Re: Read Filters

2004-02-09 Thread Stuart Hemming
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M Remember what Al+F2 does? It opens the shortcut editor :-)
How did you manage that? When I try to set it up using the spacebar
it's not registered; the shortcut reads 'none'.

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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-09 Thread Stuart Hemming
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AM Interesting. Never could do that. Lucky you. :) I'd use read filters
AM more if that worked here.
I manually mark all mine read and the read filter works, it's just if
I mark multiple messages that I have a problem.

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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-09 Thread MAU
Hello Stuart,

 How did you manage that? When I try to set it up using the spacebar
 it's not registered; the shortcut reads 'none'.

To tell you the truth, I don't remember. I did it a long time ago. I
seem to recall there was some conflict and that I had to change some
other shortcut first, but I'm not even sure about this

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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-09 Thread Stuart Hemming
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M To tell you the truth, I don't remember. I did it a long time ago. I
M seem to recall there was some conflict and that I had to change some
M other shortcut first, but I'm not even sure about this
I've cleared the existing shortcut that used space, but as I couldn't
even assign the key I can't see how that could have been the problem.

[later]

I've just tried with another - in use - shortcut and it allowed me to
do that.

I think that this is a  bug. I've posted something in TBBETA asking if
someone else could try using SPACE as a new shortcut.

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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-09 Thread MAU
Hello Stuart,

 I've just tried with another - in use - shortcut and it allowed me to
 do that.
 
 I think that this is a  bug. I've posted something in TBBETA asking if
 someone else could try using SPACE as a new shortcut.

Yes, I've seen your message in TBBETA. Let's see.

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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-08 Thread Robin Anson
Miguel, Allie

Thank you both for identifying why my read filters don't work as I thought
they should. I also had one of the autoread options set, and have been
frustrated that filters don't work when I manually marking a message read.
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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-07 Thread MAU
Hello Peter,

 But somehow I can't seem to link your ALT-Fnn to the msg thread.

OK, Alt+F12 opens the Shortcut Editor. And that is what I used t assign
Space to mark my messages as read and Enter to move to next unread.

 Am I missing something ??

Maybe another beer? ;-)

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One of these days I will. Right now I'm to busy answering silly
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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-07 Thread Allie Martin
Mau, [M] wrote:

 AFAIK, the shortcut to mark a message read is CTRL-M.

M Not in my TB :)

Alrighty. :) In my TB! '/' moves me to the next message. I don't have to
manually mark messages read often enough to need a convenient shortcut,
so I haven't reassigned that one.

Anyway, back to business, I've never been able to trigger a read filter
by manually marking a message read. You're fortunate. :) I just tested
again and the same result obtains, i.e., messages aren't moved.

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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-07 Thread MAU
Hello Allie,

 Anyway, back to business, I've never been able to trigger a read filter
 by manually marking a message read. You're fortunate. :) I just tested
 again and the same result obtains, i.e., messages aren't moved.

I usually (99.9%) just use the message list pane and the preview pane
where I read my messages. I have just tried Folder View and here I need
to use Ctrl+M to mark messages as read but the Read filters still work
and move messages just fine. I even tried from the MailTicker review
window (or however it is called, I never MailTicker) and Ctrl+M triggers
Read filters just fine.

Read filters have always worked for me this way. If you recall from a
couple of times I have explained my set-up, I get most of my incoming
mail moved to MyInbox folder where I do read it, and Read filters are
the ones that sort e-mail to appropriate folder once I have actually
read it and hit Space to mark it as Read.

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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-07 Thread Allie Martin
Mau, [M] wrote:

M I usually (99.9%) just use the message list pane and the preview pane
M where I read my messages. I have just tried Folder View and here I
M need to use Ctrl+M to mark messages as read but the Read filters
M still work and move messages just fine. I even tried from the
M MailTicker review window (or however it is called, I never
M MailTicker) and Ctrl+M triggers Read filters just fine.

Interesting. Never could do that. Lucky you. :) I'd use read filters
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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-07 Thread MAU
Hello Allie,

 Interesting. Never could do that. Lucky you. :) I'd use read filters
 more if that worked here.

