[TCP] Resume writing and editing
I've had someone ask me to help him take his seven-page resume down to two pages. He wants to know how much I would charge, but I have no idea because I haven't done this freelance before. I'm thinking of telling him $250 for paring it down, editing it, and giving it back to him in Word and PDF. Does that sound reasonable? He's located in Utah while I'm in Michigan, so there's a geographical factor that may or may not make a difference. Thanks in advance, Donna - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing
Some of the people at Job Service are very good at what they do. Not all, but some. Let's give some credit where it's due. I agree, Donna's version is likely to be much better. Dori Green -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bonnie Granat Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:38 AM To: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing Free and low quality vs. pricey and high quality -- which would you choose? Bonnie Granat http://www.GranatEdit.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dori Green > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:30 AM > To: tcp@techcommpros.com > Subject: Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing > > Donna Jones wrote: > > I'm thinking of telling > him $250 > > * > > I'm sure you're worth every penny, but it seems a bit pricey > for something they'll do for him for free at his local state > Department of Labor Job Service office. > > Dori Green > __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing
Donna Jones wrote: I'm thinking of telling him $250 * I'm sure you're worth every penny, but it seems a bit pricey for something they'll do for him for free at his local state Department of Labor Job Service office. Dori Green __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing
Free and low quality vs. pricey and high quality -- which would you choose? Bonnie Granat http://www.GranatEdit.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dori Green > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:30 AM > To: tcp@techcommpros.com > Subject: Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing > > Donna Jones wrote: > > I'm thinking of telling > him $250 > > * > > I'm sure you're worth every penny, but it seems a bit pricey > for something they'll do for him for free at his local state > Department of Labor Job Service office. > > Dori Green > __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing
Hi Donna, I am not sure what the going rate for this is, but having lived in both Utah and Michigan I do not think there is a geographical difference in the rate. Have you checked something like elance or Craigslist to see what other people charge for this service? I know I have seen this offered on elance before, but did not pay attention to the going rate. Melissa >From: "Jones, Donna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Subject: [TCP] Resume writing and editing >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:17:09 -0500 > >I've had someone ask me to help him take his seven-page resume down to >two pages. He wants to know how much I would charge, but I have no idea >because I haven't done this freelance before. I'm thinking of telling >him $250 for paring it down, editing it, and giving it back to him in >Word and PDF. Does that sound reasonable? He's located in Utah while I'm >in Michigan, so there's a geographical factor that may or may not make a >difference. > > > >Thanks in advance, > >Donna > >- CONFIDENTIAL- >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also >be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not >review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in >error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete >this email. >__ > >Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. >New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help >technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. > > >Interactive 3D Documentation >Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com >___ > >Technical Communication Professionals > >Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: >http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com >Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing
On 8/1/07, Jones, Donna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've had someone ask me to help him take his seven-page resume down to > two pages. A thought -- OT regarding your original query, but perhaps something worth thinking about. Let's say you do the job, and the client is happy, and tells other people. Pretty soon you start getting other requests. Do you want to be in the resume biz? -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing
I thought that $250 might be high. As someone wrote me off-list, that rate would be appropriate for places like Washington DC, New York City, or Silicon Valley. I poked around Craigslist as Melissa had suggested and found that what's more realistic for me would probably be in the $100-150 range. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dori Green Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:57 AM To: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing Some of the people at Job Service are very good at what they do. Not all, but some. Let's give some credit where it's due. I agree, Donna's version is likely to be much better. Dori Green - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
[TCP] How long should a resume be?
