Re: Bat doesn't notice when hdd full
Hello Bill, On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 07:43:53 -0500 GMT (20/02/2004, 19:43 +0700 GMT), Bill Blinn Technology Editor wrote: This is quickly moving into the OT realm, but I'll reply anyway. Back in the old days when the big (40MB shared by 35 people) hard drives on the DEC PDP-11 RS/TS system reached 80%, we got warning We had 10MB Winchester drives (removable, about the size of the things you use for curling) in 1980/81. I was assigned 1MB on it. This seemed like unlimited space! I never filled it with my programs, which were written in Pascal. Not Turbo-Pascal, mind you, that hadn't been invented yet. But I was a wizzard with pointer types. Oh well, the good old times. ;-) When I got a 2GB drive a couple of years ago, my friends classified it a football-field size HD. When I upgraded my mobo later on, it wouldn't support such old small drives and I had to buy a new HD as well. k Windows doesn't even like to defrag without 15-17% free space. I can k imagine the performance issues one would encounter with a 95% filled HD. Doesn't Windows start carping when free space drops below 85% or so? I may be remembering something that didn't occur, but I seem to recall some version of Windows grumbling about this. What is carping? I noticed that something called carp.exe is running on my PC, but I have no idea what it is. f'up2tbot. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If God dropped acid, would he see people? Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat doesn't notice when hdd full
Chris wrote: I can imagine the performance issues one would encounter with a 95% filled HD. No you can't. Damn. Fat-fingered that one. I meant to type I can't imagine... -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat doesn't notice when hdd full
On Friday, February 20, 2004, 3:10:31 AM, Chris wrote in message: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] C Linux doesn't really complain; it just saves every thing to C /dev/null. :-) Which is interesting as I've just tried to download mail using TB! in Xandros and nothing would save to hd - a message in all account logs reads: !20/02/2004, 18:08:55: FETCH - Low disk space for message store Now given that the messages are stored on a 7.5GB (Windows) partition with 2.55GB free space (i.e. 34% free space according to Diskeeper) I am flummoxed as to why I have this message appear. I booted back into Windows and downloaded the mail using TB! (into the same shared 7.5GB partition) and it all came down as it should do. Is the message in TB!'s log telling me right or is there something else I should be looking at here...? -- Cheers, Anne Registered Linux user #345132 Flying high with The Bat! v2.04 RC/3 on Xandros 2.0 Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat doesn't notice when hdd full
On Thursday, February 19, 2004, 8:17:58 PM, Peter wrote in message: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] P Like 'Not enough space to store / copy / move / whatever mail', P and then _not_ deleting it from the server. This is pretty much the message I had today with TB! under Xandros though... the mail wasn't deleted from server either. -- Cheers, Anne Registered Linux user #345132 Flying high with The Bat! v2.04 RC/3 on Xandros 2.0 Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat doesn't notice when hdd full
Hi, * Bill Blinn Technology Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED], Friday, February 20, 2004, 1:43:53 PM: Doesn't Windows start carping when free space drops below 85% or so? I may be remembering something that didn't occur, but I seem to recall some version of Windows grumbling about this. yeah. but when you have a separate partition for you swap-file, with the swap file filling the complete partition, you don't want windows complaining every 5 minutes. Timo Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat doesn't notice when hdd full
Anne [EMAIL PROTECTED] @ 20-Feb-2004 1:46:30 PM Bat doesn't notice when hdd full mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Which is interesting as I've just tried to download mail using TB! in Xandros and nothing would save to hd - a message in all account logs reads: Well, when you are running Windows under Linux, you are running it in emulation mode. I was talking about native Linux programs. I don't know what emulated programs do. They probably do the same thing that they do on Windows. !20/02/2004, 18:08:55: FETCH - Low disk space for message store That is an accaptable error message, to me. -- Chris - Nun mi Esperanton lernas. Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance. Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.04 | quot;Using TBUDLquot; information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat doesn't notice when hdd full
At 7:29 AM on 2/19/2004, Timo Boettcher typed ... T I had just a case of my System-drive (where I have my mails) T running full, and theBat didn't do anything about it, it just T stopped working. T I couldn't even delete mails, and had hoped for a hint about my T full Drive. T Anyone seen this before? T Is this a bug? I haven't encountered this, but I wouldn't consider it a bug. It's up to the operating system and the operator to keep an eye on disk usage. Anytime the disk drive is more than about 95% full, you're likely to see some odd behavior by the operating system. -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 2/19/2004 at 8:34 AM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: An unbreakable toy is useful for breaking other toys. If not for these words, this line would be blank. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat doesn't notice when hdd full
