Re: filter problems and questions.
On 22-09-2000, 02:02:53 +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: IMHO this type of address based filtering can be accomplished in an easier and more convenient way by using the Address Book as a filter source. That's quite a pearl. Thank you! Not because I want to filter out spam this way - addresses change to often to make this worthwile, IMO, and manual cleaning is just fine - but because you just opened my eyes to a new concept. Yep, you got the idea. This *is* a nice feat of TB: the ability to combine address book, group addresses and filters into an automatic task. That's exactly what I like about it. However during my explorations in The Bat Cave I've found a lot of strange inconsistencies, design flaws and bugs in the program that have tempered my enthusiasm a bit. To name an example: the Unix mailbox import tool is still rather useless because it doesn't recognize lines beginning with "From " in the message body-text correctly. (No need to say more...) And here's another weird one: open a message in the "View Folder [ ] of [ ]" window, select the "Navigation" menu and compare shortcuts for "Follow next/previous" and "Delete and follow next/previous". Arjan -- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: filter problems and questions.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Karin, On Wednesday, September 20, 2000, Karin Spaink wrote: After reading this I was wondering: to just add the latest intruder to the existing spam filter? KS Yes, by adding it's characteristic trait in the filter, KS using the "Alternatives"tab (I just learnt this myself). It KS adds rules, and treats the victims in the same fashion as KS the general (or first) rule). How do you add the spam addresses to the filter in the alternatives? Manually or do you let the filter add them? (and how off course ;-) ) Cheers, Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Lister: Why do we never meet anyone nice? Cat:Why is it we never meet anyone who can shoot straight? ((C) Red Dwarf, "Quarantine") - ---Using The Bat! 1.45 under Windows 95 4.0 Build -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOcoz3ptVOcettUE+EQKiZgCfRBOHp/N9nRVTzL8Z3BcGteGL+EUAnAjP nhhUjieW/hAdT62TPo1zImny =S+vW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: filter problems and questions.
On 21-09-2000 at 19:14, Marcel kindly wrote: On Wednesday, September 20, 2000, Karin Spaink wrote: to just add the latest intruder to the existing spam filter? KS by adding its characteristic trait in the filter, KS using the "Alternatives"tab (I just learnt this myself). It KS adds rules, and treats the victims in the same fashion as KS the general (or first) rule). How do you add the spam addresses to the filter in the alternatives? Manually or do you let the filter add them? (and how off course ;-) ) I'm not so sure that it's a good idea to add a rule for each and every spam address: there are simply to many addresses from which spam is sent, and they change, so you end up with a huge list of which most (if not all) addresses are obsolete. But the trick is simple. Imagine that you have a filter that sends incoming mail straight to trash, based on an address (e.g. you want to send all my mail right to the bin), here's how you do it: Go to "Account" - "Sorting Office/Filters"; Select the Incoming Mail folder; Click on New; Type a name for the rule (e.g. TrashMail) Keep "Source Folder" on Inbox (this is where you filter from) For "Move Message To Folder", click on the icon to the right of the grey box and select Trash (this is where you filter too); Under "Filtering Strings", type [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the grey box Under "Location", leave "Sender" as is (if you want to select another header to filter on. click on sender and change to the appropriate one; Leave Presence on Yes. Make sure that the Rule is Active box is checked. There. All mail from me will go to Trash upon receipt. If you now want to widen the extend of this filter and want to give other people the same treatment, you open this filter TrashMail, click on the second (Alternatives) box and click Add Set. Same as before: Under "Filtering Strings", type the next-to-be-trashed-address in the grey box, e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Leave "Sender" as is (if you want to select another header to filter on. click on sender and change to the appropriate one; Leave Presence on Yes. Now all mail that you get from these two addresses will be thrashed. Please note that you can be more precise with headers when you select "Kludges" under Location, and in the grey box you copy the exact header that you want to filter on, e.g. X-Mailer: Eudora when you don't want to receive _any_ mail from anybody who uses Eudora. - K - -- As you go on living with someone, you slowly lose the power to make them happy, while your capacity to hurt them remains undiminished. - Julian Barnes: Talking it Over -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: filter problems and questions.
On 22-09-2000 at 01:34, Arjan de Groot kindly wrote: On 21-09-2000, 23:11:15 +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: But the trick is simple. Imagine that you have a filter that sends incoming mail straight to trash, based on an address (e.g. you want to send all my mail right to the bin), here's how you do it: IMHO this type of address based filtering can be accomplished in an easier and more convenient way by using the Address Book as a filter source. That's quite a pearl. Thank you! Not because I want to filter out spam this way - addresses change to often to make this worthwile, IMO, and manual cleaning is just fine - but because you just opened my eyes to a new concept. This *is* a nice feat of TB: the ability to combine address book, group addresses and filters into an automatic task. -- Arjan vragen, altijd slagen. grin - K - -- Another complication is that the subconscious mind is always changin'. Like an encyclopaedia that keeps puttin' out a whole new edition every day. - Haruki Murakami: The Hard-Boiled Wonderland -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: filter problems and questions.
