Re: trash folder columns

[Robin Anson]

On Wed 21 July 2004, 11:27:38 +1000, Rich Gregory wrote:
RG>>>>> Can't I sort the Trash folder by time deleted?
RA>>> The solution (which I can't claim credit for) is to sort by some field
RA>>> which has the same value for all messages.
> 
> I used the parked field. (I don't delete parked mssgs.)
> The trash box still does not "sort" by order deleted.
> 
> :(

Confirmed here. I'm sure this used to work in a previous version, but now
it appears to sort in ascending order by received date/time
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Re: trash folder columns

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo rich,

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:27:38 -0400GMT (21-7-2004, 3:27 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

RG> I used the parked field. (I don't delete parked mssgs.)
RG> The trash box still does not "sort" by order deleted.

What order did you get then?

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Re: trash folder columns

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Roelof,

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:41:02 +0200 GMT (20/07/2004, 14:41 +0700 GMT),
Roelof Otten wrote:

RO> You're right of course, must be that I'm preoccupied with my birthday
RO> today. ;-)

Happy birthday from Bangkok! :-)

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Re: trash folder columns

[Zonnet]

ON Tuesday, July 20, 2004, 9:41:02 AM, you wrote:
RO> You're right of course, must be that I'm preoccupied with my birthday
RO> today. ;-)

Hi Roelof,

Happy birthday  :happyb-day:




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Re: trash folder columns

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Robin,

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:08:05 +1000GMT (20-7-2004, 9:08 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

RG>>> Can't I sort the Trash folder by time deleted?
>> Don't sort it, then the messages are in the order they got in it.
RA> The problem is how not to sort the message list, since you cannot (as far
RA> as I can see) set no sorting.

You're right of course, must be that I'm preoccupied with my birthday
today. ;-)

RA> The solution (which I can't claim credit for) is to sort by some field
RA> which has the same value for all messages.

Yeah, I know I advised that several times.

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Re: trash folder columns

[Robin Anson]

On Tue 20 July 2004, 16:49:05 +1000, Roelof Otten wrote:
RG>> Can't I sort the Trash folder by time deleted?
> 
> Don't sort it, then the messages are in the order they got in it.

The problem is how not to sort the message list, since you cannot (as far
as I can see) set no sorting.

The solution (which I can't claim credit for) is to sort by some field
which has the same value for all messages. Flagging might do, or
attachments, priority or unread messages. If nothing else works, display
the folder and sort on that.

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Re: trash folder columns

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo rich,

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 00:06:54 -0400GMT (20-7-2004, 6:06 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

RG> Can't I sort the Trash folder by time deleted?

Don't sort it, then the messages are in the order they got in it.



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Deleting Trash folder from an account?

[Valery Kondakoff]

Hello, people at tbudl-list!

 I have set my accounts to delete all the unneeded mail to common
 Trash folder instead of local Trash (Account - Properties - Mail
 Management - Advanced - Deletion: 'Move to the specified folder' and
 'Use alternative deletion method when purging').

 Now I want to delete local Trash folders from every account because I
 don't need them anymore. But this seems to be impossible.

 Can anyone give me an idea: have can I delete local Trash folder from
 an account?

 Thank you!

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Re: Can't empty trash folder

[Gerard]

ON Thursday, May 15, 2003, 3:26:17 AM, you wrote:
S> Hi,

S> Can  anyone  give  me any suggestions? I cannot see the messages in my
S> trash folder and I cannot empty it. How can I fix this problem?

S> Thanks in Advance,

S> Sandy

Hi Sandy,
Please go to your trash folder and press ESC.
You should now see all msg´s in that folder. If you don´t see any this
means there are none.

Then right click on the trash folder and go to properties al the way a
the bottom.

You will get a window with options to keep msg´s in the folder for a
certain time or a certain qty of msg´s. Make sure you make a selection
here. Then also select at the bottom the "on exit" options you want.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Common Trash Folder

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RR> common folders also. Just set up a read filter with the source
RR> pointing anywhere but the common trash folder. This way I don't
RR> have to remember which type of folder I'm in.

