Re: Note to screenreader users, was Re: Screen readers and TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Steve, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 1 Oct 2003 11:48:51 (my local time 17:48:51), you typed: KE selecting your text, press f4 and you're in the message editor with KE the text you selected as quoted text. SMS What a cool feature!!! Only problem is, how can I copy more text from SMS the original message? If you have view|original message selected, there's a window one tab to the left of the message editor. Here, the original message is visible. Select what you want to copy and right click. Now you're in a menu where the first choise is quote. Select it, hit enter and voila, the quoted text is in the message. Yup, TB! is a truely awesome program. - -- - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.22, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/e+4NODlJeoMTOQsRApkAAJ9H5OA1t8tm9eJlyLbcYF7xWkmiYQCfX2jA zD7kHntPLiSbagdGwIX9OzU= =gFKV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 23:39:42 (my local time 1 okt 2003 00:39:42), you typed: AH If I get the following: AH Subject Author AH Test Message Andrew Hodgson AH Test Message Another user AH Then when arrowing through those messages, my screen reader would AH read the first line out completely, but the second line would only AH read out the author of the new message, not the subject again, as AH this is the same. The same principal works for the author. I know you don't have the inbox threaded by reference, but how if at all, do you have it threaded? or do you have the same problem even if threading by reference? I can't remember having that problem with jfw, but then again, it was quite a while since i last used Jaws to read the bat! mail. - -- - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.22, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/epF9ODlJeoMTOQsRAioVAJ4mo0Y5XlPzweyheAZEpfQ2o7XmzwCgyWOG 9qmeq4Q5pZ+c+Lh+9OIZ3K4= =7ucz -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Krister, Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 9:33:54 AM, you wrote: KE Hi Andrew, KE In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KE On 30 Sep 2003 23:39:42 (my local time 1 okt 2003 00:39:42), you KE typed: AH If I get the following: AH Subject Author AH Test Message Andrew Hodgson AH Test Message Another user AH Then when arrowing through those messages, my screen reader would AH read the first line out completely, but the second line would only AH read out the author of the new message, not the subject again, as AH this is the same. The same principal works for the author. KE I know you don't have the inbox threaded by reference, but how if at KE all, do you have it threaded? or do you have the same problem even if KE threading by reference? I have the same problem regardless of how it is threaded. When you spoke of TB not speaking in the message list view, I was wondering whether you had the same issue. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 1 Oct 2003 13:35:15 (my local time 14:35:15), you typed: AH When you AH spoke of TB not speaking in the message list view, I was wondering AH whether you had the same issue. I had it when viewing a folder with the message list visible. It was because of that that i started to use the main message view instead of the folder view. It was much smoother for me. - -- - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.22, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/etb4ODlJeoMTOQsRAjIIAJ0Za8emdMUZ5rAGqvALDeUCdShpNACg8ui9 uG6dfIDErQU5hNeHztPzKaY= =f3/A -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Note to screenreader users, was Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Krister, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 11:50:47 AM, you wrote: KE A note to our screen reader using friends, a way of trimming the reply KE is that when you read the message, you can actually select text rather KE like in a word processor, ie by using the shift key in conjunction KE with up-or down arrow, pgup or pgdown, home or end respectively. After KE selecting your text, press f4 and you're in the message editor with KE the text you selected as quoted text. What a cool feature!!! Only problem is, how can I copy more text from the original message? Every day I learn something new about TB, truely an amazing program. Steve Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Note to screenreader users, was Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hallo Steve, On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:48:51 -0400GMT (1-10-03, 17:48 +0200, where I live), you wrote: KE After selecting your text, press f4 and you're in the message KE editor with the text you selected as quoted text. SMS What a cool feature!!! Only problem is, how can I copy more text from SMS the original message? When you want to quote multiple phrases, I suppose it's easiest way to quote the whole message and delete what you don't want to include. If you prefer to insert several quotes over deleting the uinwanted stuff, you can go back to the original message (while you're composing your reply) select a phrase, copy it with Ctrl-C, go back to the edit window and paste with Alt-Ins (Edit - Paste as quotation) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Note to screenreader users, was Re: Screen readers and TheBat
