Re: TB! v1.60i
Hello Mandara, Wednesday, May 8, 2002, 6:39:57 PM, you wrote: MAU>> Where did you download 1.60x from? M> http://www.alsscan.com/main.html I don't think this version needs the kind of support provided from this list. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.60c on Windows 98 Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
Thursday, 5/9/02, 4:14 PM Hi Jonathan, On Thu, 9 May 2002, at 09:02:18 [GMT -0500] (which was 7:02 AM where I live) you wrote about: 'TB! v1.60i' >> http://www.alsscan.com/main.html J> lol.. and there was me thinking that site would be humorous ;) Good J> job my monitor faces away from my office door :P Now THAT is a set of skins I could support for The Bat! Your communication is greatly appreciated, Paul -- No this isn't a taglineso why are you reading it?! Powered by v1.60j under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
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Re: TB! v1.60i
You are correct. Now do we get speed typing lessons when we purchased THE BAT! ?Muhahahaha Monday, May 6, 2002, 3:41:04 PM, Allie wrote: GG>> Not on my copy of j. It takes that second letter as the first GG>> character for another search. > When you type two or more characters TB! needs to differentiate > whether you need to add another letter to the initial one to narrow > your search or if you're starting another search. The time you take to > enter the next letter determines this. If you type quickly TB! will > use all the letters for a single search. -- Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 2000 [version 5.0.2195] Mail Client: THE BAT 1.60j Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gene Gough [GG] wrote: ... GG> Not on my copy of j. It takes that second letter as the first GG> character for another search. When you type two or more characters TB! needs to differentiate whether you need to add another letter to the initial one to narrow your search or if you're starting another search. The time you take to enter the next letter determines this. If you type quickly TB! will use all the letters for a single search. - -- -=Allie C Martin=- List Moderator | TB! v1.60j | Windows XP Pro PGP/GPG Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=2B0717E2 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE81txRV8nrYCsHF+IRAtmgAJ4wF3GgGoXgq9lUiQd0s/Hd/ORDBACfQFdE iZCLEosg1qEdQ7xp6PyqSmQ= =lDya -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re[2]: TB! v1.60i
I'm not Marck, but can you not use wild cards on this search? Will searching on 'foo*' not return all possible 'foo's'? Lynn Monday, May 6, 2002, 10:09:53 AM, you wrote: AXC> Hello Marck, AXC> As a Emacs user, I have no problem with the concept AXC> of progressive search. AXC> However is there a way to mark the end of the current AXC> progressive search so that anything typed afterwards AXC> is considered to be part of a new search. For AXC> instance if I have two folders named "Foo1" and AXC> "Foo2". On the first time one typed "foo", TB will AXC> jump to "Foo1". However I have not figured out a way AXC> so that I can make TB start search for "Foo2". AXC> On 6 May 2002 10:07:35 (my local time 02:07:35), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: >> Hi Mandara, >> @06 May 2002, 04:17:32 +0200 (03:17 UK time) Mandara wrote in >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> ... it moves to *all* folders with names starting with the letter >>> "T", >> *This* is the *old* way (and not so good way) it used to work. This >> has been replace by the new "progressive search method" I described. >> It is a *better* way of doing it. I can get to the fifth folder start >> with 't' in 2 or three keystrokes instead of 5. It's ***better***. >>> ... this is just another buggy version again, and again, and >>> again... >> Not buggy. Improved. Really!!! Start using it without prejudice. It >> won't take you long to figure out that the new way is much better. >> Really, it is!!! >> - -- >> Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator >> SB! v1.60d/iKey1000-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 >> · -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.sites.onlinemac.com/hawthorne/ Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
On Monday, May 06, 2002, Lynn Turriff wrote... > I'm not Marck, but can you not use wild cards on this > search? Will searching on 'foo*' not return all possible > 'foo's'? > Lynn I think somewhere the concept has been lost. If you had a number of Foo folders for example, you'd have to type the next character that distinguished one foo from the other... like 'foo1' 'foo2' 'foo3'... you could type 'foo' to get to the first one in your folder list... but you'd then have to type '1' to get to 'foo1' and '2' to get to 'foo2' etc. I don't think a wild card would work, because it's not going to match a specific character, unless you have a folder called 'foo*' -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