Nice to be of assistance. Your willingness to use such a workaround
means that you'll really enjoy using TB!. There are many other things
that can be achieved in similar fashion. Get yourself a macro creation
tool and you're really cooking towards e-mailing comfort like you
never imagined. :-)))

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Re[2]: Common Trash Folder

[Robbie Robertson]

Thanks Allie, Tat worked. By the way, this *does* work in the common
folders also. Just set up a read filter with the source pointing
anywhere but the common trash folder. This way I don't have to
remember which type of folder I'm in.


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JT>> But this does not work on Common Folders.

> It doesn't need to. Just hit delete for common folders and those
> messages will end up in the common trash folder.

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Re: Common Trash Folder

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ACM>> whenever you wish to delete a message, hit the shortcut, instead
ACM>> of delete.

JT> But this does not work on Common Folders.

It doesn't need to. Just hit delete for common folders and those
messages will end up in the common trash folder.

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Re[2]: Common Trash Folder

[John Thomas]

ACM> whenever you wish to delete a message, hit the shortcut, instead of
ACM> delete.

But this does not work on Common Folders.  Perhaps this is a wish.  I
wish shortcuts worked on Common Folders.  Does anybody else?

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Re: Common Trash Folder

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ACM>> whenever you wish to delete a message, hit the shortcut, instead of
ACM>> delete.

JT> But this does not work on Common Folders.  Perhaps this is a wish.  I
JT> wish shortcuts worked on Common Folders.  Does anybody else?

For the common folders, just hit delete. The deleted messages will
end up in the common trash folder.

I do agree with you though that manual filters should be made to work
on common folder messages.

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Re: Common Trash Folder

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RR> Is there a way to have *all* accounts use this common trash folder
RR> when I manually delete messages? it sure would be handy to only
RR> have to deal with one trash folder instead of three. (I am keep TB
RR> running 24 hrs a day)

The only way to do this would be to create, for each account, a manual
filter that moves messages to the common trash folder. Assign the
filter a shortcut that triggers it (eg CTRL+Alt+T). After that,
whenever you wish to delete a message, hit the shortcut, instead of
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Common Trash Folder

[Robbie Robertson]

I have TB v1.60q just installed. I have set up Common folders that
receive filtered messages from two accounts. I notice that there is a
separate Common Trash folder.

Is there a way to have *all* accounts use this common trash folder
when I manually delete messages? it sure would be handy to only have
to deal with one trash folder instead of three. (I am keep TB running
24 hrs a day)


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Re: Common Trash folder?

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B> Is there any way of creating one trash folder that all deleted
B> messages from all my accounts end up in?

Yes, there's a way.

You can use the common trash folder that's created in your common
folders area. The only way I can think of having it created is to
delete common folder messages.

In order to delete messages from account folders so that they move to
the common trash folder you then have to create a filter for each
account and assign the filter a shortcut. The filter action would be
to mark the message as read and move it to the common trash folder. To
delete a message, you just use the filter shortcut instead of the
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Common Trash folder?

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Re: Trash folder: Incompatible options?!

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Dierk,

> BTW, there is a problem with these options. As long as they are
> mutually exclusive there should be a way to prevent users choosing
> them.

You are right, but no program is 100% perfect :-)

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Re: Trash folder: Incompatible options?!

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Miguel!

On Tuesday, May 21, 2002 at 8:21:09 PM you wrote:

> Check your Account/Properties/Options and se if you have "Empty Trash
> folder on exit" select. If yes, this overrides the trash folder
> settings.

Thanks, that's step one, I *was* overlooking something. Now I hope it
works like I want to ...

BTW, there is a problem with these options. As long as they are
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Re: Trash folder: Incompatible options?!

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Dierk,

>   Am I missing something? Shouldn't messages be removed on exit
>   *after* two days have passed?

