Re: TB! v 1.39 Installation
Hello Douglas, On Thursday, January 20, 2000 you wrote: The file - that was downloaded on Jan 19 from http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe is evidently not a compressed file and wants to go into a setup routine when I click on it. Do I need to go through that? You don't have to, but you can. TB installation program only copies the files to specified directory, nothing else -- it doesn't make any changes to registry etc. Even if someone install TB for the first time, the install program doesn't do anything with configuration -- it's TB itself that runs the configuration wizard... -- Christopher J. Trybowski === --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- uin:4350719 --- http://www.trybik.i.krakow.pl --- pgp-keys: 0xB92EEE69 0x9382700B ===( get-pgp-keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=send_key )=== Using The Bat! 1.39 [reg] under Windows 98 4.10 build 1998. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB! v 1.39 Installation
Hello Douglas Hinds, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:10:19 -0600 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 4:10:19 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Douglas Hinds wrote: Douglas Hello fellow TBUDL members, Douglas Wednesday, Jan 19, 2000 07:13:30 I wrote to ask: Douglas Does upgrading from v. 1.38e to v. 1.39 involve more than switching Douglas the .exe file? (as in the last 2 previous upgrades - the last of which Douglas also had a new help file if I remember correctly). Douglas The file - that was downloaded on Jan 19 from Douglas http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe Douglas is evidently not a compressed file and wants to go into a setup Douglas routine when I click on it. Do I need to go through that? Douglas The above was included in a post with a number of other issues and Douglas wasn't responded to. Since you already have it downloaded I would just install the whole thing as one never knows what other undocumented changed have been made... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Hello Tom Plunket, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:42:57 -0800 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 3:42:57 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tom Plunket wrote: Tom If you were to come to get carpal tunnel syndrome (which has been Tom extending its talons into me recently), you'll come to appreciate the Tom difference between pressing ^] for next message vs. 'n' or space. t whats wrong with arrow up and down? Tom Nothing, if unread messages thread anywhere near one another. ^] is Tom the only single-key way I know to expand threads and jump read Tom messages though. If there's another way, I'd love someone to mention Tom it. My messages are sorted in received order and as they are filtered into their various folders, normally they are near each other. Tom -tom! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[4]: TB! v 1.39 Installation
Hello G. Cowling, SRNA, On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 00:18:53 -0500 GMT your local time, which was Friday, January 21, 2000, 12:18:53 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, G. Cowling, SRNA wrote: G. in response to my saying: DH but while many of your comments may be helpful, I strongly suggest DH you suspend your assumptions to a greater degree and try to DH assimilate the approach TB takes to windows email. G. I'd probably have taken this response the same way he did. G. It also seems to me that software should assimilate and be responsive G. to the needs of its users - not vice versa. It as always depends on what the user wants who requests, how many others want the features, how mych work, ie economical to do it, and if others would object. Anyway, havent we made enough dead horses(g)? I would prefer to see V2 before we ask for any more big changes,, Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB! v 1.39 Installation
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 00:18:53 -0500, G. Cowling, SRNA wrote: DH but while many of your comments may be helpful, I strongly suggest DH you suspend your assumptions to a greater degree and try to DH assimilate the approach TB takes to windows email. I'd probably have taken this response the same way he did. It also seems to me that software should assimilate and be responsive to the needs of its users - not vice versa. I disagree here. What you describe there is a relatively impractical expectation. Most of the more powerful apps that I've ever used were all awkward at first and took some getting used to. X-News is my most recent jaunt. I remembered putting it aside a couple times but decided to give it a chance this time around and had a much better time of it. TB! was rather nice and this was relatively easy because I had used so many clients before it. The Unix way of doing things seems better in any respects but believe me, it doesn't come naturally at first. You simply have to *grow* to love it, especially if you are used to Windows. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ "Quickly, bring me a beaker of wine, so that I may wet my mind and say something clever" - Aristophanes: Knights ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB! v 1.39 Installation