Spinning off from Donna's question, this came up while we were walking down to get breakfast this morning. 1. How long is your resume? 2. In your opinion, is there a maximum length a resume for someone in our field should be? A quick Google search brought up several web pages. The first link pretty much describes my viewpoint, and my resume. http://www.employmentdigest.net/2007/04/how-long-should-your-resume-be/ My resume info: Length: 2 pages, full Time in this field: 15+ years My education and skills sections are at the bottom of the second page, below my oldest jobs, so if there is some hardball nutcase out there who says, "I ONLY look at the first page and throw the rest away," my experience will speak for itself. With the length of time I've spent in this field, plus having worked many, many contract positions over the years, to try and put it all on one page is shortchanging myself. As it is, I've grouped several similar contract positions together to shorten it up, and dropped a few of my oldest contract/temp jobs to keep it at no more than two pages. Additional links on resume length: http://www.careerperfect.com/content/resume-writing-help-resume-length/ http://www.quintcareers.com/resume_length.html http://www.boldcareer.com/blog/archives/2006/02/09/resume_length_how_lon g_should_my_resume_be.html -Carla What America needs is more lovers of children and fewer lovers of things. -H. Roe Bartle Lawyer, banker, cattleman, politician, college president and renowned public speaker. Two-term Mayor of Kansas City in the 50's. Local Scout Executive of several councils of the Boy Scouts of America, where he was nicknamed "The Chief" while working with American Indians in Wyoming. He helped lure the Dallas Texans American Football League team to Kansas City in 1962, and owner Lamar Hunt liked Bartle's nickname so much that he renamed the franchise the Kansas City Chiefs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._Roe_Bartle - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
> 1. How long is your resume? Two pages. > 2. In your opinion, is there a maximum length a resume for someone in > our field should be? Two pages. It's an exercise in technical writing to get it down to two pages while maintaining a clean and readable layout. ;-) And I can't say enough good things about custom resumes, in addition to custom cover letters. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob "I see your OOO message and raise you a clue." __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
John Posada wrote: > > 1. How long is your resume? > Five pages For any given job that you might want to apply for, does the hiring manager really need to know five pages worth of stuff? If you repeat a lot of the same skills under each job, move them to a bulleted list of your skills in a heading called something like, "Professional Writing Skills." You don't need to give gory details about each position you've held, just a summary of each so someone might be interested enough to call you in for an interview. If I was going to hire someone, I can't say that I would even skim past a second page. (Ugh. Too tedious. Into the garbage can with it.) Just my semi-professional 2 cents worth, Donna - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing
> Do you want to be in the resume biz? That's a good question, Milan. I've been thinking of hanging out my shingle as a freelance writer. We're in a remote area, and there isn't a thing in the local yellow pages for any type of writing service. If I did my best for this guy and maybe offered him a finder's fee for referrals, I may find that work comes looking for me. I could even pick up a few reams of fancy paper and offer to provide 10 or 20 copies with a resume service. And then there are custom cover letters to go with the resumes or job-specific resumes. Yes, you can get come of these services for free through some government agencies, but I think I can offer customer service and satisfaction that will leave people thinking that they got a good deal. For now, I'm not planning to leave my day job anytime soon, but extra money is usually a good thing. Donna - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
> For any given job that you might want to apply for, does the hiring > manager really need to know five pages worth of stuff? If you repeat a > lot of the same skills under each job, move them to a bulleted list of > your skills in a heading called something like, "Professional Writing > Skills." > > You don't need to give gory details about each position you've held, > just a summary of each so someone might be interested enough to call you > in for an interview. If I was going to hire someone, I can't say that I > would even skim past a second page. (Ugh. Too tedious. Into the garbage > can with it.) I agree here. Whether it's length, organization, layout, or what have you... if I can't give the resume a quick scan, it usually doesn't rank high on my list. I'm not currently in a hiring role, but whenever I do hire writers, I treat the resume as an example of their writing skills. If it's overly wordy, poorly organized, is littered with errors, or is otherwise ineffective, I see that as an extension of their skills as a writer. Round file. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob "I see your OOO message and raise you a clue." __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing
Is this person a friend or acquaintance? Honestly, I wouldn't charge. It'll take, what? Max one to two hours? Chalk it up to a good deed or banking future good karma. Geographical location shouldn't make any difference. And if he insisted that you be paid, I'd take considerably less than that ($75-100, maximum). Nothing you are doing is that specialized and the tools you are using are quite common. Unless resume writing is your business. ...sue On 8/1/07, Jones, Donna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've had someone ask me to help him take his seven-page resume down to > two pages. He wants to know how much I would charge, but I have no idea > because I haven't done this freelance before. I'm thinking of telling > him $250 for paring it down, editing it, and giving it back to him in > Word and PDF. Does that sound reasonable? He's located in Utah while I'm > in Michigan, so there's a geographical factor that may or may not make a > difference. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Donna > > - CONFIDENTIAL- > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may > also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may > not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email > in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then > delete this email. > __ > > Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. > New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help > technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. > > > Interactive 3D Documentation > Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com > ___ > > Technical Communication Professionals > > Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: > http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com > Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com > __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