Check your Account/Properties/Options and se if you have "Empty Trash
folder on exit" select. If yes, this overrides the trash folder
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Trash folder: Incompatible options?!

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello TBUDL Members!

  Just found something curious:

   There are two options in the folder properties that seem to be
   incompatible - even mutually exclusive. I chose to leave
   messages in message base for two days. At the same time I
   checked to "Remove old messages" on exit (together with
   compressing).

  Now, since I almost never have to come back to older messages (at
  least on that account) I never thought about it until today, when I
  needed some messages for Syafril. The messages, dated from today,
  were deleted although there hadn't been two days gone.

  Am I missing something? Shouldn't messages be removed on exit
  *after* two days have passed?


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Re: Common Trash Folder -- Emptying on Exit

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Tue, 7 May 2002, Allie C Martin wrote:

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> G> To set the "Empty trash on exit" place the focus on the trash
> G> folder and go to account|properties|options. There it is :-)
>
> *That* I didn't know about. :-)
>
> For those who haven't tried, what this does is to open the properties
> panel for the common folders.
>
> You don't have to focus on the common trash folder specifically to get
> to the empty trash on exit option. Just focusing on any common folder
> and going to the account properties option in the Account menu, or
> just hitting Shift+Ctrl+P will do the same.
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Hehe... based on this info... I correct my last email on this thread ;)  I
guess account can be interchanged when it comes to common folders.

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Re: Common Trash Folder -- Emptying on Exit

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Tue, 7 May 2002, Gerard wrote:

> Hi Jonathan,
>
>   Finnaly found the common inbox and trash folder.
>   To set the "Empty trash on exit" place the focus on the trash folder
>   and go to account|properties|options. There it is :-)

It wasn't me that originally asked... but I'm sure they'll be reading the
thread anyway ;)  I think that option is for the account trash can (the
one nested inside each account).  I think you have to right click on the
folder that you want to empty on exit, and set "empty on exit"... or
something like that... I'll take a peek when I get into work.

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Re: Common Trash Folder -- Emptying on Exit

[Gerard]

ON Tuesday, May 7, 2002, 12:59:58 PM, you wrote:

ACM> *That* I didn't know about. :-)

Hi Allie,

Between the 2 of us we probably still only know have of the BAT tricks,
so its best we keep on reading and writing on this list ;-)

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Re: Common Trash Folder -- Emptying on Exit

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G> To set the "Empty trash on exit" place the focus on the trash
G> folder and go to account|properties|options. There it is :-)

*That* I didn't know about. :-)

For those who haven't tried, what this does is to open the properties
panel for the common folders.

You don't have to focus on the common trash folder specifically to get
to the empty trash on exit option. Just focusing on any common folder
and going to the account properties option in the Account menu, or
just hitting Shift+Ctrl+P will do the same.

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Re: Common Trash Folder -- Emptying on Exit

[Gerard]

ON Tuesday, May 7, 2002, 11:49:30 AM, you wrote:


JA> I thought there was a setting that allowed you to "Empty trash on exit",
JA> and you didn't have to mark the age of messages.  I think the setting
JA> you're looking at is the "Keep messages for..." setting where it'll delete
JA> them when the time you've had the message expires.


Hi Jonathan,

  Finnaly found the common inbox and trash folder.
  To set the "Empty trash on exit" place the focus on the trash folder
  and go to account|properties|options. There it is :-)
  
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Re: Common Trash Folder -- Emptying on Exit

[John Thomas]

mmc> How do I get the program to empty the Common trash folder on exit?

I do not know if this is the best way, but it works.  Right click on
the trash folder, select properties, check the following: Maximum (set
to zero), remove, and compress.

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Re: Common Trash Folder -- Emptying on Exit

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Tue, 7 May 2002, Gerard wrote:

> ON Tuesday, May 7, 2002, 10:58:07 AM, you wrote:
>
> mmc> How do I get the program to empty the Common trash folder on exit?



> I am never sure what is meant by the common trash folder. I have 1 trash
> folder per account and it has a special symbol as oppose to the standard
> folder icon.

