Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

[Mike Smith]

At Thursday, May 2, 2002, 5:55:20 PM, Alexis wrote:
> Bonjour Michael,

> Mercredi, le 01 mai 2002 à 23h44 [GMT -0700] (ce qui correspond à
> 08h44 ici où j'habite), Michael L. Wilson =[MLW] a écrit à [EMAIL PROTECTED] :
MLW>> Microsoft Product for email, so to keep the discussion going, I have no 
MLW>> choice but Eudora.

> no you could try pocomail http://www.pocomail.com/ .
> A very great MUA like TB! but respect completly RFC standard (mailbox
> (type RFC 2822, little like eudora) and all configuration and
> adressbook in plaintext; and in other hand respect also her
> custommers...

Poco was what I used before switching to TheBat.  IIRC, it stuffed up
quoting on messages that were replied to a lot (this was over a year
ago) and a mailing list I subscribed to threatened to excommunicate me
if I didn't fix it...  Possibly it got fixed.


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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

[Mike Smith]

At Thursday, May 2, 2002, 9:39:45 PM, Michael wrote:
> Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 10:12:33 PM, Marck scribbled:

MDP>> Sounds like you've got something weird in your startup procedure or
MDP>> some kind of fail-safe restoring the registry behind your back.
MDP>> Whatever. It's nothing to do with The Bat! The Bat! is the victim, not
MDP>> the culprit.

> When I worked at a large fast-food place, they had something like
> that. It would check the PC each morning and remove "unauthorized"
> software. It was stopped after the CEO lost his Palm desktop and sync
> software.

SysAdmins tend to be a menace.  Safer to remove their rights to write
to your registry and disks, especially if you write code.


This might help identify the culprit - it displays registry activity
as it happens, with the process that did it.


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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

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Ok, if your folders are missing presumably you know some of their
names...
Why not just do a simple search for a few of them to see where they
are and whats in them...
Once you know where they are and they arent all zapped, getting the
bat to realise its looking in the wrong place (likely a user error!!),
it can be fixed...
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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

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>>This classically sounds like a problem with the registry. TB! stores
>>the path to all accounts in the registry. Do you keep your accounts
>>in the default location or do you have them elsewhere on the system??

MLW> I use everything default for the Bat.  what it wants, it gets.

Wow. Then this one is a scorcher.

Tell you what. When TB! starts and your mail is gone, take a look in
the registry and go to

HKCU/Software/RIT/The Bat!

Look for a entry called 'Working Directory'. Does the value correspond
with your current installation path to \The Bat!\Mail?

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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

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Hello Michael L. Wilson,
On Thu, 02 May 2002 14:50:09 -0700 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, May 3, 2002, 4:50:09 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Michael L. Wilson wrote:


> Ok, I agree, let's fix it.

> Michael

> P.S.  if you come in in the morning and turn on your computer and all your 
> documents and spreadsheets are gone.  Everything works fine, just your data 
> is missing.  Would the fact that you have a virus ever enter your mind?

No, and I had it happen once after an install. All it means is a
pointer somewhere to the wrong place and if it can be pinpointed what
caused it, well, it could be fixed.
if your mail disappears its caused by something but for sure its not a
virus...


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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

[Michael L. Wilson]

Wow, someone believes me.

Michael

At 05:32 PM 5/2/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>On Thursday, May 02, 2002, Michael L. Wilson wrote...
>
> > The program is there.  The bat works 100% (after I re-setup the
> > information).  Only the data is destroyed.
>
> > Michael
>
>Probably a little late in on this thread, just joined.  I was thinking
>this was odd behaviour, not seeing it happen before, or not known any
>reason to cause it... then I changed a setting, and all BUT one folder
>in one specific Account folder emptied, and vanished from the file.
>The setting I changed was the "Use this account for mailto:"; from one
>of the other accounts to this particular account.  Thankfully all the
>mail in this Account has been read/answered and no longer important...
>plus I have a backup at home on my mail server ;)  Might be something
>the coders want to look into.  I'm running 1.60c, WinXP, and was just
>about to post something about odd folder behaviour... I'll do that
>when I've restored my emails ;)
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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Thursday, May 02, 2002, Michael L. Wilson wrote...

> The program is there.  The bat works 100% (after I re-setup the
> information).  Only the data is destroyed.