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, 17:48:51, Steve M. Sawczyn wrote: What a cool feature!!! Only problem is, how can I copy more text from the original message? Every day I learn something new about TB, truely an amazing program. Use Shift+Tab when you're in the message body, and focus should jump to the preview pane - you can select more text there again. To paste as quote, use Alt+Insert. -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ http://deepthought.ena.si/ Nothing matters very much, and few things matter at all. -- Erhard's Contention Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Krister, Sunday, September 28, 2003, 12:15:23 PM, you wrote: KE Hi Andrew, KE In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KE On 27 Sep 2003 11:51:38 (my local time 12:51:38), you typed: AH example, on two messages next to each other in the message view AH window, with the same author and subject, I will not hear anything AH through my synthesiser when pressing the delete key. KE What view are you using when this problem occurs, the view folder xx KE or the main message view? KE In the folder view, i did have the same problem, but in the main KE message view window i've not had this problem. Also how do you thread? KE Do you thread by refference (alt+1)? If not, try this setting, this KE could even solve the problem quoted below. I do thread by reference in my list folders but not in the inbox folder. I am using the main message view - with the folders on the left and the message list on the right. AH Further to AH this, it would probably be a good idea to see if we could tell the AH screen reader that a message is part of a thread etc. KE If you have a thread sorted by refference, alt+1, you get a number of KE messages both read and unread in the part of the thread where you are, KE like this: KE Subject, From-name and addres, 1 1 Time and so on. the 1 1 KE indicates that there is one msg in the thread and that message is KE unread. Does this help? Yes - grately. Two other problems I have are that the source viewer (press f9) is not accessible to me at any rate, because when you press the down arrow it moves the whole screen down instead of the cursor, this is known to screen reader users as a static cursor, and is something that makes a lot of email clients inaccessible, and is one reason I like The Bat for email, as it does not have one on the main message viewer. Also, in the spell checker, when pressing alt+c to change a word to the sellected choice, it doesn't seem to happen, instead the same word comes up and up again for correction in the same place in the document. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 (my local time 13:28:09), you typed: AH Two other problems I have are that the source viewer (press f9) is AH not accessible to me at any rate, because when you press the down AH arrow it moves the whole screen down instead of the cursor, this is AH known to screen reader users as a static cursor, and is something AH that makes a lot of email clients inaccessible, and is one reason I AH like The Bat for email, as it does not have one on the main message AH viewer. Sorry, i must be tired or something, i don't fully understand where the problem lies, on the other hand, I've never used the view source feature, so can't really say what this is supposed to do. AH Also, in the spell checker, when pressing alt+c to change a AH word to the sellected choice, it doesn't seem to happen, instead the AH same word comes up and up again for correction in the same place in AH the document. Hmm, haven't checked into this. A few seconds later... I've actually checked the spell checker dialog, and i think that your best bet is to tab around the dialog, this seems to work kinda nice. Sorry i couldn't be of more help. - -- - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.18, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/eX+3ODlJeoMTOQsRAlxKAJ4u7NEfWhq9q5dTkH0mAGEu6o3ffwCg4k6+ jFV/4oSxb8FhFfOYS+qYstA= =fO7P -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Krister, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:05:49 PM, you wrote: KE -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- KE Hash: SHA1 KE Hi Andrew, KE In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KE On 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 (my local time 13:28:09), you typed: AH Two other problems I have are that the source viewer (press f9) is AH not accessible to me at any rate, because when you press the down AH arrow it moves the whole screen down instead of the cursor, this is AH known to screen reader users as a static cursor, and is something AH that makes a lot of email clients inaccessible, and is one reason I AH like The Bat for email, as it does not have one on the main message AH viewer. KE Sorry, i must be tired or something, i don't fully understand where KE the problem lies, on the other hand, I've never used the view source KE feature, so can't really say what this is supposed to do. It displays the email in its entirity including the header, and the different mime entities in the raw format. Press f9 on any email and a window will pop up displaying the full source of the email. If you go to the edit menu, you can sellect all, then copy and paste it into notepad, but it would be nice to read the contents of that window. AH Also, in the spell checker, when pressing alt+c to change a AH word to the sellected choice, it doesn't seem to happen, instead the AH same word comes up and up again for correction in the same place in AH the document. KE Hmm, haven't checked into this. A few seconds later... I've actually KE checked the spell checker dialog, and i think that your best bet is to KE tab around the dialog, this seems to work kinda nice. KE Sorry i couldn't be of more help. The tab key works to get you round the box, and if you press space on the buttons it works fine, but if you for example press alt+c, which is the shortcut for change, it doesn't work (or as far as I can see it doesn't). Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Andrew, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 8:41:34 AM, you wrote: AH The tab key works to get you round the box, and if you press space AH on the buttons it works fine, but if you for example press alt+c, AH which is the shortcut for change, it doesn't work (or as far as I AH can see it doesn't). moderator This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Andrew. Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to specific items in the message you are replying to. You don't necessarily need four layers of quoted material to respond to the last comment made. A sure fire indicator that insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature and list footer remain in the quoted text, and/or the PGP signature. We have list archives for the purposes of being able to go back to view the entire thread contents. Thank you. /moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.18 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Chris, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 8:47:53 AM, you wrote: CG sometimes when pressing enter on a message the message will not CG read. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Chris. This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and b) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one parts of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. Thank you. /moderator -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.00.18 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Chris, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 3:47:53 PM, you wrote: CG i've also found that the spell check alt-c for the shortcut doesn't work also. CG one needs to tab through and press space on the change button and it'll chang Thanks - its not just my system then. I find it hard to see why this doesn't work; when you press alt+c to change the word, it appears to do something but then just goes back to that word again as if it did not change it. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 15:41:34 (my local time 16:41:34), you typed: KE Sorry, i must be tired or something, i don't fully understand where KE the problem lies, on the other hand, I've never used the view source KE feature, so can't really say what this is supposed to do. AH It displays the email in its entirity including the header, and the AH different mime entities in the raw format. Press f9 on any email AH and a window will pop up displaying the full source of the email. AH If you go to the edit menu, you can sellect all, then copy and paste AH it into notepad, but it would be nice to read the contents of that AH window. Ok, i see where you're coming from there. Yes, that would definitely be nice. I guess to leave a bug report, i'll have to sign up for an account in the bug tracker, but if Thomas F still compiles a list of accessibility related bugs, could you please add it to it? KE tab around the dialog, this seems to work kinda nice. KE Sorry i couldn't be of more help. AH The tab key works to get you round the box, and if you press space AH on the buttons it works fine, but if you for example press alt+c, AH which is the shortcut for change, it doesn't work (or as far as I AH can see it doesn't). Hmm, and you can't go outside an edit field and then just press c either... I don't personally see this as an issue of very high priority, but then again, that's me, and different people have different needs, but of course the shortcut to the button provided should work. Anyone else notised this behavior? - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.22, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/eaRZODlJeoMTOQsRAh/XAKCHUr8G6cpb5Z4nA9GHDdr6OtZs4wCg804W fcqJ4ax7FzAV0GXFH8Ii4bw= =Lt0n -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Note to screenreader users, was Re: Screen readers and TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Leif, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 08:50:08 (my local time 16:50:08), you typed: LG Please trim replies to context. Try to cut out as much of the original LG text as possible in your replies so that your response is targeted to LG specific items in the message you are replying to. A note to our screen reader using friends, a way of trimming the reply is that when you read the message, you can actually select text rather like in a word processor, ie by using the shift key in conjunction with up-or down arrow, pgup or pgdown, home or end respectively. After selecting your text, press f4 and you're in the message editor with the text you selected as quoted text. This is one of the niftier features of The bat! imho. - -- - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.22, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/eaZkODlJeoMTOQsRAjgTAKC1u45gCtd3+CcPYt1A7po9kWFB3ACfQU4t MtNdGk6L6DhNdThSS3pOEsg= =Cd+G -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Andrew, On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 +0100 GMT (30/09/2003, 18:28 +0700 GMT), Andrew Hodgson wrote: the source viewer (press f9) is not accessible to me at any rate, because when you press the down arrow it moves the whole screen down instead of the cursor, this is known to screen reader users as a static cursor, I have experienced this as well. The cursor should behave the same after pressing F9 as it does when reading a message in the preview pane or the folder view, IMHO. Care to add a bugnote to http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001762 ? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. There are 10 different kinds of people in this world -- those who understand binary and those who don't. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.18 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chris, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30 Sep 2003 10:47:53 (my local time 16:47:53), you typed: CG i also don't like the change in the bat 2 when i press delete in a message CG window it doesn't close the window and move back to the list CG like it did in 1.6xx it just opens the next message in CG that window. I don't like that either. The way i do it now, is that i hit the escape key after reading each message thereby going back to the main message window. it works, but i'd much prefer if it could be like in v1.6X. - -- - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.22, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/eafjODlJeoMTOQsRAsfgAJ96FaPF0j7cpbcehNTvr8vXe4WD/ACgpJAv yWdYALgIfNb+YDNncwhtvTk= =IOef -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Krister, On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:42:05 +0200 GMT (30/09/2003, 22:42 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: Ok, i see where you're coming from there. Yes, that would definitely be nice. I guess to leave a bug report, i'll have to sign up for an account in the bug tracker, but if Thomas F still compiles a list of accessibility related bugs, could you please add it to it? I have already sent the list, see http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001762, and additional bugnotes from other people are welcome. You see, every time a bugnote is added, the bug report is moved to the top. ;-) And it looks better if different people contribute... that's the marketing guy in me speaking. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. What to not say to the nice policeman: So, uh, you on the take or what? Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.18 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 4:51:22 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Andrew, TF On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 +0100 GMT (30/09/2003, 18:28 +0700 GMT), TF Andrew Hodgson wrote: the source viewer (press f9) is not accessible to me at any rate, because when you press the down arrow it moves the whole screen down instead of the cursor, this is known to screen reader users as a static cursor, TF I have experienced this as well. The cursor should behave the same TF after pressing F9 as it does when reading a message in the preview TF pane or the folder view, IMHO. Thanks; I will add some bugs to the tracking system. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Chris, Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 7:00:13 PM, you wrote: CG is there a way that ritlabs can have the message list be a standard list view. CG sometimes when i arrow up and down the list of messages CG winow-eyes can't read the entire line, or it skipps over CG name/subject. or something, it's not usable. I am wondering whether this is because the subject/author are the same in the next message? If I get the following: Subject Author Test Message Andrew Hodgson Test Message Another user Then when arrowing through those messages, my screen reader would read the first line out completely, but the second line would only read out the author of the new message, not the subject again, as this is the same. The same principal works for the author. I have no idea why this is the case but I tested with both Jaws and Windoweyes and the same problem occured. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 27 Sep 2003 18:46:47 (my local time 13:46:47), you typed: I think it won't hurt to give a pointer or hint to the dialogs where the problems are most significant, but that's my opinion. TF I will give them quite a number of examples. Sounds good to me. TF Hm. I have reports from Jaws users that the Mail Despatcher is pretty TF unusable for them. But I understand that there is a standard which TF doesn't require to train Jaws; so is it a bug or not? - Jaws doesn't TF run on my Chinese Windows, so I cannot test it myself. I don't really know what you mean by standard that doesn't require training, so can't say for sure if this is a bug and where it lies. The controls in the dispatcher are non-windows-standard, TF I meant the Windows-Standards that Joe has already referred me to. TF I just thought when they are adhered to, a training is not necessary TF any more. Never mind. Umm, Msaa helps Jaws to recognize controls and such, but i believe that some scripting and in Hals case, what's called Map file writing is still necessary. I base this thought on the