Hallo Timo, On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:29:07 +0100GMT (19-2-04, 13:29 +0100, where I live), you wrote: TB I had just a case of my System-drive (where I have my mails) TB running full, and theBat didn't do anything about it, it just TB stopped working. Well, TB needs free space to work properly, downloading new mail and composing mail are functions that require disk space. TB I couldn't even delete mails, Deleting mail wouldn't help. When you delete a mail in TB, it only gets marked as deleted. To really delete it from your harddisk, you'd need to compress your message base after deleting the messages. Compression of the message base basically means that you're building a new message base with only those messages that haven't been deleted. Once the new message base is completed, the old message base will be removed from disk. This goes for every folder. However this means that compressing won't work when you're lacking disk space, since it needs the space to store the the second message base and depending on the number of message that aren't deleted that second message base can need to be very big. That's why it's is good idea to compress automatically on exit. account - properties - options TB and had hoped for a hint about my full Drive. That would've been nice. Was it TB that completely filled your disk or another program? TB Anyone seen this before? Never happened to me. TB Is this a bug? No. It's more like a hardware restriction, like your car won't run without gas. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat doesn't notice when hdd full
Hi Roelof, * Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thursday, February 19, 2004, 3:13:00 PM: On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:29:07 +0100GMT (19-2-04, 13:29 +0100, where I live), you wrote: I had just a case of my System-drive (where I have my mails) running full, and theBat didn't do anything about it, it just stopped working. Well, TB needs free space to work properly, downloading new mail and composing mail are functions that require disk space. I undersatnd that. I had hoped for a warning Your hdd is full. Can't operate like this. I couldn't even delete mails, Deleting mail wouldn't help.[...] When I tried to delete mail, TB did nothing. It didn't delete it, it didn't even crash (I would have accepted that) but it did nothing. and had hoped for a hint about my full Drive. That would've been nice. Was it TB that completely filled your disk or another program? I guess it was TB. Is this a bug? No. It's more like a hardware restriction, like your car won't run without gas. But my car warns me before I run out of gas. Timo Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat doesn't notice when hdd full
Hello Timo, On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:31:36 +0100 GMT (19/02/2004, 23:31 +0700 GMT), Timo Boettcher wrote: I had just a case of my System-drive (where I have my mails) running full, and theBat didn't do anything about it, it just stopped working. Well, TB needs free space to work properly, downloading new mail and composing mail are functions that require disk space. I undersatnd that. I had hoped for a warning Your hdd is full. Can't operate like this. I agree. TB doesn't check whether the HD is full, and it should. IMHO. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it? Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat doesn't notice when hdd full
Bill Blinn Technology Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] @ 19-Feb-2004 8:37:00 AM Bat doesn't notice when hdd full mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't encountered this, but I wouldn't consider it a bug. It's up to the operating system and the operator to keep an eye on disk usage. Anytime the disk drive is more than about 95% full, you're likely to see some odd behavior by the operating system. It is not up to each application to check whether the disk is full; however, each application should GRACEFULLY handle not being able to write/read to/from a file for some reason. The OS, on the other hand, should inform you when you are low on disk space. To continue the car metaphor: You car tells you that it is running out of gas, but the radio doesn't say Hey! I can't work because your running out of gas. It just doesn't work (if your battery is dead also...). -- Chris - Nun mi Esperanton lernas. Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Today's Oxymoron: Synthetic natural gas Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat doesn't notice when hdd full
Bill Blinn Technology Editor wrote: It's up to the operating system and the operator to keep an eye on disk usage. Yikes! That's putting it nicely... Why would anyone run a machine that close to capacity? Hard drives aren't that expensive... Get more space! Windows doesn't even like to defrag without 15-17% free space. I can imagine the performance issues one would encounter with a 95% filled HD. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat doesn't notice when hdd full
ken green [EMAIL PROTECTED] @ 19-Feb-2004 9:52:56 PM Bat doesn't notice when hdd full mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I can imagine the performance issues one would encounter with a 95% filled HD. No you can't. It's much worse than you think. And it's even worse on a Mac. Linux doesn't really complain; it just saves every thing to /dev/null. :-) -- Chris - Nun mi Esperanton lernas. Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it. Using The Bat! v2.02.3 CE on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
