Re[2]: Multiple email everything.

[Tim Musson]

Hey Olivier,

Friday, January 12, 2001, 8:43:24 PM, you wrote:

>>Have I missed something?! If I haven't - and this looks like a
>>solution for you - , you could use the SMTP-server of
>>webmail-providers like www.myrealbox.com , www.gmx.net , www.yahoo.com
>>or  www.operamail.com .
OR> I'll check them and see if they allow me to SMTP send using the
OR> from-addresses I need.

I had a similar (but much smaller and less complex) problem, that I
think I have figured out mostly today - possibly it will solve your
problems?

One of the services of the people hosting my domain for me is as many
mail addresses (.forward) as I want.  So I have [EMAIL PROTECTED] that
forwards to an account at MyRealBox.  I set up TB to pull from the MRB
pop, and the account is set up as [EMAIL PROTECTED] for everything except
the MRB user id/pw.  I set smpt and pop to pop.myrealbox.com, then for
the smtp "Authentication...", I checked "Perform SMTP Authentication
(RFC 2554)".  Now when I connect with my ISP that does not block port
25, I can do a send and TB authenticates and uploads my mail!

So if you could set this up for one of your accounts, have all the
other accounts configured to push all the Outbox contents to the one
MyRealBox account, you may be all set...?

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Re: Re[2]: Multiple email everything.

[Olivier Reubens]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 06:45:30 +0100, you wrote:

>But, nothing I suggested will prevent you from this. Simply set up as
>many mailboxes as you like and let each have it own "From" and
>"Reply"-name - but let all have *the same* smtp-settings. I promise
>you, that this will work, as I am doing it currently!
It would require an SMTP that allows me to connect and use regardless
of where I connected from. And I haven't found one of those yet.
Still need to check the ones you gave, will get you an answer on that
soon :-)

>But you have no viable alternative because your ISP's do not *allow*
>you any alternative. Who is dictating then?
The ISPA (local governing body for belgium ISP's) and EuroISPA (same
but for europe) do not allow belgium (european) ISP's to have open
SMTP servers.

>What I meant was this: If you start using one of the suggested
>addresses and get your various correspondents used to send to *that*
>address, you'll be able to enjoy the benefits of using a *web-account*
>for sending and retrieving mail - namely, the benefit of reading your
>mail where ever there is a device with a browser. After your messages
>are read on the web-interface of your web-account, you just mark them
>all "unread" and they are ready for TB to download them when you get
>home to your PC.
I don't WANT webmail. I hate it, tried using hotmail for our mail
needs once. It's slow, uncomfortable and requires you to be connected
to read mail. Something I definately don't want to do when I'm using
the GSM to dial into.  
Customers should send inquiries/questions... to the mailboxes of the
company (domain) they're interested in.  And even after 1 year of
abandonning the trial we still get occasional mails there.  Don't
wanna go there again.

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Re: Re[2]: Multiple email everything.

[Olivier Reubens]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:06:27 -0800, you wrote:

>Quick and short from what I've read you might try centralinfo.net.
>There you can host your domain, website, pop and smtp mail from any
>location or web access.  Price is cheap enough at $8.00 US per month
>for a long list of services and disk space.  The only draw-back I've
>seen is a curious person could see your domain is on a uslive.net
>virtual server in the header (see mine). I find this trivial do to the
>great customer support the give.
They're ALL cheap enough at offering certain services, and some are
cheap at service a but expensive at service b.  With other ISP it's
just the other way around.  This is why I'm currently using 6 ISP's to
get everything I need done.  Most can't offer EVERYTHING I need, and
of the few that do, they simply charge too much for the whole package
of services I need.  What I REALLY need, is my own dedicated server,
but I can't afford the cost of a dedicated SDSL or T1 or comparable
speed link.  So we have a server hosting at one location (contract
stating which services we can run, so can't put an SMTP there), and
web sites at another ISP, and ... ) 
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Re: SMTP setting at folder level (was Re[2]: Multiple email everything.)

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DB> By the way, I started a new thread since the old one was made a Dead
DB> Horse by one of the moderators. (And your question was not really
DB> related to the thread anyway ;-).)

Here's  another  good  reason not to start a new thread with a reply
:-). (also against list "recommendations").

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Re: SMTP setting at folder level (was Re[2]: Multiple email everything.)

