Re: Time zone display

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On Tue, 29 May 2001 22:02:17 -0500, Dwight contributed this to our
collective wisdom:

>> It's this problem that makes me sort the messages by received time. It's
>> superior at sorting them chronologically.

DAC> I find that I have more messages out of order this way, because of
DAC> messages which get sidetracked somewhere in someone's outbox or some
DAC> isp's server, etc. I just got a message, for example, from my
DAC> secretary about an important phone call that came to my office early
DAC> this morning, which was 13 hours before the message showed up.

YMMV on this issue.
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  Your mileage may vary. :-) Works beautifully at my end here.

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Re: Time zone display

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On Tue, 29 May 2001 22:02:17 -0500, Dwight graced us with these comments:

DAC> This is why I suggested the other day that on startup e-mail clients
DAC> should check one of those official clocks and reset the system clock.

There are freeware apps available that do this for you.

One example is the one that I use, 'Dimension 4'. You don't need to run
one of these with every start of your client unless you have an ailing
BIOS. You can get Dimension 4 at 

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Re: Time zone display

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On Tue, 29 May 2001 21:08:41 -0700, Nick thoughtfully wrote the following:

NA> Allie, what Macro can I use in my Reply templates so that I show the
NA> time that is within parentheses... the actual time the message was
NA> sent in the Senders time zone. I currently use %OTIMELONG but of
NA> course that just reflects the time corrected for my time zone.

That would be :

%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPMATCH="%HEADERS"

This will output the day and time which is probably best because if you
simply extract the time and use a TB! macro for the day, the day will be
corrected to your time zone and would be incorrect in some instances when
combined with the original time taken straight from the headers.

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Re: Time zone display

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On Tue, 29 May 2001 21:52:04 -0700, Nick wrote these comments:

NA> Is there any way to edit the Regex so that the output will be like
NA> either of the following:

NA> Tuesday, 29 May 2001, at 22:16:14 EDT

NA> Tuesday, 29 May 2001, at 10:16 PM

That's a complicated process that would require a conditional expression
for each day of the week. I wouldn't know where to start or if it can
practicably be done.

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Re: PGP 7.x.x?

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On Thu, 31 May 2001 00:18:04 +0100, Jan wrote these comments:

JK> okay, that works really. But it's boring to choose the recipents every
JK> time manually, the plugin does ist by itself (if I wrote a mail to
JK> [EMAIL PROTECTED], it was encrypted automatically to [EMAIL PROTECTED]). So I was
JK> wondering, if there is a way to get it work with 7.x.x or if there
JK> will be a plugin in the future :-)

Apparently NAI are yet to release the necessary source required to create
the plugin. Until then, we'll not be seeing one.

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Re: Size of the message

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On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 03:05:35 +0200, Lija contributed this to our collective
wisdom:

L>  Why are *always* size of the messages displayed incorrectly?

L>  E.g. take a look at my previous message "Non-deleted subdirectories". I, in
L>  my viewer, see 1089 B, when look all with kludges (Ctrl-Shift-K), there are
L>  2380 bytes, and I see in message list 2366??

L>  Where did this difference come from? The _whole_ 14 bytes. :)

I don't know. Makes me wonder if bytes are added as a result of message
base formatting.

The size seen in the header pane seems to be calculated from the text
being displayed. There's probably more in the source text..

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Re: alarm on responses to mail sent out.

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On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 11:43:12 -0700, Joseph thoughtfully wrote the
following:

JM> It would be nice if I could get an audible alarm everytime I got a
JM> piece of mail that was a response to a piece of mail that I sent out.

JM> Is this doable?

Yes, it's doable provided the client of the person sending the response
supports providing reference headers. Since TB! does this, I enjoy doing a
similar thing in that I colour code replies to my messages.

The way to do it is this is to have the filter rule look for and examine
the 'In-Reply-To:' header field, looking for messages with your e-mail
addresses domain. Of course, a pitfall here is that if you're a member of
a discussion list, for example TBUDL, and someone else using an e-mail
address with the same domain as your e-mail address gets a reply to one of
his messages. His message reply will also trigger your filter. So if you have
a unique domain name (like me ) then you're in business. However, if
you have a commonly used domain name then creating this filter may produce
'false alarms'.

The following filter should be one of the first in your filter list. In so
doing, all messages are checked by it.

Source: Inbox

Destination Folder: Inbox

String: ^in-reply-to.+@vpop\.net>$

Location: Kludges

Presence: Yes

Action: Play Sound (make your configuration changes as needed)

Options: Continue Processing with other filters (enable)
 Regular Expression (enable)

JM> Also, I notice sometimes when I am in thread mode, that certain
JM> messages don't get marked as "read", even if I select all messages in
JM> the folder and click "mark read".  Has anyone else seen this?

The only way to select all messages in threaded mode is to fully expand
the threads. So you should do the following on the message list:

Hit Ctrl-*, then Ctrl-A, then Ctrl-M.

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Re: ALT+L

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On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:35:10 -0400, Miles graced us with these comments:

MJ> Yes. This "feature" is really annoying and is probably affecting the
MJ> vast majority of TB users, EXCEPT the gentle "computer code meisters" on
MJ> this list who evidently do understand and use these myriads of
MJ> unfriendly "regex," templates-in-dire-need-of-plain-English-translation
MJ> (read "wizard" that would guide the user to making PROPER decisions in
MJ> using the software) and other bizarroid things and are willing to help
MJ> us poor humans.

MJ> Yes, TB seems very powerful, but what's the point if we can't use that
MJ> power? 

ROTFL!!!

But at least understanding the method behind the apparent madness helps.

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Re: ALT+L

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On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 02:08:51 +0800, Thomas thoughtfully wrote the
following:

CB>>  What about adding a new Macro, ie. %WrapAll="%Quotes" ??

T> I think the %Wrapped macro should wrap all. What is the purpose of
T> wrapping only the first paragraph? I think it was an just oversight
T> when the macro was created.

This is because of the design of the editor.

The reason why you can't reformat multiple paragraphs *at the same time*
while editing a message, is the same reason why you cannot do it with the
macro. Remember that it's the same editor's functionality that's being
invoked through the macro. This editor doesn't use soft returns *at all*.
Therefore, the only way to differentiate between two paragraphs is the
separation of the paragraphs by a blank line when doing reformats. If you
select all paragraphs *together* then the all paragraphs will be wrapped
into one huge paragraph. If you take this away, then you have to take away
the editors ability to reflow quoted material the way it does.

You may ask then, what's the use of the macro? Well, it's exceedingly
useful for wrapping text output comprising a single paragraph/line of text
such as introductions, disclaimers, cookies, etc.

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Re: only body text?

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On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 17:50:15 +0700, Jos graced us with these comments:

JF> How do I set up the template so that I get the normal > without a
JF> name?

You can do it at the account level by going into the account properties
and going to the templates tab. Hit the reply template and you'll see the
choice of reply prefixes that you can use.

At the folder or address book template level you can disable the name
using the macro %Quotestyle="NONE".

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Re: getting rid of the first blrub in subject lines from mailing lists

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On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 23:22:01 +0100, andrew graced us with these comments:

a> While there I found that really useful script for stripping pgp sigs
a> and yahoo sigs from your mails. I'm sorry but I've reached my
a> programming limit (actually that probably happened as soon as i sat
a> down). The script works perfectly I just used it to reply to your mail
a> and it's automatically stripped out your sig, pgp and list details
a> which is sooo helpful (not that your sig isn't wonderful, you
a> understand).

a> But I subscribe to Yahoo! groups and wanted to get rid of their little
a> blurb - i thought this script could do this?

The regex macro will not help because it will only process mail that is
already received for replies, forwarding etc.

What you wish to do is edit the headers of incoming messages. The only way
you'd be able to do this is to run an external program. A local POP server
with filtering abilities would do it. My local POP server gives me this
ability so I can do exactly what you wish with my setup by setting up a
filter.