Hello Marck, As a Emacs user, I have no problem with the concept of progressive search. However is there a way to mark the end of the current progressive search so that anything typed afterwards is considered to be part of a new search. For instance if I have two folders named "Foo1" and "Foo2". On the first time one typed "foo", TB will jump to "Foo1". However I have not figured out a way so that I can make TB start search for "Foo2". On 6 May 2002 10:07:35 (my local time 02:07:35), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: > Hi Mandara, > @06 May 2002, 04:17:32 +0200 (03:17 UK time) Mandara wrote in > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> ... it moves to *all* folders with names starting with the letter >> "T", > *This* is the *old* way (and not so good way) it used to work. This > has been replace by the new "progressive search method" I described. > It is a *better* way of doing it. I can get to the fifth folder start > with 't' in 2 or three keystrokes instead of 5. It's ***better***. >> ... this is just another buggy version again, and again, and >> again... > Not buggy. Improved. Really!!! Start using it without prejudice. It > won't take you long to figure out that the new way is much better. > Really, it is!!! > - -- > Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator > SB! v1.60d/iKey1000-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 > · > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > iD8DBQE81kfZOeQkq5KdzaARAu1tAJ44TjpTK34tcNg8NyGbq9cb/WxlWgCg3bMt > MDdiOFyKipT6H/VhCrNpxPE= > =5ZIb > -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Regards, Anthony Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gene, @06 May 2002, 08:33:15 -0400 (13:33 UK time) Gene Gough wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Not on my copy of j. It takes that second letter as the first > character for another search. You may need to type more quickly ;-). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v1.60d/iKey1000-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE81nq0OeQkq5KdzaARAoWHAKD284QIEiCKYF/+RR/k9qt5o2iO2wCfbETS LFOYfYeN/QsecdS5xCv3Ea8= =94dx -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
Not on my copy of j. It takes that second letter as the first
character for another search.
Sunday, May 5, 2002, 10:41:20 PM, Jonathan wrote:
> Yes... and if I understand the function right... if you press another
> letter, it'll search your folder list for "T{otherletter}" for example
> "TH" would try to match any folder starting "TH".
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Re: TB! v1.60i
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mandara, @06 May 2002, 04:17:32 +0200 (03:17 UK time) Mandara wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ... it moves to *all* folders with names starting with the letter > "T", *This* is the *old* way (and not so good way) it used to work. This has been replace by the new "progressive search method" I described. It is a *better* way of doing it. I can get to the fifth folder start with 't' in 2 or three keystrokes instead of 5. It's ***better***. > ... this is just another buggy version again, and again, and > again... Not buggy. Improved. Really!!! Start using it without prejudice. It won't take you long to figure out that the new way is much better. Really, it is!!! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v1.60d/iKey1000-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE81kfZOeQkq5KdzaARAu1tAJ44TjpTK34tcNg8NyGbq9cb/WxlWgCg3bMt MDdiOFyKipT6H/VhCrNpxPE= =5ZIb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
Hello Mandara! On Monday, May 6, 2002 at 4:17:32 AM you wrote: > *But*, if, while you are holding your finger on this key, there is > *no* this permanent, continual, perpetual, eternal, never ceasing and > ever lasting moving around in the cycles, and if this stops at any > time, then this is just another buggy version again, and again, and > again... Have you in the meantime tried the method pointed out by Marck? I find this concept of a real time search much quicker and more useful than your preferred method. Therefore we are again back to *difference* and *concepts* - not bugs. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.60i on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C A great truth is a statement whose opposite is also a great truth. (Niels Bohr) Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
06 May 2002, 03:41, you wrote:
JA> Yes... and if I understand the function right... if you press another
JA> letter, it'll search your folder list for "T{otherletter}" for example
JA> "TH" would try to match any folder starting "TH"
In fact, it will take you to the first instance of 'th'. For example,
if you have folders called "The Bat" and "The Register" you will go to
the first of these in your folder list. If you want to go to "The Bat"
you'd have to move it up the folder list of that account.
This technique works in Windows Explorer too. Just remeber to type the
letters fast.
