Re[2]: Best way to migrate to new pc
Hello Chris, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 12:28:56 AM, you wrote: MrNaughty @ 5/09/2006 1:07:41 AM Best way to migrate to new pc mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to ask: why NOT ALL SETTINGS be stored in ,INI file Because, as of now, the registry is the recommended place for these sorts of settings (I'm probably starting a religious war with this comment). Yes, if you're regular user, but what if you are reformatting or restore PQDI / BootIt image twice or tree times a month? I certainly don't want to spent more time for installing TheBat, replacing folders and restore registry, when it already setup on other partition, backing up over night to third partition and once a month to external USB drive, or Am I wrong? and why not for user to decide during instalation which way he wants to go: secure-registry or: regular-.ini I don't see how the registry is more secure? I compared a couple of programs set-ups and that was what they recommended. An INI file would be much easier to encrypt than individual registry data entries. And, the default ACLs don't allow unauthorized users into either Application Data or the other's registry. Yes, I agree, PGP does it for me. -- Best regards, /|/| _ /| )_ _ /_/ / |/ / |/(/(/(//)/(/ _// Current version is 3.80.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Best way to migrate to new pc
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 10:54:52 AM, you wrote: Hallo MrNaughty, On Tue, 9 May 2006 00:07:41 -0600GMT (9-5-2006, 8:07 +0100, where I live), you wrote: M I would like to ask: why NOT ALL SETTINGS be stored in ,INI file and M why not for user to decide during instalation which way he wants to That would make it a bit more complicated to place you message base on a personalised location, or you should place the .ini in the program directory. I don't think it will Placing the file in the program directory has two disadvantages: 1) When you install TB in its default location, you can't alter it when you logon as a restricted user. I thought I could: with Run as.. 2) Two different users have to use the same location and thus the same accounts and that's not desirable. What about 1 program, 2 e-mail accounts locked with password, so user1 able to start, use account1 but locked out of account2? Placing the .ini in the mail directory means you're forced to use the default location for the message base. First install to second HD or different partition which enables you to wipe/restore/tweak windows partition without any fear. I'm not trying any more to fix/repair damaged/infected windows install: my base image still from fall of 2004 and yes, still service pack 2 XP. Of course there's the possibility to store the the .ini at documents and settings, but to leave the rest free. But then you're foreced to use thaty location and that doesn't have real advantages above being forced to use the registry. Please refer to above posted reply paragraph. -- Best regards, /|/| _ /| )_ _ /_/ / |/ / |/(/(/(//)/(/ _// Current version is 3.80.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Best way to migrate to new pc
Hello Chris, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 2:36:09 PM, you wrote: MrNaughty @ 5/09/2006 2:39:41 PM Best way to migrate to new pc mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] That would make it a bit more complicated to place you message base on a personalised location, or you should place the .ini in the program directory. I don't think it will The .INI file would have to be in some known location. And the program directory is NOT ACCEPTABLE. Most users don't (or shouldn't) have write access to the directory. So, we're left with Application Settings of the registry. Placing the file in the program directory has two disadvantages: 1) When you install TB in its default location, you can't alter it when you logon as a restricted user. I thought I could: with Run as.. Yes, but that's a pain. You have to right-click, select Run As, enter the username and password, and the hit OK. Double-clicking is much simpler. That's a problems with it now days: double clicking to run everything even if it kill system, :( 2) Two different users have to use the same location and thus the same accounts and that's not desirable. What about 1 program, 2 e-mail accounts locked with password, so user1 able to start, use account1 but locked out of account2? That sort of defeats the purpose of a multi-user operating system with multi-user aware applications. They are aware already as you pointed out. Still, .INI file in same directory for me the best scenario... -- Best regards, /|/| _ /| )_ _ /_/ / |/ / |/(/(/(//)/(/ _// PGP ID: 0x3110D3C1 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.80.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Best way to migrate to new pc
Hello Chris, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 2:41:46 PM, you wrote: Roelof Otten @ 5/09/2006 11:54:52 AM Best way to migrate to new pc mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course there's the possibility to store the the .ini at documents and settings, but to leave the rest free. But then you're foreced to use thaty location and that doesn't have real advantages above being forced to use the registry. It has some slight advantages: 1) If one file gets corrupted, on that program is messed up, not all programs (unlike the registry) 2) Incremental backups are easier However, if I remember correctly, the registry can be slightly faster because some database-like optimizations are used. slightly can be told/felt by a gamer, how many FPS he can run, but not TheBat: it only needs once to load and occasional write when you make changes... I think what we need to get out of all these discussions is that The Bat! should backup all user configurations (window positions, colors, fonts, etc.) and data, but not the location to said data. Then, during a restore, the message base can be relocated easily and The Bat! will automatically create the necessary registry entries. Why? If it good for 1,2,20, does it means it good for me? No way. Developers have to recognize and offer a chance if not, that someone will move on and never look back. And here still the same re-install, replace folders, oh no,...I lost fonts/size/settings... -- Best regards, /|/| _ /| )_ _ /_/ / |/ / |/(/(/(//)/(/ _// PGP ID: 0x3110D3C1 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.80.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Best way to migrate to new pc