experiences i had with another mailer i recently tested, called Mozilla Thunderbird, which has MsAA implemented, but that still requires some work to make it fully accessible. which means that a screen reader could have difficulties recognizing controls for what they are. In Jaws, it was possible to label the graphics for checked and unchecked status, thereby one could get the right info, in Hal, it's a little bit trickier, see below. TF Why do you say it was possible? Is it not possible any more, or do TF you just mean you are not using Jaws any more? It means i don't use Jaws anymore, at least not as often as i used to do. In fact, i use Jaws less and less frequently. - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.6, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/dr/KODlJeoMTOQsRAsUZAJ0c54ifrBFgecK0JVSMIFez4wVbZACg0ISb SG5fXCk4oONEIa6796bYoIM= =osZa -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Andrew, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 27 Sep 2003 11:51:38 (my local time 12:51:38), you typed: AH example, on two messages next to each other in the message view AH window, with the same author and subject, I will not hear anything AH through my synthesiser when pressing the delete key. What view are you using when this problem occurs, the view folder xx or the main message view? In the folder view, i did have the same problem, but in the main message view window i've not had this problem. Also how do you thread? Do you thread by refference (alt+1)? If not, try this setting, this could even solve the problem quoted below. AH Further to AH this, it would probably be a good idea to see if we could tell the AH screen reader that a message is part of a thread etc. If you have a thread sorted by refference, alt+1, you get a number of messages both read and unread in the part of the thread where you are, like this: Subject, From-name and addres, 1 1 Time and so on. the 1 1 indicates that there is one msg in the thread and that message is unread. Does this help? - -- - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.6, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/dsLWODlJeoMTOQsRAoLVAJ9rNfzqk6LLKLL4y0GexPgGC3oSLQCfbxnn /C0uEE7b76PDrmxCFnatSSk= =l40l -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Krister, On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:02:23 +0200 GMT (28/09/2003, 18:02 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: I think it won't hurt to give a pointer or hint to the dialogs where the problems are most significant, but that's my opinion. TF I will give them quite a number of examples. Sounds good to me. I already posted this on the beta list: http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001762 It may not be complete, so please feel free to add bugnotes. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.18 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi Thomas, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 26 Sep 2003 23:29:55 (my local time 18:29:55), you typed: This is also true when making an auto-reply. Only the check box is visible and then you'll have to fiddle around with the mouse a bit to find the button for the template dialog. It's doable, but could get better. TF I will just put in the bug report that tab doesn't do what it TF should, and they should review all of the dialogs. Will that be OK? - I think it won't hurt to give a pointer or hint to the dialogs where the problems are most significant, but that's my opinion. TF Message Depatcher: TF List boxes can still not be seen. Correction: the list boxes are perfectly navigable, but the check boxes for read, open, delete and fetch aren't recognized. This was trainable in Jaws by labeling the graphics for checked and unchecked. TF Hm. I have reports from Jaws users that the Mail Despatcher is pretty TF unusable for them. But I understand that there is a standard which TF doesn't require to train Jaws; so is it a bug or not? - Jaws doesn't TF run on my Chinese Windows, so I cannot test it myself. I don't really know what you mean by standard that doesn't require training, so can't say for sure if this is a bug and where it lies. The controls in the dispatcher are non-windows-standard, which means that a screen reader could have difficulties recognizing controls for what they are. In Jaws, it was possible to label the graphics for checked and unchecked status, thereby one could get the right info, in Hal, it's a little bit trickier, see below. I've not examined the trainability options in Hal 5.21, (http://www.dolphinuk.co.uk) the screen reader i'm using, but i will and get back with a report on how this goes. TF I'm looking forward to your report. I will also check out whether Hal TF runs on my computer (if they offer a trial version, that is). They indeed offer a demo version so it shouldn't be any problems testing it. The demo is located at: http://www.dolphinuk.co.uk or if that doesn't work try www.dolphinuk.com. The trainability wasn't that good in Hal. I'd hoped that the check controls could be recognized as untrained objects, but from the tiny test i did, it appears that it didn't. I guess it's a matter of labeling graphics even in Hal. - -- - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.6, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iQEVAwUBP3VPk7NXkIaSy56RAQGIOQf9Eoq91ac2Sx2oWIMiCDSgLZ9Bz6geP3fj 5xjpLIEq9u2xwuuQhdm8aLh7I/LzyH0YQ9p5arWSiY76WMr0gnnblPufX2Q/PvD5 