On 20-09-2000 at 04:03, Januk Aggarwal kindly wrote: Karin Spaink typed: Yes, do check it on other filters as well. Having it unchecked means that once this particular filter has been invoked, TB stops filtering -- while you a\want it to go on to the next mail and the next filter. I think you may have misunderstood the "continue processing" option. Ah, so indeed I misunderstood that one. I applied my Eudora knowledge Thanks for the info. - K - -- As you go on living with someone, you slowly lose the power to make them happy, while your capacity to hurt them remains undiminished. - Julian Barnes: Talking it Over -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: filter problems and questions.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:49:49 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote: KE If i might go in here, one way to do it is to make a rule based on KE the incoming message which is considered as spam and uncheck the KE sender and recipient boxes and check the subject box. Another way KE that i tried, (it didn't work so well) was to filter a message where KE my name wasn't in the kludges to a spam folder. For some reason, it KE just caught one or two of say five... Oh well those spammers... This is exactly the principle behind the method that I use. Most spam is never addressed to you specifically, but so is discussion list mail and subscribership messages etc. So I filter out all the legitimate mail not directly addressed to me and filter out the mail addressed to me. What is left behind is almost fully spam. I then create a final filter to catch all these 'junk' messages, placing them in my spam folder and marking them as read. I check the folder periodically to see if any innocents have been caught, a rare event nowadays. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "How to Catch Worms by Earl E. Bird " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcj4K/AXeSHuB5k3EQLYrgCg3Q2VwPDplaRXQZ8Ns+vcoG85yroAoLXB 4/FoCIvdMUmaG9g8QzejTgQj =R0en -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: filter problems and questions.
On Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 2:54:42 PM, jbelk wrote: I want ALL mail that does NOT have my address in the To: or CC: fields to be filed in trash. Destination folder (Move messages to): Trash String LocationPresence [EMAIL PROTECTED]Recipient No If you don't want to send them to the Trash folder, you may select "Delete the message" in the "Actions" pane. If you don't want to download them at all, create a "Selective Download" filter instead of an "Incoming Mail" filter. I want email with TBUDL in the Subject line to go to the TBUDL folder. Destination folder (Move messages to): TBUDL String LocationPresence TBUDL Sender Yes You might need to examine the headers of messages from other mailing lists to decide which is the best testing location. Is there some kind of secret to this? TB's filtering function is quite advanced and can be complex sometimes, but what you want so far is quite simple. The FAQ (http://www.marckp.redhotant.com/thebat/faq.html) has a "How do I" section which provides an in-depth guide to filtering (and many other topics) in TB. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.47 Beta/3 | Win2k SP1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: filter problems and questions.
On 19-09-2000 at 23:54, jbelk kindly wrote: First question in what has become an email Jihad. I plead guilty ;-) I want ALL mail that does NOT have my address in the To: or CC: fields to be filed in trash. I want email with TBUDL in the Subject line to go to the TBUDL folder. Take great care what you're doing, and in what order you set up your folders. For one: TBUDL mail doesn't have you in the To-field: it says "To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]". So you would need to have that filter before the others. With your wishes, I'd go for an order like: 1. Filter all To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to my TB folder 2. Filter all my other mailinglists to my other mailinglist folders 3. Filter all not To: me [EMAIL PROTECTED] to trash. If you'd have the third filter as number one, _everything_ that is not strict;y addressed to you will immediatel go to Trash, and that you certainly don't want. To set up a TB filter, go to Accounts in the main window, chose Sorting Office/Filters, open Incoming Mail, select New. In the window that opens, give the filter a name: e.g. TheBat. Source folder (i.e. the place that the filtering needs to start in) is Inbox. Point Move Messages to the flder where you keep your TB mail. Under strings, you add [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; under Location, you select Sender (another criterium is possible too: Receiver, for instance, and then use the same string). Under Presence, keep it at yes. Mske sure that the Rule Is Active box is ticked. Go to the Options tab and tick Continue Processing With Other Folders. Done. Now you have a basic filter that automatically moves your TB mail to your TB folder. Do the same for other mailinglists that you are on (very often they don't list _you_ in the To: field, but use the mailing list address), and *only then* add the filter that makes everything that has NOT you in the To: field move to trash: String: ![EMAIL PROTECTED] (don't forget the !, it means: not) Location: Recipient Presence: yes And have those move to Trash. I'd very much advise you to carefully look at your Trash in the following days, and when you find something that _is_ inded meant for you, make a new filter for that, or adjust existing ones. Is there some kind of secret to this? The big secret -- but it is not well-kept - is the order of filters. You can move them up and down in the Filter Menus. Try to fiddle a bit and watch the results. - K - -- Zwei Dinge sind unendlich: Die Dummheit und das All Nur die Liebe und das Wetter hören nimmer, nimmer auf - Einstürzende Neubauten: Was ist ist -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: filter problems and questions.
