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Sunday, November 10, 2002, 9:20:51 PM, William wrote in message mid:15345369327.20021110212051;dsl.pipex.com WM The main reason for this is because the important bits are written in WM assembler. Shame it's gone out of fashion. Too difficult for today's WM programmers I suppose. Now, back in the sixties when I (and Marck) was a WM programmer... :-) Thanks for explaining this William - many of the great little fast proggies we use are written in assembler as well so we're already fans of this. In fact both my son and I would love to fathom out how to write this ourselves (eyeing 2 books on Assembler on the bookshelf over the PC). -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A The Bat Email - Unofficial Support Forum: http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Tuesday, November 12, 2002, 5:08:34 PM, William wrote in message mid:302427800.20021112170834;dsl.pipex.com WM If you are interested, have a look at www.grc.com in general and WM http://grc.com/smgassembly.htm in particular. WM All Gibson's software is written in assembler and it flies. It's a huge WM site, lots to read, especially concerning security. He is *very* WM outspoken and I think you either love him or hate him! There's some good WM freeware stuff there too. Thanks again William - yes we're fans of Steve Gibson also - have been since his first Aureate spyware detector came out. You're right that his stiuff is neat and again fast. It was there that I first read about Assembler but it was before he put the page you gave the link for up, so I hadn't seen that. I have now and thanks again - it's very interesting, and I think we'll been trying some of this very soon! :-) -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A The Bat Email - Unofficial Support Forum: http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Wednesday, November 13, 2002, 1:55:37 AM, John wrote in message mid:VPOP31.5.0d.20021113105537.687.18.2.64410165;SUPERSOHO JDH The pity is that he is responsible for so many people needlessly JDH saddling their systems with Zone Alarm, which causes many more JDH troubles than it could possibly solve. So why is Zone Alarm so bad? And what troubles does it cause for people? -- Cheers, Anne Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A The Bat Email - Unofficial Support Forum: http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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John, JDH (1) Most people using it could achieve all the necessary protection JDH just by configuring their systems properly; The problem with not running a software firewall of some sort is that you have no controll over your OUTGOING internet connection. Zonealarm and Tiny Personal Firewall both do this and if you do become infected with a virus (bite my tongue) the firewall will notify you when the virus *tries* to blast all your friends in your address book. It also helps you to see if spyware is trying to phone home. Spyware is THICK in shareware programs these days... If you have a neat nifty way to make Windows do that without help then I'd love to hear about it...honestly. -- Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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John, JDH For outgoing protection: Norton Anti-Virus. JDH For general protection, a *hardware* firewall built into my LAN JDH router, as well as the firewall built into Windows XP. I don't run Norton antivirus, but I don't believe it protects against outgoing connections. It can scan for a virus on your system or to see if there is one in an outbound Email(?) which is good, but that doesn't protect against a virus that has snuck through the defenses (such as a new one could before you get Norton updated). Tiny will catch ANY new program that tries to make an outbound connection. After using it for a period of time, the false alarms are almost non-existent. It just needs to be trained that it's ok to let that newly installed program make a connection is all. If you haven't installed anything lately then there is a problem if it goes off. I run a hardware firewall here as well and unless you have a high dollar one (which I don't... $100 usd) then it protects the INBOUND connection only. It helps you *keep* what is on the outside...out there. That's about it. This is also a help, but not in regards to the outbound connection. The firewall in WinXP is also for inbound only. It's one of those feel good things that Bill tosses in so people won't mind spending big bucks to upgrade to the latest and greatest OS. I like WinXP as an OS but the built in firewall is trash IMHO. I try to keep my system here setup correctly, but I make mistakes from time to time. I don't think anyone is perfect, are they? I want a reliable backup system that I trust for when I do make those mistakes. That's my reasoning behind what I do. -- Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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William, r What a fraud. WM What did I tell you? :-) Don't believe everything you read on the Net. For every web site that says one thing, I'd wager I can find one that says nearly the opposite. A con man makes what he is saying seem very logical. Our job here is to figure out which site to believe. (or are both conveying a partial truth...with the full truth lying somewhere in between?) -- Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT local ISP building computer from generic parts [was, Re[2]:AVG plug in after re-installing?]
11 November 2002, 10:22, you wrote: MB Any further discussion OT on this thread--carry on privately or on MB tbot? I'm still open to input on the specifications for my new system. Interesting, but since I'm in the UK there's probably nothing useful I can contribute. -- Clive Taylor Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: OT local ISP building computer from generic parts [was, Re[2]:AVG plug in after re-installing?]
