Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
Wednesday, August 19, 2009, at 8:10:05 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: > I haven't got any address book templates that use the %Account= macro > Why are you using it, do you filter your tbudl messages to a common > filter? I've moved the list's folder over to be under the "web" account, and the filter also from "common" to "web" but as you can see the numbering is still there. A true puzzlement; perhaps I'll have to wipe out the whole folder and create it anew under the "web" account -- but if I'm going to do that I might as well create a separate account for the list. I guess that's the next thing to try... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 (AB template for TBUDL entry, no ACCOUNT= macro now) Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
Wednesday, August 19, 2009, at 8:10:05 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: > I haven't got any address book templates that use the %Account= macro > Why are you using it, do you filter your tbudl messages to a common > filter? Yes, I am. Could that be the problem? I'll try changing the sequence just in case it makes a difference. It might well be, since the %Account= macro might take effect AFTER the %SingleRe one and thus override it because of the tick mark... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 (AB template for TBUDL entry) Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
Tuesday, August 18, 2009, at 10:15:27 PM, tracer wrote: > For this msg I am partly using that macro you posted. > I don't see any number in the subject and also in my tail of the msg > for > Antispamsniper which is installed (free one) the version isn't mentioned. > When you edit the templates I assume you have noticed you can if you want > set a > tick mark to get or not get numbers. See my reply to Roelof for details of the current test. The bottom group of lines in the template I posted earlier produce the version numbers, but I'm using the paid version of the sniper and the free version may not include the version macros (which come from the sniper, not from TB!). I see the checkbox on the template dialog for the entire account, but it's not there on the dialog to set a template for either the folder or the AB. If it were, that would solve the whole problem! -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 (AB template for TBUDL entry) Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
Wednesday, August 19, 2009, at 1:37:03 AM, Roelof Otten wrote: > The most common reason for AB templates that aren't used is that > you've got multiple address book entries for the same address. So I searched the AB for "tbudl" and got two entries. I then deleted one of them and searched again to make certain there was only one. Next I restored the tick mark for numbering on the account, after modifying the reply template in the AB to indicate that it's indeed the AB template (as you can see in the signature) -- and behold, the numbering in the subject line is back again despite the "%SingleRe%-" line in the template! Could it be the positioning of the macro within the template? Should it be somewhere else, possibly before the "account" one? The puzzle is getting interesting even though it's somewhat off topic for the original thread... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 (AB template for TBUDL entry) Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
Tuesday, August 18, 2009, at 4:18:42 PM, MFPA wrote: > I suggest re-evaluating whether your new template is working as > expected; my messages do not contain the "[2]" in their subject line. Here's the template, just copied (of course the signature break is part of the template). Still the numbers are getting added, even though I shut down TB! and restarted it just in case the template was being held in RAM rather than read from disk anew for each message. Perchance a bug? %ACCOUNT="web"%- %SingleRe%- On %ODateEn, at %OTimeLongEn, %OFromName wrote: %Quotes %Cursor -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version %ANTISPAMSNIPER_VERSION -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
Tuesday, August 18, 2009, at 1:05:18 PM, MFPA wrote: > How difficult can it be for an email client to send the message-id of > the email it replies to in a "follow-up" header? And does that mean > you get messages with subjects starting, "Re: Re[2]:" (-; Not difficult at all, but it's all up to the folk who write the program and my experience is that most Microsoft mail programs omit this vital threading data. Yes, I do get such messages, and drag them to the proper spot for re-threading in the message list. As for what is happening with the header in this message, my best guess is that the whole subject line of your message is being copied, including the [2]. If the old template were still being used, the number would have incremented to 4 on my previous reply, and thence to 6 for this one. The absence of any increment tells me that the new template is working as expected; the unexpected part is that the old [2] addition didn't get erased from the previous reply! -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
Tuesday, August 18, 2009, at 11:34:42 AM, MFPA wrote: > You could avoid those untidy little numbers in your subject lines by > including in your reply template for TBUDL the following line:- Thanks for reminding me! I keep the numbers in most of my messages, because so many of my correspondents use Outlook and other programs that do not provide proper threading data and the numbers help me manually restore threading in my archives... This reply uses the new template but probably still has the old number from my previous one. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