[David Buntenbroich]

Hi,

Saturday, January 13, 2001, 11:40:17 AM, I wrote:

> You might want to create a filter to move sent messages back to the
> first account's outbox.
  **
  Of course, I meant the sent folder.

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SMTP setting at folder level (was Re[2]: Multiple email everything.)

[David Buntenbroich]

Hello Shahar,

Saturday, January 13, 2001, 11:13:58 AM, you wrote:

> Can I set an SMTP settings to a folder within an account so I can
> force the messages to be sent from that specific folder through a
> specific SMTP server ?

I think, the only thing you can do is to create a dummy account (or
use an existing one with the specific SMTP settings) and put the
%ACCOUNT="account name" macro into your folder templates.

You might want to create a filter to move sent messages back to the
first account's outbox.

By the way, I started a new thread since the old one was made a Dead
Horse by one of the moderators. (And your question was not really
related to the thread anyway ;-).)



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Re[2]: Multiple email everything.

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello Manfred and other TBUDL's,

On Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 02:37:27 GMT + Manfred Ell wrote
on "Multiple email everything.":

ME> On 13-01-2001 at 02:43:24GMT +0100 (which was 1:43 where I live)
ME> Olivier Reubens wrote regarding the subject of "Multiple email everything."


ME> Hello Olivier,

>>>Have I missed something?! If I haven't - and this looks like a
>>>solution for you - , you could use the SMTP-server of
>>>webmail-providers like www.myrealbox.com , www.gmx.net , www.yahoo.com
>>>or  www.operamail.com .
Olivier>> I'll check them and see if they allow me to SMTP send using the
Olivier>> from-addresses I need.

ME> They won't, because they don't allow relaying. You need to set up you
ME> own mail server. MDaemon (software) or Cobalt Cube (hardware) or Linux
ME> sendmail.

Am I then a magician? I am currently sending from - at least - four
different "From"-addresses and only *one* SMTP-server. I cannot
guarantee that the SMTP-server I am currently using will send from
*all* "From"-domains - but I can guarantee you that it will send from
*several*. I cannot see why it should care the slightest about which
domain is used as "From"-address - as long as the sending mailbox is
using SMTP-by-login ("Use specific settings" under "Authentication").



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Re[2]: Multiple email everything.

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello Olivier and other TBUDL's,

On Saturday, January 13, 2001 at 02:43:24 GMT +0100 Olivier Reubens
wrote on"Multiple email everything.":

OR> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:51:47 +0100, you wrote:

>>I've finally managed to read my way through the complete thread, but I
>>still don't understand why you can't use the SMTP-server of one of the
>>web-mail providers offering SMTP-by-login and then
>>
>>1) set up TB with only *one* account
OR> I need to be able to distinguish OUTGOING mailboxes. 
OR> When customers write to say [EMAIL PROTECTED] and a reply is sent
OR> by me or my colleagues, it should have [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the
OR> "from" so when customers in turn reply, it nicely arrives in the
OR> support inbox again and so on.
OR> Same for info@... sales@... and several others.

But, nothing I suggested will prevent you from this. Simply set up as
many mailboxes as you like and let each have it own "From" and
"Reply"-name - but let all have *the same* smtp-settings. I promise
you, that this will work, as I am doing it currently!


OR> To make matters worse, I need to be able to do all this from
OR> various places. Connecting to the server of a different ISP
OR> depending on where I'm connecting from.

OR> And I'm changing locations at least 3 times a day. (can you see me
OR> changing account info for 6-7 accounts, 3+ times a day)... sigh. it's
OR> depressing...

Believe me: I've *been* there :-(

>>2) set up TB with just as many account as *you* want (not as many as
>>the amount of your ISP's dictate!) and then use only this *one*
>>SMTP-server for your account.
OR> The ISP's don't dictate it, I'm dictating it onto myself because I
OR> have no viable alternative.

But you have no viable alternative because your ISP's do not *allow*
you any alternative. Who is dictating then?

>>Both of these solutions would allow you to send from *one* SMTP-server
>>no matter where you were connected, and would thus save you the
>>trouble of
OR> I have at current not found an SMTP server which I can access, from
OR> wherever I connected from (i.e. whatever ISP's I'm using). and send
OR> the mails through with any of 20 or so different "FROM" addresses
OR> (which include several different domains, most of which are ".be"
OR> domains).
OR> If you know of any, It'd probably solve most of my problems.