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Re[2]: TB! v1.60i
Hello Mandara, Sunday, May 5, 2002, 6:17:32 PM, you digitally penned the following; M> Dear Lynna, it seems very near, so just do the next, please: you have M> only to place your cursor in the folder pane and to press a "T" key on M> the keyboard. Then, *hold* your finger on this key *all the time* and M> just *watch*: _if_ it moves to *all* folders with names starting with M> the letter "T", and if this starts again from the beginning when it M> comes to the end, making loops around all the time, and if this M> doesn't stop until, and *only* until you lift your finger from "T" key M> - - then this version is a Bat version without this bug! And, M> consequently, you'll give me the link for download. :-) Please. :-) M> *But*, if, while you are holding your finger on this key, there is M> *no* this permanent, continual, perpetual, eternal, never ceasing and M> ever lasting moving around in the cycles, and if this stops at any M> time, then this is just another buggy version again, and again, and M> again... Sorry, it does not cycle through the T's with the finger held down as you say, it only moves to the next folder if you lift the finger and press on another key. : ( -- Regards, Lynnamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat!1.60j Windows XP PGP ( Public ) Key available at www.apostolic-friends.net/pgpkey.htm Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re[2]: TB! v1.60i
On Sun, 5 May 2002, Lynna Lunsford wrote:
> Hello Jonathan,
>
> I am using "j" version of TB but If I place my cursor in the folder
> pane and I press a key on the keyboard the highlighted folder changes
> to the one named with the corresponding letter, such as press "T" it
> moves to the folder named 'The Bat ' is this what he is referring to
> as searching by letter?
>
Yes... and if I understand the function right... if you press another
letter, it'll search your folder list for "T{otherletter}" for example
"TH" would try to match any folder starting "TH".
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Re: TB! v1.60i
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On Sun, 5 May 2002, at 17:19:12 -0800 Lynna wrote:
JA>> I think what it means is you type the first letter, and it
JA>> matches the first folder that it reaches... when you type the
JA>> second letter, it tries to find the next folder that begins with
JA>> letter 1... AND 2... for example... You have:
JA>> * Folder 1
JA>> * Fldr 2
JA>> * Inbox
JA>> If you Type "F" it selects Folder... if your next key is "L" it
JA>> moves to "Flder 2" as it matches the FL to "Fldr 2"... is that
JA>> clear? My explanations on some things are awful... at least that
JA>> is my understanding on how the 'progressing' search works anyway.
LL> I am using "j" version of TB but If I place my cursor in the
LL> folder pane and I press a key on the keyboard the highlighted
LL> folder changes to the one named with the corresponding letter,
LL> such as press "T" it moves to the folder named 'The Bat ' is this
LL> what he is referring to as searching by letter?
Dear Lynna, it seems very near, so just do the next, please: you have
only to place your cursor in the folder pane and to press a "T" key on
the keyboard. Then, *hold* your finger on this key *all the time* and
just *watch*: _if_ it moves to *all* folders with names starting with
the letter "T", and if this starts again from the beginning when it
comes to the end, making loops around all the time, and if this
doesn't stop until, and *only* until you lift your finger from "T" key
- - then this version is a Bat version without this bug! And,
consequently, you'll give me the link for download. :-) Please. :-)
*But*, if, while you are holding your finger on this key, there is
*no* this permanent, continual, perpetual, eternal, never ceasing and
ever lasting moving around in the cycles, and if this stops at any
time, then this is just another buggy version again, and again, and
again...
