Re[2]: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Hi Allie Wednesday, September 10, 2003, 8:30:23 PM, you wrote: AM> If you have your own domain, you can accurately tell, based on the AM> In-Reply-To header which messages are direct replies to yours. Useful. I remember a thread in which this was discussed earlier. I'll keep it in mind for when I do get my own domain. Thanks for the tip. Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Vishal, [V] wrote: V> Hear hear. I'd *really* like to see some nice complicated things that V> people do with TB. I'm sure there are people here who can us better V> ways to handle our email. If you have your own domain, you can accurately tell, based on the In-Reply-To header which messages are direct replies to yours. I use a filter in TB! that filters on incoming in-reply-to headers to see if the message id contains my domain landscreek.net. If so, a sound is triggered and the message is colour coded. The string match is a regular expression, so you have to enable regular expressions in the filter rule options. An example expression is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] location:Kludges Presence: yes In this way I can easily see which messages are replies to mine and if I'm at or near the machine, I get an audible indicator that a reply to one of my messages has arrived. You can do this with other message types so that you prioritize messages, and read the more important ones first. -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://www.ac-martin.com/pgpkeys.html _ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Hi Jack Saturday, September 6, 2003, 10:56:16 AM, you wrote: JM> Many of TB's features go unused by me because: JM> 1. I don't even know some of them are there JM> 2. I don't know how to put them to good use Hear hear. I'd *really* like to see some nice complicated things that people do with TB. I'm sure there are people here who can us better ways to handle our email. Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Hi Steve Saturday, September 6, 2003, 12:29:23 PM, you wrote: SMK> I'm beginning to feel that the standard 30-day trial SMK> period just isn't enough, and that maybe users should push for 60 to 90 days. For TB? How about one year? It might be enough :) Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Bill Blinn Technology Editor wrote: > final analysis, I'd prefer that RIT Labs spend limited resources on > continuing to develop the best MUA on the planet even if that means > documentation doesn't get done. I have trouble with the view that a Help file is some sort of optional extra. Information on how to use a program's features, and indeed what features are available, is in itself a vital feature. Failure to provide one is poor programming, IMO. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
At 2:48 PM on 9/6/2003, Paul Richardson typed ... P> I sympathise. I too am a refugee from another program, and haven't even P> been using TB as long as you. Powerful it may be, but what's the use P> if a substantial part of that power is undocumented. It's pretty P> shabby, IMO. Without the kind help of this list, I would probably have P> given up on TB by now. I guess it all comes down to a willingness on the user's part, after recognizing the power of the software and the limitations of the documentation, to decide if it's worth the WORK (and yes, it is work) to learn how the application functions. For me, the answer was easy. TB is so powerful, so adaptable, so configurable, and so full of features that I can't live without that I'm willing to spend the time needed to learn how it works. I've been using TB since early version 1 and it takes no more than a glance at other products' feature sets to convince me that they might be prettier or better documented, but they will also be disappointing. Documentation has always been the weakest part of the application; I, too, hope that changes. If it doesn't, TBUDL does a fine job. In the final analysis, I'd prefer that RIT Labs spend limited resources on continuing to develop the best MUA on the planet even if that means documentation doesn't get done. -- Bill Blinn Technology Editor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - 9/6/2003 at 2:51 PM Technology Editor, Newsradio 610 WTVN, Columbus, Ohio Using The Bat! v2.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Random thought: "I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts." -- Will Rogers Featured speaker at PowerPoint Live - Tucson, Arizona October 12-15, 2003 - http://www.pptlive.com/ Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Steve & Mary King wrote: > We didn't start using The Bat! until the first week of July '03. We moved > from Poco because, after 2+ years of using it, the unfixed bugs and poor > documentation were driving me nuts. Everybody raved about The Bat!'s power, > so I decide to switch. I'm beginning to feel that the standard 30-day trial > period just isn't enough, and that maybe users should push for 60 to 90 days. I sympathise. I too am a refugee from another program, and haven't even been using TB as long as you. Powerful it may be, but what's the use if a substantial part of that power is undocumented. It's pretty shabby, IMO. Without the kind help of this list, I would probably have given up on TB by now. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, September 06, 2003, Jack Morrison wrote... >> There is a readme.txt file with the 2.0 install that gives the >> history of changes from as early as ver 1.00.17 > James, I think his point was that it's not available until *after* > you buy v2.0. The description of the new scheduling feature, for > example, just doesn't do it justice. Or you can use a third party application, such as WinAce, or maybe WinRAR to open the install program to get to it, or just install the demo. However I do agree, it should certainly be easier to get to that kind of information. > Using TB is like dating a gorgeous woman who's afraid to take off > her clothes with the lights on. ;) *grins* nice analogy ;) - -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) This space intentionally left blank. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQA/AwUBP1onIyuD6BT4/R9zEQL7fACcDfgebmCkwxyndHqgxqdCdp7DzWwAniQ7 WPMuRuH/pCQjuWQTJhXLaCHK =Z6qN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Saturday, September 6, 2003, 12:16:25 PM, you wrote: > Hello Jack, > Saturday, September 6, 2003, 10:56:16 AM, you wrote: >>> I wish there was a concise description of the >>> changes/additions from 1.62 to 2.0 somewhere. JM>> Make that two of us. > There is a readme.txt file with the 2.0 install that gives the > history of changes from as early as ver 1.00.17 James, I think his point was that it's not available until *after* you buy v2.0. The description of the new scheduling feature, for example, just doesn't do it justice. Anyway, that's always been TB's major flaw -- the lack of adequately descriptive documentation. Using TB is like dating a gorgeous woman who's afraid to take off her clothes with the lights on. ;) -- Best regards, Jack Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Hello Jack, Saturday, September 6, 2003, 10:56:16 AM, you wrote: >> I wish there was a concise description of the >> changes/additions from 1.62 to 2.0 somewhere. JM> Make that two of us. There is a readme.txt file with the 2.0 install that gives the history of changes from as early as ver 1.00.17 -- Jim pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Saturday, September 6, 2003, 5:29:23 PM, Steve wrote: SMK> We didn't start using The Bat! until the first week of July '03. We moved SMK> from Poco because, after 2+ years of using it, the unfixed bugs and poor SMK> documentation were driving me nuts. Everybody raved about The Bat!'s power, SMK> so I decide to switch. I'm beginning to feel that the standard 30-day trial SMK> period just isn't enough, and that maybe users should push for 60 to 90 days. Perhaps these would be useful - assuming you've not found them already...? Welcome to the Bat Beginners MFAQ (Most Frequently Asked Questions) http://www.mailmejobs.com/tbmaq.htm then there's this one: The Bat FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBFAQ.html and a new bit (still in its infancy and awaiting more How To's) The Bat! Beginners Zone http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/beginners/ -- Cheers, Anne Flying high with The Bat! v2.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Saturday, September 6, 2003, 5:40:34 PM, Günter wrote: GM> It's mainly a list of bug fixes from the beta programme. The scheduler is mentioned GM> but nothing about what it does (the website doesn't even mention it at all). GM> In any case, you only get this once you've installed V2. I would have thought it GM> useful to tell people what it can do before they install it. It's actually more than just bugfixes - but is, as you say, there after installation - so making it available to anyone interested may serve a purpose. ;-) The website does mention the Scheduler - from the page I posted the link to: "# Scheduler notifies about upcoming events, postponed messages and performs other automated tasks; " -- Cheers, Anne Flying high with The Bat! v2.00 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
On Sunday, September 7, 2003, 2:00:46 AM, Anne wrote: > How about this one? It's not exactly concise but it's pretty > comprehensive and is worth a look through! It's taken from the > Readme.txt file which is included with v2.0 on installation: It's mainly a list of bug fixes from the beta programme. The scheduler is mentioned but nothing about what it does (the website doesn't even mention it at all). In any case, you only get this once you've installed V2. I would have thought it useful to tell people what it can do before they install it. Regards, Günter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 2.00 Windows XP Version 5 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Paul, Saturday, September 6, 2003, 8:26:52 AM, you wrote:== > Steve & Mary King wrote: >> The documentation of the new features, >> if they work, is mostly incomplete and/or nonexistent. Perhaps they should >> have waited until things were together instead of rushing to meet schedules > The documentation for 1.6 is similarly very poor, so I don't think > schedules are an excuse for that aspect of TB's shortcomings. We didn't start using The Bat! until the first week of July '03. We moved from Poco because, after 2+ years of using it, the unfixed bugs and poor documentation were driving me nuts. Everybody raved about The Bat!'s power, so I decide to switch. I'm beginning to feel that the standard 30-day trial period just isn't enough, and that maybe users should push for 60 to 90 days. Sigh!!! Maybe I'll retry Becky. I handle software switches quite easily, but my wife will go nuts learning another interface after she just got comfortable with this. She got quite upset with the icon switch in 2.0, so I had to install the old icons. Another sigh!!! Steve . . . Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Saturday, September 6, 2003, 3:56:16 PM, Jack wrote: >> I wish there was a concise description of the >> changes/additions from 1.62 to 2.0 somewhere. JM> Make that two of us. How about this one? It's not exactly concise but it's pretty comprehensive and is worth a look through! It's taken from the Readme.txt file which is included with v2.0 on installation: (BTW there is a concise summary on the Ritlabs website here: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/ ) What's new in The Bat! 2.00? [ Legend: ] [ + Added feature] [ * Improved/changed feature ] [ - Bug fixed (we hope) ] [!] Fully reworked true IMAP support [!] PGP/MIME support added, so it is now possible to send PGP signed/encrypted files without hassle [!] An ability to send out messages in HTML format [!] Built-in support for PGP v6-8 [!] Completely rewritten preview pane with more sensible options [!] Universal interface for handling signed/encrypted messages - no matter which system is used [!] Scheduler is now available in the SmartBat window or by pressing Alt+F6 [+] Possibility to use an alternative editor using the Message Editor "Options|Message format" menu options[+] Check Spelling before Send/Queue option in the message editor [+] "Specials|Remind later" menu for setting message reminders [-] Specials| Create Filter (Shift-Ctrl-F) didn't work when message auto-view was turned off. [-] The Bat! didn't support the SMIMEEncryptionKeyPreference S/MIME attribute and thus was unable to verify digital signatures made by Outlook XP. [-] SmartBat contents wasn't saved when exiting The Bat! with open SmartBat. [-] Fixed some incompatibilities with RFC2797 (Certificate Management Messages over CMS). [-] There was an action in sorted/office filters which was logged as an error and caused an exclamation sound. [*] In case of CRAM-MD5 authentication failure on SMTP, there is a fallback to less secure authentication mechanisms, unless "Require secure authentication" option is checked. [-] Fixed a bug in "Message Redirect" command with inserting the redirector's Reply-To information into the redirected message if the original message didn't have the Reply-To field set. [-] Removed flickering in the About box when the credits are scrolled. [+] Possibility to choose MailTicker folders at once by right clicking on the MailTicker. [-] Attachments were not deleted from the attachments directory when they were deleted from the Trash folder. [-] TLS error messages weren't logged. [-] "Sender" was added to the address list in "Reply To All" command. [-] Change of Account/Folder directory and removal of account files wasn't handled gracefully. [-] The Bat! didn't properly support Serbian Cyrillic. [*] More diagnostic information is given when reporting error in displaying html. [-] A work-around for the WinSock buffer overrun bug. [-] Parameter SELECTED was ignored in tag of HTML messages. [*] The Bat! issues 'RSET' SMTP command after each message sent to prevent subsequent message to be send to addressees of a previous message on some odd servers. [+] Forwarded flag can be used in the "View|Display|Advanced filtering". [-] Local delivery was working only for one message per address. [-] Some problems with splitters. [-] Address books were not restored correctly for "fresh" installations. [-] Messages restored from parts were not checked for viruses.[*] Folders are now stored in new format (ACCOUNT.FLD), which should be more safe for networking and system crashes [*] Some CSAPI engines (like Czech, Slovak, maybe Polish and others) are handled more precisely [*] Windows editor: sticky setting, spell checking, search/replace [*] A possible work-around for some CSAPI spell checking dictionaries [-] Folders were not correctly created automatically when a message-based filter was created (Specials|Create filter) (introduced in 1.63 Beta/1) [-] Even Quoted text color/style was not remembered (introduced in 1.63 Beta/3) [-] Some cosmetic fixes to the new preferences dialogue [*] Windows plain text editor now wraps text in a more comfortable way :-) [*] SmartQuoting algorithm is improved a bit. [-] New Accounts did not keep properties (bug introduced in 1.63 Beta) [-] "Reply to Sender" was erroneously using the Sender message field instead of From [*] Display name for address book editing is now done is another way [-] Search for whole words was not working correctly is text was starting with a searched word(s) [-] Wrong account could be used for reading confirmation message if a message from a different account was selected prior to RC creation [-] Access Violation when the common Trash folder was deleted [-] Email addresses with a ' were not highlighted correctly [-] Menu Navigator did not change language before its reset or program restart [-] URLs were not functioning in SmartBat [+] More access options for accounts with user rights. [+] Ctrl+Ins in a message list copies URLs (in msgid: form) of s