once again the answer is "it depends". Every agency I've ever worked with (as a W-2 contractor) wants a "complete" resume... which for me comes out to about 6 1/2 pages. Don't ask me why, but that's what they want, no matter how irrelevant, but by the time I get to 15 years, it's just the name of the company, the title I held and the timeframe. If I'm applying for FTE positions, I focus on the skills/experience relevant to the position and usually get it down to about 3 pages. I've never had anyone turn me down because I couldn't get 25 years experience down to 2 pages. Always seemed a bit arbitrary to me, and I never refused to look at a resume solely on the basis of length when I was a hiring manager. YMMV Connie P. Giordano The Right Words Communications & Information Design (704) 957-8450 (cell) www.therightwords.com "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney > ---Original Message--- > From: Jones, Donna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be? > Sent: 01 Aug '07 09:48 > > John Posada wrote: > > > > 1. How long is your resume? > > > Five pages > > > For any given job that you might want to apply for, does the hiring > manager really need to know five pages worth of stuff? If you repeat a > lot of the same skills under each job, move them to a bulleted list of > your skills in a heading called something like, "Professional Writing > Skills." > > You don't need to give gory details about each position you've held, > just a summary of each so someone might be interested enough to call you > in for an interview. If I was going to hire someone, I can't say that I > would even skim past a second page. (Ugh. Too tedious. Into the garbage > can with it.) > > Just my semi-professional 2 cents worth, > > Donna > > - CONFIDENTIAL- > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also > be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not > review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in > error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete > this email. > > __ > > Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. > New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help > technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. > > > Interactive 3D Documentation > Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com > ___ > > Technical Communication Professionals > > Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: > http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com > Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com > __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing
I wouldn't know what to charge. I've never charged anyone money to work on a resume. Most of the people I've done this for probably couldn't have afforded to pay me. Gene Kim-Eng - Original Message - From: "Jones, Donna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I've had someone ask me to help him take his seven-page resume down to > two pages. He wants to know how much I would charge, but I have no idea > because I haven't done this freelance before. I'm thinking of telling > him $250 for paring it down, editing it, and giving it back to him in > Word and PDF. Does that sound reasonable? He's located in Utah while I'm > in Michigan, so there's a geographical factor that may or may not make a > difference. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
> 1. How long is your resume? Five pages > 2. In your opinion, is there a maximum length a resume > for someone in our field should be? Long enough to include what you want to say and not one line longer. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever. So far, so good." __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
On 8/1/07, Martinek, Carla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Spinning off from Donna's question, this came up while we were walking > down to get breakfast this morning. > > 1. How long is your resume? Two pages. 2. In your opinion, is there a maximum length a resume for someone in > our field should be? Two pages. I usually won't read a resume that's longer than that. I don't need to know every single thing you've done since the dawn of time. The last 10 years, max. And if you've worked 20 jobs in the last 10 years, I'd be really concerned (even if you're self employed or a contractor, you don't need to list every single contract). Education and affiliations should be a couple of bullets at the end. I don't want to know your hobbies, I don't want to know what conferences you've attended, and I don't want to know your dog's first name. ...sue __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
Not only do you not need to give gory details about each position you've held, you don't need to even include every position you've held. I go back 10 years. I include one final item that covers the first 10 years (I've been doing this for almost 20 years). That final item just lists various other companies but no details. Really, odds are very high that I'll toss a five pager. If you can't give me two pages, nice tight and concise writing, how are you gonna give me a manual with the same? We actually don't get paid by the word any longer, yes? (And words cost money when you take into account localization!) ...sue On 8/1/07, Jones, Donna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John Posada wrote: > > > > 1. How long is your resume? > > > Five pages > > > For any given job that you might want to apply for, does the hiring > manager really need to know five pages worth of stuff? If you repeat a > lot of the same skills under each job, move them to a bulleted list of > your skills in a heading called something like, "Professional Writing > Skills." > > You don't need to give gory details about each position you've held, > just a summary of each so someone might be interested enough to call you > in for an interview. If I was going to hire someone, I can't say that I > would even skim past a second page. (Ugh. Too tedious. Into the garbage > can with it.) > > Just my semi-professional 2 cents worth, > > Donna > > - CONFIDENTIAL- > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may > also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may > not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email > in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then > delete this email. > > __ > > Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. > New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help > technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. > > > Interactive 3D Documentation > Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com > ___ > > Technical Communication Professionals > > Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: > http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com > Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com > __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