Either you have something misconfigured or there is a bug and you should
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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-07 Thread Allie Martin
Mau, [M] wrote:

 Interesting. Never could do that. Lucky you. :) I'd use read filters
 more if that worked here.

M Either you have something misconfigured or there is a bug and you should
M then report it.

This has been a limitation I've lived with since I started using TB! in
1999. I never really considered it a bug since it has always been this
way and I've always offered advice with this limitation in mind. I also
have vivid memories of others describing the limitation and my having to
tell them that it's a limitation and not their doing something wrong.

What OS version are you using?

How do you set up the marking of your messages as read. Do you do it
only manually? Do you have auto-read flagging disabled?

Also, see if your read filtering works on messages that you manually
mark unread and then mark read. Perhaps it's my testing that's the
problem and this is usually how I'd try to get it working by manually
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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-07 Thread MAU
Hello Allie,

 What OS version are you using?

Win2K SP4

 How do you set up the marking of your messages as read. Do you do it
 only manually? Do you have auto-read flagging disabled?

Yes, only manually. And yes, disabled.

 Also, see if your read filtering works on messages that you manually
 mark unread and then mark read.

Yes, it works. And the filters are also triggered if I mar as read from
the right click context menu. It just works, period. Well, except when
selecting multiple messages.

 Perhaps it's my testing that's the problem and this is usually how I'd
 try to get it working by manually marking them read.

As I say, it just works here :)

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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-07 Thread Allie Martin
Miguel Urech, [MU] wrote:

 How do you set up the marking of your messages as read. Do you do it
 only manually? Do you have auto-read flagging disabled?

MU Yes, only manually. And yes, disabled.

This is it!!! :)

When I disable auto-read flagging completely (i.e., disabling the two
autoread flagging options), the filtering works as you describe.

I've always made TB! do auto-read flagging since I never really wish to
do so manually. It's so repetitive to be doing so but you must have your
reasons which I respect, so no need to defend it now. :)

Anyway, if you enable auto-read flagging to say 20 seconds so that you
have time to manually apply the read flag, you'll see that the filtering
no longer works.

I didn't realize this until now. :)

I'll discuss this one on TBBETA.

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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-07 Thread MAU
Hello Allie,

MU Yes, only manually. And yes, disabled.
 
 This is it!!! :)

You mean you had never tried that? Well, better late than never! :)

 I've always made TB! do auto-read flagging since I never really wish to
 do so manually. It's so repetitive to be doing so but you must have your
 reasons which I respect, so no need to defend it now. :)

I don't want to auto-read in 2, or 20 or N seconds, but I hated having
to use Ctrl+M or any other keyboard combination. That is why I
configured to use Space.

 Anyway, if you enable auto-read flagging to say 20 seconds so that you
 have time to manually apply the read flag, you'll see that the
 filtering no longer works.

Yes sir, you are right.

 I'll discuss this one on TBBETA.

Great! Some people may be missing the good things about Read filters
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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-07 Thread Allie Martin
Miguel Urech, [MU] wrote:

MU Yes, only manually. And yes, disabled.
 
 This is it!!! :)

MU You mean you had never tried that?

Nope. Never had a reason to. I've had reason to prevent messages from
being auto-flagged as read when being viewed in the preview window but
not in a separate window. However, I've never wanted to completely
disable auto-read flagging.

MU Well, better late than never! :)

:) Took me years to discover this hitch.

 I've always made TB! do auto-read flagging since I never really wish to
 do so manually. It's so repetitive to be doing so but you must have your
 reasons which I respect, so no need to defend it now. :)

MU I don't want to auto-read in 2, or 20 or N seconds, but I hated having
MU to use Ctrl+M or any other keyboard combination. That is why I
MU configured to use Space.

I'm toying with the idea of making my PowerPro shortcut not only do a
ctrlaltright arrow, but to first do a ctrlm.