If you have a common folder... TB! generates a common trash can for it.
So anything deleted from your common folder(s) is put in the common trash,
instead of trying to guess an account trash can to put it in.

> As for emptying the trash folder you should have the bottom to radio
> box "Remove old Messages" marked (compress is optional).
> You should then proceed to tell TB! what these old msg's are. In other
> words you have to either mark the max number of msg's or the age of the
> msg's. If you do neither TB! doesn't know what an "old" msg's is and
> therefore can't remove it.

I thought there was a setting that allowed you to "Empty trash on exit",
and you didn't have to mark the age of messages.  I think the setting
you're looking at is the "Keep messages for..." setting where it'll delete
them when the time you've had the message expires.

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Re: Common Trash Folder -- Emptying on Exit

[Gerard]

ON Tuesday, May 7, 2002, 10:58:07 AM, you wrote:


mmc> How do I get the program to empty the Common trash folder on exit?

mmc> In the Common Inbox-Known's properties, I checked "Empty Trash on
mmc> exit".  But the Common trash folder is a folder separate from the
mmc> Common Inbox-known.  Even if I drag the Common Trash to be a subfolder
mmc> of Common Inbox-known, it is still not emptyied on exit.

mmc> Also, in a previous message I stated that when I make the Common trash
mmc> folder to be a subfolder of Common Inbox-known, The Bat! does NOT put
mmc> the deleted messages there.  Instead, it creates a NEW Common Trash
mmc> folder for those deleted messages.  I asked whether there is a way to
mmc> get the program to use the trash subfolder instead of creating a new
mmc> Common trash folder.  I had no response to that question.  So I can
mmc> only assume there is none.

I am never sure what is meant by the common trash folder. I have 1 trash
folder per account and it has a special symbol as oppose to the standard
folder icon.

As for emptying the trash folder you should have the bottom to radio
box "Remove old Messages" marked (compress is optional).
You should then proceed to tell TB! what these old msg's are. In other
words you have to either mark the max number of msg's or the age of the
msg's. If you do neither TB! doesn't know what an "old" msg's is and
therefore can't remove it.

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Common Trash Folder -- Emptying on Exit

[mocha9mail]

How do I get the program to empty the Common trash folder on exit?

In the Common Inbox-Known's properties, I checked "Empty Trash on
exit".  But the Common trash folder is a folder separate from the
Common Inbox-known.  Even if I drag the Common Trash to be a subfolder
of Common Inbox-known, it is still not emptyied on exit.

Also, in a previous message I stated that when I make the Common trash
folder to be a subfolder of Common Inbox-known, The Bat! does NOT put
the deleted messages there.  Instead, it creates a NEW Common Trash
folder for those deleted messages.  I asked whether there is a way to
get the program to use the trash subfolder instead of creating a new
Common trash folder.  I had no response to that question.  So I can
only assume there is none.

Thanks in advance

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Re: Deleted and removed Trash folder messages remain on mail server - bug?

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On Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 9:44:21 PM, Allie C Martin wrote:

ACM> I just tried it and it works over here. I sent myself some messages
ACM> with your configuration. Checked the server. The messages were there
ACM> and marked as read. I deleted the messages and they were still there
ACM> on the server. I then deleted them from the trash, did a mail check
ACM> so that TB! could delete the messages and then checked the server ..
ACM> they were gone.

ACM> I then tried it across a shutdown, and it also worked. Remember that
ACM> TB! does the deletion upon the next mail check. If you shutdown and
ACM> restart, it's when you check for mail for the first time that TB!
ACM> updates the server, deleting the relevant messages.

In TheBat! 1.60h here are my pertinent settings:

Account | Properties | Mail management
  (*) Leave messages on server
[v] Delete message from server when it is removed from the Trash

Account | Properties | Options
  [ ] Check mailbox at start-up
  [v] Periodical checking each     [3 ] [minutes ]
  [v] Empty Trash folder on exit

When I deleted an e-mail to the Trash folder, exited and ran TheBat!
again, I was not waiting long enough for TheBat! to check e-mail based on
my time interval setting.  If I had (or have) "Check mailbox at start-up"
feature selected, then TheBat! would have deleted the marked e-mails for
deletion on the mail server.