I'm using www.myrealbox.com as you can see, and I'm reasonably
satisfied. I haven't tried sending from *that* many domains, but until
now I haven't had any problems whatsoever. I connect to four different
ISP's during the day in order to cut expenses - but no matter where I
am connected, I always send from the MyRealBox SMTP-server. All you
need to do for each account is

1) get an account with MyRealBox (or whatever you choose)

2) let myrealbox.com be your SMTP-setting in all mailboxes

3) Set "Authentication" to "Perform SMTP-authentication" (with
"Specific settings" in all mailboxes with different sending identities
than your MyRealBox sending identity - and "Use settings of Mail
Retrieval" in your MyRealbox-mailbox (if you want to *have* a
MyRealBox-mailbox - you're free to use only their SMTP-server)).


>>Since all of these services also offer POP/IMAP-retrieval from TB,
>>you can collect all your mail-traffic on one of these accounts, and,
>>thus, enjoy the additional bonus of being able to read all your mail
>>where ever you have access to the web - not just on your TB-PC!
OR> GETTING the mail isn't a problem.  All of the ISP's I have mailboxes
OR> at allow me to get pop access and retrieve the mail in the mailboxes,
OR> but I can't SEND mail through an account which ISP I'm not directly
OR> dialed into.
OR> And doing this from multiple PC's isn't a problem either.

What I meant was this: If you start using one of the suggested
addresses and get your various correspondents used to send to *that*
address, you'll be able to enjoy the benefits of using a *web-account*
for sending and retrieving mail - namely, the benefit of reading your
mail where ever there is a device with a browser. After your messages
are read on the web-interface of your web-account, you just mark them
all "unread" and they are ready for TB to download them when you get
home to your PC.



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Re[2]: Multiple email everything.

[George F Schoelles]

Hello Olivier,

Friday, January 12, 2001, 5:43:24 PM, you wrote:

OR> I have at current not found an SMTP server which I can access, from
OR> wherever I connected from (i.e. whatever ISP's I'm using). and send
OR> the mails through with any of 20 or so different "FROM" addresses
OR> (which include several different domains, most of which are ".be"
OR> domains).
OR> If you know of any, It'd probably solve most of my problems.

Quick and short from what I've read you might try centralinfo.net.
There you can host your domain, website, pop and smtp mail from any
location or web access.  Price is cheap enough at $8.00 US per month
for a long list of services and disk space.  The only draw-back I've
seen is a curious person could see your domain is on a uslive.net
virtual server in the header (see mine). I find this trivial do to the
great customer support
the give.

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Re: Re[2]: Multiple email everything.

[Olivier Reubens]

On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:31:46 -0800, you wrote:

>You don't know what your addressed person's SMTP server is - there is
>no way to know except by looking at RFC headers of mail they have sent
>you, and then if they are using multiple ISP's like you, it would mean
>nothing.
>
>Not all servers with POP accounts have SMTP; web-based email such as
>yahoo or hotmail doesn't provide an SMTP that is associated with the
>domain name; and the SMTP doesn't always match the domain name.
>
>Finally, if outsiders could access the sender's SMTP, that would be
>spammer's heaven -- imagine being able to use the AOL SMTP servers to
>send your spam to everyone on AOL - you not only would have the
>benefit of their servers, but you would defeat whatever spam
>blocking routines were build into their mail handling software.

OK..  If that can't be done..  How can installing my own SMTP server
work 
According to that other mail, If I would install a SMTP server on my
own PC, I can have that one send the messages to the target SMTP
server, but when I'd install a mailer, It wouldn't be ?  Sorry but
that makes no sense.  What's preventing an e-mail client from having
the same send-engine as a SMTP server on the same computer would do.
I really don't see why that wouldn't work.  Then again, I have no idea
how mail arrives at a destination mailbox either, so I really can't
tell.  

>You might just want to configure your mail options to queue outgoing
>mail in the outbox rather than sending it right away.  If there is one
>place you are certain to be every day, then when you arrive there the
>first thing to to when you arrive at that location would be to log on
>and send all the messages in the outbox.
Can't do, users insist on faster than immediate response.  Sending
direct is an absolute must.