>For any given job that you might want to apply for, does the hiring >manager really need to know five pages worth of stuff? If you repeat a >lot of the same skills under each job, move them to a bulleted list of >your skills in a heading called something like, "Professional Writing >Skills." Who says they are the same from gig to gig. At one gig, I supported 70 Lotus Notes programmers. At another, I created process-supporting documentation for the sales force of a F500 telecom company. At another, run and build books, data dictionaries, SAP and AS400 docs for the NOC and specs for an EAI ap at an online book retailer. At another, a user guide for 50,000 Western Union cash centers. Then there was the developer documentation for an HR portal, and the online help system for flagship product of the the asset management company...oh, yeah...then there was the gig for writing the internal documentation for the UNIX programmers...you get the picture. I intentionaly look for contracts (until this gig) that were as different from the others as possible. I also don't have a problem finding gigs, even during the dot.bomb period. In 20 years, the longest was three months, and I was being picky, so why fix something that ain't broke. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever. So far, so good." __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
> At one gig, I supported 70 Lotus Notes programmers. At another, I created > process-supporting documentation for the sales force of a F500 telecom > company. At another, run and build books, data dictionaries, SAP and AS400 > docs for the NOC and specs for an EAI ap at an online book retailer. At > another, a user guide for 50,000 Western Union cash centers. Then there was > the developer documentation for an HR portal, and the online help system for > flagship product of the the asset management company...oh, yeah...then there > was the gig for writing the internal documentation for the UNIX > programmers...you get the picture. True. Not all of that is relevant to every position out there though. I'm not saying 5 pages is WRONG. If it works for you, great! But I know from my own experience as a hiring manager and from talking to and working with many other hiring managers and HR reps that the longer the resume, the less attention it tends to get (for varying reasons - I judge quality in brevity, others might just be lazy). ;-) -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob "I see your OOO message and raise you a clue." __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing
So good karma doesn't mean anything? Heck, send him my way and I'll do it for free. Seriously, $250 is way too expensive. $150 is also way too expensive. $100 is more appropriate, in my not so humble opinion. $100 isn't that much, and not something that I'd drop everything for to do. So, I'd do it for free, get some good will, tell him to tell others (and let him know that he's a first so he's a freebie and because he's an acquaintance), and let word of mouth do it's thing. And freelancing. OK, so what do you want to do? Write user docs? Or revise resumes? Write menus? Create web sites? I think you also need to think about what you want to do, and not just what's gonna bring in the money. Because you just said you're not looking to make a change immediately, just seeing if free lancing will bring in the $$. Well, yeah, it will. But what are you willing to do to do that? To be perfectly honest, I do a lot of pro bono work. I do it to create good will. I do it because an hour or two out of my day isn't gonna kill me and losing $100 isn't gonna break the bank. And, the occasional pro bono job has resulted in additional, better paying jobs. (Actually, I did some pro bono work for the company that is now signing my paycheck.) But $250? And this is not your business? I dunno about this guy, but I wouldn't pay it. ...sue On 8/1/07, Jones, Donna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The person is an acquaintance through a networking service. I don't even > think we're connected. He was looking for a professional who did > resumes, and I offered him advice on how to modify his resume on his > own. He prefers to hire someone to do it, so he asked me how much I > would charge to do his resume for him, and I didn't know how to answer. > > > > I have enough going on already that doing his resume for free isn't > worth considering. My husband could come up with at least a hundred > other things that he'd rather have me work on. But if there's some cash > involved in doing the job, that changes things a little. I'm trying to > convince my husband (and myself!) that I can eventually make a living > through freelance work. This could be one way to find out if it's > feasible. > > > > This opportunity isn't totally out of my realm. About 18 years ago, when > I worked for a print shop, I sat with people and picked their brains to > get information to put on their resume. I enjoyed it, and the people > appeared pleased with their results. I wouldn't mind doing it on the > side for a little extra grocery money. > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > From: Sue Heim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:55 AM > To: Jones, Donna > Cc: tcp@techcommpros.com > Subject: Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing > > > > Is this person a friend or acquaintance? > > > > Honestly, I wouldn't charge. It'll take, what? Max one to two hours? > Chalk it up to a good deed or banking future good karma. > > > > Geographical location shouldn't make any difference. And if he insisted > that you be paid, I'd take considerably less than that ($75-100, > maximum). Nothing you are doing is that specialized and the tools you > are using are quite common. > > > > Unless resume writing is your business. > > > > ...sue > > - CONFIDENTIAL- > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may > also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may > not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email > in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then > delete this email. > __ > > Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. > New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help > technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. > > > Interactive 3D Documentation > Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com > ___ > > Technical Communication Professionals > > Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: > http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com > Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com > __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsu
Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing
The person is an acquaintance through a networking service. I don't even think we're connected. He was looking for a professional who did resumes, and I offered him advice on how to modify his resume on his own. He prefers to hire someone to do it, so he asked me how much I would charge to do his resume for him, and I didn't know how to answer. I have enough going on already that doing his resume for free isn't worth considering. My husband could come up with at least a hundred other things that he'd rather have me work on. But if there's some cash involved in doing the job, that changes things a little. I'm trying to convince my husband (and myself!) that I can eventually make a living through freelance work. This could be one way to find out if it's feasible. This opportunity isn't totally out of my realm. About 18 years ago, when I worked for a print shop, I sat with people and picked their brains to get information to put on their resume. I enjoyed it, and the people appeared pleased with their results. I wouldn't mind doing it on the side for a little extra grocery money. Donna From: Sue Heim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:55 AM To: Jones, Donna Cc: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing Is this person a friend or acquaintance? Honestly, I wouldn't charge. It'll take, what? Max one to two hours? Chalk it up to a good deed or banking future good karma. Geographical location shouldn't make any difference. And if he insisted that you be paid, I'd take considerably less than that ($75-100, maximum). Nothing you are doing is that specialized and the tools you are using are quite common. Unless resume writing is your business. ...sue - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] update