This feature is working in TheBat! 1.60h.  I was just too impatient with
the almost correct TheBat! settings.  :)

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Re: Deleted and removed Trash folder messages remain on mail server - bug?

[Mark Knipfer]

On Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 9:54:58 PM, Allie C Martin wrote:

ACM> It's definitely working just fine at your end.

I concur now.  :)

ACM> You can now go ahead and switch to TB! ;-)))

I have a few other issues to mend out still.

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Re: Deleted and removed Trash folder messages remain on mail server - bug?

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MK> Steps to reproduce bug and delete messages from mail server:

MK> 1. Send an e-mail to yourself "Subject: Test 1".

MK> 2. Receive the "Subject: Test 1" message.

MK> 3. Delete the "Subject: Test 1" message to the Trash folder.

MK> 4. Exit TheBat! 1.60h.

MK> 5. Run TheBat! 1.60h. The message from the Trash folder is done. click
MK> Account | Dispatch Mail On Server | All Messages and the "Test 1" message
MK> is still there.

It will still be there since you didn't give TB! a chance to update
the server. It does this with each POP check. You need to do a mail
check *before* running the dispatcher to check the server to see if
the message was deleted.

It works just fine here.

MK> 6. Send another test e-mail to your self "Subject: Test 2".

MK> 7. Receive the "Subject: Test 2" message.  Delete it to the Trash folder.

MK> 8. Exit TheBat! 1.60h.

MK> 9. Run TheBat! 1.60h. Click Account | Dispatch Mail On Server |
MK> All Messages and you will notice the "Test 1" message is no longer
MK> present

Exactly, since it was deleted when you downloaded the 'test 2'
message.

MK> on the mail server and the "Test 2" message is still on the mail
MK> server and marked for deletion.

Yes. It will be deleted when you perform the next regular POP check.

MK> If you exit and run TheBat! 1.60h again and again, the "Test 2"
MK> message remains marked for deletion on the mail server.

This is because you haven't performed a POP check while doing all that
and it's the only time the messages get deleted.

MK> However, if you send a "Test 3" message, receive and delete the
MK> message, then the "Test 2" message will get deleted from the mail
MK> server

There you go... You did a POP check to download 'Test 3', do 'Test 2'
is deleted in the process.

It's definitely working just fine at your end.

You can now go ahead and switch to TB! ;-)))

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Re: Deleted and removed Trash folder messages remain on mail server - bug?

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Mark Knipfer [MK] wrote:
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ACM>> To narrow the problem down, have you tried deleting messages
ACM>> from the trash manually

MK> Yes, with no succes.

I just tried it and it works over here. I sent myself some messages
with your configuration. Checked the server. The messages were there
and marked as read. I deleted the messages and they were still there
on the server. I then deleted them from the trash, did a mail check so
that TB! could delete the messages and then checked the server .. they
were gone.

I then tried it across a shutdown, and it also worked. Remember that
TB! does the deletion upon the next mail check. If you shutdown and
restart, it's when you check for mail for the first time that TB!
updates the server, deleting the relevant messages.

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Re: Deleted and removed Trash folder messages remain on mail server - bug?

[Mark Knipfer]

On Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 9:19:19 PM, Allie C Martin wrote:

ACM> Mark Knipfer [MK] wrote:
ACM> ...
MK>> How can I get TheBat! 1.60h to remove these messages on the mail
MK>> server based on the above settings?

ACM> To narrow the problem down, have you tried deleting messages from the
ACM> trash manually or with a purge operation and seeing how TB! deals
ACM> with it the next time a mail check is performed? If it works under
ACM> those circumstances, it would seem that the feature doesn't work
ACM> across shutdown and restarts of TB!.

Update..

