MUA: TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition ___ OS: WinXP Pro (SP1)
Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mary Bull [MB] wrote:'
MB One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls
MB from heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick
MB Templates, then I used the backspace button to turn it into one
MB long line.
MB And it works! In order to comply with a request that Leif
MB Gregory made of me when I first joined this list in October,
MB 2002, I have been manually stripping everything below the cut
MB line (delimiter)for months now, before replying to it on the
MB list. What a joy to use your expression on this reply to you and
MB have everything gone in one click. :)
Why do you use it as a quick template? Is this by choice?
I ask because you can use the macro in your reply templates. It will
work just fine on messages that aren't PGP signed. Just replace the
%quotes macro with this macro and you'll not have to manually do
anything from then. :)
--
-=] allie_M [=- {List Moderator}
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Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jonathan, @1-Jan-2003, 03:38 -0600 (09:38 UK time) Jonathan Angliss [JA] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: JA The correct version taken right from the website looks like this: ... snip That won't work either - PGP has '- ' quoted the lines that start with '-'. It would be better to give the URL for it: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html#quote+extraction moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Jonathan. Actually it is a note about the thread that seems to have become a haven of excessive quoting. Please remember to trim your reply to simply provide a context for your comments. /moderator - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+EtYFOeQkq5KdzaARAr30AKCKnVi1n50Jntbc3vmUPo+B9m18WQCgyjW+ zuO6su9Pd9KsJVT/s0gpbvQ= =eMqM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
Hello Allie! On Wednesday, January 1, 2003 at 6:03:49 AM you wrote: MB One good thing about lurking: occasionally a little manna falls MB from heaven. I copied and pasted your template into Quick MB Templates, then I used the backspace button to turn it into one MB long line. ... A Why do you use it as a quick template? Is this by choice? Yes, because I forgot how to do the other templates. It has been a long time since I've had the use of this desktop machine (it crashed and had to be re-done, and so I forgot most of what was taught me in November. However, I thought, since Gavin (originator of the thread) did not know what templates were, that would be an easy route for him, also. It's the first use of templates that I learned. A I ask because you can use the macro in your reply templates. It will A work just fine on messages that aren't PGP signed. Just replace the A %quotes macro with this macro and you'll not have to manually do A anything from then. :) So I can just copy and paste there (isn't it in Accounts, Properties?) in the same way I did into Quick Templates? Thanks, Allie. I will try it now. -- Mary The Bat 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mary Bull [MB] wrote:'
MB So I can just copy and paste there (isn't it in Accounts,
MB Properties?) in the same way I did into Quick Templates? Thanks,
MB Allie. I will try it now.
You can do the following:
Create an address book entry for TBUDL and using the list address,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Right click the entry and select properties. Hit the 'Reply' tab,
enable the option 'Use a specific template for replies'.
Place in there, your reply template for the list (I reproduced it
from what I saw in your reply message so you could just copy and
paste the template below. There is deliberate wrapping there so you
don't have to adjust the macros to be a single long line.):
---start template
Hello %OFRomFName,
On %ODate, %OTime, you wrote:
%quotes=%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)(^-BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNED.*?\n%-
(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-(0,3)?\s*?--\s*\n|-(0,3)?\s*Yahoo!\s|%-
-BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNATURE.*s?\n)|\z)%-
%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=3
--
Mary
The Bat! %THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME%-
%WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION%-
%WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION
- end template |
--
-=] allie_M [=- {List Moderator}
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Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
Hello Allie, On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, 7:15 AM, you wrote: ... A You can do the following: A Create an address book entry for TBUDL and using the list address, A [EMAIL PROTECTED] . This entry I had already. A Right click the entry and select properties. Hit the 'Reply' tab, A enable the option 'Use a specific template for replies'. A Place in there, your reply template for the list (I reproduced it A from what I saw in your reply message so you could just copy and A paste the template below. There is deliberate wrapping there so you A don't have to adjust the macros to be a single long line.) ... Thank you so much. I have done this now. Trying it out in this reply. I made one manual adjustment. In my experience reading these lists, there must be two Enter clicks below the 'cut' line. I just made an experiment of replying to one Lister, who said his form worked. (I had been manually deleting everything below the 'cut' line, when everything traveled into my Reply text editor window. That one time, I didn't manually delete what was below his line. And it all showed up on the Post when I received it. I do believe there must be two lines left empty below the (-- ). So I put them there in this message, although the template doesn't have them. That's simple to do manually. :) Again, thanks for your help. -- Mary The Bat! 1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mary Bull [MB] wrote:'
MB In my experience reading these lists, there must be two Enter
MB clicks below the 'cut' line.