On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 06:45:00 +0100, Jast wrote: True, but it's hard for software itself to do so. Sure, you can make it super-customizable, but that will always mean work for the user to customize it. If you get to learn a new software with new paradigms, you should try to get get to know it better, it may give you new insights and show you more effective ways to work. Agreed. When I met TB!'s editor, my reaction was 'hmmm, interesting' instead of, 'See here but what crap is this editor up to. Why does it have to do it this way?'. It's one thing for an app to implement a different approach as opposed to an app having a bug or a frank shortcoming or inability to do a certain task. TB!'s approach with some things are different. It is indeed a breath of fresh air to get to try something different and that something different is available on the market. I can therefore understand when some get upset when others leave all those apps out there that's working the standard way and start pushing for making TB! function as the rest of the apps out there. Where's the variety then? -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Originality is the art of concealing your sources. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: TB! v 1.39 Installation
Hello fellow TBUDL members, I see I mistakenly sent what was meant to be an off list post to TBUDL. I'll have to watch that. Douglas As for any additional misinterpretations of my original remarks: What I said still goes for all concerned and see me off list if that's a problem. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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Fwd: Re[3]: TB! v 1.39 Installation
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Re[3]: TB! v 1.39 Installation
TP I have four words I could say to that, but I won't. DH he failed to take my comment to heart and reacted stupidly. DH The four words he refers to are obviously offensive ones. "obviously" to some perhaps. To me, inappropriate to the list but not necessarily offensive. Reacting stupidly? When someone tells you to shut your trap because you're totally off base, how do you respond? Beyond that, anyone wishing to get aggressive with me in relation to any of my comments is invited to do it off list, where it will be dealt with swiftly and appropriately. DH He won't bother and with that said, the matter will be let lie, and DH the swift and appropriate reaction would probably be the delete key. Good thing you're crossing threads here. If you go look up who actually wrote those words, you'll find it's not me. In fact, I could tell you exactly who wrote it, but I won't, simply because he has some good things to say also, and although he and I lock horns often enough over various things, I respect the guy 'cause he never goes out of his way to try to cast a bad light on other people, like quoting sections of other people's posts and attributing them to different people. IOW, he knows how to make an arguement, and he doesn't get offended when people express their own offense at something that he wrote. DH The guy may know something about computers but he makes far too many DH assumptions and his opinions whether on or off target, are worth a lot DH less than he seems to think. Can anyone here tell me how opinions can be deemed, by a third party, to be off-target? -tom! -- Knowin' this said nothing useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] apologizes. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: TB! v 1.39 Installation
It also seems to me that software should assimilate and be responsive to the needs of its users - not vice versa. J True, but it's hard for software itself to do so. Sure, you can make it J super-customizable, but that will always mean work for the user to customize J it. How long did it take you all to get a working installation of TB!? It took me a long time. That was a lot of work. Plus, I'm sharp and actually know a thing or two about computers (thanks to Doug Hinds to point that out), but TB! is already in the super-customizable state. -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB! v 1.39 Installation
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:10:19 -0600, Douglas Hinds wrote: The file - that was downloaded on Jan 19 from http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe is evidently not a compressed file and wants to go into a setup routine when I click on it. Do I need to go through that? It is a self-extracting RAR archive. You can open it with e.g. WinRAR (www.rarsoft.com) without executing it. There was a discussion on this list or TBBETA some weeks ago on compressing utilities, mentioning other freeware and shareware tools capable of reading RAR format, perhaps you find it in the archive... Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP-ID 0x02850F53 (DH/DSS) PGP Fingerprint 68AB D08E D995 41B4 C6FD 639D 9B94 D249 0285 0F53 "Schtill! Was ziberlet dert näbem Tobelöhli z grachtige n uuf u aab?" - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB! v 1.39 Installation
Morning Tom Plunket, How long did it take you all to get a working installation of TB!? It took me a long time. That was a lot of work. Let's see... me tries to remember when he first set up TB about 2 years ago IIRC, it took me about an hour or two the very first time, which I think is okay considering all I had used before was the ugly CompuServe WinCIM... Of course, now it takes me 5 minutes to install it and get some mail Plus, I'm sharp and actually know a thing or two about computers (thanks to Doug Hinds to point that out), but TB! is already in the super-customizable state. TB is quite customizable, but not superly so. From what I hear TBv2 will be super-customizable and possibly capable of a total conversion... -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.39 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: TB! v 1.39 Installation