Steps to reproduce bug and delete messages from mail server:

1. Send an e-mail to yourself "Subject: Test 1".

2. Receive the "Subject: Test 1" message.

3. Delete the "Subject: Test 1" message to the Trash folder.

4. Exit TheBat! 1.60h.

5. Run TheBat! 1.60h. The message from the Trash folder is done. click
Account | Dispatch Mail On Server | All Messages and the "Test 1" message
is still there.

6. Send another test e-mail to your self "Subject: Test 2".

7. Receive the "Subject: Test 2" message.  Delete it to the Trash folder.

8. Exit TheBat! 1.60h.

9. Run TheBat! 1.60h. Click Account | Dispatch Mail On Server | All
Messages and you will notice the "Test 1" message is no longer present on
the mail server and the "Test 2" message is still on the mail server and
marked for deletion.  If you exit and run TheBat! 1.60h again and again,
the "Test 2" message remains marked for deletion on the mail server.

However, if you send a "Test 3" message, receive and delete the message,
then the "Test 2" message will get deleted from the mail server when it
has already been deleted from the Trash folder much earlier.  This is
definitely a bug in TheBat! 1.60h.  If this feature actually worked
correctly, this would be great.

If you want to delete the message(s) marked for deletion on the mail
server on the last exit, the next time you run TheBat! you will need to
manually delete them from the mail server through the Dispatch Mail On
Server | All Messages feature.

I wonder when RIT Labs will fix this bug.  I am thinking about switching
over to TheBat! and this is one main feature I would like to use.

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Re: Deleted and removed Trash folder messages remain on mail server - bug?

[Mark Knipfer]

On Wednesday, May 1, 2002, 9:19:19 PM, Allie C Martin wrote:

ACM> Mark Knipfer [MK] wrote:
ACM> ...
MK>> How can I get TheBat! 1.60h to remove these messages on the mail
MK>> server based on the above settings?

ACM> To narrow the problem down, have you tried deleting messages from the
ACM> trash manually

Yes, with no succes.

ACM> or with a purge operation and seeing how TB! deals with
ACM> it the next time a mail check is performed?

Is there a way to set up TheBat! to purge on exit?

Otherwise I will need to click Folder | Purge all folders or
Purge+Compress, correct?

ACM> If it works under those circumstances, it would seem that the feature
ACM> doesn't work across shutdown and restarts of TB!.

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Re: Deleted and removed Trash folder messages remain on mail server - bug?

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MK> How can I get TheBat! 1.60h to remove these messages on the mail
MK> server based on the above settings?

To narrow the problem down, have you tried deleting messages from the
trash manually or with a purge operation and seeing how TB! deals with
it the next time a mail check is performed? If it works under those
circumstances, it would seem that the feature doesn't work across
shutdown and restarts of TB!.

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Deleted and removed Trash folder messages remain on mail server - bug?

[Mark Knipfer]

In TheBat! 1.60h I have the following settings:

Account | Properties | Mail management
  (*) Leave mesages on server
[v] Delete message from server when it is removed from the Trash

Account | Properties | Options
  [v] Empty Trash folder on exit

When I delete an e-mail, the message goes to the Trash folder.  When I
exit TheBat! 1.60h, all messages in the Trash folder get deleted.  When I
run TheBat! 1.60h again, no messages appear in the Trash folder.  However,
when I click Account | Dispatch Mail On Server | All Messages, I see the
message(s) on the mail server showing the Delete checkbox checked, but the
message(s) do not delete from the mail server.  The message appear marked
for deletion and always remain there.

How can I get TheBat! 1.60h to remove these messages on the mail server
based on the above settings?


According to TheBat! 1.60h Help file:

  Mail management Settings

  Delete message from server when it is removed from Trash - use
  this option if you want your messages to be kept on the server
  until you delete them and they are removed from the trash folder.