>Of course, this would result in delayed reply to some email, but you
>could bypass the routine if an email was particularly important to
>respond to urgently.
they all are .

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Re[2]: Multiple email everything.

[Abigail Marshall]

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On Friday, January 05, 2001, 11:06:24 AM, Olivier Reubens wrote:

>>There are servers you can install on your PC. Of course, they will be
>>only active when you are currently connected, but I tried one once,
>>and it sent the messages directly to the recipient's POP server.
OR> Actually..   Why does no e-mail client have an option to deliver
OR> sent mail directly to the addressed person's SMTP server.  Am I
OR> missing an obvious "NO" here, or have I just thought up a totally new
OR> type of internet application (Maybe I should file a patent for it
OR> right away )

You don't know what your addressed person's SMTP server is - there is
no way to know except by looking at RFC headers of mail they have sent
you, and then if they are using multiple ISP's like you, it would mean
nothing.

Not all servers with POP accounts have SMTP; web-based email such as
yahoo or hotmail doesn't provide an SMTP that is associated with the
domain name; and the SMTP doesn't always match the domain name.

Finally, if outsiders could access the sender's SMTP, that would be
spammer's heaven -- imagine being able to use the AOL SMTP servers to
send your spam to everyone on AOL - you not only would have the
benefit of their servers, but you would defeat whatever spam
blocking routines were build into their mail handling software.

OR> The ISP I use at home doesn't provide an ISDN service like the one we
OR> have in the office.  That one in turn doesn't provide access through
OR> ADSL.  The "on the road" is a special case again, since dialing either
OR> provider would be costly, and it's cheaper per minute to use the
OR> internet provided by the company I get my GSM line from...

You might just want to configure your mail options to queue outgoing
mail in the outbox rather than sending it right away.  If there is one
place you are certain to be every day, then when you arrive there the
first thing to to when you arrive at that location would be to log on
and send all the messages in the outbox.

Of course, this would result in delayed reply to some email, but you
could bypass the routine if an email was particularly important to
respond to urgently.

The other thing to do - but it's obviously not very convenient, is to
simply configure TB to send to one SMTP, but change the SMTP
configuration as needed when you move around during the day.  This is
obviously not convenient, but I know it can be done, because I used to
do that during a time when I did not have a reliable ISP.

-Abigail

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Re[2]: Multiple email everything.

[Abigail Marshall]

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OR>>> Well a ruling of the ISPA (www.ispa.be) (belgium organisation
OR>>> regulating ISP's in belgium) stipulates that no SMTP server should
OR>>> have an "open" line.

TF>> It is not an "open" line if you are connected to it.

AGSAA> Hmm... Didn't catch the point, could you please explain? :-)

Well, I'm in the US, so it may be different, but for me, here's how it
works.

I sign up with an ISP, in my case it currently is Flashmail.  I have a
dialup connection.  My dialup to Flashmail requires a user name and
password to access, but of course this is automatically entered by my
Windows dialup software every time I connect.

I do not have any other way to connect to the internet except for the
dialup I subscribe to. (Actually I do have some alternate connections
for backup use, but I don't use their SMTP - if for some reason the
Flashmail network server is down, I will use the SMTP on my own
server, which has POP-before-send authentication.)

Flashmail provides me with a POP box that I NEVER use.  That is, there is no
such thing as an abigail-username@flashmail address listed anywhere. I
do receive mail THROUGH their POP, but all of it is forwarded/rerouted
from the aliases associated with different domains.  Since I manage
several websites, there are different aliases associated with
different domains ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED], etc.) My reply-to/from always reflects the
domain I am replying from.

As long as I have used the Flashmail dialup to connect to the
internet, the mail goes through the Flashmail SMTP with NO problem no
matter WHAT the reply-to/from headers say.  I suppose it is possible
that I could run into a problem if I used a domain that was
specifically BANNED by the ISP because it was on an ORBS database,
etc., but this isn't a problem with using our own proprietary domain
names, and it has not been a problem with configuring the
reply-to/from for a hotmail or other web-based system, either. (My
kids have hotmail accounts)

AGSAA> Sorry, but you're wrong here.

