Re: a real mystery
Hi Allie. At 1:08 PM on Saturday, August 03, 2002 you [ACM] wrote the following about [a real mystery]: ACM> Only that I don't think your problem is TB! related and only that TB! ACM> has suffered as a result of it. Sending messages to Dell tech support ACM> is more the way to go. [...] You know, Allie, now I'm not so sure about this. No other program is affected. I can empty a folder but not delete individual msgs. TB! has a hard time compressing the 'trash' folder [even tho it is currently empty]. I've deleted tbi files & tried again w the same result. I'd like to change focus on this problem a bit to see if there is some way I can actually move TB! & all its files to a fresh HD location & try again. What do you think & how would you go about it? I know how to move 'MAIL' & all subfolders & then just move them back & re-constitute my accounts but I'm wondering if I wouldn't be 'carrying' the problem with me. ?? TIA -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.62/Beta1/W2K_SP2 ICQ 41116329 Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: a real mystery
Jan said: JR> ... I think my problem is not so much one of data recovery but a JR> utility that works with NTFS [not FAT32] which I could use to JR> block the few bad sectors I have & fix the one file link which JR> is what I think is affecting TB!. But to the best of my JR> knowledge, I haven't lost any data yet. JR> ... I should have a better utility that MS chkdsk anyway. I want JR> to block off those questionable sectors. JR> ... I'm not really a Norton fan. Aside from OnTrack (who supplies the installation disks that come w/ many if not most hard drives purchased separately), among the people who have hard disk control down pat are PowerQuest (PartitionMagic & other utilities) www.powerquest.com and relatively recently I found two other firms that offer similar applications: Paragon and Acronis. http://www.paragon.ru/n_frame.htm and http://www.acronis.com I am using the Acronis OS Selector and Disk Administrator which has functions similar to PartitionMagic's. I've used it to partition, as well as resize and move partitions and change partitions from one file system format to another, with data and all already installed on the drives. It's worked well for those tasks, but didn't recognize a version of XP Home that I had installed on another hard drive that is there as a slave. So I can't recommend it as a boot manager (until I get that detail resolved after installing another OS like Linux when I have a little more time) but there are a lot of things there that might be useful and the people I dealt with were quite helpful and pleasant to deal with. Take a look at all three sites and you just might find what you're looking for on any or all of them. I'm sure you won't be afraid to use a program from the ex-Soviet Union (Paragon is in St. Petersburg). I was already trying out the Acronis OS Selector when I ran into that one, but what I saw on the website looked very complete. If you need any info regarding the Acronis OS Selector I can check on it's functions for you, since I have a fully functional copy. For instance: I could make a NTFS partition and try to change it to FAT32. Would that help? Acronis also offers something called "Acronis Recovery Expert" for $29.95 but you might need to have it installed before your problem occurs. Automatically recover ANY partition with ANY file system, including Windows FAT and NTFS, Linux Ext2, Ext3, ReiserFS, Linux SWAP, HPFS, and many more Anyway, there are more options out there than Norton, LookOut Express and Eudora. It this gets too OT, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (the eccopro address) rather than the myrealbox.com address Douglas Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: a real mystery
Hello Jan, 3. avgust 2002, 20:08:40, you wrote: > Can you suggest one that works with NTFS rather than > FAT32. I had considered Spinrite v5 only to discover that > it doesn't work w NTFS. I have a feeling that if I could > do this, this particular problem would be solved. Any more > of these & I would certainly consider changing HDs > quickly. You should try to go to your disk manufacturer's website, and download it's recovery tool. Each disk has a few spare sectors, which aren't used by default, but can be mapped into usage, if your disk gets bad sectors (and, because of that, the bad sectors are mapped into unused space; this is better than just using a disk-checking tool to mark the sectors as bad, as you'll be able to use the space those sectors would occupy this way). -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.60d on Windows 2000 5.0.2195.Service Pack 3] The inevitable result of improved communications between different levels in a hierarchy is a vastly increased area of misunderstandi -- Law of Hierachical Communications Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: a real mystery
Hello Jan, >> [...] Some disk utilities will mark those sectors as "bad" and >> will not allow the O/S subsystem to use them again. That's what >> you need, [/...] > Can you suggest one that works with NTFS rather than FAT32. AFAIK NTFS will remember bad sectors itself and won't use them again. So you shouldn't need an extra tool, though I never had a chance to verify this claim ;-) -- Regards, Patrick Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: a real mystery