Mandara
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Re[2]: TB! v1.60i
Hello Jonathan, Sunday, May 5, 2002, 4:45:23 PM, you digitally penned the following; JA> I think what it means is you type the first letter, and it matches the JA> first folder that it reaches... when you type the second letter, it tries JA> to find the next folder that begins with letter 1... AND 2... for JA> example... You have: JA> * Folder 1 JA> * Fldr 2 JA> * Inbox JA> If you Type "F" it selects Folder... if your next key is "L" it moves to JA> "Flder 2" as it matches the FL to "Fldr 2"... is that clear? My JA> explanations on some things are awful... at least that is my understanding JA> on how the 'progressing' search works anyway. I am using "j" version of TB but If I place my cursor in the folder pane and I press a key on the keyboard the highlighted folder changes to the one named with the corresponding letter, such as press "T" it moves to the folder named 'The Bat ' is this what he is referring to as searching by letter? -- Regards, Lynnamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat!1.60j Windows XP PGP ( Public ) Key available at www.apostolic-friends.net/pgpkey.htm Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mandara, @06 May 2002, 01:21:34 +0200 (00:21 UK time) Mandara wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > If this "progressive search" is faster than putting a finger on a > key, than I would highly appreciate instructions how to do that. Put a finger on a key, then the next key and the next. > "One of "lost options" is browsing by the first letter of the > name[s] of the folders through accounts/folders (in account pane)." Yes. It works perfectly. For instance - I want to jump to the "Contact" folder? Type "co" and I'm there. It used to be 'ccc' - to get me past 'Cave' and 'Cresta' to 'Contact'. Now it's just 'co'. I find it much easier. I don't know why you think it doesn't work... - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v1.60d/iKey1000-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE81dFTOeQkq5KdzaARAjniAKCqkGaB2/4cN1Kq1TCLFMkYOFaHigCg28NA GXnlirhBXhQJdsYAO6hbmto= =kM3b -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
On Mon, 6 May 2002, Mandara wrote: > On Sun, 5 May 2002, at 22:51:11 +0100 Marck wrote: > > >> I would bravely endure all other bugs, just if they would give me > >> back my "browsing by the first letter of..." etc. >:-E > > MDP> I prefer the improvement myself.. browse by progressive search. Much > MDP> quicker for navigation IMHO! > > If this "progressive search" is faster than putting a finger on a key, > than I would highly appreciate instructions how to do that. > > Just in the case that a misunderstanding is possible here, my full > sentence was: > > "One of "lost options" is browsing by the first letter of the name[s] > of the folders through accounts/folders (in account pane)." > > Mandara I think what it means is you type the first letter, and it matches the first folder that it reaches... when you type the second letter, it tries to find the next folder that begins with letter 1... AND 2... for example... You have: * Folder 1 * Fldr 2 * Inbox If you Type "F" it selects Folder... if your next key is "L" it moves to "Flder 2" as it matches the FL to "Fldr 2"... is that clear? My explanations on some things are awful... at least that is my understanding on how the 'progressing' search works anyway. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
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On Sun, 5 May 2002, at 22:51:11 +0100 Marck wrote:
>> I would bravely endure all other bugs, just if they would give me
>> back my "browsing by the first letter of..." etc. >:-E
MDP> I prefer the improvement myself.. browse by progressive search. Much
MDP> quicker for navigation IMHO!
If this "progressive search" is faster than putting a finger on a key,
than I would highly appreciate instructions how to do that.
Just in the case that a misunderstanding is possible here, my full
sentence was:
"One of "lost options" is browsing by the first letter of the name[s]
of the folders through accounts/folders (in account pane)."
Mandara
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Re: TB! v1.60i
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mandara, @05 May 2002, 23:15:40 +0200 (22:15 UK time) Mandara wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I would bravely endure all other bugs, just if they would give me > back my "browsing by the first letter of..." etc. >:-E I prefer the improvement myself.. browse by progressive search. Much quicker for navigation IMHO! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator SB! v1.60d/iKey1000-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE81alSOeQkq5KdzaARAqZ3AJoCEWte6iCTqQjLpHFmoa51q+AHWACdF8Qm iTa1wk9ed8yE9qHoeDwCtWA= =4zJ+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
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On Sun, 5 May 2002, at 09:52:07 -0800 Lynna wrote:
M>> Again, don't turn PGP off, since there is no reason for it; this
M>> system is readable for all. But if you are using MS CryptoAPI then you
M>> should count on that that some of us cannot read those messages.
LL> It is too bad that the MS cryptoAPI is not supported equally through
LL> all versions of TB and other mail clients because it leaves the
LL> smallest "footprint" visually on the email when sent.
OK, I agree, as to the "visual" impression, though S/MIME in general
(not only MS's one) is sending more bites than PGP/GPG.