AGSAA> Generally, all SMTP servers are "relays". But the actual server
AGSAA> behaviour can significantly vary. You can use ORBS, RBL, DRBL, RSS
AGSAA> whatever databases to prevent spammers from sending your their crap, you
AGSAA> of course should use some kind of ACL (access.db on sendmail) etc. It
AGSAA> depends, as we say here in Russia :-).

AGSAA> So we're speaking about so-called "third party relaying" in this thread.
AGSAA> This relaying occurs when someone connects to a SMTP server which is
AGSAA> serving some number of domains (the actual number doesn't matter here -
AGSAA> it can be 1, 2...) and use the the domain _names_ not known as "local"
AGSAA> by this server as an argument in the MAIL FROM: _and_ RCPT TO: commands.

Andrey, this would be the case if I set the SMTP to my own company's
server (dyslexia.com), but set the mail from/reply-to for something
else, AND if I used an authentication scheme other than
POP-before-send. But in those cases I am still accessing from an
unrelated dialup - my company's server does not provide dialup access.

The difference with the dialup is that - at least in the US - most
MAJOR service providers use an authentication routine that allows
anyone who has dialed up via their lines to use the SMTP without
limitation, assuming they have passed the authentication required at
log in.

I have found that the companies offering free or very low cost access
do not work that way, so perhaps in other countries it may be a
problem.  Obviously, I don't know what the procedures are in Belgium
or Russia.



-Abigail



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Re: Re[2]: Multiple email everything.

[Olivier Reubens]

On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:39:04 -0500, you wrote:

>I don't know of any mail program that has a provision to switch
>servers on an account for sending.
I am solving it with Forté Agent at this moment, where I can
auto-select the SMTP server depending on what dial-up I made the
connection with.
But Agent requires me to fire a copy of Agent for each mailbox I want
to manage.  Launching Agent 5 times works, but it's not easy to work
with this way.
So far, Agent is the only one which provides me with a "workable" yet
cludgy way to do stuff, and I've tried _LOTS_ of e-mail clients over
the last few months.

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Re[2]: Multiple email everything.

[George F. Schoelles]

Hello Jamie,

Friday, January 05, 2001, 12:09:36 AM, you wrote:

JD> A more windows orientated solution is to install NT and a windows
JD> based smtp server. Apart from BackOffice server I've never tried this
JD> method.

I have also seen smtp servers that can be installed in 98/NT/2K. Have
yet to try one But they must work.

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Re[2]: Multiple email everything.

[Jannik Lindquist]

Hello Thomas and other TBUDL's,

On Friday, January 05, 2001 at 14:06:32 GMT +0800
Thomas Fernandez wrote on "Multiple email everything.":

j>> I don't know of any mail program that has a provision to switch
j>> servers on an account for sending.

TF> But it's in tghe wsih list for TB. ;-)

Just for the record: In the current version of Becky! it is possible
to choose between these options: "Send from all outboxes using the
*current* mailbox's SMTP-server" and "Send from all outboxes using
*each* mailbox's SMTP-server".

Is it something like this that is on the wish list (the link to the
wish list on the FAQ-site seems to be broken)? It isn't exactly
*switching* mailboxes, of course, but the first option would seem to
solve the first of the two problems starting this thread.

Apparently TB already *has* something like the last of these options -
the "Send Mail from All"-option (accessible via the main toolbar). But
how does this work? I seem to be unable to get TB to do this (though I
must admit I haven't tried for a couple of versions!).


Best regards,

Jannik Lindquist

The Bat! Ver. 1.48h
Windows 98 4 10   A 

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Re[2]: Multiple email everything.

[jdanforth1]

Sorry, I didn't realize you might be mobile and need different
smtp servers at different times.  Well, one way to do it would be
to duplicate all of your accounts, making another set for each
one of the outgoing servers you intend to use.  The number of
accounts will multiply fast, but they could be easily sorted by
name if the servername were used in the account name first.

This approach would make sending faster, but you would probably
have to make another folder in there to keep all the messages in,
so that they wouldn't be scattered all over the different
accounts.

I don't know of any mail program that has a provision to switch
servers on an account for sending.

Sorry, but that's all this newby can do (it's my first day with
this thing!)


John Danforth

Thursday, January 04, 2001, 8:15:55 PM, you wrote:
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Hello!