Hello Peter all fellow TBUDL members, Friday, January 21, 2000, 6:17:42 PM, Peter wrote in response to my saying: The file - that was downloaded on Jan 19 from http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe is evidently not a compressed file and wants to go into a setup routine when I click on it. Do I need to go through that? PS It is a self-extracting RAR archive. You can open it with e.g. PS WinRAR (www.rarsoft.com) without executing it. I have winrar installed and expected it to take over, if the file was compressed, which it didn't. Thanks to your tip, I opened winrar and dragged the file to it, which then should it's contents. I had later downloaded the .exe file only from the beta site, and replaced the 1.38e .exe file with that this morning. Can't say I notice a difference yet. PS There was a discussion on this list or TBBETA some weeks ago on PS compressing utilities, mentioning other freeware and shareware tools PS capable of reading RAR format, perhaps you find it in the archive... Another good TB buddy gave me the url for it some time back. TBUDL has turned out to be not only a reliable source of TB support, but an outstanding example of civility and citizenry. Lasting friendships that go far beyond the list itself are already coming from it. Sure TB has bugs and the will continue to be found and corrected, as the mailer is improved. New bugs will arise but those too will be taken care of. Thanks again for the tip. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Tom If you were to come to get carpal tunnel syndrome (which has been Tom extending its talons into me recently), you'll come to appreciate the Tom difference between pressing ^] for next message vs. 'n' or space. t whats wrong with arrow up and down? Nothing, if unread messages thread anywhere near one another. ^] is the only single-key way I know to expand threads and jump read messages though. If there's another way, I'd love someone to mention it. -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
TB! v 1.39 Installation
Hello fellow TBUDL members, Wednesday, Jan 19, 2000 07:13:30 I wrote to ask: Does upgrading from v. 1.38e to v. 1.39 involve more than switching the .exe file? (as in the last 2 previous upgrades - the last of which also had a new help file if I remember correctly). The file - that was downloaded on Jan 19 from http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe is evidently not a compressed file and wants to go into a setup routine when I click on it. Do I need to go through that? The above was included in a post with a number of other issues and wasn't responded to. Lastly, in that post I made a number other comments that I considered constructive but were not taken or answered as such by all parties. One of the aspects that I most appreciate about TB is the mentality of those who use it. This has contributed greatly to the high quality interchange found on TBUDL, as compared to other trashier lists, and I sincerely hope that the same high standard of civility continues to predominate rather than be downgraded by those that happen to think differently and are not prepared to tolerate opinions contrary to their own. TB as it is surpasses the overall convenience offered by all other email clients I've tried, particularly in the areas most important to me. No doubt it will continued to be improved. Beyond that, anyone wishing to get aggressive with me in relation to any of my comments is invited to do it off list, where it will be dealt with swiftly and appropriately. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB! v 1.39 Installation
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:10:19 -0600, Douglas Hinds wrote: Does upgrading from v. 1.38e to v. 1.39 involve more than switching the .exe file? (as in the last 2 previous upgrades - the last of which also had a new help file if I remember correctly). The file - that was downloaded on Jan 19 from http://www.ritlabs.com/ftp/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe is evidently not a compressed file and wants to go into a setup routine when I click on it. Do I need to go through that? Yes you can, with no harm to your installation. It will simply upgrade the relevant files. I have been using the same TB install through all the upgrades since April, 1999. The above was included in a post with a number of other issues and wasn't responded to. Lastly, in that post I made a number other comments that I considered constructive but were not taken or answered as such by all parties. Issues that were discussed at length among the longstanding, more vocal members in previous threads. :) Silence meant agreement or indifference. System wide filters, virtual folders, the ability to edit received messages, an online/offline toggle to prevent automatic checking of mail when disconnected and color priority flagging have all been discussed and more or less conceded to as useful, worthwhile wishes. :) Beyond that, anyone wishing to get aggressive with me in relation to any of my comments is invited to do it off list, where it will be dealt with swiftly and appropriately. :))) -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Oxymoron: Team of Independents. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: TB! v 1.39 Installation