LL> What I mean to say is that visually it is the most appealing, less
LL> intrusive than several lines of garbled code,letters, numbers. If
LL> it were equally supported, accepted I would opt of using SMIME of
LL> PGP in every day email for that reason alone. I use PGP because I
LL> operate a web site community and I use a form which encrypts to
LL> PGP to safeguard members personal information as they send it to
LL> me. : )
Hmm, I wouldn't say it is a good idea to use anything of MS for
safeguarding whatever. I'll say it again, in the case I wasn't clear:
no any problem with normal S/MIME, but there are problems with MS
CryptoAPI's S/MIME, since the last one simply is *not* same S/MIME but
'something' "made by" M$ and is simply *not* compatible with normal
S/MIME and doesn't support a general S/MIME standard. So, if you
prefer S/MIME, I would recommend non-M$ CryptoAPI S/MIME. Though, in
general, I higly recommend PGP, especially GnuPG (Gnu Privacy Guard)
and GPGShell (GnuPG Shell) for it, if you like to work by mouse and
don't like too much command line stuff. GnuPG is tiny and powerfull
program and via GPGShell is very easy for handling. (M$ stuff just
*seems* easy and simple, but is *very* complicated, especially in the
back[s]ground, and especially regarding "security". (-;) So, if you
really care about your members would be good to avoid M$ stuff. :-)
LL>
M>> As to upgrading: I, personally, cannot "upgrade" TB if it lack in some
M>> options which were present in previous versions, and are highly vital
M>> for me, just for the sake of some options which are highly buggy and
M>> completely needless to me. It would be in fact a downgrade or
M>> mussgrade. I, still, hope those 1.60x versions will as soon as
M>> possible be just a messy past.
<...>
LL> Out of curiosity could you share some of those options | functions
LL> that were a part of previous versions that are no longer included?
One of "lost options" is browsing by the first letter of the name[s]
of the folders through accounts/folders (in account pane).
LL> I thank you for your e-mail, it was informative, and I will turn the
LL> PGP back on, though I wish it made less of a "footprint" in the actual
LL> e-mail's sent.
You can turn the S/MIME on too (but not Crypto API's one, that is if
you'd like we who don't support API can read your digitally penned
scriptures). :-)
LL> Version "J" is working fine for me, but then, as you
LL> mentioned I have not used any version before 1.60c and therefore have
LL> no experience with TB prior to version "c" to compare it to.
I would bravely endure all other bugs, just if they would give me back
my "browsing by the first letter of..." etc. >:-E
:-)
Mandara
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Re[2]: TB! v1.60i
On Sun, 5 May 2002, Lynna Lunsford wrote: > Hello Mandara, > > Sunday, May 5, 2002, 3:25:37 AM, you digitally penned the following: > > M> Again, don't turn PGP off, since there is no reason for it; this > M> system is readable for all. But if you are using MS CryptoAPI then you > M> should count on that that some of us cannot read those messages. > > It is too bad that the MS cryptoAPI is not supported equally through > all versions of TB and other mail clients because it leaves the > smallest "footprint" visually on the email when sent. What I mean to > say is that visually it is the most appealing, less intrusive than > several lines of garbled code,letters, numbers. If it were equally > supported, accepted I would opt of using SMIME of PGP in every day > email for that reason alone. I use PGP because I operate a web site > community and I use a form which encrypts to PGP to safeguard members > personal information as they send it to me. : ) If you are worried about PGP dumping all the jumbled letters on, why not allow users to send a specific request to your email to get the PGP signature? I've noticed one or two people on this list have done that. Unless of course you have to sign it. If this is the case, then you have the option of creating the email as plain text, and signing it with PGP... then attach the .sig file... a little cleaner ;)... I'll check on how that works out on Monday, see if everything works okay like that. > > M> As to upgrading: I, personally, cannot "upgrade" TB if it lack in some > M> options which were present in previous versions, and are highly vital > M> for me, just for the sake of some options which are highly buggy and > M> completely needless to me. It would be in fact a downgrade or > M> mussgrade. I, still, hope those 1.60x versions will as soon as > M> possible be just a messy past. > > I thank you for your e-mail, it was informative, and I will turn the > PGP back on, though I wish it made less of a "footprint" in the actual > e-mail's sent. Version "J" is working fine for me, but then, as you > mentioned I have not used any version before 1.60c and therefore have > no experience with TB prior to version "c" to compare it to. Are you using the PGP with TB! or are you using an external PGP program? If you're using the external program, see my idea above, give it a go... if you're using the one inside TB!... then I'm not sure what to do about the footprint at the bottom. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, May 05, 2002, at 10:52:07 AM PST, Lynna Lunsford wrote: > It is too bad that the MS cryptoAPI is not supported equally through > all versions of TB and other mail clients because it leaves the > smallest "footprint" visually on the email when sent. What I mean to > say is that visually it is the most appealing, less intrusive than > several lines of garbled code,letters, numbers. Hello Lynna, Unfortunately, even though S/MIME signatures leave less of a *visible* footprint on each signed message, it does include a larger *actual* footprint with each message (it sends the public key with each message). Using S/MIME is like using HTML in terms of increasing the number of bytes sent with each message. Many people will find this more annoying than the very small *actual* additional few bytes added by a PGP clear signature. Also - perhaps it's just because I'm familiar with PGP/GnuPG and not with S/MIME, but I find it easier to diagnose possible reasons/solutions to "bad" PGP signatures than I do to "invalid" S/MIME signatures. PGP just doesn't hide as much. For those, and other reasons, I still feel better about PGP/GnuPG than I do about S/MIME. Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=0xFB04F2E9&Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iEYEARECAAYFAjzVeqwACgkQjVbXUvsE8ukmPwCgivRvlQEdP9CQFyHqli/2a63K A2oAnRmF/GtTAZKpvcHTMeZRmpow6me2 =DD// -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re[2]: TB! v1.60i
Hello Mandara, Sunday, May 5, 2002, 3:25:37 AM, you digitally penned the following: M> Again, don't turn PGP off, since there is no reason for it; this M> system is readable for all. But if you are using MS CryptoAPI then you M> should count on that that some of us cannot read those messages. It is too bad that the MS cryptoAPI is not supported equally through all versions of TB and other mail clients because it leaves the smallest "footprint" visually on the email when sent. What I mean to say is that visually it is the most appealing, less intrusive than several lines of garbled code,letters, numbers. If it were equally supported, accepted I would opt of using SMIME of PGP in every day email for that reason alone. I use PGP because I operate a web site community and I use a form which encrypts to PGP to safeguard members personal information as they send it to me. : ) M> As to upgrading: I, personally, cannot "upgrade" TB if it lack in some M> options which were present in previous versions, and are highly vital M> for me, just for the sake of some options which are highly buggy and M> completely needless to me. It would be in fact a downgrade or M> mussgrade. I, still, hope those 1.60x versions will as soon as M> possible be just a messy past. Unfortunately I am a newcomer to TB and was not aware that there was a loss of options / functionality from the previously released versions to those being presently released. Out of curiosity could you share some of those options | functions that were a part of previous versions that are no longer included? I thank you for your e-mail, it was informative, and I will turn the PGP back on, though I wish it made less of a "footprint" in the actual e-mail's sent. Version "J" is working fine for me, but then, as you mentioned I have not used any version before 1.60c and therefore have no experience with TB prior to version "c" to compare it to. -- Regards, Lynnamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat!1.60j Windows XP PGP ( Public ) Key available at www.apostolic-friends.net/pgpkey.htm Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
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On Sun, 5 May 2002, at 03:29:13 -0800 Lynna wrote:
LL> Is that a email addiction?
Definitely. You should enter the club of E-mailaholics International.
Mandara
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Re: TB! v1.60i
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On Sun, 5 May 2002, at 03:09:15 -0800 Lynna wrote:
LL> If your talking about my SMIME signature I turned off SMIME AND
LL> PGP SIGNING because I got a personal e-mail from someone on this
LL> list complaining that he could not read my e-mail.
Dear Lynna, I cannot even see your messages with MS CryptoAPI. They
are simply blocked. If and when you use usual (non "MS") S/MIME then
all is OK. As to PGP, there is no any reason for it to be turned off,
on your side, since this crypto system is highly compatible and
standardized so you can and should use it for privacy without worry.
LL> I figured since he went to the trouble of e-mailing me personally
LL> with his complaint that I would humor him and everyone else who is
LL> annoyed by the broke smime signatureby turning it off.
LL> I assure you my certificate is valid and was downloaded just this
LL> week from Thawte.
There is no slightest doubt about it, it's valid, at least for itself.
LL> BUT I turned OFF PGP AND SMIME for the benefit of those who refuse
LL> to upgrade their email : ) LOL okay? There's no mystery.
Again, don't turn PGP off, since there is no reason for it; this
system is readable for all. But if you are using MS CryptoAPI then you
should count on that that some of us cannot read those messages.