For the signature delimiter to work? No, the extra empty lines
aren't necessary. If you prefer having them there then your choice
of course. :)
MB That's simple to do manually. :)
You could put in your template so you don't have to be doing it
manually all the time.
MB Again, thanks for your help.
You're welcome.
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Re: PGP signature removal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, Mary Bull wrote... J [1] See comment a little further down :) I think you are right, and I did get caught in trying to quote Melissa's MACRO. I am very inexperienced. Would have been better just to refer to it and let those interested pick it up off the thread. :) Thank you for putting this correction in. I wouldn't want anyone to be disappointed, who tried to use my version. Don't take it as offence, or anything like that. Chances are, you were probably caught by a bad line wrap somewhere. Everybody gets caught by it at one time or another (check all those that paste their filters which contain a long event such as creating a batch file). [cut] J Not as far as I know. I've always seen it as just -- and a J return after. No need for a double return above/below the 'cut'. J In fact, I use mine as below, -- new linename and I've not J had a problem with it so far. I am going to copy and paste here, what I am seeing below your 'cut' line in this Reply text editor window. Do you mean that TB! will strip it before it gets published in my quote to the list, if I don't manually strip it or use Melissa's MACRO? Not in my case. I've PGP Signed my messages, which mean that the cut mark gets modified (although still half there). In this case, I put -- , but PGP modifies it to put - -- which as you can see is different, so TB wont' cut it. Hence the need for a macro. I am going to send this Reply without doing anything to what is below your 'cut' line. Please do not take this as criticism. I am trying to learn. I have only been using The Bat! since October 15, 2002. Begin Copy-and-Paste: Something else to note is that copying and pasting text might not get processed by macos, or TB internal macros (such as stripping signatures), unless you explicitly use the %CLIPBOARD macro. - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPhMjOCuD6BT4/R9zEQKqKQCg9F2gSfHW3EInWmOO6Oi0SGA926IAoOex Ha5w+FgMbJWYhF3T1TqSgCaY =klwh -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, January 01, 2003, Marck D Pearlstone wrote... JA The correct version taken right from the website looks like this: ... snip That won't work either - PGP has '- ' quoted the lines that start with '-'. Then maybe the template on the main site needs to be updated no? http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/samples.html#qtsamples Quick template #7. The odd thing is that is the one I use, and it strips just fine. Maybe it just accidentally works? http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html#quote+extraction This one seems a little more extensive, containing catches for other things as well. Some of which would probably vanish if people used proper cut marks anyway (ie, adverts at the bottom of the emails). - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 iQA/AwUBPhMkpCuD6BT4/R9zEQKSSgCeM2+LnjBGG4QHJ6nq1m40Ec0nDtcAn13L CbB3lho8CrSm0lmW/L8tCT0S =AmN3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jonathan, @1-Jan-2003, 11:25 -0600 (17:25 UK time) Jonathan Angliss [JA] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: That won't work either - PGP has '- ' quoted the lines that start with '-'. JA Then maybe the template on the main site needs to be updated JA no? Nono - you misunderstand me :-). When you quoted it, there were some lines of the macro that begin with '-'. You then PGP signed the posting. PGP prefaced *all* of those lines with an extra '- ' before signing. That messes with how the macro works when someone copies and pastes it from your posted version. It's a pain like that. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+EyiBOeQkq5KdzaARAhmhAJ4rbMKTxzFDrhtMr5yRn352WvkA8gCgkaTi TGWhcfzxPLdelYAjmNIHl1c= =o98q -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