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Re: filter trouble - again

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On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 20:01:21 +0200, Roman contributed this to our
collective wisdom:

R> I have set up some filters that are supposed to delete mail from the
R> server (the default is to leave mails on the server for 5 days). Now
R> the filters I had set up first will delete the mail from the server as
R> desired, but two new filters just won't do that. Have I overlooked
R> anything? I checked the "delete mail from server" box and the mail is
R> still on there after mail retrieval. The mail does get sorted into its
R> mailbox properly by the same rule, so there really is no reason why it
R> shouldn't delete it aswell.

Are you aware that the filter action to delete the message from the server
isn't immediately executed and is actually carried out during the next
mail check?

IOW's, do another mail check and then recheck the server to see if the
messages have been deleted.



Also, please avoid starting a new topic by replying to a message. A lot of
us thread our messages and your message will be inappropriately associated
with the message which you replied to when it's really not intended as a
reply. This makes you run the risk of some helpful members uninterested in
the thread your message ends up not reading your message. Not to mention
the fact that it messes up the content of threads. :-)

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Re: filter trouble - again

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On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 12:50:15 +0200, Roman graced us with these comments:

R> What makes me wonder is why the filters previously workes. Now all my
R> filters that have "delete" in them won't do that.

Interesting. Something else is amiss then and I'm not sure what. :-(

TB! normally keeps track of what is downloaded and marks them for deletion
upon the next mail check. Are you having premature disconnections when
checking mail. This could cause the problem.

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Re: filter trouble - again

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On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 15:49:50 +0200, Roman graced us with these comments:

R> I don't - the account in question is on my LAN and I have a pretty
R> stable connection. This is so weird - now when I look into my mail
R> account with pine it is cluttered with all kinds of crap whereas before
R> it would be cleaned of all server messages and spam TB had it's hands
R> on. I'm not sure what I changed to make this happen (or if I changed
R> anything at all).

It'd be a good idea to go through your settings again. I've heard
testimony of spontaneous setting changes in the past. :-/

R> On a different note: any idea when TB 2.0 will be out?

That's one of the great mysteries. :-)

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Re: The cut line

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On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 18:42:29 -0700, Nick thoughtfully wrote the following:
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NA> Alright, I give up... Why would anyone want to put a delimiter in the
NA> middle of a message? I don't understand the whole point of this
NA> argument... I've never seen a delimiter used in this manner, and it
NA> befuddles me to understand why. :o(

One example would be the quoting of what someone wrote in message and
including the persons signature in the quote.

Another situation is when reading message digests like from TBUDL.

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Re: The Bat! - suggestions - Sharing the filters

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On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 00:19:32 +0200, ANT-ilic contributed this to our
collective wisdom:
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R>> Another feature could be where a single 'account' can check multiple
R>> 'pop'. I have a few web based mail accounts which allow for pop access
R>> and also subscribe for multiple newsletters. If I could use a single
R>> account to check for all these accounts, I could reduce the number of
R>> accounts - making he display more pleasing.

Ai> Did you tried to filter all messages to a single account's inbox?

Ai> It should do what you asked for...

Another way would be to use one of those freeware POP servers. Install it.
Create a local POP account, configure it to download mail from all those
remote POP accounts. Finally set up TB! to download mail from the local
POP account ... POP server - localhost, password - the one you configured.

Two freeware apps that come to mind include Mercury/32 and the other is
Hamster. Mercury is better since it has better documentation. It has a
relatively small memory footprint. See:

http://www.pmail.com/overviews/ovw_mercwin.htm

If you use multiple POP accounts then you may also have problems with
sending messages using a single ISP SMTP server. Mercury will help you
here as well since it comes packaged with a fully functional SMTP server
module.


There are two disadvantages with filtering from one account to another.
One is that you'd have to still create accounts for each remote POP
account. The other is that the only way to filter to another account and
use the main accounts filters is to redirect the messages to the main
account. This will lead to message header adjustments. To prevent this
you'd have to create filters for each account and do the filtering from
each account directly to the main accounts folders.

Using a local POP server will prevent your having to create multiple
accounts in TB!. You'll have no problems with filtering and the messages
will be unaltered.

Be that as it may, the enigmatic version 2 of TB! is slated to have
multiple POP server support per account.

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Re: Flagging folders containing flagged messages

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DAC> While checking my TBUDL mail just now, I noticed that I had flagged a
DAC> message containing how to information because when I have some extra
DAC> time I want to go back and use that information to fiddle with some
DAC> templates.  I realized that because I usually review my messages
DAC> based upon creation time, quite likely that flag will sink toward the
DAC> bottom and I will never see it again by the time I have the time to
DAC> need the reminder.

The advanced filtering may help in this regard. You can set TB! to display
only flagged messages.

Another tool is alt+left clicking  on items in the message list. This will
lead to only entries with what you alt+clicked on will be displayed. So
you could alt+click on the flag of a flagged message and only flagged
messages will be displayed. This display will lock across folders so you
could then move to other folders which in turn will display only flagged
messages. You switch back to the complete list by hitting the escape key.

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Re: Flagging folders containing flagged messages

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On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:40:17 +0800, Thomas graced us with these comments:
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ACM>> Another tool is alt+left clicking  on items in the message list.

TF> This won't work. If you have a hundred folders, you you would have to
TF> to click on each one of them to see whether there are any flagged
TF> messages.

How about parked messages then or ones you've specially colour labelled?

If you forgot where the message is, this is where the search can also come
in. It will search in a folder, in a folder and it's sub-folders, a whole
account or all accounts. In the advanced tab of the search utility, you
can toggle on 'message is flagged' and it will search for only flagged
messages.

There are ways to deal with the problem without adding folder markers.

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Re: yelp! Can't see mail receiving and delivery any more in 1.52f

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On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:02:22 +0800, Thomas wrote these comments:
...
TF> I hope I'm not breaking any rules by recommending a Release Candidate
TF> on this list. I will also not take any responsibility if there is a
TF> bug that I don't know about, and that deletes your messages bases,
TF> crashes your hard disk, freezes your microwave oven, or puts dirty
TF> socks on your keyboard. Or take any resposnsibility whatsoever, for
TF> that matter. It's officially still a beta. And I will log off now
TF> anyway. ;-)



No, you're not breaking a list rule by mentioning the existence of betas
or RC's. :-))

We just don't encourage discussing bugs associated with them on TBUDL or
offering information on functionality that's only confined to beta's or
RC's on TBUDL without categorically stating so. We're just trying not to
create confusion as has happened in the past. Members will start thinking
that a bug/feature that's really in a beta is in the official release and
threads will develop into sub-threads dedicated to clarifying this sort of
confusion that may arise.

However, you're little mentioning of the latest RC of v1.53 was well
worded and perfectly welcome on this list.

Also fellow members ...

Just remember that if you choose to use this or any future RC's or betas,
which you're welcome to do, send all queries directly to Ritlabs; or even
better, join the TBBETA list where you can discuss issues that concern you
with other users and even the developers (they read and sometimes take
part in the discussions there).

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Re: Flagging folders containing flagged messages

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On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:10:49 +0800, Thomas thoughtfully wrote the
following:
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ACM>> If you forgot where the message is, this is where the search can
ACM>> also come in.

TF> Yes, but: I just want to have an in-the-face indicator of flagged
TF> messages. That's all. ;-)

Yeah, OK. I know. :-))

Just giving an opposing view, not really with the hope to convert (though
if that happened it would be a nice bonus ), but just to let it be
known.

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Re: yelp! Can't see mail receiving and delivery any more in 1.52f

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On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:42:26 +0200, Ottar graced us with these comments:
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ACM>> However, you're little mentioning of the latest RC of v1.53 was well
ACM>> worded and perfectly welcome on this list.