As to upgrading: I, personally, cannot "upgrade" TB if it lack in some
options which were present in previous versions, and are highly vital
for me, just for the sake of some options which are highly buggy and
completely needless to me. It would be in fact a downgrade or
mussgrade. I, still, hope those 1.60x versions will as soon as
possible be just a messy past.
Mandara
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Re: TB! v1.60i
U, my dsl is always connected but if you mean e-mail check then mine is every 2 minutes. With the activity in the two forums it is just about needed. :-) Sunday, May 5, 2002, 7:29:13 AM, Lynna wrote: > Is that a email addiction? -- Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 2000 [version 5.0.2195] Mail Client: THE BAT 1.60j Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re[2]: TB! v1.60i
Hello Gene, Saturday, May 4, 2002, 3:19:05 PM, you digitally penned the following; GG> Hi Lynna, GG> I was not concerned about the signature but was wondering how the GG> messages that had the exact same time stamp on them could be different GG> in the valid test.. I now suspect it was just that they both got sent GG> at the same time. Thanks. : ) you are probably right. I sent one and immediately turned Smime off before sending the other, they were both held in the out folder until I connected (currently every 4 minutes). Is that a email addiction? -- Regards, Lynnamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat!1.60j Windows XP PGP ( Public ) Key available at www.apostolic-friends.net/pgpkey.htm Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
This message, (below) sent at almost the same time a previous is NOT marked INVALID SIGNATURE> Sunday, May 5, 2002, 4:20:46 AM, Lynna wrote: > Hello Luc, > Saturday, May 4, 2002, 12:06:07 PM, you digitally penned the following; L>> But that is still beta, isn't it? > Well, I admit the download link was on the beta site but at one point I > thought that moderators said that these letter series "a, b, c, d, e, f, g, > h, i, j " were "bug - fixes" and not new versions of the program. Well at any > rate I downloaded, installed, and have been using it all morning. Nothing has > locked up yet : ) and all my e-mail is still here ; ) > No TB! Virus thus far LOL, well I know that wasn't funny if its happening to -- Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 2000 [version 5.0.2195] Mail Client: THE BAT 1.60i Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
This message (below) is marked INVALID SIGNATURE. The next one is not marked. Sunday, May 5, 2002, 3:07:20 AM, Lynna wrote: > Hello Luc, > Saturday, May 4, 2002, 10:58:22 AM, you digitally penned the following; L>> Good evening list, L>> Has anybody had bad experiences with TB! v1.60i ? > Skipped "I" and went straight to "J". -- Genemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows 2000 [version 5.0.2195] Mail Client: THE BAT 1.60i Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re[2]: TB! v1.60i
Hello Luc, Saturday, May 4, 2002, 12:06:07 PM, you digitally penned the following; L> But that is still beta, isn't it? Well, I admit the download link was on the beta site but at one point I thought that moderators said that these letter series "a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j " were "bug - fixes" and not new versions of the program. Well at any rate I downloaded, installed, and have been using it all morning. Nothing has locked up yet : ) and all my e-mail is still here ; ) No TB! Virus thus far LOL, well I know that wasn't funny if its happening to you but so far so good. Only complaint I have had was from Olaf who asked me not to sign SMIME. Said he could read every one else's SMIME but not mine. So if the rest of you have the same problem then maybe "J" still has a SMIME problem? But I can read everyone else's SMIME signed email's okay. -- Regards, Lynnamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat!1.60j Windows XP PGP ( Public ) Key available at www.apostolic-friends.net/pgpkey.htm Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
Good evening Lynna, It was foretold that on 5-5-2002 @ 23:07:20 GMT-0800 (which was 9:07:20 where I live) Lynna Lunsford wrote and spread these wise comments on "TB! v1.60i": LL> Skipped "I" and went straight to "J". But that is still beta, isn't it? -- Best regards, Lucmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.60c with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 and using the best browser: Opera. "The favourite game in Austria is Mikado. The one who moves something first, loses". Current Ver: 1.60i FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://bt.ritlabs.com
Re: TB! v1.60i
Hello Luc, Saturday, May 4, 2002, 10:58:22 AM, you digitally penned the following; L> Good evening list, L> Has anybody had bad experiences with TB! v1.60i ? Skipped "I" and went straight to "J". -- Regards, Lynnamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat!1.60j Windows XP PGP ( Public ) Key available at www.apostolic-friends.net/pgpkey.htm smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
TB! v1.60i
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