> Michael

Probably a little late in on this thread, just joined.  I was thinking
this was odd behaviour, not seeing it happen before, or not known any
reason to cause it... then I changed a setting, and all BUT one folder
in one specific Account folder emptied, and vanished from the file.
The setting I changed was the "Use this account for mailto:"; from one
of the other accounts to this particular account.  Thankfully all the
mail in this Account has been read/answered and no longer important...
plus I have a backup at home on my mail server ;)  Might be something
the coders want to look into.  I'm running 1.60c, WinXP, and was just
about to post something about odd folder behaviour... I'll do that
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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

[Michael L. Wilson]

The program is there.  The bat works 100% (after I re-setup the 
information).  Only the data is destroyed.

Michael

At 03:33 PM 5/2/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>Hello Michael!
>
>On Thursday, May 2, 2002 at 5:02:00 AM you wrote:
>
> > Ever since 1.60h, after every power-cycle, all registry entries for The 
> Bat
> > are gone.  All mail is gone, all folders are gone.  I deleted everything
> > and went back to 1.60c, and the same thing occurs.  Therefore, I am,
> > deleting the bat, never to return.  The bat is a virus.
>
>Since when are viruses harming themselves?
>
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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

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At 05:48 AM 5/2/2002 -0500, you wrote:
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>MLW> Messages have been posted about this and no help. The fact that I
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>MLW> makes it difficult to interact. Any help? Give it. I'll listen
>MLW> and try it. I refuse to use a Microsoft Product for email, so to
>MLW> keep the discussion going, I have no choice but Eudora.
>
>This classically sounds like a problem with the registry. TB! stores
>the path to all accounts in the registry. Do you keep your accounts
>in the default location or do you have them elsewhere on the system??

I use everything default for the Bat.  what it wants, it gets.



>You need to tell us more about your system. What OS are you 
>running?  Windows XP Pro
>Is the system running perfectly well otherwise. Are you having
>problems with any other applications retaining their settings between
>reboots? PERFECT otherwise
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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

[Michael L. Wilson]

Ok, I agree, let's fix it.

Michael

P.S.  if you come in in the morning and turn on your computer and all your 
documents and spreadsheets are gone.  Everything works fine, just your data 
is missing.  Would the fact that you have a virus ever enter your mind?

At 09:25 AM 5/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello Michael. Sorry for your problems however I think your
>conclusion is not accurate.
>
>At 11:02 PM on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 you wrote the
>following about [The bat is a virus.  goodbye]:
>
>Michael> Ever since 1.60h, after every power-cycle, all
>Michael> registry entries for The Bat are gone. All mail is
>Michael> gone, all folders are gone. I deleted everything
>Michael> and went back to 1.60c, and the same thing occurs.
>Michael> Therefore, I am, deleting the bat, never to return.
>Michael> The bat is a virus.
>
>   Based on your conclusion, there are hundreds, if not
>   thousands, of us who have this virus. Nothing much
>   happening on my system [for one] so the logical conclusion
>   may be that there is a problem on your particular system.
>
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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

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At 10:13 AM 5/2/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>Hello Michael,
>
>On Wed, 01 May 2002 20:02:00 -0700GMT (2-5-02, 5:02 +0200GMT, where I
>live), you wrote:
>
>MLW> Ever since 1.60h, after every power-cycle, all registry entries for 
>The Bat
>MLW> are gone.  All mail is gone, all folders are gone.  I deleted everything
>MLW> and went back to 1.60c, and the same thing occurs.  Therefore, I am,
>MLW> deleting the bat, never to return.  The bat is a virus.
>
>Did you recently do any virus scans?  Yes, Norton AntiVirus, two days 
>before 1.60h and and hour after my email disappeared.
>Do you run any software to clean the registry or to install/uninstall.
>programs automatically? No.
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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

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Hello Michael L. Wilson,
On Wed, 01 May 2002 23:44:36 -0700 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, May 2, 2002, 1:44:36 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Michael L. Wilson wrote:


> Messages have been posted about this and no help.  The fact that I have to 
> rebuild me entire message base just to read the posts makes it difficult to 
> interact.  Any help?  Give it.  I'll listen and try it.  I refuse to use a 
> Microsoft Product for email, so to keep the discussion going, I have no 
> choice but Eudora.

Why instead of blaming the Bat to be a virus which it isnt, donot you
supply details?
The bat is great to prevent infections, and for sure it isnt.
If you have problems like you mention you have a major system problem.
But it isnt the Bat...