OG>   And where is it found? I find no beta-page on the RITLABS site.

You can get it here:

http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

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Re: opening attachments with associated applications

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On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:29:22 -0500, rainmakr contributed this to our
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rec> Can The Bat! be configured to open attachments (specifically GIF, JPG,
rec> & TIFs) with the associated application?  Every time I double-click an
rec> attachment, it opens in MS Picture Viewer rather than the associated
rec> Fireworks.  I've double and triple-checked my associations and all
rec> appears correct.  It's a pain to save the attachments only to open
rec> them with a different app.

Look at the menu option  Option/Use external image viewer to open
attached images. Be sure that it's toggled on.

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The Bat! v1.53 now released.

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RAS connection data on startup
[-] Last account's log records could be viewed even when account was locked with a 
password
[-] Problems with adding to address book
[-] The "Delete Task" button in the Connection Centre was not working properly.
[-] Folder with the next/previous unread message was unnecessary expanded.
[-] "Save message as" bug when a file with the same name already exists.
[-] Undo bug in the editor when two line blocks were consequently deleted.
[-] If a message did not have recipients, The Bat! tried to send it anyway.
[-] Bug with disappearing the TO field in a separate message viewer.
[-] Deleting the account with only unread messages shown on MailTicker caused 
MailTicker to stay with "0
new messages" instead of hiding accordingly to its settings.
[-] Some bugs with moving between unread messages.
[-] Bug with Source Viewer window size/position.
[-] Undo history was cleared after auto-save in the message editor.
[-] Fixed Access Violation when importing a PGP secret key without a public part.
[-] When importing messages to an empty (and compressed) folder, the number of 
converted messages was
shown one message less. Although, all messages were indeed imported.
[-] The %LANGUAGE="ID" macro made The Bat! hang.
[-] TB! does not try to get unique cookies (if multiple cookies are used) for one 
template anymore.
[-] A wrong pane was focused at start-up and folder view.
[-] When a long cookie is present a file, the entire file could be inserted instead of 
a single cookie.
[-] Big message notifications were received many times (introduced in 1.52)
[-] Bug with finding next/previous unread when no folder is selected.
[-] Address Book window columns were not remembered (bug introduced in 1.53 Beta/3).
[-] System Hot Keys and Editor preferences weren't backed up/restored.
[-] Some cosmetic fixes in message list view do display the focus-rectangle better.
[-] Fixed problems of not compressing mail folders/storing configuration when The Bat! 
was quitting on
system shutdown.
[-] Fixed bugs when address book did not get updated when new addresses are added.
[-] Fixed some memory and resource leaks.
[-] When a mailto URL did not contain an address, all parameters were used as the 
destination address.
[-] It was possible to send attachments from a user account where attachments were 
disabled.
[-] S/MIME signing certificates weren't verified at each signature generation.
[-] Regular expressions were not always working in kill filters.


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Re: opening attachments with associated applications

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On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:00:20 -0500, John graced us with these comments:
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JE> Thanks.  Yes, "External Image Viewer" is toggled on.  If I
JE> double-click a GIF in Explorer, it opens with Fireworks.  If I
JE> double-click on a GIF in TB!, it opens with MS Picture Viewer.

This still sounds like a Windows problem since TB!, AFAIK, simply takes
the association from Windows and uses it. TB! opens ACDSee as it should
for me.

What flavour of Windows are you using? Indicating this information very
briefly in your signature can be very helpful.

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Re: Noticable Folder Slowdown.

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MRH> Too offer my perspective on your observation, I have tended to find
MRH> the versions of TB! that have been released since the 1.4x series to
MRH> be a lot quicker at folder access.  I have around 67,000 messages in
MRH> the account as a whole with my largest folder accounting for just
MRH> over 20,000 of those.  The whole account message base has a file size
MRH> of 451MB and when I access the biggest folder it takes an average of
MRH> 7 seconds to display the contents.  My PC has similar hardware to you
MRH> (PIII 550) but with more memory so maybe that helps some.

MRH> Most of my folders (those with 6000 messages or less) tend to be
MRH> accessible in just 2-3 seconds or less.  Mostly, the access seems
MRH> instantaneous for any folder with <2000 messages in.

MRH> I could probably do some good by purging and compressing myself
MRH> (haven't done that in a while) but overall I'd say TB! was coping
MRH> admirably.

MRH> I don't know if any of the above is helpful but it should provide a
MRH> counter view perhaps.

Processor speed and memory have been mentioned but nothing about  hard
disk performance when this could be significantly different between both
your systems. When I upgraded my hard disk to a much faster one, there was
dramatic improvement in how quickly TB! handled large message bases. I
don't really see a significant pause in the speed of folders being opened
until I exceed approximately 6000 messages in a folder where the access
time reaches about 2 seconds. With my old hard disk, it was tedious to
work with a folder containing such a large message base.

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Re: The Bat! v1.53 now released.

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On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:04:31 +0200, Peter contributed this to our
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...
ACM>> I thought I'd let you all know, since it was announced on TBBETA,
ACM>> that v1.53 of The Bat! was just released today. It's highly
ACM>> recommended since it includes some important and useful new
ACM>> enhancements as well as many bug fixes.

PM> Thanks Allie, it works quite fine here! :o))

I'm not the type to advise quick updates but this is one of them:

An important fix has also been released. It fixes a few bugs that most are
bound to encounter and it also packs an important enhancement to address
the deletion of auto-saved versions of cancelled messages:

[*] Prompt to keep the message when a new message was automatically saved
and then abandoned

[-] Bug when sending messages right from the editor when Autosave is
switched on (in versions before 1.52 it was producing additional drafts in
the Outbox folder)

[-] Right mouse button click on a filter was not selecting the clicked
filter

[-] Sending messages from all accounts did not bring the Connection Centre
in front

[-] The "Modified" indicator works better than in 1.53

You can download the update here:

  http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html

It's just an update of the executable (v1.53bis). So, after shutting down
TB!, simply decompress the archive directly into your TB! installation
directory, overwriting the older executable.

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Re: Sending message w/attachment

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On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:57:55 -0700, Melissa wrote these words of wisdom:

...
M> A strange thing just happened.  So strange, that I'm not even sure what
M> it is...

M> Someone asked me to send her a file (she may even be reading this - hi!).
M> The file was 3.7 MB in size. When I sent it, everything looked normal. The
M> progress bar in Connection Centre filled up steadily until it reached
M> 100%. CC went away.  But then...

M> Though there's a copy of the message (minus attachment) in the "Sent"
M> folder, the message editor window never went away (message text *and*
M> attachment still visible), and it still seems to be sitting in the
M> "Outbox" as well. So - did I successfully send the mail/attachment or did
M> I not? I didn't see any indication of a sent mail when I looked in the
M> "Account Log".

M> This seems like very strange behavior. Any ideas?

This is a known bug in v1.53 and has been fixed in the v1.53bis update
version that I mentioned earlier in another post.

and yes, your message was sent. :-)

I was caught by it once and ended up sending the message twice.

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Re: TB 2.0 Release?

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On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:29:54 +0900, Robert contributed this to our
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RK> I previously inquired about sending and receiving Japanese using TB and was
RK> told that function will be included in Version 2.0 (At least double byte
RK> capabilities) I suppose I will have to wait and continue using my Eudora J
RK> and Eudora E but I am wondering how long I will have to wait? When will
RK> Version 2 be released?

We don't know. Ritlabs hasn't given any recent information on this. :-(

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Re: Sending message w/attachment

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On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:31:33 -0700, Nick wrote these comments:
...
>> I was caught by it once and ended up sending the message twice.

NA> Yes, but why didn't the attachment show up in her Sent Items Folder? It
NA> should have shown up there, as all attachments I send show up.

That's true. Beats me. It could be part and parcel of the buggy behaviour.