On 20-09-2000 at 02:38, jbelk kindly wrote: Hey Karin, Karin If you'd have the third filter as number one, _everything_ Karin that is not strictly addressed to you will immediately go to Karin Trash, and that you certainly don't want. Judging by what I usually receive it wouldn't be a lick amiss. Ah, but the person who asked said that they wanted to g every mail that didn't list them -personally_ in the To: filed go to Trash. Look at the TB mail: it doesn't list you in the To: field. And I must admit I am a tad amazed. I have been on the net since 1994 and have quite a presence on Usenet. Yes, I receive spam, but usally not more than 5 to 10 per day. Doesn't mean that I like it, but it's not that bad. KarinGo to the Options tab and tick Continue Processing With Karin Other Folders. First, I've heard of this. It seems to not be the default but is necessary to make the filter work right. I re-read the help files and didn't see it there. Should this box be checked on all filters? OR just all but the last one? Yes, do check it on other filters as well. Having it unchecked means that once this particular filter has been invoked, TB stops filtering -- while you a\want it to go on to the next mail and the next filter. Karin Done. Now you have a basic filter that automatically moves Karin your TB mail to your TB folder. It actually WORKS! grin Imagine me telling you how to filter. I only downloaded TB for evaluation purposes this Saturday ;-) Karin Do the same for other mailinglists that you are on (very Karin often they don't list _you_ in the To: field, but use the Karin mailing list address), and *only then* add the filter that Karin makes everything that has NOT you in the To: field move to Karin trash: KarinString: ![EMAIL PROTECTED] (don't forget the !, it Karin means: not) KarinLocation: Recipient KarinPresence: yes Karin And have those move to Trash. This sure is counter intuitive to my way of thinking. The FIRST filter I set up in any program is one that blocks the hundreds of spam messages that flood all email addys that have been around for a while. In that case, make a filter containing the _old_ e-mail addys and have them go to Trash straight away... Is it a bug to add new filters at the bottom of the list?? No, but how can TB decide for you what order you want your filters to be in? And what is the difference between the "!address" and "Presence: No ?" Seems to me it's the same thing just more convoluted. You're right. Use "Presence: no". The "!" means 'not', but TB accomodates for that expression. Karin I'd very much advise you to carefully look at your Trash in Karin the following days, and when you find something that _is_ Karin inded meant for you, make a new filter for that, or adjust Karin existing ones. So does this mean every time a new spam sneaks through existing filters I'll have to create a new filter for it, open the Sorting Office/Filters and move the new filter somewhere else? I was advising about checking in Trash -- perhaps you'll find something that didn't need to be trashed. But when you find something in your inbox that managed to get through - although having no _you_ in the To: field - then you might want to adjust your filter. Then again, you only filter for _regular_ occasions, not for the off e-mail: that ine you can send to Trash manually. Is there a way to just add the latest intruder to the existing spam filter? Yes, by adding it's characteristic trait in the filter, using the "Alternatives"tab (I just learnt this myself). It adds rules, and treats the victims in the same fashion as the general (or first) rule). [TB novices] A first weeks impression from a 7 year veteran of basic email: I HATE fixed fonts!!! Hi, mate. Me too ;-) I'd like to see auto complete for addresses. The History file in TB does part of the trick, and once you have lemma's in the Address Book, TB _will_ autocomplete. I think... I NEED auto correct in the spell checker becuase my fingers are ignorant adn always gets certain words wrong. :-) grin People here are more lenient than they appear at first sight. Ask me. I got into a fight on my first night here, and now we seem buddies. Filters should be simple questions: Do you want to File this message to a certain place? Delete this message and every one like it? Delete them from the server too? Dear, filters are never simple and can't be: if only because the simple and fortright rule IF not A then do B does something completely different when it's on top of your filters as compared to being last of them. When one says: anything that has not "me"In the To: files goes to Trash, you're going to get into quite some trouble with TB, for instance: those mals don't have "you" in the To: filed, so you want to get them filtered first (in order to save them form the Trash). I strongly suggest the writers look
Re: filter problems and questions.