Hello Clive, Monday, November 11, 2002, 6:49:41 AM, you wrote: snip MB I'm still open to input on the specifications for my new system. CT Interesting, but since I'm in the UK there's probably nothing useful I CT can contribute. That's okay. Thanks anyway. -- Best regards, Mary Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Monday, November 11, 2002 8:39:34 AM RE: AVG plug in after re-installing? Greetings Clive, On Monday, November 11, 2002, 2:52:51 AM, you wrote: CT Curious to know why a ISP should be in the business of building and CT supporting PCs. How local is this ISP? What computer equipment do they CT offer and how do prices compare to, say, Dell or other mainstream CT manufacturers? Although many in my area are on broadband (DSL or TW/RR) there are 3 local ISP's who furnish dialup access (Berkshirenet, Vgernet and Berkshire County Network (BCN)) and all build systems, upgrade systems and provide service, support and warranty besides their main bread butter business which is as an ISP. - From what I've seen they can be competitive with Dell, Gateway, TigerDirect and the local office superstores as they all purchase their parts, components and peripherals wholesale. Not sure if these are mainstream and namebrand (CPU choices limited to Intel and AMD of course) but They seem to do well and from what I have heard local tech support on these systems is also rated highly as, again, the support is local. So I ramble on. - -- Regards, DG Raftery Sr. You never finish a program, you just stop working on it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Business Security 6.0 iQA/AwUBPc+1M2GmTEg4iItaEQJ/LACgtXfeLxHPs9/RnfminyEOC4njPLUAn2tj Ne1Pey0e+W07nizpN4BZZb5p =wGxH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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On Monday, November 11, 2002, 2:55:24 PM, Clive Taylor wrote: CT It's an interesting model -- and I suppose it has the advantage of CT locking in customers to their own ISP services. Not really - in the UK you can choose to pay-as-you-go with most ISPs, so you can have accounts with as many ISPs as you wish. I have a fixed-price account as my main ISP, but I also have two separate accounts with other ISPs; if I dial into one of those I pay by the minute, but if I don't connect using them, it costs me nothing. I can still use their email service whilst connected through my main ISP - or vice versa. -- Deborah Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Paul, PC Like you said, I pretty much know when a virus is sent, but it PC scares me when my close friends send me attachments, because most of PC them are virus-clueless, and they send those chain letters out PC constantly, and hoax virus warnings, without checking SNOPES.com . I've found it to be a very long and tedious process to train my friends to check out those hoaxes instead of just flipping out and sending it off to their entire address book. It's worth it in the end. ;) Sophos is a good site for that as well as the Snopes you mention. I think we're getting a bit off topic...or at least I seem to be. -- Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello rick, On or about Saturday, November 9, 2002, 6:26:04 AM, in a galaxy far, far away, rick wrote: r I would recommend you to use Nod32. It has the best results of any r product tested at virus bulletin. I use Nod32 in conjunction with r TheBat! and I have never had one virus problem. I run The Bat! e-mail client so that I don't HAVE to run ANY anti-virus BS. Any anti-virus steals 12-20% of system resources and slows down system performance. I know ALL avenues of virus propagation, and simply delete them on sight. I can't understand all this anal-retentiveness about stopping a virus from getting into a mailbox that is IMMUNE to same! I also have any known means of contamination via a browser disabled as well. UNFORTUNATELY my ISP now has STRONG anti-virus e-mail protection, and I have not received ANYTHING viral in the last 3 months! I have had to establish a second external account just so that I can continue to RECEIVE them to do research on virus matters! In conclusion and _IMHO_, anyone running e-mail virus scanning on Bat! mail is severely paranoid. Either that, or they are uninformed as to what virus-capable extensions are, in which case they then may need it as a crutch. Otherwise, why bother? TB! will give you more than adequate warning if you even attempt to do something dangerous. If you ignore the warnings, you deserve what you get ;-) To me, it's like booby-trapping an H-bomb with another H-bomb! /soapbox -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike -- Get a PERMANENT 100MB capacity mailbox for ONLY $29.95/year. No more lost mail due to mailbox capacity restrictions. Access by POP3 or Webmail! Earn a FREE mailbox with their referral program. (HINT - You get $11.00 towards your mailbox for each referral who signs up!) Apply NOW at http://1110.runbox.com -- Running The Bat! V1.60h on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Thomas, Saturday, November 9, 2002, 7:57:57 AM, you wrote: Virus bulletin tests in-the-wild viruses. Their methodoloy is clearly stated in their publication. http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/about/index.xml this url states what they test for i.e. in-the-wild viruses. This url http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/about/100procedure.xml goes into virus bulletin's testing methodology in more details. here is another url http://www.virusbtn.com/magazine/archives/pdf/2002/200206.pdf which is a journal (most issues of their journal are available online here, http://www.virusbtn.com/magazine/archives ) they publish in which the results of their virus tests are espoused. also they discuss security related issues in each jouranl issue. I will also tell you this. I own Nod32 and am not making money from these statements nor any other benefits. However, we