Re: scripts languages, was Re[4]: filter problems and questions.
Hi Krister, On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:10:09 +0200GMT (21/09/2000, 22:10 +0800GMT), Krister Ekstrom wrote: KE Hmm... Not quite sure i understood that... and why does my editor act KE up on me? Here, this message looks awfully strange... This is indeed weired; I haven't seen it before. Wild guess: an access violation not reported. This makes me guess how your screen reader works: does it get the data from the output device (screen memory) or directly from the main memory? I would think the latter, but in case it is the former, it might have a disagreement of some data integrity kind with TB's editor, which is admittedly different from other editors. Does that make any sense? -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: scripts languages, was Re[4]: filter problems and questions.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi! on Wednesday, September 20, 2000 22:28:50, our bat friend ztrader typed: z I'm not sure I understand why you are objecting to having an option z that would not affect you in any way, unless you choose to use it. But i'm not objecting to it, i just tell you why *i* feel a little sceptical, nah... hesitant to scripts. Maybe it just has to do with the fact that i'm a power user wannabe who wants to learn about programming/scripting, but don't want to do it on my own. z Regarding power and simplicity, to get a lot of programming/scriz the programmingz fact programz tz sceptical, thz nah..z But sceptical, nz i'm scepticaz not sceptz z power But i' z often requires a z bit of complexity. This complexity can be 'transparent', as it tends z to be with Visual Basic, or relatively 'opaque' as it is with many z Unix-style tools, such as RegExp's. The 'transparency' is more often a z larger problem for beginner/occasional users than the complexity. Hmm... Not quite sure i understood that... and why does my editor act up on me? Here, this message looks awfully strange... - -- /Krister email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Icq: 902032 Obtain my pgp keys by sending a mail to this address: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Send_pgp_keys Using The Bat 1.46c under Windows 98, V4 10, build A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOcoIvjg5SXqDEzkLEQLwiwCgsxFJiyY5Rru2+G3ZThcFWzZ3JW0AoOmW t3FKgupsrw07IYJpB+49sDq1 =7ljN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
scripts languages, was Re[4]: filter problems and questions.
Hello ztrader, Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 7:23:35 AM, you wrote: z I don't believe it is reasonable to expect this level of z performance with the simple filtering in TB. z But, when TB allows external filter scripts... can't wait :-). Let's hope they will never come, or if they do, that it's so simplistic that even a total idiot when it comes to programming in any shape or form like me can use it. heck i can't even make web pages without using Microsoft Frontpage... 'Nuff ranting.:-) -- Best regards, Kristermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: scripts languages, was Re[4]: filter problems and questions.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20 Sep 00, at 13:12, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Let's hope they will never come, or if they do, that it's so simplistic that even a total idiot when it comes to programming in any shape or form like me can use it. heck i can't even make web pages without using Microsoft Frontpage... 'Nuff ranting.:-) Blimey! I can't even use Front Page. Graham -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: N/A iQA/AwUBOcipcC7i2PqZ2xC9EQJl6QCgunQlqRFu32RIcFxSi56HirXBqQIAn3R+ VkhPz1+kLfLhXoj0QuLnj3aH =MsRc -END PGP SIGNATURE- PGP Keys on Keyserver Ldap://certserver.pgp.com Key ID 0x5273E2CD (RSA) Key ID 0x99DB10BD (DH/SS) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: scripts languages, was Re[4]: filter problems and questions.
On Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 4:12:35 AM, you wrote: z But, when TB allows external filter scripts... can't wait :-). KE Let's hope they will never come, or if they do, that it's so KE simplistic that even a total idiot when it comes to programming in any KE shape or form like me can use it. heck i can't even make web pages KE without using Microsoft Frontpage... 'Nuff ranting.:-) I was NOT suggesting replacing the current rules with scripting. The current rules are quite good and MUCH easier than a script. I, too, could not program the code in Spam Bouncer - I just use it. But, consider another possibility - suppose scripts were available. This list would be a perfect place to cooperatively develop some VERY effective spam filtering scripts - people could do parts and add them, updates could be done as needed, new spammer techniques could be brought up for discussion, etc. I believe all of us would benefit from this. Your thoughts? A good idea? ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: scripts languages, was Re[4]: filter problems and questions.
Hello ztrader, Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 4:57:58 PM, you wrote: z But, consider another possibility - suppose scripts were available. z This list would be a perfect place to cooperatively develop some VERY z effective spam filtering scripts - people could do parts and add them, z updates could be done as needed, new spammer techniques could be z brought up for discussion, etc. I believe all of us would benefit from z this. When you put it that way, i can agree, but the reason why i'm so sceptical about scripting is that i rely on a screen reader which presents all text to me with speech or braille, and this screen reader has at least in the past relied heavily on scripts, and do so to this day although not so heavily and although there are many tools available to help making these scripts, the syntax with its "if", "elif", "else" and so on is pretty intimidating for me and it leaves most users out in the cold, so to speak. Maybe it's ok for a screen reader that has to deal with very complex non-standard windows, controls etc, but i'd hate to se it in a good mailer like this, if the scripting language weren't made in a simple yet powerful way. -- Best regards, Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: scripts languages, was Re[4]: filter problems and questions.
On Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 9:54:42 AM, you wrote: z But, consider another possibility - suppose scripts were z available. This list would be a perfect place to cooperatively z develop some VERY effective spam filtering scripts - people could z do parts and add them, updates could be done as needed, new z spammer techniques could be brought up for discussion, etc. I z believe all of us would benefit from this. KE Maybe it's ok for a screen reader that has to deal with very KE complex non-standard windows, controls etc, but i'd hate to se it KE in a good mailer like this, if the scripting language weren't KE made in a simple yet powerful way. What I'm referring to is ONLY a filtering script, which would be completely OPTIONAL. This would not affect anything about the screen or anything else in the program, and could be ignored if you desire. In Spam Bouncer, I just copy the file and use it - I don't have to do ANYTHING to it, although there is a very small additional file that has one's account information in it. I was thinking of something similar for TB. I'm not sure I understand why you are objecting to having an option that would not affect you in any way, unless you choose to use it. Regarding power and simplicity, to get a lot of power often requires a bit of complexity. This complexity can be 'transparent', as it tends to be with Visual Basic, or relatively 'opaque' as it is with many Unix-style tools, such as RegExp's. The 'transparency' is more often a larger problem for beginner/occasional users than the complexity. ztrader -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: scripts languages, was Re[4]: filter problems and questions.
Hello Krister Ekstrom, On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:12:35 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 6:12:35 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Hello ztrader, Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 7:23:35 AM, you wrote: z I don't believe it is reasonable to expect this level of z performance with the simple filtering in TB. z But, when TB allows external filter scripts... can't wait :-). Let's hope they will never come, or if they do, that it's so simplistic that even a total idiot when it comes to programming in any shape or form like me can use it. heck i can't even make web pages without using Microsoft Frontpage... 'Nuff ranting.:-) to be honest I programmed in many language over the years even if I only do it now when really necessary. But you would find it very difficult to get me to use frontpage for a webpage... You would find it very difficult to find me make any webpage and as a matter of fact I swapped that task with a friend who is less handy in fixing computers He makes my website, I improve his system... maybe the lazy way out but he likes websites, I hate them. Also if you really have to make one bury frontpage. Its a MS dinasaur like outlook. Grab Dreamweaver if you want tplay with a webpage and read the docs. Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.47 Beta/5 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