On Tuesday, August 18, 2009, at 10:01:10 AM, Jens Franik wrote: > And who gives the Virtual Machine access to the Graphic Card and > Screen? If there is an X System running, this needs to be started with > an Account - even if it is unprivileged. I didn't mention that the host system uses GDM, the Gnome Display Manager, to log into the gui automagically. I think it runs as root, as the final stage of the init process. VMWare Server includes its own VNC server, not well documented at all, but that makes it possible for me to access the VM from any other machine on my LAN just as if I were at the host itself, even with nobody logged into the host. That's a definite plus, to me. Right now I'm at the host, but earlier in the thread I was accessing from another box entirely... -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
On Tuesday, August 18, 2009, at 9:27:15 AM, Jens Franik wrote: > And with which System do you access to the Virtual Machine? > There is no Operating System running and no User logged in? The host system is running with no users logged in; it's sitting at the login screen. The VM, of course, is running with my single user logged in, and TB! running as is normal. So there are two operating systems running: the host is sitting at its login screen but VMWare Server is running as a daemon in background, while the VM is running XP with my user logged in. The difference you cite between server and workstation implementation may explain why I have no problem with VMWare Server; I've not attempted to use VMWare's Workstation package. Virtualbox may well be simply a workstation implementation. That difference is good to have pointed out! -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
On Tuesday, August 18, 2009, at 3:07:30 AM, Geoff Lane wrote: > However, I do have one issue with VirtualBox, which is that I have to > keep the user account on the host machine logged in. I've not had that problem with VMWare Server at either version 1.5 or 2; it runs round the clock here with no users logged into the host system. My two VirtualBox installations run only on a test basis, so have not seen this situation but it would be a killer for me. Both VMWare and Sun's Virtualbox are free downloads with no major use restrictions so the choice should be made on the basis of features and performance. The open source version of Virtualbox does have one serious limitation: it doesn't support USB peripherals. However Sun's non-open version does, and that's the one I've installed here. With all these programs it's necessary to install their accessory packages into the VM itself in order to get full functionality. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VMWare Server 2 under Xubuntu 8.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
I think this could work--- I haven't seen any limitations yet, however you may want to post your question to the VMWare forum: http://communities.vmware.com/community/vmtn/desktop/fusion or someone else here may chime in who may have some extra input as well. I hope all works out well for you. Regina (drking) On 8/17/09 1:50 AM, "Achdut18" wrote: > Hello Regina, > > Monday, August 17, 2009, 12:53:28 AM, you wrote: > > RK> Yes, I switched over to a Mac about a month ago with VMWare Fusion. > RK> Everything works great with thebat! and all your other windows-based > RK> programs. > > This sounds very encouraging. There is an additional component that I > neglected to write about in my first post: > > I use The Bat in two locally networked computers. One is a pc desktop, that > has the > initial installation of The Bat. The second is a laptop on which I > have loaded The Bat, but when The Bat is accessed, it reads mail off > of the desktop. Mail can be downloaded and sent from either > machine, and viewed simultaneously; however the mail actually "resides" on > the desktop, with > the laptop's registry files merely indicating that the actual mail > files are residing on the desktop. Do you know if this type of > network setup will work when running XP inside of VMware's Fusion? > I expect the desktop will be switched to a Mac at some point, but > not right away. > Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing
Hello Regina, Monday, August 17, 2009, 12:53:28 AM, you wrote: RK> Yes, I switched over to a Mac about a month ago with VMWare Fusion. RK> Everything works great with thebat! and all your other windows-based RK> programs. This sounds very encouraging. There is an additional component that I neglected to write about in my first post: I use The Bat in two locally networked computers. One is a pc desktop, that has the initial installation of The Bat. The second is a laptop on which I have loaded The Bat, but when The Bat is accessed, it reads mail off of the desktop. Mail can be downloaded and sent from either machine, and viewed simultaneously; however the mail actually "resides" on the desktop, with the laptop's registry files merely indicating that the actual mail files are residing on the desktop. Do you know if this type of network setup will work when running XP inside of VMware's Fusion? I expect the desktop will be switched to a Mac at some point, but not right away. -- Avi Avram Sacks Using The Bat 4.0.18 on Windows XP Pro sp3 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