use Nod32 at work for our IIS 5.x web servers and its wonderful. Nod32 not only detects all in-the-wild viruses but it does it fast. Nod32 scanned 260 gigs in 15 minutes!! hope this helps -- Best regards, rick Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Paul, Saturday, November 9, 2002, 9:06:20 AM, you wrote: PC On Saturday, November 9, 2002, 8:43 AM, you wrote: MDP This is a major concern. I would accept their findings without MDP hesitation if it was clearer just how they had been arrived at. PN While it might not provide sufficient technical detail to satisfy PN your curiosity, here is the link to the description of their PN procedure. PN http://toronto.virusbtn.com/vb100/about/100procedure.xml PC from their VB100 website: PC We would urge any potential customer, when looking at the VB 100% record PC of any software, not simply to consider passes and fails, but to read PC the small print in the reviews. PC http://toronto.virusbtn.com/vb100/archives/tests.xml?200211 PC they tested version 398 of AVG, which was released the first week of PC October, yet this says November results. AVG is now version 417. PC still I can not find anywhere what it failed. PC and I didn't find any small print to read! If you read the url I posted to thomas, http://www.virusbtn.com/magazine/archives/pdf/2002/200206.pdf on page 19 (pdf document) virus bulletin review explains clearly why they used a older version of grisoft for the tests. There appeared to be technical difficulties with grisoft. The AVG product caused blue screens, and failed to update properly. -- Best regards, rickmailto:zufandel;adelphia.net Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Thomas, Saturday, November 9, 2002, 9:15:29 AM, you wrote: I find it interesting that the sponsors of VB2002 were ESET, the makers of NOD32, among others, such as Computer Associates, Sophos, also a AV maker. TF Well spotted. There goes the independence claim. My philosophy (and TF this has to do with economics rather than computing) is that no TF company that needs sponsors or advertising customers can be considered TF independent. Eset along with other virus product vendors sponsored the VB2002 conference and not the virus bulletin company itself. Please see the distinction. Again, I informed my fellow TheBat! readers simply to help them out. Continue to use what ever product you wish. I know I am safe :-) -- Best regards, rick Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Paul, Saturday, November 9, 2002, 9:22:52 PM, you wrote: PC noted on the Grisoft site: PC Update 399 was withdrawed because of problems PC with Resident Shield on Windows NT or higher systems. Repaired update PC will be available soon. - October 10, 2002 - PC that might be why they had a problem with AVG, but it was fixed the same PC day. virus bulletin has many products to test. Perhaps time was not a luxury for them. PC I recommend AVG to all my friends, most of whom had Mcafee or Norton PC installed on their PC's, but had let the coverage lapse because of the PC subscription cost. better to have an up-to-date AVG than a year-old PC Norton:) virus bulletin tests against current and not so current viruses. In feb 2002 Grisoft AVG missed 1 in-the-wild virus, 26 macro viruses, 181 polymorphic viruses and 56 standard viruses. This was tested on windows ME machine. In June 2002, Grisoft AVG missed 115 in-the-wild viruses, 106 macro viruses, and 242 polymorphic viruses and 81 standard viruses and this was on a windows XP test machine. This test was done on a version which was crippled due to the current version having a problem as noted in one of my earlier posts. In feb 2002, there was no technical difficulties yet Grisoft AVG failed miserably. You can read the online results and judge for yourself. Theres an old saying, you get what you pay for -- Best regards, rick Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Paul, r Theres an old saying, you get what you pay for PC AVG does have a PAY - PRO version, so everything they do isn't for free, PC and both the free pay programs probably use the same virus definition PC files. Most times, I AGREE you get what you pay for, but with virus PC programs, I'm not so sure. I kinda like more than one program, to either PC complement or extra protection myself, but I'm not sure running two PC programs is a good thing ( system slowdowns, other problems..) PC but like I said, if people are too cheap to pay for updates, then an PC updated free program is better than nothing. I'll continue to tell my PC friends about AVG :) Just my 2 cents worth... I'm running AVG free here and have had NO problems with it so far. Now that I finally have the plug-in so it works closely with The Bat I'm happy as a fish in water. I haven't been infected in over 5 years now (knock on wood). Part of the reason is that I refuse to run Outlook Express. No worry about the security holes constantly being found. I also don't use Word. No macro viruses to worry about. As was mentioned earlier in this thread, I too can spot most infected files at a glance. There are times I can also tell exactly what virus is contained in the attachment as well, such as the E-mail I received from my wife while she was still at work (with no internet access)... hehehe Hello Klez. The moral here is not to expect software to take care of everything. Stay current with antiviral news and help out a little. I like the plug-in mainly because my wife is Canadian and they seem to be having a bad breakout of Klez up there right now. 90% of the viruses I receive here are from a Canadian address. The Plug-in just relieves me of the task of manually deleting them one at a time. They go to quarantine and I highlight them all for a mass delete. Just a time saver. I do like to keep tabs on how many are still showing up so I don't have them automatically deleted. -- cheers, Scott Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