wOKXjNQVw2Ok4ngsVipdG3c0XRHoFFTAkYV7SPcHsHU7XVGTuXWNWeQt7ejLpLiv 5R7YUJbqcNtWxSjaIhkUVIQCoFBhOUlGCO60Y+rJS3+eH0wF8NpL4EDNkx2ppduf 2kiKTd8JvHc2ffTpt127LCWHUKTDQ3GZwN+exUAcibPooqXEhNY+XIXR9nn8lfJQ z0UO+37+JAFM8IIexHEmDhMmBwaZBx4c8/PKP0zyF9nlCbrWaSNtqA== =xYl0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Krister et al, Saturday, September 27, 2003, 9:51:19 AM, you wrote: [snip previous message as it is not relevant to the point I am raising] Another issue I have found is that certainly in Jaws if a message that you delete has a particular subject/author combination, and the next message which is now the current message has either the same author or subject, the corisponding information is not read. For example, on two messages next to each other in the message view window, with the same author and subject, I will not hear anything through my synthesiser when pressing the delete key. Further to this, it would probably be a good idea to see if we could tell the screen reader that a message is part of a thread etc. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Krister, On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:51:19 +0200 GMT (27/09/2003, 15:51 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: TF I will just put in the bug report that tab doesn't do what it TF should, and they should review all of the dialogs. Will that be OK? - I think it won't hurt to give a pointer or hint to the dialogs where the problems are most significant, but that's my opinion. I will give them quite a number of examples. TF Hm. I have reports from Jaws users that the Mail Despatcher is pretty TF unusable for them. But I understand that there is a standard which TF doesn't require to train Jaws; so is it a bug or not? - Jaws doesn't TF run on my Chinese Windows, so I cannot test it myself. I don't really know what you mean by standard that doesn't require training, so can't say for sure if this is a bug and where it lies. The controls in the dispatcher are non-windows-standard, I meant the Windows-Standards that Joe has already referred me to. I just thought when they are adhered to, a training is not necessary any more. Never mind. which means that a screen reader could have difficulties recognizing controls for what they are. In Jaws, it was possible to label the graphics for checked and unchecked status, thereby one could get the right info, in Hal, it's a little bit trickier, see below. Why do you say it was possible? Is it not possible any more, or do you just mean you are not using Jaws any more? I've not examined the trainability options in Hal 5.21, TF I'm looking forward to your report. I will also check out whether Hal TF runs on my computer (if they offer a trial version, that is). They indeed offer a demo version so it shouldn't be any problems Will look into it soon, thanks. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Subway: We Are Not Public Transportation, Dammit Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Pranav, On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:30:31 +0530 GMT (25/09/2003, 16:00 +0700 GMT), Pranav Lal wrote: How do I disable the HTML viewer? Options / Preferences / Viewer/Editor. Ups, another dialog in which tabbing goes crisscrossing over the whole screen. Will add that to the list. But there are 4 drop-down boxes, those are the ones. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. What to not say to the nice policeman: I was going to be a cop, but I decided to finish high school instead. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 26 Sep 2003 10:37:19 (my local time 05:37:19), you typed: TF Also, if you [X] Add to Addressgroup, the Group Selector can only be TF reached with the mouse, and also only if you have labeled the graphic TF first. And then you have to hit tab 13 (!) times to reach the Items TF field. This is also true when making an auto-reply. Only the check box is visible and then you'll have to fiddle around with the mouse a bit to find the button for the template dialog. It's doable, but could get better. TF Message Depatcher: TF List boxes can still not be seen. Correction: the list boxes are perfectly navigable, but the check boxes for read, open, delete and fetch aren't recognized. This was trainable in Jaws by labeling the graphics for checked and unchecked. I've not examined the trainability options in Hal 5.21, (http://www.dolphinuk.co.uk) the screen reader i'm using, but i will and get back with a report on how this goes. It's interesting to see peoples different needs. It's so easy even for a blind person like myself to assume that *all* blind have almost the same needs, but that's not true. I fore one am not that interested in the html piece of things, while others apparently are. It would of course be nice to have access even to html, but i really don't think it's top priority, unless of course there's a way to add urls to IE or NS favourites, which i don't think there is. - -- - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.6, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/c/2WODlJeoMTOQsRAk6fAJwOwVCT6KHVXL/9DlPVH42HhTnY2gCffb+a G5TQ9QKQCawCtWEDlTDz14I= =zcxr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Krister, On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:49:15 +0200 GMT (26/09/2003, 15:49 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: TF Also, if you [X] Add to Addressgroup, the Group