Friday, January 05, 2001, 3:41:32 AM, Olivier Reubens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>1.  Set up a separate account for each email address you use.
>>
>>2.  Set each of the accounts up with the appropriate POP3 server
>>info, including username and password.  But, for the SMTP (send)
>>server, enter in the server at the ISP you are connected to.
>>
>>This way you don't have to filter the mail.  The 'From' will have
>>the correct address.  Works OK.
OR> Well, it will work if the ISP remains the same forever. But this isn't
OR> the case.  It depends where I am which ISP I'll connect to.  Having to
OR> go through all the accounts to change the settings doesn't seem like a
OR> very good way to go about this.

Then ask one of your ISPs for the so-called SMTP authentication on one
of the SMTP servers. After that you just need to enter the server name
and the related auth data (username and password) into the account
properties - as many as you need. Be sure that no one of the domains
you're using for you e-mail aren't blocked at this SMTP server.


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Yours sincerely,

Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/

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Re: Re[2]: Multiple email everything.

[Olivier Reubens]

On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:50:48 -0800, you wrote:

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>On Thursday, January 04, 2001, 4:38:09 PM, Olivier Reubens wrote:
>
> Under Account Properties, "Transport",
>>>simply specify the SMTP server of whichever ISP you have that DOES
>>>allow relaying & is most reliable.
>OR> NONE of the  ISP's in Belgium allow relaying.
>OR> If you know of a provider /smtp server that I could use for relaying,
>OR> it may be a solution...
>
>It doesn't matter what account you are using on TB, what matters is
>what CONNECTION you have. Choose whichever ISP is the most reliable
>for you to connect to, and then use that one for all SMTP. When you
>are logged on, it is not considered relaying. What is a problem if
>your connection is with ISP-1 and you try to send mail to the SMTP for
>ISP-2.

Well a ruling of the ISPA (www.ispa.be) (belgium organisation
regulating ISP's in belgium) stipulates that no SMTP server should
have an "open" line.  In short, ISP's are only allowed to give SMTP
access to users that reach them from withing their own dial-ins/leased
lines/DSL..., but not to someone connecting to it via some other
location on the internet.  And it doesn't matter whether you pay for
your account at a provider and indeed have a mailbox, you are simply
not allowed to send mail using their SMTP server if you didn't dial
into their server.

I've tried locating the actual rules concerning SMTP servers on the
site of the ISPA, but it's not there.  Maybe I need to write them an
e-mail. :-)

There's maybe only one or two providers in Belgium who haven't joined
the ISPA.  But they either don't provide mailboxes, or aren't worth
what they're asking to get an account.  And I have enough accounts
already, I really don't need more of them.  And I can't afford to drop
any of the ones I have and put 'em all onto one server. 

Contrary to what someone else suggested, xs4all.be is also a member of
the ISPA and doesn't have an open SMTP server.  In all practicality,
you can safely say that ALL ISP's in Belgium are member or the ISPA.


Olivier Reubens.
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Re[2]: Multiple email everything.

[Abigail Marshall]

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On Thursday, January 04, 2001, 4:38:09 PM, Olivier Reubens wrote:

 Under Account Properties, "Transport",
>>simply specify the SMTP server of whichever ISP you have that DOES
>>allow relaying & is most reliable.
OR> NONE of the  ISP's in Belgium allow relaying.
OR> If you know of a provider /smtp server that I could use for relaying,
OR> it may be a solution...

It doesn't matter what account you are using on TB, what matters is
what CONNECTION you have. Choose whichever ISP is the most reliable
for you to connect to, and then use that one for all SMTP. When you
are logged on, it is not considered relaying. What is a problem if
your connection is with ISP-1 and you try to send mail to the SMTP for
ISP-2.
>>OR> Am I supposed to make a new mail account for each of my mail accounts
>>OR> (which I get via one and the same POP3 loginname)
>>OR> I haven't found an alternate way to make other "from" mail names.
>>
>>Just right click on the folder where you are replying from, and choose
>>"Properties" - you can set everything under the tab marked "Identity".
OR> The inbox, outbox, sent... only has a "general" tab.  Is it something
OR> only available in the registered version ?

The registered version is the same as the trial.

What you have to do is create another folder or subfolder, filter all
the incoming mail into that subfolder, and then set the subfolder
properties. You will see that you have a lot more options for setting
properties of folders & subfolders.

-Abigail



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