If I got stuck like that I would seriously consider a reformat and
clean install...

What OS, and what other things are you running??

Anyway consider that with your system being sick even if you blame the
bBat, you likely get zapped again whatever you are running...
You need to find the cause or just start clean.
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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

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Hello Michael Disabato,
On Thu, 2 May 2002 06:39:45 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, May 2, 2002, 6:39:45 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Michael Disabato wrote:


> Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 10:12:33 PM, Marck scribbled:

MDP>> Sounds like you've got something weird in your startup procedure or
MDP>> some kind of fail-safe restoring the registry behind your back.
MDP>> Whatever. It's nothing to do with The Bat! The Bat! is the victim, not
MDP>> the culprit.

> When I worked at a large fast-food place, they had something like
> that. It would check the PC each morning and remove "unauthorized"
> software. It was stopped after the CEO lost his Palm desktop and sync
> software.

  I myself had a whole company setup this way as it proved to be
  impossible to convince the users NOT to mess up the root node and
  other places they had no need to store anything
  In short anything on C:\ which didnt belong there got zapped
  Any directory in program files not supposed to be there, the same...
  management supported it and after a few hickups and complaints after
  which the guys causing the problem got kicked from above situation
  improved and when I deactivated it slowly based on behaviour, no
  problem...

  Ceo's losing their data, well most have no business using a computer,
  too old/dumb for it(g).
  AND rarely listening to advice..
  Secondly hanging laptops and palms donot belong on a company
  network, they are a security network, especially if the owners do
  what they want...

  One guy here is slowly learning here that every time he logs on he
  gets zapped by the latest virus around... Luckily he can read from but
  not write to the network...


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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Michael!

On Thursday, May 2, 2002 at 5:02:00 AM you wrote:

> Greetings,
> Ever since 1.60h, after every power-cycle, all registry entries for The Bat 
> are gone.  All mail is gone, all folders are gone.  I deleted everything 
> and went back to 1.60c, and the same thing occurs.  Therefore, I am, 
> deleting the bat, never to return.  The bat is a virus.

> Michael Wilson


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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Michael!

On Thursday, May 2, 2002 at 5:02:00 AM you wrote:

> Ever since 1.60h, after every power-cycle, all registry entries for The Bat 
> are gone.  All mail is gone, all folders are gone.  I deleted everything 
> and went back to 1.60c, and the same thing occurs.  Therefore, I am, 
> deleting the bat, never to return.  The bat is a virus.

Since when are viruses harming themselves?


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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Michael. Sorry for your problems however I think your
conclusion is not accurate.

At 11:02 PM on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 you wrote the
following about [The bat is a virus.  goodbye]:

Michael> Ever since 1.60h, after every power-cycle, all
Michael> registry entries for The Bat are gone. All mail is
Michael> gone, all folders are gone. I deleted everything
Michael> and went back to 1.60c, and the same thing occurs.
Michael> Therefore, I am, deleting the bat, never to return.
Michael> The bat is a virus.

  Based on your conclusion, there are hundreds, if not
  thousands, of us who have this virus. Nothing much
  happening on my system [for one] so the logical conclusion
  may be that there is a problem on your particular system.

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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

[Michael Disabato]

Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 10:12:33 PM, Marck scribbled:

MDP> Sounds like you've got something weird in your startup procedure or
MDP> some kind of fail-safe restoring the registry behind your back.
MDP> Whatever. It's nothing to do with The Bat! The Bat! is the victim, not
MDP> the culprit.

When I worked at a large fast-food place, they had something like
that. It would check the PC each morning and remove "unauthorized"
software. It was stopped after the CEO lost his Palm desktop and sync
software.

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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

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Michael L. Wilson [MLW] wrote:
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MLW> Messages have been posted about this and no help. The fact that I
MLW> have to rebuild me entire message base just to read the posts
MLW> makes it difficult to interact. Any help? Give it. I'll listen
MLW> and try it. I refuse to use a Microsoft Product for email, so to
MLW> keep the discussion going, I have no choice but Eudora.

This classically sounds like a problem with the registry. TB! stores
the path to all accounts in the registry. Do you keep your accounts
in the default location or do you have them elsewhere on the system??

You need to tell us more about your system. What OS are you running?
Is the system running perfectly well otherwise. Are you having
problems with any other applications retaining their settings between
reboots?