I wouldn't send the message again unless the recipient confirms no
receipt, especially since TB! took the expected time to post the message,
progress meter and all...

I would surmise that she's using the auto-save option and this would
explain the persistence of a copy of the message in the outbox, another
manifestation of the bug.

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Re: strange (at least to me) behavior on sending to outbox

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On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:49:07 +0800, Thomas contributed this to our
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NA>> It does if you wanted the message saved, instead of being sent.

TF> No. If you wanted to save it as draft, you would have clicked the icon
TF> "save draft" and not "put letter in outbox".

TF> I am greatly annoyed by this additional unwanted and unnecessary
TF> query.

Which additional query is that?

Auto-save creates a current draft of the message being edited at the
specified time interval. If you have 'immediate delivery' enabled and
choose to send, the message is simply sent and the draft deleted. If you
wish to cancel the message, then a popup appears asking if you wish to
delete the draft as well. This is new and appreciated since I hated having
to go and manually delete the draft.

The problem now seems to be with deferred deliveries. There are two ways
of deferring. You could hit Shift+F2 which works just fine, i.e., the
message is placed in the outbox and drafts removed, no prompts appearing.
However, if you use CTRL+Enter, pop-ups appear asking questions about
saving. Very inappropriate and buggy. This behaviour appeared after the
implemented wish that CTRL+Enter be made to obey the mode of delivery
defined in the account options. In fact, I didn't wish to save the message
but send it, so I said no to both queries and the message was deleted and
*not sent*!!

In TB! *save* and *save as draft* seem pretty synonymous. If I use CTRL+S
(save), the message is saved as a draft. Again confusing.

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Re: The Bat! v1.53 now released.

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>> [*] Prompt to keep the message when a new message was automatically
>> saved and then abandoned

DH> This definitely works. But why on earth does + trigger
DH> it? This shortcut should send my message instead of asking to save it.

I fully agree.

CTRL+Enter was recently made to obey the delivery settings in the account
options. This probably started at that point. I deliver messages
immediately so upon hitting CTRL+Enter, I get no prompts. Shift+F2,
doesn't generate the prompts either.

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Re: The Bat! v1.53 now released.

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On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:05:05 +0200, Dierk thoughtfully wrote the
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DH> 1. The behaviour started with 1.53bis, definitely on my machine that
DH> is.

DH> 2. I use two accounts extensively, both with the same settings as far
DH> as this bug is concerned (deferred and auto-save at 10 sec).

DH> 3. I got hit regularly on the account I currently use (this one), only
DH> it hits every second or third trial (much more every second).

DH> 4. A few minutes ago I wrote half a dozen complex and long mails in
DH> the other account, and I could send with no problem.

The queries appear only when you try to send the message in a modified
state. Since you auto-save every ten seconds, it's more likely that the
message was auto-saved before you hit CTRL+Enter.

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Re: And another one for Auto-Save

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On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:11:33 +0200, Dierk thoughtfully wrote the
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DH>   I just opened the message editor to reply to a mail from Allie, but
DH>   then decided I leave it. Without anything done in the message I
DH>   cancelled it. When I - now a a regular habit! - had a look into my
DH>   Outbox, there sat a drafted message to Allie on the list. It was a
DH>   version of the message I didn't write.

Firstly, you must have modified the message in some way for a draft to be
saved. I have never been able to get an autosave done on a message that
has never been modified.

The next thing is that it's strange that the prompt to delete the draft
didn't appear upon cancelling the message. The prompt didn't appear for
me.

Just now, I hit cancel for this message and the prompts appeared!! Go
figure. It makes me wonder if the prompts to save appear after a certain
number of autosaves. 

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Re: And another one for Auto-Save

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On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:40:33 -0500, Allie contributed this to our
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ACM> Just now, I hit cancel for this message and the prompts appeared!! Go
ACM> figure. It makes me wonder if the prompts to save appear after a certain
ACM> number of autosaves. 

To answer myself:

The prompts appear upon cancelling the message, *only* when the message is
in a modified state.

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Re: Unhappy with

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On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 18:36:03 -0700, syv contributed this to our collective
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s>  2. When using Special > Add sender to addressbook, it opens a window
s>  to edit the person. I am not interested in editing the person. I just
s>  want them added to the default addressbook. I do that 20 / 30 times a
s>  day...

You could enjoy the best of both worlds by setting up a filter, assigning
a hotkey to it. Make it manual only, with the action being to add senders
address to the address book. Whenever you wish to quickly add an address,
just select the address and hit the hotkey. If you wish to add an address
and modify the entry then use the current TB! method.

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Re: Strange haeders (was Re[2]: How to download old/read messages from the server ?)

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On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:32:20 +0200, David thoughtfully wrote the
following:
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DvZ> Ok I disabled that quick template for now and I didn't alter the
DvZ> subjectline. BTW I use this regex for stripping the subject header:

DvZ> [oneline]
DvZ> %Subject="Re: %SetPattRegExp=""(?i)\A\:?((\s*(re|aw|ha|rcpt|fw|fwd|forw|
DvZ> antwort)(\[\d*\])?:\s*)*)(\s*)(.*?)(\s*\z)""%RegExpBlindMatch=""%OSubj""
DvZ> %SubPatt=""6"""
DvZ> [/oneline]

Your subject is still gibberish in the headers.

Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IKCgU3RyYW5nZSBoYWVkZXJzICh3YXMgUmVbMl06IKCgSG93IHRv?=
=?ISO-8859-1?B?IGRvd25sb2FkIG9sZC9yZWFkIG1lc3NhZ2VzIGZyb20gdGhlIHNlcnZl?=
=?ISO-8859-1?B?ciA/KQ==?=

I wonder how TB! translates it to the subject seen in the pane header and
message list?

It would also appear that this translations isn't done when threading by
subject and this is why your messages aren't threaded with the others.

PS// Since I'm replying to your message, my subject headers will look like
yours.

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Re: Breaking down email messages

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On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:44:48 +0100, William thoughtfully wrote the
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WM>   My partner (she's a Doctoral research student) sometimes needs to
WM>   send large PDF documents as email attachments to colleagues. In my
WM>   naivity I asked my ISP (BT Internet) if there was a message size
WM>   limit. After telling them I used TB! they gave me instructions for
WM>   Outlook Express (sorry for the profanity). Can I ask here If this is
WM>   possible (or necessary) in TB! They didn't say they had a limit but
WM>   suggested 250kb chunks.

Yes, TB! will send large attachments. Using Winzip to compress the PDF
file before sending would help save a lot on size to transfer. If the
recipient can't handle the zipped archive then she'll just have to send it
as is.

TB! has no problem with sending multiple megabyte attachments. However,
you have to ensure that the recipient has a POP account large enough to
accept the attachment you wish to send. Also, some ISP's place a limit on
the size message that their SMTP server will accept for transfer. I'm
quite sure this isn't 250KB though. :-)

If you need to send the file in chunks you can get a freeware file
splitter and split the file up in increments or you could use Winzip to
create incremented archives (I'm not absolutely sure that Winzip will do
this since I use 'WinRAR'). I doubt that you'll have to resort to this
though. About what size attachment are we dealing with here?

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Re: Strange haeders (was Re[2]: How to download old/read messages from the server ?)

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On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:12:46 -0700, Nick graced us with these comments:
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>> I wonder how TB! translates it to the subject seen in the pane header
>> and message list?

NA> One thing I notice Allie, is the everyone who replies to David's postings
NA> have a space added after the Re: but *only* with David's messages. I also
NA> notice that once he stopped using his QT, his messages are beginning to
NA> thread properly for those of us who thread by Subject. :o)

Ok. I had a look at the regex macro in his QT. I see that he has a space
that shouldn't be there.

His regex macro reads :

%Subject="Re: %SetPattRegExp=""(?i)\A\:?((\s*(re|aw|...
 ^
 note the space here.