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Re: sending spam to the trash folder

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At Sunday, May 27, 2001 on 5:06:22 AM, Lija wrote:

L> Also, one good reason for sending BCC-ed msgs is that if you want to send one
L> msg to e.g. 10 recipients, that msg would be much shorter when comes to
L> recipient's mailbox.

Good thing is to put e-mail addresses from friends as presented
alternatives as sender, so mails form your friends without your e-mail
in To: or CC: field well not to be processed with filter.

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Re: sending spam to the trash folder

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On Sat, 26 May 2001 21:56:18 -0700, Melissa thoughtfully wrote the
following:

M> I also appreciate the use of "BCC" when friends want to include me in
M> multiple recipient mail - in fact I insist on it - but this doesn't
M> seem to be a problem with my Spam filter.  I tested my Spam filter
M> against mail I sent to myself using "BCC" (nothing in the "To" field),
M> and it did arrive in my Inbox - not in the trash.

I assume then that in this case, you have a filter setup to filter
messages from yourself right? If you have filters setup to filter messages
from friends using their from address, then bcc'd messages from them will
not reach your spam filter. I'm referring to messages from an individual
or company, for which you haven't created a filter rule and who has bcc'd
a message to you. It will end up in your spam folder.

M> So far, the Spam filter is working pretty well. I probably won't need
M> to set it to "delete" any time soon, as it's so easy to just check the
M> trash periodically for stray legitimate mail, and then delete the rest.

Exactly. One really shouldn't miss any real mail because of spam.

M> Much nicer anyway than having to weed out all the trash from within the
M> Inbox. To date, it's all been Spam in the trash anyway.

You'll find that ~98% of the messages are spam but the occasional
legitimate ends up there.

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Re: sending spam to the trash folder

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On Saturday, May 26, 2001, at 8:06:22 PM PDT, Lija wrote:

L> ...he also sometimes send msgs to other his friends that I don't know
L> or L>they don't know me, and I specifically noted him not to include
L>recipients in visible TO and CC fields. So, for me in this case, BCC
L>field means privacy.

I also appreciate the use of "BCC" when friends want to include me in
multiple recipient mail - in fact I insist on it - but this doesn't seem
to be a problem with my Spam filter.  I tested my Spam filter against mail
I sent to myself using "BCC" (nothing in the "To" field), and it did
arrive in my Inbox - not in the trash.

So far, the Spam filter is working pretty well.  I probably won't need to
set it to "delete" any time soon, as it's so easy to just check the trash
periodically for stray legitimate mail, and then delete the rest.  Much
nicer anyway than having to weed out all the trash from within the Inbox.
To date, it's all been Spam in the trash anyway.

Melissa

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Re[2]: sending spam to the trash folder

[Lija]

Hello A,

On Sat, 26 May 2001, at 05:29:33 [GMT -0500, your local time]
(26.5.01 at 12:29 was my local time), you wrote to TBUDL:

ACM> I'd advise that you not ever set the spam to be deleted when using this
ACM> filtering method. The reason being that it's not only spam that comprises
ACM> messages that have not been addressed to you directly. A friend not in
ACM> your filters could BCC a message to you.

True! I can confirm this because I used to get a lot BCC-ed msgs from a *very
good* friend. Although sending like this can be "not polite", I do NOT blame
him. Why? Because, he also sometimes send msgs to other his friends that I don't
know or they don't know me, and I specifically noted him not to include
recipients in visible TO and CC fields. So, for me in this case, BCC field means
privacy.

Also, one good reason for sending BCC-ed msgs is that if you want to send one
msg to e.g. 10 recipients, that msg would be much shorter when comes to
recipient's mailbox.

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Re: sending spam to the trash folder

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On Fri, 25 May 2001 19:46:28 -0700, Melissa wrote these comments:

M> I'm sending Spam to the trash only temporarily - just to be sure that
M> my new Spam filter isn't trashing mail I actually might want.  After I
M> get the filter ironed out a bit, I'll set it to "delete" instead of
M> sending it to the trash.  I don't use the ticker much, so it's not
M> necessary for me to visit the trash to make it go away.