Re: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Steve & Mary King wrote: > The documentation of the new features, > if they work, is mostly incomplete and/or nonexistent. Perhaps they should > have waited until things were together instead of rushing to meet schedules The documentation for 1.6 is similarly very poor, so I don't think schedules are an excuse for that aspect of TB's shortcomings. -- Paul Richardson Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Jack, Saturday, September 6, 2003, 7:56:16 AM, you wrote:== > Make that two of us. > Plus a central location for gathering information on innovative ways to > actually use some of these features. > Many of TB's features go unused by me because: > 1. I don't even know some of them are there > 2. I don't know how to put them to good use I think the release of 2.0 was quite premature. The upgrade policies seem to differ, depending on who you contact. The documentation of the new features, if they work, is mostly incomplete and/or nonexistent. Perhaps they should have waited until things were together instead of rushing to meet schedules and leaving features and documentation incomplete. Steve . . . Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Friday, September 5, 2003, 11:52:34 PM, you wrote: > On Saturday, September 6, 2003, 9:54:29 AM, Jack Morrison wrote: >> But having the scheduler a >> part of TB finally allowed me to remove Outlook 2002 from my system. >> The only reason it was still there was because I still used its >> Calendar, To-Do, etc. functions. > Is that what it does? Yup. > I wish there was a concise description of the > changes/additions from 1.62 to 2.0 somewhere. Make that two of us. Plus a central location for gathering information on innovative ways to actually use some of these features. Many of TB's features go unused by me because: 1. I don't even know some of them are there 2. I don't know how to put them to good use -- Best regards, Jack Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
On Saturday, September 6, 2003, 2:52:34 PM, I wrote: > I wish there was a concise description of the > changes/additions from 1.62 to 2.0 somewhere. Well there's only one way of finding out, so I took the plunge and installed V2. The scheduler (not mentioned on the Ritlabs website at all) is nice, as is the new editor. I was hoping I'd be able to use an external editor of my choice but unless it's a well-hidden feature it seems that's not possible yet. Now all I need is for CIFnet to get the registration key to me... Regards, Günter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 2.00 Windows XP Version 5 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
On Saturday, September 6, 2003, 9:54:29 AM, Jack Morrison wrote: > But having the scheduler a > part of TB finally allowed me to remove Outlook 2002 from my system. > The only reason it was still there was because I still used its > Calendar, To-Do, etc. functions. Is that what it does? I wish there was a concise description of the changes/additions from 1.62 to 2.0 somewhere. The Ritlabs website is rather vague on these, seems to assume that everyone took part in the Beta programme. Regards, Günter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 1.62r Windows XP Version 5 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scheduler - reasons to go V2
Friday, September 5, 2003, 6:24:29 PM, you wrote: >So why do I need the scheduler? I don't think need is the right word there. But having the scheduler a part of TB finally allowed me to remove Outlook 2002 from my system. The only reason it was still there was because I still used its Calendar, To-Do, etc. functions. The TB's scheduler doesn't have as many features at Outlook, and it's not as sophisticated, etc., but it more than meets my requirements. And SmartBat is a nice feature, too, and I'm sure I'll come up with a lot of uses for it. Right now though, I just use it as a very convenient scratch pad. Of course, I'm also anxious to see what MS's new OneNote program will have to offer, but it won't be out until late October, at the earliest. But it sounds very, very interesting. PS: I would have paid the $17.50 upgrade price just for the new, fresh look of v2.0, but then I'm weird like that. :) -- Best regards, Jack Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Scheduler - reasons to go V2
I'm still looking for good reasons to upgrade. I don't use IMAP (ISP doesn't support it), have no need for PGP, and have never been bothered by any serious bugs in the version I use. The scheduler might be an incentive, but although there are a lot of mentions of it I'm not sure what it does. I'm on a broadband connection and poll for new mail every five minutes anyway. So why do I need the scheduler? Another good reason would be the new editor, or the ability to use an editor of my choice. So what does V2 offer in that department? Any other compelling reasons for someone like me to upgrade? Other than the prospect of future improvements and the fact that if I don't within two months it will be more expensive? Regards, Günter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 1.62r Windows XP Version 5 Build 2600 Current version is 2.00 | "Using TBUDL" information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