When it should read:

%Subject="Re:%SetPattRegExp=""(?i)\A\:?((\s*(re|aw|

For some reason these regexs generate an extra space so I don't put a
space in front of them when using them. My personal subject cleaning regex
macro doesn't contain the space either and yet a space appears after the
'Re:' when the subject is generated. I think this is the likely source of
the problem and if he removes the space he should be able to use the QT
without problems. Why the extra space doesn't show up in *his* subject is
interesting.

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Re: threads again

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On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:22:00 -0700, Nick graced us with these comments:
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>> well it was but then when i saw what it looked like I went back to
>> thread by subject because it was actually easier to read. ;-)

NA> No kidding! I had the exact same reaction when I first tried threading
NA> by Reference. I got tired of hitting all those + signs. If TB could
NA> thread like Agent, then I would convert without question, but as it
NA> stands, I'm happy to suffer through Subject threading. ;o)

When reading new mail in a list threaded by reference, you have to use the
'move to next unread message' keys. It will drill down into the threads
and subthreads to find the unread messages automatically. If you manually
expand the threads to find the unread ones then you'll have a massive
headache in no time. :-)

The recently implemented back browse shortcuts also help to navigate to
previously read messages in the session.

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Re: threads again

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On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:31:29 -0400, Jan wrote these words of wisdom:

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Allie>> When reading new mail in a list threaded by reference, you have to
Allie>> use the 'move to next unread message' keys. [...]

Allie>> The recently implemented back browse shortcuts also help to navigate to
Allie>> previously read messages in the session.

JR>   Where's a list of all these wonderful keys?

Open a view folder window (for the newbies: double click on any message)
and look at the Navigation menu. All the options are there with their
respective shortcuts.

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Re: Draft Box (Was :- Re[2]: Send mail/Query bug)

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:57:31 +0200, Maurice wrote these comments:
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MS> I'd like to second the request for a Drafts box. And while we're at
MS> it, It would be nice if any subfolders one creates under the 'Sent'
MS> folder, would behave the same like having a header 'Saved' instead of
MS> 'Received'.

I just checked and as I suspected, the saved time is identical to the
creation time. You can therefore use the creation time column in the
sub-folders.

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Re: Strange headers

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:48:08 +0200, David wrote these words of wisdom:

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DvZ> Thanks. I removed the space between Re: and %SetPattRegExp of my
DvZ> reply template. Let's see if this helps. :-)

Well, there's no extra space in my reply to your message. :-)

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Re: Draft Box (Was :- Re[2]: Send mail/Query bug)

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On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:54:39 -0700, Nick contributed this to our
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>> I'd like to second the request for a Drafts box. And while we're at it,
>> It would be nice if any subfolders one creates under the 'Sent' folder,
>> would behave the same like having a header 'Saved' instead of
>> 'Received'.

NA> I'm not sure if this would be of any help, but you can do away with the
NA> "Received" column, and change it to "Saved" just by right clicking on the
NA> Message List Colums under the Sent Folder, and choosing at will. :o)

You won't have a saved column available to you in the case of subfolders
to the Sent folder.

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Re: Sorting filters

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:08:36 +1200, Carren graced us with these comments:
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CS>   I must be thick but I am getting confused! Are there two new
CS>   versions of TB?  V.1.53 and V.1.53bis? Are they both the same or is
CS>   the bis version a quick update of the other? I have currently
CS>   installed V.1.53bis and since upgrading, my sorting filters are not
CS>   working. I have TBUDL mail set to go to a TUBDL folder after reading
CS>   and one or two others set up in similar fashion. None of them are
CS>   working now. The mail stays in the "In" box and I have to move it
CS>   manually.I have reset all the filters and still no luck. What am I
CS>   doing wrong?

I'd recheck the destination folders. Sometimes, those are changed for some
unknown reason. Otherwise, recreating them usually solves the problem.

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Re: Connection Centre ?!?

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:51:53 +0200, Ralph wrote these words of wisdom:

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RR> I am sorry, but I never saw the Connection Centre window since I have
RR> updated my TB! from 1.51 to 1.53bis. I can't see what TB! is doing
RR> during DialUp, reveive, send, and so on. I also did not find any
RR> switch to turn on/off the Connection Centre.

RR> Whats wrong here?!?

Go to Options/Preferences. The display connection center options are there
at the bottom. You can set it to automatically.

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:27:37 +0530, Raj wrote these comments:
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>> You can create more AdressBooks now and in Account Setting set one of
>> them as default - all accounts of "Administrator" type see all these
>> AddresBooks under F8.,

R> Where is the settings in Account ?? Sorry not been able to locate this.

Under the 'general' section. It's the second to last option from the
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Re: AB pecularities

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:51:50 +0200, Dierk wrote these words of wisdom:

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DH>   Today I had a major re-work of my AB(s). I created some new, and
DH>   moving some entries. during this operations I saw some pecularities
DH>   (actually bugs):

DH>   1. The Help button on the AB properties pane reads "bHelp".

I don't see this.

DH>   2. When I tried to go to a web page from the Business tab in the
DH>   properties of an entry, I reached the first one. That is, it opened
DH>   my browser (opera 5.11) and went to the site. Trying to open a
DH>   second site this way ("Go") resulted in not opening the site (nor
DH>   even a new window in Opera). On top of that TB!'s open windows were
DH>   not accessible anymore, it hung, but didn't crash.

The 'Go' links again work fine for me. This is with multiple retries and
adding business links just to check.

DH>   3. When I tried to copy an entry from a group to the AB root of the
DH>   same group, it was not shown, but from my New Mail Favourites menu I
DH>   could tell that it must have been added. even a shut down and new
DH>   start did not change this.

Could this have to do with the 'hide items if not explicitly selected'
option in the address book groups properties?

Testing done with both TB! v1.53bis and SecureBat! v1.53

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Re: AB pecularities

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:28:22 +0200, Dierk contributed this to our
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>> I don't see this.

DH> I'll send you a JPEG off list.

I got the jpeg and no, I still don't see what you're referring to. :-(

Be that as it may, I don't see anything else to blame but TB! for what I'm
seeing there.

DH> To clear this up a bit: I opened the properties of an entry, clicked
DH> on the "Go" button. Opera starts up, the page is loaded. While this is
DH> still open, I open the properties of another entry, and hit the "Go"
DH> button. Now no new window in Opera is opened and no page loaded.

I did exactly what you did with about 5 entries and Netcaptor Pro handled
it just fine. Each page is opened one after the other as they should.

What's been happening to me and I don't know why is that when I hit a
mailto: link in Netcaptor Pro or an IE5.5 window (it really shouldn't
matter which since Netcaptor Pro is like an IE5.5 shell), a loop of some
sort develops where multiple IE windows appear one after the other, over
and over again. I cannot stop it until it 'burns itself out' and there are
now over 50 IE windows open on the desktop. I then kill IE via the
taskbar. TB! is never invoked during this process.

DH> Well, I changed all properties to un-hide and did my copying again.
DH> Now it worked. The strange part is that other entries could be copied
DH> or moved with no difficulties ...

DH> And is it OK that during a copying/moving operation of one entry it
DH> inherits the properties of the group even when it gets copied
DH> somewhere were this properties don't make sense (from group to root)?

What group properties are you referring to that don't make sense?

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Re: AB pecularities

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:19:33 -0500, Allie graced us with these comments:
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DH>> I'll send you a JPEG off list.

ACM> I got the jpeg and no, I still don't see what you're referring to.
ACM> :-(

ACM> Be that as it may, I don't see anything else to blame but TB! for
ACM> what I'm seeing there.
  ^^^
  that should be a 'you're. and not 'I'm'. Sorry for the typo.