I'd advise that you not ever set the spam to be deleted when using this
filtering method. The reason being that it's not only spam that comprises
messages that have not been addressed to you directly. A friend not in
your filters could BCC a message to you. A software company from which you
requested program updates may do so by sending you a BCC of the update
message. Of course there are other examples.

I created a spam folder and set it to delete messages more than 2 days old
and mark any messages filtered there as read. As a result of this the
folder never accumulates many messages, is self-maintaining (I set it to
compress on exit), messages are silently added, and I can check the folder
periodically for legitimate messages. For me, legitimate messages are
uncommon these days but I'd not want to lose a single legitimate message
because of spam. :-)

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Re: sending spam to the trash folder

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello Dwight,

Saturday, May 26, 2001, 4:24:36 AM, you wrote:

DAC> what good does it do to send spam to the trash folder if you have
DAC> to visit it before the mail ticker goes away,

  You can turn the mail ticker off for individual folders. Just
  uncheck the Show mail ticker on unread messages in properties of the
  folder.

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Re: sending spam to the trash folder

[Thomas]

Hello Dwight,

On Fri, 25 May 2001 21:24:36 -0500 GMT (26/05/2001, 10:24 +0800 GMT),
Dwight A Corrin wrote:

DAC> what good does it do to send spam to the trash folder if you have to
DAC> visit it before the mail ticker goes away, or if you open a window for
DAC> all your new mail?

Send it to trash and "mark as read" at the same time.

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Re: sending spam to the trash folder

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On Friday, May 25, 2001, at 7:24:36 PM PDT, Dwight A Corrin wrote:

DAC> what good does it do to send spam to the trash folder if you have to
DAC> visit it before the mail ticker goes away, or if you open a window
DAC> for all your new mail?

Hello Dwight,

I'm sending Spam to the trash only temporarily - just to be sure that my
new Spam filter isn't trashing mail I actually might want.  After I get
the filter ironed out a bit, I'll set it to "delete" instead of sending it
to the trash.  I don't use the ticker much, so it's not necessary for me
to visit the trash to make it go away.

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[Dwight A Corrin]

what good does it do to send spam to the trash folder if you have to
visit it before the mail ticker goes away, or if you open a window for
all your new mail?

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Trash Folder

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Hello,
I  use  the  "Bat"  to check and retrieve messages
from  my Yahoo mail account. It works great except
for  1 detail. All the messages that I delete from
the  folders  in the bat end up in my trash folder
in  my Yahoo account. Yahoo treats these as stored
messages  and  after  awhile  it  just  cant  hold
anymore.  Is  there  a  way  to keep these deleted
messages   from  ending  up  in  my  Yahoo  trash
folder..?
I  do have it so that the bat deletes the messages
from the server after retrieval, but it dumps them
in  the  Yahoo  trash folder anyway. Its not a BIG
deal  but it is a pain to have go to my yahoo mail
account and empty the trash folder everyday..
I   receive  nearly 700 emails a day, and my trash
folder fills quickly.
I must be missing something.
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Re: Disabling "New mail" sound for the Trash folder...?

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

On Thursday, July 13, 2000, 12:34:44 PM, Mark R Harding wrote:

> Is there any way this can be achieved (besides filtering into another
> 'dummy' folder first of all) because I'd really like to switch this
> off.

Yes, have the mail marked read when filtering it to the trash. You'll
find that option in the sorting rules under Actions.

Regards,

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Disabling "New mail" sound for the Trash folder...?

[Mark R Harding]

Hi TBUDL,

Via filtering I direct certain messages directly into the Trash folder
just as I direct other messages, via other filters, into other
folders.  For the other folders I can change or disable the 'new-mail'
sound that is player when an email is dropped directly into the
folder.  However, I cannot seem to disable the new-mail sound for the
Trash folder - there being no appropriate menu tab on the folders
properties dialog.

Is there any way this can be achieved (besides filtering into another
'dummy' folder first of all) because I'd really like to switch this
off.

Cheers,

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