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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-07 Thread MAU
Hello Allie,

 I'm toying with the idea of making my PowerPro shortcut not only do a
 ctrlaltright arrow, but to first do a ctrlm.

I though about something like that but decided on Space and Enter. That
is so also because, when I process web queries (all in a single folder
and all unread), the Read filter I have to extract e-mail and send a
subscription request to one of my newsletter also moves the message to
Trash. So, I don't even have to Enter to move to next unread :)

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Read Filters

2004-02-06 Thread shemming
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I've got a READ filter that moves messages to a folder and it works
fine if I mark as read single messages, but if I mark multiple
messages it doesn't. Is this right or is it a bug?

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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-06 Thread MAU
Hello shemming,

 I've got a READ filter that moves messages to a folder and it works
 fine if I mark as read single messages, but if I mark multiple
 messages it doesn't. Is this right or is it a bug?

I use many Read filters but I always use/used them on single messages.
You are right, it doesn't work if multiple messages are selected. What I
don't know is if it should work that way and it can then be considered a
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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-06 Thread Allie Martin
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I've got a READ filter that moves messages to a folder and it works
fine if I mark as read single messages, but if I mark multiple
messages it doesn't. Is this right or is it a bug?
Normally, the filter is triggered when unread messages are automatically
marked as read as you read/browse them. To mark multiple messages as
read would amount to a manual action and read filters aren't triggered
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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-06 Thread MAU
Hello Allie,

 Normally, the filter is triggered when unread messages are automatically
 marked as read as you read/browse them. To mark multiple messages as
 read would amount to a manual action and read filters aren't triggered
 then.

I mark my messages as read manually, by hitting Space when I decide I
_have_ read them. That is a manual action, isn't it?

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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-06 Thread Allie Martin
Mau, [M] wrote:

M I mark my messages as read manually, by hitting Space when I decide I
M _have_ read them. That is a manual action, isn't it?

AFAIK, the shortcut to mark a message read is CTRL-M.

What does hitting space do for you? Move to another message?

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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-06 Thread MAU
Hello Allie,

 AFAIK, the shortcut to mark a message read is CTRL-M.

Not in my TB :)

 What does hitting space do for you? Move to another message?

No, Space marks as read and Enter moves to next unread.

Remember what Al+F2 does? It opens the shortcut editor :-)

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Re[2]: Read Filters

2004-02-06 Thread Peter Ouwehand
Hello MAU,

on Sat, 7 Feb 2004 01:56:32 +0100 (2004-02-07 01:56:32 in .nl) in the
message with reference mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you
[] wrote (at least in part):

M Remember what Al+F2 does? It opens the shortcut editor :-)

I don't 'remember' what yours does, but here it does a 'Check Mail For
All'.

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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-06 Thread MAU
Hello Peter,

M Remember what Al+F2 does? It opens the shortcut editor :-)
 
 I don't 'remember' what yours does, but here it does a 'Check Mail For
 All'.
 
 Messed up shortcuts maybe..??

Oooops! I meant to type Alt+F12, Alt+F12. Sorry

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Re[2]: Read Filters

2004-02-06 Thread Peter Ouwehand
Hello MAU,

on Sat, 7 Feb 2004 02:59:09 +0100 (2004-02-07 02:59:09 in .nl) in the
message with reference mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you
[] wrote (at least in part):

 Messed up shortcuts maybe..??

M Oooops! I meant to type Alt+F12, Alt+F12. Sorry

Ok, so it does here.

But somehow I can't seem to link your ALT-Fnn to the msg thread.
Am I missing something ??

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Re: Read Filters

2004-02-06 Thread dAniel hAhler
Hello bats,

on Fri, 6. Feb 2004 at 17:30:57 +0100 MAU wrote:

M I use many Read filters but I always use/used them on single messages.
M You are right, it doesn't work if multiple messages are selected. What I
M don't know is if it should work that way and it can then be considered a
M bug.

/me thinks, that it should work with multiple messages - of course,
because it's just a manual triggered action to mark more messages and
hit ctrl-M (on marked messages or a whole folder).