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ACM>> You  could  enjoy the best of both worlds by setting up a filter,
ACM>> assigning  a  hotkey  to it. Make it manual only, with the action
ACM>> being  to  add  senders address to the address book. Whenever you
ACM>> wish  to  quickly add an address, just select the address and hit
ACM>> the  hotkey.  If  you wish to add an address and modify the entry
ACM>> then use the current TB! method.

CB> Ive tried, but nothing happends when I hit the hotkey.

I have one for adding addresses to my TBUDL group.

Source: Inbox
Destination Folder: Inbox
Filtering Strings: 
Rule is - Both "active" and "manual only" enabled
Actions: Add to address book
 Item: Sender (from)
 Add to groups: tbudl

 Play a sound (added for reassurance)

Options: Execute this action set of this rule by pressing the Hot-Key
 
 Check the selected message against this rule - disabled.

That setup works just fine, no matter in which filter rule group you
create the filter.

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Re: "bHelp"

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 12:59:24 -0700, Nick wrote these comments:
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NA> Dierk, the "bHelp" is present only on 1.53bis, and only if you check
NA> the Properties of "TB Adress Book". Any of the other AB's do not have
NA> that imperfection. In addition, SecureBat 1.53 does not show it
NA> either, which is probably why Allie couldn't see it. Looks like it
NA> only showed up with the "bis" versions.

I did check using both the TB! v1.53bis and SecureBat! (I indicated this
in my message).

You mentioned the TB Address Book. Which address book is that?

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Re: "bHelp"

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:39:24 -0700, Nick wrote these comments:
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NA> When I open the Address Book, there is one main Listing... called "TB
NA> Address BooK", with all my other Address Books listed as kind of sub
NA> folders of the main AB. It's the properties of the main AB that has
NA> the "bHelp" spelled out in the Help button at the bottom of the
NA> Properties page.

I see what you mean. I still don't see the extra 'b'. :-( Is this an OS
specific thing?

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Re: two new messages on mailto: links

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:08:36 -0600, Albert graced us with these comments:
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AW>   I just downloaded the Bat 1.53 and I must say I am very impressed.
AW>   However, there's one minor detail that just bugs the hell out of me.
AW>   When the Bat is not open and you click a mailto: link on a web page,
AW>   the Bat opens TWO new messages to that address. Is there any way to
AW>   remedy this? Thanks in advance.

I was just now having an even more bizarre problem when hitting mailto:
links in my browser. I decided to go into the internet properties and redo
the default mail client setting by choosing OE, and then re-choosing TB!.
It's now working as it should. You could give that a try.

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Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:56:36 -0700, name4anand thoughtfully wrote the
following:
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nen> I don't want to have to use Alt-L every time I add a word to a line I
nen> already typed, it should rewrap in real time like any normal editor.

Have you tried the auto-format settings.

nen> I don't want to have to Alt-L every paragraph when I reply to a
nen> message with its contents quoted. I know some people like to go
nen> through a message and do that, but most of the people I talk to find
nen> it extremely irritating, especially since the arrow keys and Alt-L
nen> are on the same side of the keyboard and thus don't allow for easy
nen> two-handed keyboard maneuvering.

The reflowing of quoted material that TB! does in one swoop is a rare
feature to find, usually only available in advanced editors.

nen> Is there any plan afoot to implement at least an option for users to
nen> have a 'normal' editor. TheBat! is fantastic in so many respects, but
nen> there are a number of us who just cannot put up with this irritation
nen> in so crucial of a feature.

The enigmatic version 2 is slated to have a different editor.

I only hope that the important functionality present in this editor will
not be lost.

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Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor

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On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 01:19:36 +0100, Marck wrote these comments:
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MDP> Allie, another list moderator here, has been know to use the TB
MDP> editor as his mainstream text editor *because* it's so good.

I use TB!'s editor with Forte' Agent, and also use it for some other
editing tasks. The reformat routines are done in such a way that I can use
Power Pro to create keyboard macros that make me able to do some
interesting formatting with a single macro shortcut. One example is the
ability to place the cursor in the middle of a quoted paragraph, hit my
macro shortcut (shift+del), which splits the paragraph into two parts
separated by three lines, reflowing both parts, and then leaving cursor at
the beginning of the second of the three lines separating the two
reformatted parts. I can then just type my comments. :-)

I looked at Becky's editor to try to create a similar ability. No go.
Forte' Agent's editor? .. forget it all manual labour. This is why OE
users will just quote the whole message and write the reply above the
quote. Too much work to make comments and reformat the quotes.

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Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:52:18 -0400, Tim graced us with these comments:
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ACM>> One example is the ability to place the cursor in the middle of a
ACM>> quoted paragraph, hit my macro shortcut (shift+del), which splits
ACM>> the paragraph into two parts separated by three lines, reflowing
ACM>> both parts, and then leaving cursor at the beginning of the second
ACM>> of the three lines separating the two reformatted parts. I can then
ACM>> just type my comments. :-)

TM> Are you willing to share this?  

Sure. However, you need PowerPro , or
some other macro utility installed. This is the macro in PowerPro format:

.{back}{en}{en}{en}{en}%l{up}{up}

Auto-format must be enabled for it to work. If you don't have auto-format
enabled, you could include instructions to enable it before executing the
above commands and then disabling it afterwards.

What the macro does is the following:

.{back}
Insert a 'period' (this could be any other character) and then delete it
by doing a backspace. This leads to a reflow of the paragraph if
auto-format is enabled.

{en}{en}{en}{en}
This splits up the paragraph so that they are separated by three blank
lines. The cursor will be at the beginning of the second part which needs
reflowing.

%l
This is the Alt+L command that will reflow the other part.

{up}{up}
This moves the cursor to where you'd wish to start typing between the
paragraphs.

PowerPro is freeware. It can make TB!'s editor quite powerful and
convenient to use. A friend of mine created a PowerPro macro to reflow the
entire text, multiple paragraphs and all. I don't use it so I ditched it
some time ago.

The editor may be quirky in places but it creates possibilities. Most
other editors in other mailers are more conventional but are devoid of
these possibilities. The formatting I produce with TB!'s editor quite
effortlessly would be really tedious in these other editors.

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Re: "bHelp"

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On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:19:28 +0200, Peter contributed this to our
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PP> My TheBat.lng ist from June, 12th, I've attached it in RARed form, I
PP> hope moderators don't ban me for this, as it's only 95k.

This list will not allow attachments. It's set at the server level. We
decided this when viruses found their way here on a couple occasions, not
to mention the uploading of unreasonably large attachments.

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Re: MailTicker not showing up

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On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 16:48:17 +0200, Eduard contributed this to our
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EF> I've set up the 'Display MailTicker' to 'Always', but after some time,
EF> it hideously hides and doesn't appear anymore, not even when new mail
EF> actually arrives. Sometimes I can find it, at the bottom of all any
EF> other open windows; but more than often it completely disappears. Can
EF> anyone offer some help, or some comfort at least? 8-)

Did you change your screen resolution in and around the ticker problems.
If you change your screen resolution when the ticker is at the edge of the
screen, this could lead to loss of the ticker since it's now off the
screen and there's no means to retrieve it, except by going into the
registry and tinkering with the ticker position values.

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Re: MailTicker not showing up

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On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:51:28 +0200, Eduard graced us with these comments:
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EF> Thank you Allie for your help, but I don't think it's a screen
EF> resolution problem. I always work in 1024*768 in a 17" monitor. This
EF> problem with the MailTicker I've had it also in previous versions. In
EF> fact, I decided to set it up to 'Always' (from my usual setting of
EF> 'Automatic') hoping the change would make it work as promised, but it
EF> hasn't.

It sounds like an application interaction.

I've had problems with the ticker disappearing while running virtual
desktop software. Otherwise, I've had no problems across versions.

Others had experience where the ticker disappeared and this was usually
after a resolution change after changing monitors, moving their TB!
installation to another machine, registry settings and all.

If you're problem is transient/sporadic, I'd look at an application
interaction as the culprit.