in response to my saying: DH but while many of your comments may be helpful, I strongly suggest DH you suspend your assumptions to a greater degree and try to DH assimilate the approach TB takes to windows email. I'd probably have taken this response the same way he did. It also seems to me that software should assimilate and be responsive to the needs of its users - not vice versa. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:38:15 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, January 19, 2000, 11:38:15 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Thomas Hallo Douglas, Thomas On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:57:20 -0600 GMT (19.01.2000, 23:57 +0800 GMT), Thomas Douglas Hinds wrote: TF While reading mail: I switch accounts with the mouse. DH You have to look for it. Thomas And you don't have to look at a pop-up window? TF I hope you don't mean something *always* visable. DH I do. Thomas My sincere objection. ;-) It can be optional... Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Tom If you were to come to get carpal tunnel syndrome (which has been Tom extending its talons into me recently), you'll come to appreciate the Tom difference between pressing ^] for next message vs. 'n' or space. whats wrong with arrow up and down? Tom I am so happy someone pointed out that you can use the space bar when Tom the focus is in the message list pane. If only there was a way to go back Tom in the message... Also noticed that the mousewheel works in the Tom message view pane even if the focus is not there. Very trick. (why Tom isn't this in any of the documentation that I read?) A(g) DH but while many of your comments may be helpful, I strongly suggest DH you suspend your assumptions to a greater degree and try to DH assimilate the approach TB takes to windows email. Tom In other words "shut the hell up 'til you've been accepted as a long Tom time user of this program. Well, I think more of lets have a look at V2 as if its all reprogrammable keys what does it matter as there likely will be a whole book of suggested updates Tom I have four words I could say to that, but I won't. What I will say Tom is that I will speak what I know and what I feel, and these are things Tom that WOULD increase The Bat!'s (narrow) market appeal, and I will not Tom make such outrageous suggestions as adding a file manager or news Tom reader to the software. All I want is something that is good at Tom handling mail, both incoming and outgoing, both reading and writing. I agree but its no use trying to try to cause huge changes to bat V1 while we donot know whats in V2... Tom -tom! Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Thursday, January 20, 2000, tracer wrote to Tom Plunket about Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list: Tom If you were to come to get carpal tunnel syndrome (which has been Tom extending its talons into me recently), you'll come to appreciate the Tom difference between pressing ^] for next message vs. 'n' or space. t whats wrong with arrow up and down? It doesn't move to next unread. But space and 'n' are already assigned. -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Hello Tom all other fellow TBUDL members, Tuesday, January 18, 2000, 2:20:10 PM, Tom wrote in response to Mark's saying: MDP (it's only one additional keystroke after all. TP I'm getting used to The Bat!'s virtual space, I still don't like it. First of All: *Does upgrading from v. 1.38e to v. 1.39 involve more than switching the .exe file? (as in the last 2 previous upgrades - the last of which also had a new help file if I remember correctly). OK, I'll check the readme as soon as I unzip it. Now - On to the "virtual space" issue: As a Calypso purple heart refugee I miss a few of it's slick tricks BUT, aside from the 1000%+ better support available from both Ritlabs and TBUDL (mcsdallas will just look at, if not insult you - their support people are as ignorant as they come), notice that I left a black line between the "On to the "virtual space* issue:" and this one. That's because I understand, accept and appreciate the paradigm shift. Why? read on: TP I keep using, and I like, the reformat option, Alt-L. Have you tried Alt-J? I use TB for correspondence in both English and Spanish. Spanish text is generally justified. You can justify any paragraph "de volada" (on the fly) simply by doing that. This explains the virtual space issue. You need the blank line to separate paragraphs. More that one space between words within a paragraph will be added or removed automatically, depending on the block configuration you choose (If you've tried Alt+L or J on a multi-line signature you know what I mean). Calypso's spell mono-lingual spell checker is as big a joke as their tech support - when in doubt, I had to copy paste to a WP or Netscape Messenger. TB!'s spell checker I would kill for - botjh the English and the Spanish dictionaries are quite good, easily updatable (i.e. you can add words easily) and it let's you know what's happening at a glance, as you go - it's not obtrusive and it let's you keep working, but you KNOW the word's not in the dic. On the other hand, when composing I do want the multiple signatures available from a pop up window, the active account also available from a pop up window and an optional "account column" available in the message list pane so messages from all accounts can be *virtually" viewed on arrival, regardless of their home folder. TB needs an online off line button, to activate / deactivate the get mail every x minutes option. Ability to edit incoming mail is sorely needed, as is a scaleable priority flag /or color applicable to incoming mail Filters that are selectable on an individual, folder or global basis are also needed. And the standard windows paragraph jumping Ctrl- up and down key commands