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 3:01:35 PM, you wrote: When you're doing a monthly backup, it shouldn't be so hard to extract TB's registry setting and include that in your backup, after all, it's all located in: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat! Apparently you're not an average user, so this would be peanuts. Notepad: start /w regedit /e TBbckup1.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat! save as a .bat file. Well, I am just average user, trying to learn on my mistakes: sometimes successfully. -- Best regards, /|/| _ /| )_ _ /_/ / |/ / |/(/(/(//)/(/ _// PGP ID: 0x3110D3C1 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.80.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Best way to migrate to new pc
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, May 9, 2006, 2:56:02 PM, you wrote: Hallo MrNaughty, On Tue, 9 May 2006 13:39:41 -0600GMT (9-5-2006, 21:39 +0200, where I live), you wrote: M I would like to ask: why NOT ALL SETTINGS be stored in ,INI file and M why not for user to decide during instalation which way he wants to That would make it a bit more complicated to place you message base on a personalised location, or you should place the .ini in the program directory. M I don't think it will Look at your suggestions and tell me that a ordinary user would fine them complicated or not. Placing the file in the program directory has two disadvantages: 1) When you install TB in its default location, you can't alter it when you logon as a restricted user. M I thought I could: with Run as.. When you start running basic applications as admin, then you'd just as well logon with an admin account instead of a restricted user. Why, Just because everyone else does? In my setup, add-on accounts are limited: no admin access, no chance for screw-ups. 2) Two different users have to use the same location and thus the same accounts and that's not desirable. M What about 1 program, 2 e-mail accounts locked with password, so M user1 able to start, use account1 but locked out of account2? Okay, so you'd be able to lock your accounts, but all users would still be forced to use the same settings, customization etc. In my place or any place (I'm guessing here)) one set's up PC and rest of it, including TheBat. I set it up, I'm responsible for security and all my family can check on theirs accounts new mail or send: no one from street allowed, :) Placing the .ini in the mail directory means you're forced to use the default location for the message base. I did: E:\Install\TheBat\ M First install to second HD or different partition which enables you M to wipe/restore/tweak windows partition without any fear. Read carefully what I wrote. That has nothing to do with your reply. When you want to place your .ini file in the mail directory instead of in the program directory, this means that the mail directory has to be in the default location (documents and setting\..), because otherwise TB cannot find the message base and the .ini This is because the program director is no suitable location (according to me) and the location of the message base is now stored in the registry, but the contents of that registry have to be stored in your .ini file. I understand, with all due respect, in my setup, nothing resides under c:\ except registry. M I'm not trying any more to fix/repair damaged/infected windows M install: my base image still from fall of 2004 and yes, still M service pack 2 XP. i meant: service pack 1...opps, my bad. I can't see what's so special or relevant about that. Check forums: full of folks trying to find a fix for this and that. Of course there's the possibility to store the the .ini at documents and settings, but to leave the rest free. But then you're foreced to use thaty location and that doesn't have real advantages above being forced to use the registry. M Please refer to above posted reply paragraph. I'm trying to, but it doesn't make any sense in this context. -- Best regards, /|/| _ /| )_ _ /_/ / |/ / |/(/(/(//)/(/ _// PGP ID: 0x3110D3C1 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.80.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Best way to migrate to new pc
Hello Thomas, you wrote: I just went through this. This is what I wrote on the beta list: 2.) Customisations gone. This could easily be fixed by copying the tbuser.def from the back-up to the new location, overwriting the existing new file. This appears to be a programmer oversight, as with this new functionality, the backup routine was not updated. I don't worry about the splash screen or registration. I still have the mail and can do that easily. What customisations are you referring to? Does this affect only the new options in V. 3.8? I actually have not done anything, so this would not bother me but if it affects the settings for the individual accounts (existing templates, filters, html/plain text settings ) etc that would be a different issue. 3.) Settings gone. This refers to window size and location etc. Not sure what that means? Thanks for your info and assistance. -- Tom using TB 3.65.03 on XP Current version is 3.80.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