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On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:50:17 -0400, Tim wrote these comments:
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TM> Not sure I follow what the &+ is doing...  If I type joe, and
TM> [EMAIL PROTECTED] was in my address book, it just atuocompletes.

The autocompletion from history will give you the last entry matching the
string you typed. In the above case [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's say you also
had [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] in your address book. CTRL-+
will insert these as possibilities. Between CTRL+ and CTRL-, you can
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RB> This is the content of the "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\mailto\shell\open"
RB> registry part of my installation and it works perfectly (Win98SE).



My settings are identical to yours (barring the path to thebat.exe) and
this is in Win2k Pro.

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On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:35:27 +0100, Marck thoughtfully wrote the
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RB>> This is the content of the "HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\mailto\shell\open"
RB>> registry part of my installation and it works perfectly (Win98SE).

MDP> 

MDP> That's what I had too - under Win2k. And it fails completely :-(.

The plot thickens because I have the same settings and they work for me.
Only one editor window comes up, though in the background.

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On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 06:49:56 +0900, Robert thoughtfully wrote the
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RK> I have installed TB and have found that there is no uninstaller. I have
RK> read something about this here before but am not sure what to do. How can I
RK> uninstall TB when there is no uninstaller and no reference to it in the
RK> Add/Remove control panel?

Just delete the TB! installation directory.

To be thorough, fire up the registry editor, look under HKey Current
User/Software and delete the entire subkey called 'rit'.

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On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:23:51 -0400, Jan graced us with these comments:
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JR>   Are you using SP_1 or SP_2?

SP2. See my signature.

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Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor

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nen> I don't want to have to use a blank line every time I want to have a
nen> short line.  Am I mistaken or is there some way around that?  I tried
nen> the 1.53bis version just now and it is the same with Auto-Format as
nen> TheBat! has been since that feature came out I believe.

If you need to create such a list toggle off autoformat (Shift-Ctrl-F) and
proceed. When you're done, turn back on auto-formatting.

It's a give and take for me. Great reflowing of quoted material, the free
caret interface, in return for occasionally toggling on and off
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:58:46 +0200, Dierk wrote these comments:
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DH> BTW, I don't find it very logical either to find keyboard shortcuts in
DH> the menus regardless of the application. when I am as far as having
DH> touched the mouse to go to the menu I don't need the shortcut anymore,
DH> I just use the menu item.

If it's not made optional, as I see with some apps, please leave it as it
is. It's a nice way of being reminded what the keyboard shortcuts are. I
prefer that any day to having to take to the help files to find out what
the keyboard shortcut for task x is.

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Re: uninstall please

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On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:29:11 -0400, Jan wrote these words of wisdom:

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JR>   On this list I've read that one can use regedit to search for 'RIT'
JR>   in order to clean out the registry but someone else will have to
JR>   confirm that as I, for one, am not knowledgeable enough & so I don't
JR>   like to mess around with the registry unless I *absolutely* have to.

If you have only TB! installed, then you can delete the subkey

HKCU/Software/rit

If you have SecureBat! installed as well, then you'd have to delete the
subkey:

HKCU/Software/rit/The Bat!

since the SecureBat! registry entries are stored under:

HKCU/Software/rit/SecureBat!

TB! registry entries reside in only one location which makes it easy to
manually uninstall TB! completely.

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Re: MailTicker not showing up

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On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 09:58:16 +0200, Eduard contributed this to our
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EF> I had the ticker set to 'Always' in the 'Options - Preferences -
EF> General' tab, but hadn't realized that the ticker window has a
EF> right-click pop-up menu with an 'Always on top' option, which I
EF> suppose I unselected months ago, had forgotten about it and was
EF> working against me 8-)

EF> Thanks again for your help and sorry for the trouble.

No trouble at all. :-)

Now we have another question to ask the next person who's having ticker
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Re: MailTicker not showing up

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On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:37:36 +0200, Dierk thoughtfully wrote the
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DH> Just as a reminder: My MT is shown but gets stuck after one or one and
DH> a half "round". then it stays there with the part showing no messages
DH> but only how many new messages there are.

heh. That one's a scorcher. :-) Again, pretty unusual and very likely
unique to your setup. Have you tried eliminating running applications
methodically to see whether there's an application interaction? Video
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:38:50 -0400, Tim contributed this to our collective
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TM> How does this work?  I right click and pick "Insert Cookie" but don't
TM> get anything.  Do I have to set where the "Cookies" are somewhere?  As
TM> you can see below, it works in my template.

For this to work you need to have cookies listed in the default location
for cookies, i.e., Account Properties/Templates/cookies. Remember also
that each account has its own settings and separate cookie file. The
cookies you get will therefore depend on which account you're message is
being composed to be sent from.

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Re: Keyboard shortcut to mark a message with a color group?

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On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:24:09 -0400, Tim contributed this to our collective
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TM>   Is there a Keyboard shortcut to mark a message with a color group?
TM>   Or is there a way I can create one with TB?

Alt-M-G ... and choose from the list of colour groups?

Another way is to create your shortcut by creating a manual filter rule,
define a shortcut for it and make the action to change the colour group to
what you wish. You can then change any message's colour group by selecting
the message and hitting the shortcut. The filter will only work in the
account it was created but you could copy it to other accounts.

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Re: MailTicker not showing up

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On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:03:00 +0200, Dierk contributed this to our
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DH> If it's this, I can't kill any of the applications. they are not quite
DH> vital but very important to me. BTW, i tested the MT prob with
DH> different computers, setups and app's running or not running. doesn't
DH> change a thing. Look up the archives, I think I twice or three times
DH> wrote about it.

Don't hold your breath on my looking it up , but it's interesting that
the problem follows you across installations, assuming that these are
fresh installations and not backups being restored on other machines.

I've never had a ticker problem. It just keeps scrolling.

Let's see  could it be a particular ticker configuration?

How do you view your ticker? What are the settings? I have mine in thin
view, always on top, faster scrolling, auto-zoom disabled, no message age
limits defined and I enabled viewing of all message types.

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On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:14:46 -0700, Igbar wrote these comments:
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TF>> Give it a try with another web browser, or an ftp client, and see
TF>> whether the problem persists.

IF> obviously, as is normal on this list, you didn't read my message .. we
IF> have had no problems with netscape for over 4 years of constant use ..
IF> i was wondering if you had any real sources for the information or
IF> just gossip .. guess you reply states it all

Please be nice now.

Do you often download *RAR* archives on the internet? We've witnessed on
this list, complaints of problems with downloads from the Ritlabs servers
of RAR archives. All were done using Netscape at the time, and the problem
went away when another browser or ftp client was used. I remember this
clearly and it ain't gossip.

Count me inexperienced and under-exposed but I never knew about or had to
deal with RAR archives until over 4 years of computing. In fact, apart
from the ones I personally create, Ritlabs is the only commercial server
I've had to download them from and I download a lot of applications. We
cannot assume then that you routinely download RAR archives without
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:54:48 -0600, Douglas graced us with these comments:
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DH> Can TB! be configured to load w/ certain View Folder windows open?
DH> There are a number of Folders I always want on view.

Unfortunately no. This can't be done.

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Re: MailTicker not showing up

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On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:16:01 +0200, Dierk wrote these words of wisdom:

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>> Unless this graphics card is not comptiable

DH> 1. Compatible to what?

DH> 2. The other ones were ATI.

DH> 3. I just can't remember who had the same problem, but I think he used
DH> an nVidia chip.

*I* use an NVidia chip and have no problems.

Application interaction is my thinking on the matter. I've had application
interactions cause some interesting things. I can't run WindowBlinds
anymore because it makes PowerPro do strange things. I preferred
functionality to appearance and canned WindowBlinds. It took me a while to
discover what the problem was.