should be supported. But: From how many accounts can Calypso send or download from at once? It's sequential. Not TB! And TB's stable. And if for some reason you are unable to open your password encoded Calypso mailbox (i.e if Calypso won't stay open after installing a minor upgrade - a true life story), you will find that you will be unable to access your email (50 mb of it, in my case). Don't expect any help from mcsdallas beyond telling you to install every damn windows update that ever came out. May they burn forever in Windows hell and thank god for some of the good willed people on this list. I just went up and modified the subject header. Tab brought me right back to this line. That's TB. TP Well, you two aren't typical Windows users. As it goes, virtual TP space has some people who like it and others who don't. You may have noticed that most TB users and supporters (i.e. AEV) on TBUDL *aren't your* "typical Windows users", don't share the typical assumptions held by US "Windows users" and are not even in the U.S. Welcome to TB!, a refreshing approach to email. TP Plus I've never managed to get Emacs to run on this PC. Does Emacs do what TB! does? (It *would* be nice if TB! would come out with a Linux version soon though). TP What else? Well, it has everything that TB has, but more of it. Including email? TP As I mentioned above, the text reformatting is way more powerful, but at TP the same time it can be trickier to use and it takes longer to set up TP (not to mention, it's three keystrokes, esc-q-w, rather than just TP alt-l)... It's a tradeoff that I would take. I happen to agree about the key strokes. Ctrl-V in Calypso is Shift-Ctrl-K in TB! (which takes no more energy for me then the first), plus you've got Shift-Ctrl-H. I can live with this. TB! is worth learning. And as stated, key configurations will be optional in v. 2. I have no problem with anyone using whatever external apps they choose in addition to TB. And I agree with some of your observations as well as recognize the depth of the familiarity you show with the things you know; but while many of your comments may be helpful, I strongly suggest you suspend your assumptions to a greater degree and try to assimilate the approach TB takes to windows email. Douglas --
Re: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Hallo Douglas, On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 07:13:30 -0600 GMT (19.01.2000, 21:13 +0800 GMT), Douglas Hinds wrote: DH On the other hand, when composing I do want the multiple signatures DH available from a pop up window, You can do that with quick templates. DH the active account also available from a pop up window If you mean at time of creation, try Option/Active Account in the editor window. While reading mail: I switch accounts with the mouse. ;-) DH and an optional "account column" available in the message list DH pane so messages from all accounts can be *virtually" viewed on DH arrival, regardless of their home folder. I don't know what *virtually* viewing messages means. I always *really* view my messages. g DH TB needs an online off line button, to activate / deactivate the get DH mail every x minutes option. I support this wish. ;-) DH I just went up and modified the subject header. Tab brought me right DH back to this line. That's TB. :-)) -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Hello Thomas all fellow TBUDL members, Wednesday, January 19, 2000, 7:40:46 AM, Thomas wrote in response to my saying: DH .. when composing I do want the multiple signatures available DH from a pop up window, TF You can do that with quick templates. Right. One for each account. Then you need macros for each and every signature / active account combination. Are you kidding? DH the active account also available from a pop up window TF If you mean at time of creation, try Option/Active Account in the TF editor window. While reading mail: I switch accounts with the mouse. TF ;-) This doesn't compare with the speed and ease of what I'm suggesting, which is also something VISABLE. DH and an optional "account column" available in the message list DH pane so messages from all accounts can be *virtually" viewed on DH arrival, regardless of their home folder. TF I don't know what *virtually* viewing messages means. I always TF *really* view my messages. g Try doing a search on all accounts for something found in several. The search results show what "*virtually* viewing messages means". This could be available for all incoming messages if an "account" column was added as an option (all columns are now selectable as is) DH TB needs an online off line button, to activate / deactivate the get DH mail every x minutes option. TF I support this wish. ;-) OK, I'm glad we agree. I am not trashing TB, but TB can be improved w/o losing it's basic strengths and qualities. (i.e I am happy with *current* html support, although I would like to edit and highlight passages in incoming mail sometimes). DH I just went up and modified the subject header. Tab brought me right DH back to this line. That's TB. TB rules. Saludos. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Hallo Douglas, On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:36:11 -0600 GMT (19.01.2000, 22:36 +0800 GMT), Douglas Hinds wrote: TF You can do that with quick templates. DH Right. One for each account. Then you need macros for each and every DH signature / active account combination. Are you kidding? Actually, if you click on "share with other accounts", you can use QT's across all accounts. You will need one per sig, of course. TF If you mean at time of creation, try Option/Active Account in the TF editor window. While reading mail: I switch accounts with the mouse. TF ;-) DH This doesn't compare with the speed and ease of what I'm suggesting, DH which is also something VISABLE. To change the active account now requires three mouseclicks. Given the fact that I use it rather seldomly, that's easy. If you want a pop-up window, that would mean one key-combo to bring up the window, and one mouseclick to choose. Big difference? Or are you asking for a shortcut to Options/Active Account? I hope you don't mean something *always* visable. TF I don't know what *virtually* viewing messages means. I always TF *really* view my messages. g DH Try doing a search on all accounts for something found in several. The DH search results show what "*virtually* viewing messages means". This DH could be available for all incoming messages if an "account" column DH was added as an option (all columns are now selectable as is) Ah, you mean the same as the "virtual folders" discussed earlier, with the option "show all new messages here". With virtuals folder (if we get them), you could filter all incoming messages into one. The you could have "read"-filters sorting the messages into the folders where you want to store them. Virtual folders should be in the wishlist, I think. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Hello Thomas all fellow TBUDL members, Wednesday, January 19, 2000, 8:54:17 AM, Thomas wrote in response to my saying: DH Right. One for each account. Then you need macros for each and DH every signature / active account combination. TF Actually, if you click on "share with other accounts", you can use TF QT's across all accounts. You will need one per sig, of course. Of course. I will have to do that. I'm working on accepting my having to doing it and am very close to that. TF If you mean at time of creation, try Option/Active Account in the TF editor window. Right. TF While reading mail: I switch accounts with the mouse. TF ;-) You have to look for it. DH This doesn't compare with the speed and ease of what I'm suggesting, DH which is also something VISABLE. TF To change the active account now requires three mouseclicks. ... TF Big difference? Or are you asking for a shortcut to Options/Active TF Account? Right. A visible window. Same goes for a global filter manager and a global ticker manager. All the focus on separate folders w/ no way to get to them except by navigating the accounts pane is very time consuming, particularly when the inboxes are rather full. TBUDL is filtered actively in to a folder that now has 4,110 messages, 3,346 of which are unread. The result is that lots of days I don't even open it (no time). TF I hope you don't mean something *always* visable. I do. It's a very small window and appropriately placed, is is the signature window which you can give names for. TF I don't know what *virtually* viewing messages means. I always TF *really* view my messages. g DH Try doing a search on all accounts for something found in several. The DH search results show what "*virtually* viewing messages means". This DH could be available for all incoming messages if an "account" column DH was added as an option (all columns are now selectable as is) TF Ah, you mean the same as the "virtual folders" discussed earlier, with TF the option "show all new messages here". I dunno, cause I haven't been able to keep up up with TBUDL - sounds like it though. TF With virtuals folder (if we get them), you could filter all incoming TF messages into one. The you could have "read"-filters sorting the TF messages into the folders where you want to store them. Virtual TF folders should be in the wishlist, I think. Correctisimo. The rest of it is installing the windows in the part of my brain that deals with TB and changing them to unseen windows activated by commands, unless RITlabs picks up the concept first. Best regards, Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Hallo Douglas, On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:57:20 -0600 GMT (19.01.2000, 23:57 +0800 GMT), Douglas Hinds wrote: TF While reading mail: I switch accounts with the mouse. DH You have to look for it. And you don't have to look at a pop-up window? TF I hope you don't mean something *always* visable. DH I do. My sincere objection. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
Morning Thomas Fernandez, Ah, you mean the same as the "virtual folders" discussed earlier, with the option "show all new messages here". Well, the mail ticker can do it, but I don't like it :-( With virtuals folder (if we get them), you could filter all incoming messages into one. The you could have "read"-filters sorting the messages into the folders where you want to store them. Actually, the sense of virtual folders would be that you *don't* have to filter your messages when they are read but instead you do it the other way around: Filter the messages when they come in, and then look at them in one place, while storing them in another. Virtual folders should be in the wishlist, I think. YES. I WANT VIRTUAL FOLDERS Oops, sorry :-) -- +--Jast |on Windows 98 4.10 Build A :with The Bat! 1.39 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 07:13:30 -0600, Douglas Hinds wrote: [..snip..] You may have noticed that most TB users and supporters (i.e. AEV) on TBUDL *aren't your* "typical Windows users", don't share the typical assumptions held by US "Windows users" and are not even in the U.S. Welcome to TB!, a refreshing approach to email. I give that two thumbs up. vbg -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Alcohol is the anesthesia by which we endure the operation of life. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