I have no Read Messages filter yet, but I would expect this
behaviour..

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Read filters

2003-01-02 Thread Ricardo M. Reyes
I'm starting to use the read-filters and noticed that the ctrl-M
shortcut doesn't trigger them (I have to open the msg in a new window
to execute the filter).

I think I'll add it to the bugtrack site, but before I'd like to know
if I'm the only one seeing this. Maybe it's fixed the last builds
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Read Filters

2001-01-02 Thread Douglas Hinds


Hello TBUDL,

I haven't been using Read Filters, so I know little regarding the
way they work. I intend to delete the messages sent by those who
insist on using html on other lists, doing so by filtering on their
email address as sender.

The problem is that all messages for lists go into their own folder,
and incoming filters apparently work ONLY on the inbox, not on
subdirectories. I could use a read filter there, but that would work
only if the message were marked read - or would it?

I made a read filter that has as actions, both mark as read and
delete message. It caught some but not others. The problem isn't
with the incoming mail, it's with cleaning up the mail that's
already filtered to their own directory,

I could do this manually, but want to know more about how TB!
implements read filters. The kill filters don't seem to work for me,
either.

Any suggestions or pointers?

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Re: Read Filters

2001-01-02 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hi Douglas,

On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 22:58:23 -0600GMT (03/01/2001, 12:58 +0800GMT),
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DH Hello TBUDL,

DH I intend to delete the messages sent by those who
DH insist on using html on other lists, doing so by filtering on their
DH email address as sender.

I would use an incoming filter and delete the message (and mark it as
read, otherwise you have a "new" message in the Trash folder). This
filter should be executed before the list filter.

DH The problem is that all messages for lists go into their own folder,
DH and incoming filters apparently work ONLY on the inbox, not on
DH subdirectories.

They work manually on other folders than the inbox, if you focus on
that folder and execute the filter.

DH I could use a read filter there, but that would work only if the
DH message were marked read - or would it?

It kicks in when the message changes its status from "new" to "read".

Some people don't use Incoming filters, so that all new messages
arrive in the Inbox. When they read them, the message will be sorted
into the appropriate folders. That's the idea.

DH I could do this manually, but want to know more about how TB!
DH implements read filters. The kill filters don't seem to work for me,
DH either.

If the FROM address is the poster's email address, not the list
address, kill filters should work. However, since you're on dial-up, I
would suggest incoming filters anyway.

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Re: Read Filters

2001-01-02 Thread Douglas Hinds



Hello Thomas  others on TBUDL following this thread,

Wednesday, January 03, 2001, you stated regarding Read Filters:

TF I would use an incoming filter and delete the message (and mark it as
TF read, otherwise you have a "new" message in the Trash folder). This
TF filter should be executed before the list filter.

DH The problem is that all messages for lists go into their own folder,
DH and incoming filters apparently work ONLY on the inbox, not on
DH subdirectories.

TF They work manually on other folders than the inbox, if you focus on
TF that folder and execute the filter.

That's what I did, in the sense that I activated it by typing
alt+f+f. But I did NOT check manual only, since the filer itself
isn't checked manual only, just active. I I set the filter to manual
only, I would HAVE to activate it via a command  check manual only
- or am I mistaken? (I've forgotten, as this has been covered).

DH I could use a read filter there, but that would work only if the
DH message were marked read - or would it?

TF Some people don't use Incoming filters, so that all new messages
TF arrive in the Inbox. When they read them, the message will be sorted
TF into the appropriate folders. That's the idea.

I used to like that, before the email volume increased to the point
that much of it is never read. So the ticker doesn't help much
either. I just check the new line on the inboxes and filter most
things to their folders.

DH I could do this manually, but want to know more about how TB!
DH implements read filters. The kill filters don't seem to work for me,
DH either.

TF If the FROM address is the poster's email address, not the list
TF address, kill filters should work.

It didn't.

TF However, since you're on dial-up, I
TF would suggest incoming filters anyway.

I may have to begin by deleting manually what has already been
filtered previously.

Thanks, Tom

DH

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