Hi Dick, Thanks for all the good advice. This experience has taught me one thing (and having never been unemployed before, it took going through it to figure it out), I shouldn't have waited so long to start my job search. I was so sure one of the other things was going to pan out, but now, I need a job. I have been applying for many different types of positions, based on the varied experience I've had in my past couple of jobs, from technical writer to graphic designer, trainer to managing editor, CAD to sales positions. I even applied for a news producer position because of a combination of things I did producing a radio broadcast for my church and work I did a few years ago with the local independent film festival. I have been advertising on Google AdWords. I have not previously included any of my personal business information in my sig line here because I didn't think that was appropriate for the list owner to do. But a friend from the list suggested off-line that I could use a separate email address for ADMIN postings, and only include my personal stuff in non-ADMIN emails. Seems like a good idea to me, so my sig line will follow this email. :) I have business cards for my computer services/training company, for TCP, i3D Everywhere, and HAT-Matrix (I do sales for them), and hand them out to anyone I meet that might use them (or who might know someone who might use them). I am quite willing to take a job in an unrelated field. I waitressed for several months in the past year, and found that I enjoyed it very much. If I'd made as much as I did at my day job, I would have done it full time! For personal reasons, I will only be able to do desk-type jobs for the next six weeks or so. After that, working a non-tech job isn't beneath my dignity. And now for the sig line (you asked for it! *grin*), Lisa Gielczyk ~rhymes with spellcheck~ TechCommPros email list, website, wiki: http://www.techcommpros.com/ Interactive 3D Documentation: http://www.i3deverywhere.com/ Computer Support and Training: http://www.GuruGielczyk.bravehost.com/ Looking for a HAT? http://www.hat-matrix.com/ Need a translator? http://www.tls-matrix.com/ On 7/31/07, Dick Margulis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lisa Gielczyk (TCP) wrote: > > > > I'm open for contracting if anyone knows of anything, and own Word and > > FrameMaker. Something will come up, I know. It's just a matter of > > time. > > > > Lisa, > > Admittedly, I have not been following the blow-by-blow description of > your efforts to date, nor am I quite sure what business you spent all > that time writing a plan for, so some of this may cover old ground... > > 1. Transferable skills > > The last time I drew a paycheck as a computer programmer was when I had > a summer job during college, in 1965. But that, combined with only > limited exposure to PCs and some obsolete work experience in the > printing industry, a few hours of PageMaker experience on my own > account, and a few writing credits got me my first tech writing job in > 1993. The last time I was fired, in 2004, I decided I was tired of being > fired and tired of working in cubicles; so I decided to go into business > for myself. I assumed I would mostly be doing contract tech writing. > Guess again. The bulk of what I do is editing and book production for > self-publishing authors. > > In other words, think about the skills you have and the industries where > they might be applicable other than the ones you've already worked in. > Include avocational skills, too. What do you know how to do because of > living life, rather than because you took a course or had a job doing > it? Do people admire your garden? Maybe you could design gardens. Do > people love your parties? Maybe you could be a caterer or a wedding planner. > > 2. It pays to advertise > > I don't see a link to your Web site after your signature. I don't see a > link to your blog after your signature. Where is your Web presence? And > how do you drive visitors to your site? I recently suspended my Google > AdWords account because those ads brought me enough work that I don't > need to attract any more clients right now. Yes, I spent a bunch of > money to get those clients, but it was money well spent. And if my > backlog drops, I'll spend it again. Meanwhile, I keep getting new blog > visitors, and occasionally they become clients--and that's free. > > 3. Dignity of work > > Working is better than not working. And all kinds of work experience are > valuable in some way. You'll learn more about customer service working > behind a deli counter, for example, than you'll ever learn working in > any capacity in a software company. You'll learn more about consumer > psychology selling cars or magazine subscriptions than you will from any > textbook. There are lessons to be learned on factory jobs, construction > jobs, and all kinds of other jobs. Are they what you want to do for the > rest of your life--or even the rest of the year? Probably not, but take >
Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing
"good karma with my husband would mean more than good karma with a stranger." AMEN!!! :) >From: "Jones, Donna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Subject: Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing >Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:10:20 -0500 > >Sue Heim wrote: > > But $250? And this is not your business? I dunno about this guy, but I >wouldn't pay it. > > >I already figured out that $250 was too high. That's why I was asking >people on the list for their opinions. I have found that the $100-150 range >is more reasonable. I've always done my own resume, so I didn't know what >people charge to have them done. > >I don't do pro bono work for strangers on a networking service who are >looking to hire someone for a job, especially when doing the work for free >would make my husband mad. No, I don't believe in karma, but if I did, good >karma with my husband would mean more than good karma with a stranger. > >- CONFIDENTIAL- >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also >be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not >review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in >error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete >this email. > >__ > >Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. >New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help >technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. > > >Interactive 3D Documentation >Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com >___ > >Technical Communication Professionals > >Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: >http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com >Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing
Sue Heim wrote: > But $250? And this is not your business? I dunno about this guy, but I > wouldn't pay it. I already figured out that $250 was too high. That's why I was asking people on the list for their opinions. I have found that the $100-150 range is more reasonable. I've always done my own resume, so I didn't know what people charge to have them done. I don't do pro bono work for strangers on a networking service who are looking to hire someone for a job, especially when doing the work for free would make my husband mad. No, I don't believe in karma, but if I did, good karma with my husband would mean more than good karma with a stranger. - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Resume writing and editing
Hey, it works both ways. I try to keep good karma with my wife. Of course, she knows it and takes advantage of it. :) --- Melissa Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "good karma with my husband would mean more than > good karma with a > stranger." > > AMEN!!! :) > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
Currently my resume is three pages long. My last update was a quick addition of a new history entry and rather than edit heavily I just let the "Education and Traning" section at the end roll to a third page. I don't think the overall length of a resume is particularly important. What *is* important is for the first page to make the reader want to look at the rest of the pages. Gene Kim-Eng - Original Message - From: "Martinek, Carla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:36 AM Subject: [TCP] How long should a resume be? > Spinning off from Donna's question, this came up while we were walking > down to get breakfast this morning. > > 1. How long is your resume? > > 2. In your opinion, is there a maximum length a resume for someone in > our field should be? __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] update
While doing some research for work today, I came upon a job board I had completely forgot about, which has some interesting positions on it. There are federal jobs, as well as federal contractor positions. The site is www.usajobs.opm.gov Hope it helps :) Melissa >From: "Lisa Gielczyk (TCP)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "TCP List" >Subject: [TCP] update >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:56:45 -0500 > >Hi everyone, > >Thought I'd give another update on my employment situation. I spent a >significant amount of time working on a business plan after meeting >with a SCORE counselor in the hopes of finding an investor. The more I >heard about investors (including a quote from a friend who is a >financial planner, "They'll own you."), the less I wanted to go that >route. I've made a decision to only do what I can on a small basis, >contacting companies one at a time. > >A woman from church called to ask me a computer question, and after >I'd helped her, she insisted on paying me. So, I thought that might be >a good way to make money, and put an ad in the paper for low-cost >computer help--got nothing until last Saturday (a few weeks after the >ad ran), then helped a woman who says she'll be calling back again. >But it's probably not going to be enough, soon enough. My severance >was good, but a lot of it went to taxes. > >So, I'm looking for a job. I had an interview with a recruiter last >week, and have put my resume on Monster.com. I've applied for several >jobs on the local job board. I've written to several translation >companies, trying to get pre-press formatting work. I've even bid on >some work on guru.com, but so far... nothing. > >I'm open for contracting if anyone knows of anything, and own Word and >FrameMaker. Something will come up, I know. It's just a matter of >time. > >Hope you're all doing well. Have a great week! > >Warm regards, >Lisa G. > >__ > >Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. >New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help >technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. > > >Interactive 3D Documentation >Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com >___ > >Technical Communication Professionals > >Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: >http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com >Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
John Posada wrote: > At one gig, I supported 70 Lotus Notes programmers. At another, I > created process-supporting documentation for the sales force of a F500 > telecom company. At another, run and build books, data dictionaries, > SAP and AS400 docs for the NOC and specs for an EAI ap at an online > book retailer. At another, a user guide for 50,000 Western Union cash > centers. Then there was the developer documentation for an HR portal, > and the online help system for flagship product of the the asset > management company...oh, yeah...then there was the gig for writing the > internal documentation for the UNIX programmers...you get the picture. John: Why not just replace whatever's in your five-page resume with THAT paragraph? -Andrew === Andrew Warren - [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Synaptics, Inc - Santa Clara, CA __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
> Why not just replace whatever's in your five-page resume with THAT > paragraph? It's also not nearly complete. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever. So far, so good." - Original Message From: Andrew Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: John Posada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jones, Donna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; tcp@techcommpros.com Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 3:11:52 PM Subject: RE: [TCP] How long should a resume be? John Posada wrote: > At one gig, I supported 70 Lotus Notes programmers. At another, I > created process-supporting documentation for the sales force of a F500 > telecom company. At another, run and build books, data dictionaries, > SAP and AS400 docs for the NOC and specs for an EAI ap at an online > book retailer. At another, a user guide for 50,000 Western Union cash > centers. Then there was the developer documentation for an HR portal, > and the online help system for flagship product of the the asset > management company...oh, yeah...then there was the gig for writing the > internal documentation for the UNIX programmers...you get the picture. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
> > Why not just replace whatever's in your five-page resume with THAT > > paragraph? > > Seriously? Not enough content for the HR and agency search engines to grab > onto. Ah yes, we can't forget about buzzword bingo can we... which you need to be able to play with every resume (otherwise it may never get past initial screening). Seriously! -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob "I see your OOO message and raise you a clue." __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