Hello Karin, On Tuesday, September 19, 2000 at 03:17:16 GMT +0200 (which was 6:17 PM where I live) witnesses say Karin Spaink typed: Yes, do check it on other filters as well. Having it unchecked means that once this particular filter has been invoked, TB stops filtering -- while you a\want it to go on to the next mail and the next filter. I think you may have misunderstood the "continue processing" option. Let's say I have a really simple filter that marks all messages from TBUDL with a flag or colour group, but *does not* move them. If "Continue Processing" is *not* checked, this message will not be touched by any other filter. But all messages will be checked by the filters. So, if you have filter 1 - has continue processing unchecked (doesn't move messages) filter 2 - has continue processing checked (doesn't move messages) filter 3 - doesn't matter and message 1 message 2 If message 1 meets the criteria for 1 and 3, only filter 1 will be applied to message 1. If message 2 meets the criteria for 2 and 3, then both filters 2 and 3 will be applied to message 2. Imagine me telling you how to filter. I only downloaded TB for evaluation purposes this Saturday ;-) See how easy it really is to use? :) The History file in TB does part of the trick, and once you have lemma's in the Address Book, TB _will_ autocomplete. I think... TB will not automatically auto-complete from the addressbook. You have to use a key combination, but it escapes me at the moment. (Ctrl-+ maybe?) I NEED auto correct in the spell checker becuase my fingers are ignorant adn always gets certain words wrong. :-) TB's autocorrect feature is a little different than what you're used to in programs like MS Word. In TB, if you type a word that is in the auto correct dictionary (eg adn), the misspelled word will be underlined with a square wave, as opposed to a triangular wave. Double right-click on the misspelled word to replace with the correct word. I personally like this better than Word style auto-correct. It helps when you want to misspell a word on purpose. (Like my examples above.) It is a matter of taste, but I will admit that perhaps auto-correct is a bit of a misnomer. grin People here are more lenient than they appear at first sight. Ask me. I got into a fight on my first night here, and now we seem buddies. We don't usually object to the people, just the bashing of our precious mail client. g We were all new to this program at some point. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.47 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: filter problems and questions.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:38:21 -0600, jbelk wrote: Karin Go to the Options tab and tick Continue Processing With Other Karin Folders. I personally have never had reason to use this option. j First, I've heard of this. It seems to not be the default but is j necessary to make the filter work right. No, it's not necessary to make a typical filter work right. By default, each incoming message is checked to see if it matches a filter rules string matching criteria. Each filter rule is checked starting from the top of the filter list and working downwards. As soon as a filter string match is found, the matching filters actions are applied and no other subsequent filter is applied to the same message after that. IOW's, by default, either a single or no filter rule will be applied to a message. Take for example you have a message that will be filtered by filters rules 1 and 4 in the filter set below. Filter rule 1 Filter rule 2 Filter rule 3 Filter rule 4 By default, once a match is made with filter rule 1, the message is no longer matched with any other filters. You have to keep this in mind. One of the reasons why a filter will not work is if the intended message is being filtered out by a preceding filter who's string search matches the message. The importance of the ordering of your filters now becomes evident. j I re-read the help files and didn't see it there. Should this box be j checked on all filters? OR just all but the last one? I don't use this check box at all. This option basically instructs TB! that even though the message has been matched to a particular filter rule, to continue matching it with the other filters. This will only work if the initial filter rule did not move the message to another folder. j This sure is counter intuitive to my way of thinking. The FIRST j filter I set up in any program is one that blocks the hundreds of j spam messages that flood all email addys that have been around for a j while. If you're going to put that filter first, it has to be really specific and not inadvertently filter out good mail. I'd advise you to put the filters for legitimate and important e-mail first on the list and then after that, put the spam filter/s in place. j Is it a bug to add new filters at the bottom of the list?? I note that TB! does this through the quick filter method, although there's an option to 'override existing filters' which places the filter at the top of the list. It's risky to put the filter at the bottom of the list because the intended messages have to not match any filter that precedes that last filter in order for the last filter to work with the intended messages. j And what is the difference between the "!address" and "Presence: No j ?" Seems to me it's the same thing just more convoluted. It just makes it more flexible. You can set your filter to be applied if the defined string is found in the message or if it is not found in the message. Take for example, in my filter rules there's one that will send an auto-reply not only when 'SendAlliePGPKey' is found in the subject field but also if neither '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' nor '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' are present in the headers. So for the filter I have the following strings: Strings LocationPresence - --- SendAlliePGPKey Subject Yes [EMAIL PROTECTED]Kludges No [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kludges No j So does this mean every time a new spam sneaks through existing j filters I'll have to create a new filter for it, open the Sorting j Office/Filters and move the new filter somewhere else? Is there a way j to just add the latest intruder to the existing spam filter? Just out of interest, how are you going about creating the spam filter rules? To what string are you filtering to because spam artists rarely ever send spam using the same name or from address. Creating filters to these usually amounts to a futile exercise. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "I have enough trouble single-tasking! " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcglW/AXeSHuB5k3EQIt+wCgvdZg0X9b8jZN+gMeCP3ASK7J5JkAmwZ5 qEaDjRgT72/HysvjPuqont/+ =clmG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
