Re: [TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358)-headspace error!
On Sat, 1 Jun 2002, Stanislav Kneifl wrote: BTW, why is the screen of so importance? Do you know any musician playing from the computer screen? :-) Yes, me. But up to now only for private use. Especially when checking new PMXed scores I find it very useful to put my laptop on the harpsichord and play right away from the screen. I remember having read about a symphony orchestra (don't ask which one) which recently made a test with flat screen monitors mounted on the stands. regards Bernhard ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358) -headspaceerror!
Hi Alexander, And long slur (and generally any line at low angle) will be jagged on priners with less than 600 dpi resolution, regardless of its bitmapped or vector nature. This is a fact. Yes, this is very annoyning, sometimes they are broken not only on the screen but also on the print. I was just surprised that a postscript _program_ which draws bezier curves would result in that stepwise look both on the screen and on the print. Please distinguish between the terms stepwise and jagged - the problem is not that the slurs are composed from straight lines (in fact they are, but the difference is far below pixel size), but that they have to be rendered in a discrete matrix of square pixels. AFAIK no PS or PDF displayer does antialiasing of lines and curves. If you look at PDFs created from Finale, Sibelius, Score or any other high-end program, you will still see the same jagged pixelated slurs. BTW, why is the screen of so importance? Do you know any musician playing from the computer screen? :-) Another question: why isn't it possible to make it work with Yap (or xdvi). I see that Yap desperately tries to interpret psslur.pro but fails somewhere. We all know that Yap and xdvi can display ps pictures, why it's not possible for the slurs? These viewers try to interpret \special commands and look for EPS images referenced by them. Slurs and crescendos are not EPS images - they are simply PS commands embedded into the final PS file. There is no way to understand the commands other than to interpret the whole file. Stanislav. ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358)-headspace error!
Hi Stanislav, From: Stanislav Kneifl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358) -headspace error! Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:11:33 +0200 And long slur (and generally any line at low angle) will be jagged on priners with less than 600 dpi resolution, regardless of its bitmapped or vector nature. This is a fact. Yes, this is very annoyning, sometimes they are broken not only on the screen but also on the print. I was just surprised that a postscript _program_ which draws bezier curves would result in that stepwise look both on the screen and on the print. Thank you once again for these macros anyway. Another question: why isn't it possible to make it work with Yap (or xdvi). I see that Yap desperately tries to interpret psslur.pro but fails somewhere. We all know that Yap and xdvi can display ps pictures, why it's not possible for the slurs? Alexander ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358) - trying to understand
How should i code this, for the midi to play the two 'c' as 1 note (see original without Ap, a correct but not so beautiful example )? = 11 3 8 0 0 0 0 1 1 20 0.07 b ./ w60m I Ap e84 stl Ct e4 st zc+ / === Thanks Andre ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
RE: [TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358) - newbie pssluruser
Alexander V. Voinov wrote
I installed these both packages, but got the following:
) (C:\localtexmf\tex\generic\musixtex\musixps.tex
MusiXPS PostScript slurs, ties and crescendos 0.92 (12.5.2002)
) bar 1 bar 2 bar 3 bar 4 bar 5 bar 6 bar 7 bar 8 bar 9 bar 10 bar 11
bar 12
bar 13 bar 14 bar 15 bar 16 bar 17 bar 18 bar 19 bar 20 [1] bar 21 bar
22
bar 23 bar 24 bar 25 bar 26 bar 27 bar 28 bar 29 bar 30 bar 31 bar 32
! Undefined control sequence.
l.268 \pnotes{4.00}\tieforisd
\islurd0{'G}\hl G\nextvoice%
?
Why?
Oops. You don't have the latest version of pmx.tex. I neglected to include
it in the zip. Sorry about that. I foolishly assumed that any PMX user
would have installed every new beta as it came out. The last new pmx.tex
came with 2.355. There's no direct link anymore to that version, but FYI it
still lives in the software directory of the archive (along with lots of
other stuff that doesn't have direct links). It's all available for
browsing and downloading at
http://icking-music-archive.sunsite.dk/software/
However, to avoid problems like this in the future, I've added pmx.tex to
pmx2358.zip
http://icking-music-archive.sunsite.dk/software/pmx/pmx2358.zip
and will try to remember to include pmx.tex with future beta releases.
--Don Simons
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RE: [TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358) - headspace error!
A big oops! The file slur-ps.zip that I had uploaded to the archive several days ago was out of date :-( I'm terribly sorry for any inconvenience this caused (Andre, Alexander). I know how frustrating it can be to install new freeware as I just finished installing MikTeX with plenty of detours. Now I think it's fixed; please try the corrected version http://icking-music-archive.sunsite.dk/software/musixtex/slur-ps.zip --Don Simons ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
[TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358) -
Here i have a music line that behave on an other way with postscript slurs. Which way is the right one? (remove Ap to see the difference) - Is the hairpin slope a new feature? - the tie has an offset 11 3 8 0 0 0 0 1 1 20 0.07 b ./ w60m Ap c84 st D g4- st D+15 / == Andre ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358) - headspace error!
Hi Don, I still have errors on undefined control sequences of the form islurdXXX. Alexander Don Simons wrote: A big oops! The file slur-ps.zip that I had uploaded to the archive several days ago was out of date :-( I'm terribly sorry for any inconvenience this caused (Andre, Alexander). I know how frustrating it can be to install new freeware as I just finished installing MikTeX with plenty of detours. Now I think it's fixed; please try the corrected version http://icking-music-archive.sunsite.dk/software/musixtex/slur-ps.zip --Don Simons ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358) - headspace error!