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Re: MailTicker not showing up

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On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:40:10 +0200, Dierk thoughtfully wrote the
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DH> I'd be glad if it was that easy. But what I do run on my machine, did
DH> for good reasons not run on the agency machines. I only installed
DH> Opera and TB! as my own software. The were open sometimes but not
DH> always at the same time.

I'm not saying that you should stop using any of your vital apps. I'm
saying that disabling or closing them systematically to see if one is
causing a problem interaction is all. Just in a effort to try to
illucidate the problem. The ones of particular interest would be the ones
that you have running at all times.

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On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 06:29:47 +1000, John thoughtfully wrote the following:
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JP> Bat! does not use the default set up in IE 5.5, but rather the SMTP
JP> account for sending, which suits me fine because of my set up, but
JP> just curious!.

Go into each accounts properties and go to 'Network' settings. Enable the
option 'Use account specific network settings' and select the dialup ISP
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Re: Default dial up isp

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On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 19:01:37 +1000, John graced us with these comments:
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JP> Thanks to all for the help.

You're welcome.

JP> Just curious - what does the %ACCOUNT=" " macro do?

It changes the sender information, i.e., from name, from address and
reply-to address to that of the account you defined in the macro and also
sends the message via accounts outbox, using the SMTP server you defined
in the account.

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Re: problem about list

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On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 23:58:49 +0800, Thomas contributed this to our
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TF> Tis is a matter of philosophy, and a number of people on this list
TF> post without any "real name" before the TBUDL lsit address.

I'm one of those. The address auto-completion is now a lot nicer since it
doesn't auto-complete names to list addresses as a side effect of putting
real names in front of list addresses. :-)

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Re: TB! V1.53d - printing difficulty

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On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 10:20:34 -0700, JOANNE wrote these comments:
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JV> FYI, batch forwarding is when I get an email and I forward it to
JV> several names in my address book. But this morning I reloaded an
JV> earlier version of TB..1.49) so I could use my mail program like
JV> before. What I did was run thebat.exe. My problem now is that
JV> everytime I open it, it is in setup mode, and appears to keep
JV> reinstalling it. I can't seem to get that shortcut back, that just
JV> opens the program. Any ideas?

This may seem sill but I need to be sure because your problems are pretty
bizarre.

Where did you download that thebat.exe from? Was it a .rar file that you
downloaded or a file called the_bat.exe. The .rar archive doesn't contain
an installation program but a file thebat.exe which you need to manually
copy to the TB! installation directory, overwriting the old one in the
process. OTOH, the_bat.exe  is a full installation file which you have to
run and go through the usual window prompts.

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Re: Some eval questions

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On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:51:05 -0500, Dave wrote these words of wisdom:

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DG> You know, now that you've made me try to remember :), I believe I
DG> found that Outlook didn't have any acceptable "export" formats. If I
DG> recall correctly, I believe I *imported* my Outlook folders/messages
DG> into Outlook Express 5, and then imported my Outlook Express 5
DG> folders/messages into TB! through the import wizard. I'm fairly
DG> certain that's how I did it, and I think it must have gone fairly
DG> smoothly as I'm sure I would remember if there were big problems!

Yes. This is how Outlook users have been successfully migrating to TB!
without event.

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Re: Some eval questions

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On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:43:50 -0400, Mark wrote these comments:
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MAC> First, is it possible to have multiple POP accounts share common mail
MAC> folders within a single Inbox?

With the use of filters, yes. However, you'd still have to create the
seven accounts you mentioned and you'll have to create filters for all the
accounts to move the messages to the desired folders in the main account
you wish to work. Not a very good solution if it involves so many
accounts.

The other options:

There are free services available that will forward mail for multiple
e-mail accounts to a single POP account where you can then download all
the messages from.

Another solution would be to run your own local mail server. It's not as
involved or overhead intensive as it sounds. I'd recommend it to anyone
who has to manage many remote POP accounts and wishes to funnel the
traffic to only one or two TB! accounts. You can then use the SMTP server
that comes with the mail server. One that I'd recommend is Mercury/32
because it's free, takes up little resources (~3MB of RAM) and would make
managing those accounts via a single TB! account a snap. TB!, with a local
server, would make a better solution for this purpose than any client out
there that supports personalities and multi-POP accounts.

Personally, I use MDaemon on my desktop machine here. It's excellent (more
feature rich), but it's not freeware and uses more resources.

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Re: TB! V1.53d - printing difficulty

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On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:29:28 +0159, Dierk thoughtfully wrote the
following:
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>>   I don't think so but to be sure I'm answering this correctly,
>>   maybe you could just tell me what you mean by a "save msg"
>>   template?

DH> If you can print at all, there has to be a template (AFAIK). Look
DH> under Account/Properties/Templates.

That should be Main windows menu 'Message/Print Setup/Template'.

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Re: Some eval questions

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On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:58:57 -0400, Mark contributed this to our
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MAC> Thanks (to you and two others) for the suggestion. I've been working
MAC> on implementing this, and had hoped that I could have one filter for
MAC> Incoming mail in each of the "secondary" accounts which would simply
MAC> move the mail to the Inbox of the "primary" account. Then, I'd have
MAC> filters for the Incoming mail in the "primary" account that would put
MAC> the mail in the specific folders. That way, I'd only have to put in
MAC> one set of the 15 or so filters I need, since there doesn't seem to
MAC> be any way to copy filters from one account to another. But this
MAC> doesn't work, either. Even if I check the "continue filtering" option
MAC> in the filter in the "secondary" accounts, the filters in the
MAC> "primary" account aren't activated by the appearance of the mail in
MAC> the Inbox. The only way I can get the filters to work is to manually
MAC> apply them over and over again. Am I stuck with having to create a
MAC> copy of all those filters in each account?

There's one way of doing it without having to manually refilter or create
all the filters for each account.

You could use mail redirecting. For each account create a filter to
delete, as well as redirect all messages to the main account you wish to
manage all messages from. Also in "Options/Network & Administration"
enable 'allow local delivery'. When you do this all mail will be locally
redirected to the main account where the filters in the main account are
automatically applied as you desire. The disadvantage here is that the
message headers for each message will be stripped of a lot of their
original content. However, the main headers will be preserved so that you
can reply etc. as you normally would, the creation time headers etc also
being preserved. Upon experimentation I see that reference headers are
stripped as well which could present difficulties for threading by
references.

This brings up the question. Why do redirected messages have reference
headers stripped from them? I can understand the received headers being
stripped but not the reference headers.

Each accounts filters are stored in each accounts folder as account.srx.
You could copy the main accounts filter set to that of the other accounts
*after closing TB!* and then restarting TB!. Of course remember to backup
the srx files that you're overwriting in case you don't like what happens.

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Re: Some eval questions

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On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:29:16 -0400, Mark contributed this to our
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MAC> Could someone explain this in a little more detail.  I think I'd like
MAC> to take this approach to applying a common set of filters to all of my
MAC> accounts.

Just select the filter rule and hit CTRL+C or right click it and select
copy. You can then open the other accounts filter rule and paste it in by
using the same menu. However, AFAICS, you can only copy or move single
filter rules at a time. If you need to move entire filter sets, this will
therefore be tedious.

Closing TB! and copying over the account.srx files between accounts will
be more efficient.

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Re: About GPG!!

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On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:35:10 +0200, NetVicious wrote these comments:
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N> What  about  a  tut  for  use GPG with The Bat!, y installed GPG on my
N> computer,  and  TB!  detects it, but I don't have any manner to create
N> keys from TB! and to manage it.

N> What I'm doing bad!

Nothing. :-)

TB!'s GnuPG plugin is very basic and only allows signing, encrypting and
decrypting via the TB! interface. All the other administrative tasks have
to be done either via the CLI or using GnuPG Shell, the most commonly used
GnuPG front end for Windows.

We expect that with time, the TB! plugin for GnuPG will undergo further
development and enhancement.

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