Hi Douglas. At 3:18 PM on Saturday, August 03, 2002 you wrote the following about [a real mystery]: JR>>>> Suddenly I can't delete msgs from any folder. If I click JR>>>> on the waste basket icon or , the result is the same, JR>>>> my system locks up for a few seconds. DH> Did you try rebooting the computer? Also, check your DH> hard disk space in that partition. If you're low, that DH> could do it. [/...] Thanks for replying to my post. Yes I did reboot my system. I have a 60g HD w a single partition so there's plenty of space -- approx 45g so that shouldn't be the problem. I checked the OnTrack site. I think my problem is not so much one of data recovery but a utility that works with NTFS [not FAT32] which I could use to block the few bad sectors I have & fix the one file link which is what I think is affecting TB!. But to the best of my knowledge, I haven't lost any data yet. This problem may require me to remove TB! completely & re-install it in a different location but I should have a better utility that MS chkdsk anyway. I want to block off those questionable sectors. I had one person tell me that they had a similar situation which was solved by Norton systemworks 2001 [not 2000, not 2002 he said]. I've located a couple of pro versions of the program pretty cheap on ebay so I'm thinking about that but I'm not really a Norton fan. Also waiting for a Dell tech support reply. I'm game to try almost anything at this point except changing out my HD. Regards, -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.62/Beta1/W2K_SP2 ICQ 41116329 Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: a real mystery
Hello again Jan, As I suspected, www.ontrack.com is a little closer to your location and http://www.ontrack.com/special/drquad1.asp is their Data Recovery Center. I see that what they offer is XP compatible so it shoukld work fine with NTFS, Ontrack says it can recover your data or sell you Ontrack EasyRecovery v6 and a few aother options for (I can't get into http://www.ontrack.com/buyonline/#RE7201 for some reason at the moment). There is a trial version that will let you see which files are salvageable once you cough up the cash. D Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re[2]: a real mystery
Hello Jan, About the problem you mentioned: JR>>> Suddenly I can't delete msgs from any folder. If I click JR>>> on the waste basket icon or , the result is the same, JR>>> my system locks up for a few seconds. Did you try rebooting the computer? Also, check your hard disk space in that partition. If you're low, that could do it. If that's the case, kill all dupes and compress all folders and if needed, free up disk space by eliminating or moving something else. On this new machine I have TB! ALONE in a 3 gb partition, which should last me a while - but before that the kind of problems you describe occurred from lack of disk space. D Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: a real mystery
Hello Jan Thank you for your email dated Saturday, August 3, 2002, 7:08:40 PM, in which you wrote: JR> Can you suggest one that works with NTFS www.ontrack.co.uk have a product called EasyRecovery pro. Expensive, it's in excess of £100 but it's very good. They may offer a trial period. I haven't been following this thread so I may not fully understand your predicament/requirements. -- Regards William Flying with The Bat! 1.61 www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: a real mystery
Hi Jan, On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, at 14:08:40 [GMT -0400] (19:08 where I live) you wrote: JR> Hi Thomas. JR> At 1:29 PM on Saturday, August 03, 2002 you wrote the JR> following about [a real mystery]: TF>> [...] Some disk utilities will mark those sectors as TF>> "bad" and will not allow the O/S subsystem to use them TF>> again. That's what you need, [/...] JR> Can you suggest one that works with NTFS rather than JR> FAT32. I had considered Spinrite v5 only to discover that JR> it doesn't work w NTFS. I have a feeling that if I could JR> do this, this particular problem would be solved. Any more JR> of these & I would certainly consider changing HDs JR> quickly. I would have from the start. Example, I lost all of my email from 1996-2001 cause of a disk fault... mind you, I was using LookOut at the time. That was all my Westminster correspondance, thousands of emails from user groups, correspondence with friends and colleagues gone - thanks to one HDD sector. Now if I get them, the disc goes. Fortunately I moved over to SCSI at the same time for my system disc as well...! A -- 03 August 2002, 19:15 [ Adam Rykala : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ [new-wales] project : www.new-wales.net ] [ Private key : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] My keyboard keeps changing what I type. All messages both into and out of this account have been scanned with AntiVir's Antivirus Mail Gateway for Linux. However, all attachments should be scanned also with a virus checker at the receiver's end to ensure that the files are clean and free of virus infection. All messages are for the attention of the recipient only. Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: a real mystery