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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Michael,

On Wed, 01 May 2002 20:02:00 -0700GMT (2-5-02, 5:02 +0200GMT, where I
live), you wrote:

MLW> Ever since 1.60h, after every power-cycle, all registry entries for The Bat 
MLW> are gone.  All mail is gone, all folders are gone.  I deleted everything 
MLW> and went back to 1.60c, and the same thing occurs.  Therefore, I am, 
MLW> deleting the bat, never to return.  The bat is a virus.

Did you recently do any virus scans?
Do you run any software to clean the registry or to install/uninstall
programs automatically?

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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

[Michael L. Wilson]

Messages have been posted about this and no help.  The fact that I have to 
rebuild me entire message base just to read the posts makes it difficult to 
interact.  Any help?  Give it.  I'll listen and try it.  I refuse to use a 
Microsoft Product for email, so to keep the discussion going, I have no 
choice but Eudora.

Michael

At 04:12 AM 5/2/2002 +0100, you wrote:
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>@02 May 2002, 20:02:00 -0700 (04:02 UK time) Michael L. Wilson wrote
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>
> > Ever since 1.60h, after every power-cycle, all registry entries for
> > The Bat are gone.  All mail is gone, all folders are gone.  I
> > deleted everything  and went back to 1.60c, and the same thing
> > occurs.
>
>Sounds like you've got something weird in your startup procedure or
>some kind of fail-safe restoring the registry behind your back.
>Whatever. It's nothing to do with The Bat! The Bat! is the victim, not
>the culprit.
>
> > Therefore, I am,  deleting the bat, never to return.
>
>As you wish. Eudora is a bit of a silly choice, but each to their own
>I guess.
>
> > The bat is a virus.
>
>LOL! Now you're being ridiculous! Hey - perhaps SpamKiller did it?
>
>
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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

[Michael L. Wilson]

Greetings,
I have been a TB user for years.  I love it.  I use it all the time.  I 
even tried some beta releases with never a major problem.  I download 1.60h 
and the next day (after my computer has been off all night), I turn it on 
and all my mail is gone.  I have backed up my TBB files, so I rebuild 
everything.  Next day, all my mail is gone.  So, I uninstall everything, 
delete the directory and install 1.60c and rebuild (by this time, two of my 
TBB message files will not import into 1.60c).  The next day, all my mail 
is gone.  You tell me...

Michael

At 09:41 PM 5/1/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>On Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 8:02:00 PM, Michael L. Wilson wrote:
>
>
> > Ever since 1.60h, after every power-cycle, all registry entries for The 
> Bat
> > are gone.  All mail is gone, all folders are gone.  I deleted everything
> > and went back to 1.60c, and the same thing occurs.  Therefore, I am,
> > deleting the bat, never to return.  The bat is a virus.
>
>Michael,  this could be any number of things...you should stick with it and
>ask some questions of the list...you'd certainly get some help.  I bet it
>has more to do with settings on your computer/OS than it does with TB!.
>
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>  Mattmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

[Matt Thoene]

On Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 8:02:00 PM, Michael L. Wilson wrote:


> Ever since 1.60h, after every power-cycle, all registry entries for The Bat 
> are gone.  All mail is gone, all folders are gone.  I deleted everything 
> and went back to 1.60c, and the same thing occurs.  Therefore, I am, 
> deleting the bat, never to return.  The bat is a virus.

Michael,  this could be any number of things...you should stick with it and
ask some questions of the list...you'd certainly get some help.  I bet it
has more to do with settings on your computer/OS than it does with TB!.

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Re: The bat is a virus. goodbye

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Michael,

@02 May 2002, 20:02:00 -0700 (04:02 UK time) Michael L. Wilson wrote
in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Ever since 1.60h, after every power-cycle, all registry entries for
> The Bat are gone.  All mail is gone, all folders are gone.  I
> deleted everything  and went back to 1.60c, and the same thing
> occurs.

Sounds like you've got something weird in your startup procedure or
some kind of fail-safe restoring the registry behind your back.
Whatever. It's nothing to do with The Bat! The Bat! is the victim, not
the culprit.

> Therefore, I am,  deleting the bat, never to return.

As you wish. Eudora is a bit of a silly choice, but each to their own
I guess.

> The bat is a virus.

LOL! Now you're being ridiculous! Hey - perhaps SpamKiller did it?


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