Re: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)

[A . Curtis Martin]

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On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:22:55 +0200, Avenarius wrote:

ACM>> That's the case only if you have placed the cursor in the target
ACM>> paragraph with the mouse. However, when I'm composing mail, I
ACM>> don't use the mouse at all, hence, I really only need to press
ACM>> Alt+L.

A> That's not so. I don't touch the mouse, either, when composing
A> emails.

Hmmm. Do you have auto-wrap (not auto-format) enabled? Here is what
happens with me. I write a paragraph which is automatically being
wrapped as I go along. I'm finished, and I reread, or while writing I
decide to insert some text or rearrange the last sentence. I use the
arrow keys to navigate to the new insertion point and start typing.
After the corrections are made, the wrapping is off, so I press Alt+L
*without* having to hit an arrow key immediately prior to this. I just
did this. I'm wondering why it doesn't work for you. :-/

A> The most common method I use for editing myself is selecting a few
A> original words with the keyboard and directly supplying a
A> re-formulated version instead. After you finish writing what you've
A> edited this way, the ALT+L shortcut does *not* reformat the entire
A> paragraph, and you've got to grope for one of the ARROW keys.

That's it! This is true. I personally don't do that sort of thing when
editing. :-)

A> The ALT+L shortcut only seems to work immeditely not if you're
A> supplying old text for new but if you're merely adding a few words to
A> what's already there. (An operation I rarely perform.)

This is what I do all the time. I just add words and delete others; not
select and then overwrite text. 

A> Incidentally: another weakness of the editor is that, although
A> multiple UnDo is possible, not a single ReDo is allowed. (Let alone
A> multiple RepeatLastAction.)

True. Another call for the need to be able to use ones own editor of
choice.

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Re: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)

[A . Curtis Martin]

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On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:46:05 +0200, Avenarius wrote:

ACM>> Me? I just make the necessary changes, ignoring the distortion of
ACM>> the formatting. When I'm done, I hit Alt+L once and voila, text is
ACM>> reflowed.

A> Not really, Allie. After you're done, you cannot hit ALT+L
A> immediately. First you need to *move the cursor* (one letter to the
A> right or left or up or down) and *only then* does ALT+L reflow the
A> entire paragraph. It's another of those infuriating aspects of The
A> Bat...

That's the case only if you have placed the cursor in the target
paragraph with the mouse. However, when I'm composing mail, I don't use
the mouse at all, hence, I really only need to press Alt+L.

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Re: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)

[A . Curtis Martin]

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On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:39:14 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA> So with alt-L it is possible to reflow text in a list or a table
JA> without losing the  marks. The trick is to highlight text
JA> from the lines you want to reformat.

I never thought of this, thanks.

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Re: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Thomas,


On  Friday, September 22, 2000  at  11:58:26 GMT +0800 (which was 8:58 PM
where I live) witnesses say Thomas Fernandez typed:

> I love disclaimers. ;-)

I love writing disclaimers. :)  (Please note, this was a joke.  It was
intended to be not funny.)

> Oops, while typing this, Allie's and your follow-up messages just came
> in. So alt-L is not just the manual version of auto-format. They do
> different things. Didn't know that.

Yep, in fact alt-L (and its siblings for other justified modes) have
one distinct advantage.  You can select the lines you want to reflow.
Here as an example, I've mangled part of your message:

> Oops, while typing this,
>  Allie's and your follow-up
> messages just came
> in.
> So alt-L is not just the manual
> version of auto-format.

This has pretty ugly formatting, but let's say I want to keep the last
two lines the way they are, so I'll select some text from each of the
other lines and hit alt-L.

> Oops, while typing this, Allie's and your follow-up messages just
> came in.
> So alt-L is not just the manual
> version of auto-format.

So with alt-L it is possible to reflow text in a list or a table
without losing the  marks.  The trick is to highlight text
from the lines you want to reformat.

Happy editing.


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Re: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Januk,

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:07:21 -0700 GMT (23/09/2000, 08:07 +0800 GMT),
Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA> Please note, I do not want to start up the Editor debate again.  The
JA> purpose of this post is simply to indicate how to use the *current*
JA> implementation and in no way indicates my preference of editors.

I love disclaimers. ;-)

JA> Does anyone else have any other tips or tricks that they have learned
JA> to make their message editing speedier and more convenient?  Please
JA> note, I'm asking for ideas for the *current* implementation.

Instead of hitting shft-crftl-F before, and again after editing a
paragraph, I hit alt-L only once, namely after editing it. I think
that's easier (for me). IOW I don't use auto-format at all.

Oops, while typing this, Allie's and your follow-up messages just came
in. So alt-L is not just the manual version of auto-format. They do
different things. Didn't know that.

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Re: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello A,


On  Friday, September 22, 2000  at  22:08:56 GMT -0500 (which was 8:08 PM
where I live) witnesses say A . Curtis Martin typed:


> Me?  I  just  make the necessary changes, ignoring the distortion of the
> formatting. When I'm done, I hit Alt+L once and voila, text is reflowed.
> It  seems  more  efficient to me because in your case you have to toggle
> the  autoformat on and then off. I just hit Alt+L once. The intermittent
> Alt+L'ing  is  the price that I am willingly paying to be able to reflow
> quoted text.

This is funny.  Last time you and I had this conversation, you were
using Auto-format and I was using Alt-L. :-)  The reason I converted
to the Auto-format club is that auto-format preserves indentations and
double spaces between sentences.  Alt-L does not.  Personally, that is
worth the price most of the time.  For everything else, there's Alt-L.
I guess I should also note that auto-format is very dangerous when you
get it too close to quoted text.  I think more than a few of you can
testify to that.

> See above  isn't it just great? :-)

Sure is.

JA>> Please  note, I do not want to start up the Editor debate again. The
JA>> purpose  of this post is simply to indicate how to use the *current*
JA>> implementation and in no way indicates my preference of editors.

> Hehehe. Yes, I realize this.

With the huge threads and debates on this list recently, I just wanted
to be clear.  Don't want to risk any mild troutings.  Now if it were
spicy blackened Cajun trout...  :)



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Re: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)

[A . Curtis Martin]

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On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:07:21 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA> By default I leave auto-formatting turned off.

Me too. Although I had left it on by default for a long time.

JA> This way I can type what I want, however I want.

This is why I have finally switched it off permanently.

JA> So  after I've typed a paragraph, I might notice that I want to edit
JA> something  in  the  middle  of  the  paragraph. So now I turn on the
JA> auto-format  tool  (use the keyboard shortcut), make my changes, and
JA> TB  responds the way most Windows text editors do. When I'm finished
JA> with  these  modifications, I turn off auto-format (use the keyboard
JA> shortcut again).

Me?  I  just  make the necessary changes, ignoring the distortion of the
formatting. When I'm done, I hit Alt+L once and voila, text is reflowed.
It  seems  more  efficient to me because in your case you have to toggle
the  autoformat on and then off. I just hit Alt+L once. The intermittent
Alt+L'ing  is  the price that I am willingly paying to be able to reflow
quoted text.

See above  isn't it just great? :-)

JA> With  judicious  use  of  TB's  text reflowing capabilities and some
JA> simple  rules  for  formatting,  TB's editor can be shown to be very
JA> useful.

Indeed. :-)

JA> Please  note, I do not want to start up the Editor debate again. The
JA> purpose  of this post is simply to indicate how to use the *current*
JA> implementation and in no way indicates my preference of editors.

Hehehe. Yes, I realize this.

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