Hi Allie. At 1:08 PM on Saturday, August 03, 2002 you [ACM] wrote the following about [a real mystery]: ACM> Only that I don't think your problem is TB! related and ACM> only that TB! has suffered as a result of it. Sending ACM> messages to Dell tech support is more the way to go. Yeah. well, I'm waiting & waiting & waiting. I haven't called them because I find their first level tech support not as good recently. Someone from one of the Dell forums suggested Norton systemworks 2001 got him out of a similar problem. I don't have this program. ACM> I don't know how old your Dell is but mine has a hard ACM> disk diagnostic included in the BIOS. I hit CTRL+ALT+D ACM> when the machine is just starting up and this will ACM> start the HD diagnostics. I have an 8100 [1 yr old], didn't know it had HD diags in bios so I'll give that a try, too. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.62/Beta1/W2K_SP2 ICQ 41116329 Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: a real mystery
Hi Thomas. At 1:29 PM on Saturday, August 03, 2002 you wrote the following about [a real mystery]: TF> [...] Some disk utilities will mark those sectors as TF> "bad" and will not allow the O/S subsystem to use them TF> again. That's what you need, [/...] Can you suggest one that works with NTFS rather than FAT32. I had considered Spinrite v5 only to discover that it doesn't work w NTFS. I have a feeling that if I could do this, this particular problem would be solved. Any more of these & I would certainly consider changing HDs quickly. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.62/Beta1/W2K_SP2 ICQ 41116329 Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: a real mystery
Hello Jan, On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:53:52 -0400 GMT (03/08/02, 23:53 +0700 GMT), Jan Rifkinson wrote: JR> Don't have scandisk/ used chkdsk reports file record JR> segments unreadable 90276 thru 90287, unrecoverable JR> problems. Here is your problem. Some disk utilities will mark those sectors as "bad" and will not allow the O/S subsystem to use them again. That's what you need, until you get a new HD (timing: soonest). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Und heisst Du nicht Willi, dann rauch' ich im Wald. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: a real mystery
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jan Rifkinson [JR] wrote: JR> I have msgs out to dell forums & tech support. JR> Anyone else have some thoughts on this situation. Only that I don't think your problem is TB! related and only that TB! has suffered as a result of it. Sending messages to Dell tech support is more the way to go. I don't know how old your Dell is but mine has a hard disk diagnostic included in the BIOS. I hit CTRL+ALT+D when the machine is just starting up and this will start the HD diagnostics. It was it that alerted me to an impending hard disk failure when I started having strange problems which included losing access to one of my TB! message bases which was deleted upon running a check disk. - -- -=Allie C Martin=- List Moderator | TB! v1.61 | Windows XP Pro PGP/GPG Public Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=2B0717E2 _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.1.91 (Win32) iD8DBQE9TA4CV8nrYCsHF+IRAtSMAKDe8rZ4CnH/FKPQbS69Z8PZP0tJGQCfVm6P gVOICyVZgMCr5rIE/YVtfe8= =DcYF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: a real mystery
Hi Roelof. Thanks for replying to my msg. At 11:41 AM on Saturday, August 03, 2002 you [RO] wrote the following about [a real mystery]: JR>> Suddenly I can't delete msgs from any folder. If I click JR>> on the waste basket icon or , the result is the same, JR>> my system locks up for a few seconds. RO> Close TB RO> Delete the messages.tbi file from the malfunctioning folders RO> (including Trash) RO> Run Scandisk RO> Start TB and try to delete messages again Followed steps 1-3. Don't have scandisk/ used chkdsk reports file record segments unreadable 90276 thru 90287, unrecoverable problems. After re-starting TB!, same symptoms. I also re-installed current beta thinking it might have been corrupted. same symptoms. I installed last release v1.61. same symptoms. I returned to current beta. I have msgs out to dell forums & tech support. Anyone else have some thoughts on this situation. TIA -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.62/Beta1/W2K_SP2 ICQ 41116329 Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: a real mystery
Hallo Jan, On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 17:30:08 -0400GMT (2-8-02, 23:30 +0200GMT, where I live), you wrote: JR> Suddenly I can't delete msgs from any folder. If I click JR> on the waste basket icon or , the result is the same, JR> my system locks up for a few seconds. Close TB Delete the messages.tbi file from the malfunctioning folders (including Trash) Run Scandisk Start TB and try to delete messages again JR> I do have a few unreadable addresses on my HD. I'm JR> wondering if that could have anything to do with it? Possibly. That's the reason for the scandisk part. JR> Ideas anyone? That's all what this is: ideas. -- Groetjes, Roelof Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
a real mystery
Hello Bat Folk. Suddenly I can't delete msgs from any folder. If I click on the waste basket icon or , the result is the same, my system locks up for a few seconds. I do have a few unreadable addresses on my HD. I'm wondering if that could have anything to do with it? Ideas anyone? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.62/Beta1/W2K_SP2 ICQ 41116329 Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