In Reference to "Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list" From Thomas Fernandez: TF With virtuals folder (if we get them), you could filter all incoming TF messages into one. The you could have "read"-filters sorting the TF messages into the folders where you want to store them. Virtual TF folders should be in the wishlist, I think. What you describe here is possible now. -- - Nick Nick Danger's Complimentary Curse (©¿©): May 1,000 erudite cleaners forget to wipe in your pituitary gland. Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:40:46 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I don't know what *virtually* viewing messages means. I always *really* view my messages. g When you use the search facility to run search across all accounts, it displays all the matches in it's viewer. You are able to read the messages right there, reply to them, forward them, move them etc., and yet, they are still all very much in their original locations and have not been moved to one spot. A virtual folder is similar. It allows you to view and manage messages, which are in different locations, from a central point without actually moving them there. -- -=Allie=- | Using The Bat! v1.39 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- [ Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. ] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Internal Editor + TB! v 1.39 Installation wish list
DH Have you tried Alt-J? Personally can't stand all of the weird spacing, but that has nothing to do with virtual space: DH I use TB for correspondence in both English and Spanish. Spanish DH text is generally justified. You can justify any paragraph "de DH volada" (on the fly) simply by doing that. This explains the DH virtual space issue. You need the blank line to separate DH paragraphs. I can't understand how these two issues would be related in even the most obtuse way. However, I would like to be able to configure two spaces after a period, and I would like the editor to not auto-wrap my current line until I actually type a non-whitespace character. To each their own, but if a period falls in column 69, I hit two spaces and end up one space into the next line. Then I hit backspace and sometimes end up going to the previous line Some weird things, even when auto-format is turned off. DH Calypso's spell mono-lingual spell checker is as big a joke as DH their tech support - when in doubt... Thanks for the Calypso comments, btw. I don't care about spell checkers (never use them), but if you can't get support when you have problems, well, that's bad. DH But: From how many accounts can Calypso send or download from at once? DH It's sequential. Not TB! And TB's stable. ick. TP Well, you two aren't typical Windows users. As it goes, virtual TP space has some people who like it and others who don't. DH You may have noticed that most TB users and supporters (i.e. AEV) on DH TBUDL *aren't your* "typical Windows users", don't share the typical DH assumptions held by US "Windows users" and are not even in the U.S. DH Welcome to TB!, a refreshing approach to email. Am I correct in assuming that people think I said that most The Bat! users are typical Windows users, or that it should most appeal to these people? Please, someone, if I did cite me now and then shoot me, and then drop the freakin' thing because I was only pointing out that different people had different needs, ESPECIALLY in the target audience of this software. TP Plus I've never managed to get Emacs to run on this PC. DH Does Emacs do what TB! does? TP What else? Well, it has everything that TB has, but more of it. DH Including email? We were talking about editors, please keep context in mind. Emacs does do email, fwiw. Haven't looked at it since 1991, but it was the most feature-rich mailer at the time that was installed on the computers that I used. Can't comment on its current state. DH I happen to agree about the key strokes. Ctrl-V in Calypso is DH Shift-Ctrl-K in TB! (which takes no more energy for me then the DH first), plus you've got Shift-Ctrl-H. I can live with this. TB! is DH worth learning. And as stated, key configurations will be optional in DH v. 2. If you were to come to get carpal tunnel syndrome (which has been extending its talons into me recently), you'll come to appreciate the difference between pressing ^] for next message vs. 'n' or space. I am so happy someone pointed out that you can use the space bar when the focus is in the message list pane. If only there was a way to go back in the message... Also noticed that the mousewheel works in the message view pane even if the focus is not there. Very trick. (why isn't this in any of the documentation that I read?) DH but while many of your comments may be helpful, I strongly suggest DH you suspend your assumptions to a greater degree and try to DH assimilate the approach TB takes to windows email. In other words "shut the hell up 'til you've been accepted as a long time user of this program. I have four words I could say to that, but I won't. What I will say is that I will speak what I know and what I feel, and these are things that WOULD increase The Bat!'s (narrow) market appeal, and I will not make such outrageous suggestions as adding a file manager or news reader to the software. All I want is something that is good at handling mail, both incoming and outgoing, both reading and writing. -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