> Why not just replace whatever's in your five-page resume with THAT > paragraph? Seriously? Not enough content for the HR and agency search engines to grab onto. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever. So far, so good." - Original Message From: Andrew Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: John Posada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jones, Donna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; tcp@techcommpros.com Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2007 3:11:52 PM Subject: RE: [TCP] How long should a resume be? John Posada wrote: > At one gig, I supported 70 Lotus Notes programmers. At another, I > created process-supporting documentation for the sales force of a F500 > telecom company. At another, run and build books, data dictionaries, > SAP and AS400 docs for the NOC and specs for an EAI ap at an online > book retailer. At another, a user guide for 50,000 Western Union cash > centers. Then there was the developer documentation for an HR portal, > and the online help system for flagship product of the the asset > management company...oh, yeah...then there was the gig for writing the > internal documentation for the UNIX programmers...you get the picture. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
Whenever possible, I contact the company and ask if they prefer an abbreviated one-page summary, a two-page basic resume, or a larger document with more details. I also offer more details. I used to publish my portfolio in a Yahoo group but ran into a headhunter who couldn't figure out how to get into Yahoogroups, became frustrated and offended, and threw a fit all over me in retaliation for her years of computer-itis. Go figure. I once won the gig because I was the only candidate who asked for their preference. I have also won gigs because they liked the way I set up my portfolio as a Yahoo group. At one time I posted the portfolio and other writings as web pages with direct URLs, but these days I'm more circumspect and cautious about what I put out on the web. Maybe when I figure out how to publish "member only" passworded pages that can only be seen by invitees and truly psychotic hacker types... One of the most important pieces of my portfolio is the marked-up draft of a computer system spec for which I never got the opportunity to actually make my suggested changes. People have commented that it gives them a remarkable insight into the process of technical writing and editing, and a clear vision of how my particular brain works. Now _there's_ a scary thing! I could probably scan the thing and publish it as a pdf, but the physical copy has more impact. Lest we forget, the purpose of the resume/CV is to hook the prospect. We should be good at this. See also my posts about being too close to the subject Dori Green __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
John Posada wrote: > > Why not just replace whatever's in your five-page resume with THAT > > paragraph? > > Seriously? Not enough content for the HR and agency search engines to > grab onto. That's understandable, but sad. > It's also not nearly complete. Right, but that's the point. The understated confidence projected by its casual, matter-of-fact presentation is what makes it so powerful. -Andrew === Andrew Warren - [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Synaptics, Inc - Santa Clara, CA __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
> Ah yes, we can't forget about buzzword bingo can we... which you need > to be able to play with every resume (otherwise it may never get past > initial screening). I don't make the rules :-) John Posada Senior Technical Writer "They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever. So far, so good." __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
Your examples don't prove the pudding, John. The one you could've brought up during the interview and ditto with the other one. I don't put the fact that I worked in ad agencies for years on my resume. During the interview, though, if marketing collaterals come up, I'll mention it. What works for you may work just fine. But you have two hiring managers here who've told you "um, nope, don't read 'em if they are that long." ...sue On 8/1/07, John Posada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There are some jobs that will only be filled by people with detailed > resumes > > that are several pages long. Professorships, ambassadors billets and > > specialized gigs like the ones John manages to land come to mind. My > guess > > is that John is really good at audience analysis and he writes his > resume > > accordingly. It works for him, but not everyone will benefit by using a > five > > page resume for all TW job openings. Probably, most TW job openings > warrant > > a two-page resume. > > Tom...thanks, don't know if what you say is true or not. > > However, let me give you two examples that make me include as many details > as I can about me and avoid the "tailored" resumes when applying for a gig. > > 1) I interviewed for a position at Avaya Communication. The job > description was for process documentation...Visio, Word, etc. I get there > and during the interview, the person noticed that 12 years before that, I'd > been in sales. The deal was clinched...turned out, the gig was to document > the automation of the complete quote-to-cash sales process, and NOWHERE in > the job req was sales experience mentioned. > > 2) Here at EMC..when it was discovered that I had the UNIX experience, > moved me up several notches...some of our apps are installed on UNIX, > nowhere was UNIX mentioned. > > So, no...between real-life instances where a very detailed resume got me > gigs, vs several people saying "I don't like resumes longer than two pages", > I'll go with what has worked for me in the past. > > John Posada > Senior Technical Writer > > "They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever. > So far, so good." > > __ > > Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. > New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help > technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. > > > Interactive 3D Documentation > Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com > ___ > > Technical Communication Professionals > > Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: > http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com > Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com > __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
There are some jobs that will only be filled by people with detailed resumes that are several pages long. Professorships, ambassadors billets and specialized gigs like the ones John manages to land come to mind. My guess is that John is really good at audience analysis and he writes his resume accordingly. It works for him, but not everyone will benefit by using a five page resume for all TW job openings. Probably, most TW job openings warrant a two-page resume. Tom Johnson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Warren Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:30 PM To: John Posada; Jones, Donna; tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be? John Posada wrote: > > Why not just replace whatever's in your five-page resume with THAT > > paragraph? > > Seriously? Not enough content for the HR and agency search engines to > grab onto. That's understandable, but sad. > It's also not nearly complete. Right, but that's the point. The understated confidence projected by its casual, matter-of-fact presentation is what makes it so powerful. -Andrew === Andrew Warren - [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Synaptics, Inc - Santa Clara, CA __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