Allie Martin, We wonder why other clients never incorporate some of the no brainer features of TB!. I wonder the same about this feature of PMMail. Exactly right. Good P G P support is one reason I bought Bat. Among other things, I use digital signatures to verify consulting contracts with clients worldwide. My only wish for Bat would be better integration with Gnu P G. Such as a) customizable locations for the Gnu EXE that don't depend upon PATH environment var b) key manager c) integrated Gnu P G distribution/setup with Bat (not an internal implementation of Gnu P G though) -- for setup convenience of inexperienced dummy users who are totally confused by the Gnu P G web sites and public key systems generally -- so that they never have to even look at a Gnu P G website to use it Regards. Mark Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
That won't work either - PGP has '- ' quoted the lines that start with '-'. JA Then maybe the template on the main site needs to be updated JA no? Nono - you misunderstand me :-). When you quoted it, there were some lines of the macro that begin with '-'. You then PGP signed the posting. PGP prefaced *all* of those lines with an extra '- ' before signing. That messes with how the macro works when someone copies and pastes it from your posted version. It's a pain like that. Ahh... my bad... I should have realised that, commenting just earlier that PGP replaces lines starting with a - with - -. I should have just pasted a link, but the one you referenced was a bit better as it included some extra checking, and strips out more stuff :) -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
On Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 3:27:37 PM, Gavin wrote: Hi all, [PGP signatures argably shouldn't be displayed in emails,] but the help and the FAQ mention nothing. Now that one or two reply templates have been published, could all this info be shoehorned into the FAQ somewhere? Cheers, Gavin Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Gavin Sinclair [GS] wrote:'
GS Now that one or two reply templates have been published, could
GS all this info be shoehorned into the FAQ somewhere?
It's already there in the macro and solutions library:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html
This library includes a lot of macros which you can use in your
templates.
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PGP signature removal?
Hi all, A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use PGP signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap. The Bat! being the powerful program it is, there must be a way to view the message without the noise, but the help and the FAQ mention nothing. Do you guys have any approach? Cheers, Gavin (Also from Sydney, Australia.) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
Hello Gavin, On Wed, 1 Jan 2003 15:27:37 +1100 GMT (01/01/03, 11:27 +0700 GMT), Gavin Sinclair wrote: A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use PGP signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap. The Bat! being the powerful program it is, there must be a way to view the message without the noise, but the help and the FAQ mention nothing. Do you guys have any approach? The best approach is to lobby the developers (once again) via the wishlist. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If flying is so safe, why do they call the airport the 'terminal'? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP signature removal?
On Wednesday, January 1, 2003, 5:03:07 PM, Melissa wrote: A lot of messages on this list, and some on others I frequent, use PGP signatures that hide the actual message in a forest of crap. :-) One person's forest of crap might be another's wondrous choreography of sparkling ciphertext! Well, at least it could mean something to those who understand its reason for being. True :) I understand their meaning and still think it's a forest of crap. Even if I thought signing messages in a public forum were a brilliant idea, I'd still think it's noise, because it's metadata, not actual message. It belongs in the same category as all the header information that we care about, but don't really need to see. Thanks for the tips. I don't understand that template you gave me very well, but I'm sure I won't remain ignorant for long. (That's not a cry for help, I'm off to the documenation now.) BTW I'm pretty sure some other mailers (Mozilla? KMail?) hide the PGP/GnuPG/OpenPGP metadata from view (which is all I want, not to see it removed), and it seems like a pretty good idea for TB! Cheers, Gavin Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