Selector can only be TF reached with the mouse, and also only if you have labeled the graphic TF first. And then you have to hit tab 13 (!) times to reach the Items TF field. This is also true when making an auto-reply. Only the check box is visible and then you'll have to fiddle around with the mouse a bit to find the button for the template dialog. It's doable, but could get better. I will just put in the bug report that tab doesn't do what it should, and they should review all of the dialogs. Will that be OK? - I think they forgot this little detail when they rewrote most of the code... TF Message Depatcher: TF List boxes can still not be seen. Correction: the list boxes are perfectly navigable, but the check boxes for read, open, delete and fetch aren't recognized. This was trainable in Jaws by labeling the graphics for checked and unchecked. Hm. I have reports from Jaws users that the Mail Despatcher is pretty unusable for them. But I understand that there is a standard which doesn't require to train Jaws; so is it a bug or not? - Jaws doesn't run on my Chinese Windows, so I cannot test it myself. I've not examined the trainability options in Hal 5.21, (http://www.dolphinuk.co.uk) the screen reader i'm using, but i will and get back with a report on how this goes. I'm looking forward to your report. I will also check out whether Hal runs on my computer (if they offer a trial version, that is). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. MegaHertz - a VERY large car rental company. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Thomas, Friday, September 26, 2003, 5:29:55 PM, you wrote: [...] trainable in Jaws by labeling the graphics for checked and unchecked. TF Hm. I have reports from Jaws users that the Mail Despatcher is pretty TF unusable for them. But I understand that there is a standard which TF doesn't require to train Jaws; so is it a bug or not? - Jaws doesn't TF run on my Chinese Windows, so I cannot test it myself. Not just Jaws but any new windows screen reader. This is called MS Active Accessability (MSAA), and is how we generally read web pages. Hope this helps, Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Andrew, On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:46:30 +0100 GMT (27/09/2003, 00:46 +0700 GMT), Andrew Hodgson wrote: Not just Jaws but any new windows screen reader. This is called MS Active Accessability (MSAA), and is how we generally read web pages. I know this was posted before, but do you have the direct link to MSAA handy? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. My parents put us to sleep by tossing us up in the air. Of course, you have to have low ceilings for this method to work. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Pranav, Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 11:55:11 PM, you wrote: PL Hi all, PL Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows PL (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes (http://www.gwmicro.com) PL with TheBat? Yes! I am using Jaws 4.51 from www.freedomscientific.com, and Hal v5.20 from www.dolphinuk.com. Hope this helps, Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Thomas, This is very encouraging. Thus far, I have not had any access issues. I was wondering if there were any settings that I should set to ensure the best operation with a screen reader? For a start, I have disabled the email ticker. I am using JFW v4.51.119. Pranav Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Pranav, Thursday, September 25, 2003, 7:50:26 AM, you wrote: PL Hi Thomas, PL This is very encouraging. Thus far, I have not had any access issues. I was PL wondering if there were any settings that I should set to ensure the best PL operation with a screen reader? The only other access adjustment I did was to disable the HTML viewer so that HTML messages are viewed in the plaintext editor which is accessible. Andrew. -- Best regards, Andrew Hodgson, Bromyard, Herefordshire, UK. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Pranav, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 25 Sep 2003 04:25:11 (my local time 00:55:11), you typed: PL Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows PL (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes (http://www.gwmicro.com) PL with TheBat? I have used TB with both Jaws for Windows and Hal 5.21. For the latter screen reader there's even a map (script or set) file provided. I've made some modifications to it and now TB works like a champ. The only things i'd like to possibly see changed are the list boxes in for example the message dispatcher, where there are check boxes that neither Hal or Jaws recognize propperly and also i would like to se an option at installation time whether i want to disable the mail ticker, since this doesn't work particularly well with screen readers. - -- - -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V2.00.6, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-nr2 (Windows XP) iD8DBQE/cp/QODlJeoMTOQsRAlkvAJ9dO3Flr9J3eejsESGqORfxDNJOwwCeIk5b V6FuN0v2OiaDAFmeyFXvux8= =2Qf7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Krister, On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:56:50 +0200 GMT (25/09/2003, 14:56 +0700 GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: I have used TB with both Jaws for Windows and Hal 5.21. For the latter screen reader there's even a map (script or set) file provided. Good to know about the scripts for Hal. For Jaws, there are still the 2-year-old scripts at http://www.boerrigter.de/ - albeit the website is only in German. The only things i'd like to possibly see changed are the list boxes in for example the message dispatcher, where there are check boxes that neither Hal or Jaws recognize propperly I have added that to the list I am currently compiling for the wishlist. and also i would like to se an option at installation time whether i want to disable the mail ticker, Added as well. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Sea captians don't like crew cuts. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Pranav, Le jeudi 25 septembre 2003 à 00:55:11, vous écriviez : PL Hi all, PL Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows PL (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes (http://www.gwmicro.com) PL with TheBat? Personally I used to work with Jaws and nextly I will work with Window-Eyes. It's true than we can use the bat! with jaws or any screen readers if we create custom settings a bit. But I'm not totally aggree with Thomas Fernandez when he said that jaws works perfectly with the bat!. In fact we can use it but I think we could greatly improve the accessibility of the bat! by making it Ms accessibility compliant in order to use the Ritlabs Html engine or if we can identify with tooltips all icons in the program. Few days ago I wrote to Maxim Masiutin and suggest him several things. here is a part of our discussion : Hi Max, Le lundi 22 septembre 2003 à 16:22:35, vous écriviez : MM Could you please send us your screen reader software, to make MM us able to try? You can download a demo copy of Jaws at http://www.hj.com and/or Window-eyes at http://www.gwmicro.com. MM How do you read text in Microsoft Internet MM Explorer, there is also no cursor there. Yes, but in this case screen readers rely on Microsoft Active accessibility (you can obtain information at http://www.microsoft.com/enable or msdn). Or you could either : - customize the html component used in the bat! enabling the cursor caret. Then we could be able to read html message and scroll them because screen readers could then track the cursor properly, - or letting optionnally the ability to activate the Microsoft Html renderer engine. Could you please take me aware of your investigation concerning this part of the development please ? And it would also be very interesting if we could access to the toolbars, the mailticker and so on... I truely hope that Ritlabs will make an effort in this direction. -- Greetings, The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi Andrew, snip The only other access adjustment I did was to disable the HTML viewer so that HTML messages are viewed in the plaintext editor How do I disable the HTML viewer? Pranav Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Claude, On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:33:56 +0200 GMT (26/09/2003, 02:33 +0700 GMT), Claude Renaud wrote: But I'm not totally aggree with Thomas Fernandez when he said that jaws works perfectly with the bat!. Not perfectly, but pretty well. Here are the suggestions for TB that I have compiled so far: Sorting Office / Filters: 1.) Filter tab String / Location cannot be reached by tab. In fact, if you are in the string field String and then use right-arrow (instead of tab), you reach Location. Tab skips it. And then, Location doesn't show as a drop-down box but as a list box. Same for Presence. Cannot be reached by tab and shows as a list box, not a drop-down box. 2.) Alternatives tab The buttons Add Set / Delete Set cannot be reached by tab. 3.) Actions tab Tabbing through the Actions, the order is is quite confusing. Try it... Also, if you [X] Add to Addressgroup, the Group Selector can only be reached with the mouse, and also only if you have labeled the graphic first. And then you have to hit tab 13 (!) times to reach the Items field. 4.) Advanced tab Tabbing through it reveals an unusual order as well. Mark Address must not be listed in the address book, and the next tab stop is Time Interval before you get back to the option to search only in this group. So much for the Sorting Office alone. Message Depatcher: List boxes can still not be seen. Mail ticker: There should be an option, when first installing TB, to not instyall the mail ticker, as it interferes with screenreaders and new users often don't know what might be wrong. *** If I have left anything out, please let me know. I am planning to add it to the bugtracker within the next days. I am also cross-posting this message to TBBETA, as I think the thread is more appropriate there than here. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody. - Bill Cosby Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Pranav, On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 04:25:11 +0530 GMT (25/09/2003, 05:55 +0700 GMT), Pranav Lal wrote: Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes (http://www.gwmicro.com) with TheBat? Several people are. I know that TB works very well with Jaws. There are also WindowEyes users on this list. What is your question? Just fire away. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. ZWIEBELN statt Kiwis kaufen! Sie sind laenger haltbar und ausserdem preiswerter. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.00.6 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