On 8/1/07, Tom Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are some jobs that will only be filled by people with detailed resumes > that are several pages long... Probably, most TW job openings warrant > a two-page resume. One could prepare content for a detailed resume, but structure it so that they could extract a less-detailed version. Something like single-sourcing or content management... -- Milan Davidovic http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://www.terminus1525.ca/studio/view/2758 __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
> There are some jobs that will only be filled by people with detailed resumes > that are several pages long. Professorships, ambassadors billets and > specialized gigs like the ones John manages to land come to mind. My guess > is that John is really good at audience analysis and he writes his resume > accordingly. It works for him, but not everyone will benefit by using a five > page resume for all TW job openings. Probably, most TW job openings warrant > a two-page resume. Tom...thanks, don't know if what you say is true or not. However, let me give you two examples that make me include as many details as I can about me and avoid the "tailored" resumes when applying for a gig. 1) I interviewed for a position at Avaya Communication. The job description was for process documentation...Visio, Word, etc. I get there and during the interview, the person noticed that 12 years before that, I'd been in sales. The deal was clinched...turned out, the gig was to document the automation of the complete quote-to-cash sales process, and NOWHERE in the job req was sales experience mentioned. 2) Here at EMC..when it was discovered that I had the UNIX experience, moved me up several notches...some of our apps are installed on UNIX, nowhere was UNIX mentioned. So, no...between real-life instances where a very detailed resume got me gigs, vs several people saying "I don't like resumes longer than two pages", I'll go with what has worked for me in the past. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever. So far, so good." __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
John Posada wrote: > So, no...between real-life instances where a very detailed resume got me > gigs, vs several people saying "I don't like resumes longer than two > pages", I'll go with what has worked for me in the past. That sounds eerily similar to audience analysis to me. Is that allowed? :-) My work experience for the last 14 years or more has revolved largely around writing manuals in FrameMaker and delivering them in PDF or on paper. I hate repeating that for each job, which is why I abbreviated my job descriptions and moved the FrameMaker-related stuff to a section about my skills. It makes both me and my resume appear more professional. I finally had to move to a two-page resume the last time I did one. For the longest time, I stubbornly managed to keep everything on one page, but then I realized that it wouldn't fax well because the text was getting a little crowded. Not that many people want faxed resumes any more. Sending things electronically is SO much easier. Donna - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be?
and at least two who have said that length is not as important as having compelling high-quality content. To each his own, but I can assure you I'd hire John in a New York minute because he's great at what he does, and he's able and willing to cross a lot of boundaries. I believe this really is a case of to each his own Connie P. Giordano The Right Words Communications & Information Design (704) 957-8450 (cell) www.therightwords.com "It's kind of fun to do the impossible." - Walt Disney > ---Original Message--- > From: Sue Heim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [TCP] How long should a resume be? > Sent: 01 Aug '07 15:31 > > Your examples don't prove the pudding, John. The one you could've brought up > during the interview and ditto with the other one. I don't put the fact that > I worked in ad agencies for years on my resume. During the interview, > though, if marketing collaterals come up, I'll mention it. > > What works for you may work just fine. But you have two hiring managers here > who've told you "um, nope, don't read 'em if they are that long." > > ...sue > > > On 8/1/07, John Posada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > There are some jobs that will only be filled by people with detailed > > resumes > > > that are several pages long. Professorships, ambassadors billets and > > > specialized gigs like the ones John manages to land come to mind. My > > guess > > > is that John is really good at audience analysis and he writes his > > resume > > > accordingly. It works for him, but not everyone will benefit by using a > > five > > > page resume for all TW job openings. Probably, most TW job openings > > warrant > > > a two-page resume. > > > > Tom...thanks, don't know if what you say is true or not. > > > > However, let me give you two examples that make me include as many details > > as I can about me and avoid the "tailored" resumes when applying for a gig. > > > > 1) I interviewed for a position at Avaya Communication. The job > > description was for process documentation...Visio, Word, etc. I get there > > and during the interview, the person noticed that 12 years before that, I'd > > been in sales. The deal was clinched...turned out, the gig was to document > > the automation of the complete quote-to-cash sales process, and NOWHERE in > > the job req was sales experience mentioned. > > > > 2) Here at EMC..when it was discovered that I had the UNIX experience, > > moved me up several notches...some of our apps are installed on UNIX, > > nowhere was UNIX mentioned. > > > > So, no...between real-life instances where a very detailed resume got me > > gigs, vs several people saying "I don't like resumes longer than two > pages", > > I'll go with what has worked for me in the past. > > > > John Posada > > Senior Technical Writer > > > > "They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever. > > So far, so good." > > > > __ > > > > Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. > > New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help > > technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. > > > > > > Interactive 3D Documentation > > Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com > > ___ > > > > Technical Communication Professionals > > > > Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: > > http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com > > Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com > > > __ > > Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. > New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help > technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. > > > Interactive 3D Documentation > Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com > ___ > > Technical Communication Professionals > > Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: > http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com > Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com > __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based