Alexander V. Voinov wrote: Hi Don, I still have errors on undefined control sequences of the form islurdXXX. ... and for the short slurs old ones actually look better (slightly, but it's detectable). And these are majority, even in our choral music where a lexem may by sung in 15 measures. Alexander ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
RE: [TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358) - headspace error!
Alexander V. Voinov wrote: ... and for the short slurs old ones actually look better (slightly, but it's detectable). And these are majority, even in our choral music where a lexem may by sung in 15 measures. I've already commented to Stanislav that the short slurs seem too light, and suggested it would be nice at least to be able to optionally change the thickness from the default. Why do you think the old ones are better? Opinions about stuff like this are valuable to the developers. --Don Simons ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358) - headspace error!
Hi Don, Don Simons wrote: Alexander V. Voinov wrote I still have errors on undefined control sequences of the form islurdXXX. I just checked the copy of pmx.tex from http://icking-music-archive.sunsite.dk/software/pmx/pmx2358.zip and it has the new slur definitions. Is that the copy you are using? Are you sure there is no other pmx.tex higher up in your search path? I'm _very_ sorry. It's again an extra copy in the path. Now it works, thank you. But I'd vote to retain at least minimal support for the old slurs. At least for previewing. I started to teach non-tech people to typeset scores in M-Tx/PMX, there certainly will miss Yap. Alexander ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358) - headspace error!
Hi Don, Don Simons wrote: Alexander V. Voinov wrote: ... and for the short slurs old ones actually look better (slightly, but it's detectable). And these are majority, even in our choral music where a lexem may by sung in 15 measures. I've already commented to Stanislav that the short slurs seem too light, and suggested it would be nice at least to be able to optionally change the thickness from the default. Why do you think the old ones are better? I didn't mean thickness. I my concrete example old slurs have more regular curves, smoother, finer. Maybe it's an effect of converting from PS to PDF via Acrobat Distiller, I don't know. Opinions about stuff like this are valuable to the developers. When you see the resulting PDF on the screen the slurs look too finalish :-). Is it possible to antialias them, or it's too much a demand? Alexander ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
RE: [TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358) - headspace error!
Alexander V. Voinov wrote But I'd vote to retain at least minimal support for the old slurs. I'm not going to throw anything away that's already there. I'm just not going to add any new functionality...I've made separate subroutines for postscript and font-based slur input and output (4 subroutines). The font-based ones are unlikely to change. --Don Simons ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358) - newbie pssluruser
Propably i misinstalled the psslur system, i cannot get them right. I tested this code and the result in postscript (25k) is on http://users.pandora.be/avr/ My question is: am i the only one with this result and in that case what i have done wrong? Andre 11 3 8 0 0 0 0 1 1 20 0.07 t ./ Ap \\input musixps\ c15 s g c- s e e e / = ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
RE: [TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358) - newbie pssluruser
Andre Van Ryckeghem wrote Propably i misinstalled the psslur system, i cannot get them right. I tested this code and the result in postscript (25k) is on http://users.pandora.be/avr/ My question is: am i the only one with this result and in that case what i have done wrong? Andre 11 3 8 0 0 0 0 1 1 20 0.07 t ./ Ap \\input musixps\ c15 s g c- s e e e / = 1. When I downloaded the pmx file at your url, I got an empty file. 2. The postscript file does look pretty awful. 3. When I process the file you quoted above, it works fine. 4. You don't need to \input musixps; PMX will do that for you when you issue Ap. Have you downloaded the most recent musixps.tex, psslurs.pro, and PMX executable? Are they in the right places? Are you sure there aren't any other copies of any of these files lurking in other places? Have you updated your filename database? Beyond that, I don't know what more to suggest. Maybe someone else has some more ideas. --Don Simons ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358) - newbie pssluruser
Hi Don Don Simons wrote: Have you downloaded the most recent musixps.tex, psslurs.pro, and PMX executable? Do you mean this all is not in the package you announced? Alexander ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
[TeX-music] Postscript slurs, New PMX Beta (Version 2.358)
The archive now has an updated version (0.92) of Stanislav Kneifl's postscript slur package http://icking-music-archive.sunsite.dk/software/musixtex/slur-ps.zip Along with this, there is a new PMX beta 2.358 that incorporates more of the functionality of the wonderful new slurs. http://icking-music-archive.sunsite.dk/software/pmx/pmx2358.zip In fact they are so wonderful that I don't plan to provide any further enhancements in PMX for font-based slurs/ties; from now on, if you want the good stuff, you'll have to use Ap. For example, now true ties will be activated by either t or st (they are shaped differently from slurs), whereas with font-based slurs PMX will only use slur characters. musixps.tex now provides the ability to switch halftie usage on or off (this only affects the 2nd part of linebreak ties), and automatic height adjustments on or off either locally (next slur/tie opened) or globally. In the TeX package, the defaults are \Sluradjust\Notieadjust\halfties. However I have decided to make the PMX defaults \Nosluradjust\Notieadjust\nohalfties. As you'll see below, if you don't like that you can change it globally in PMX with options to the A command. This is still a beta release and subject to change. After a reasonable time for feedback, bug reports, etc., I'll move on to Version 2.4 with a full updating of the docs. Here are the changes in PMX2.358: With postscript slurs Ap, set PMX defaults \Nosluradjust\Notieadjust\nohalfties. With postscript slurs, t or st gives true ties. Allow curvature corrections f,h,H,HH at start of postscript slur. Local postscript slur/tie options in slur/tie commands: p[+|-][s|t] for [nos|s]luradjust,[not|t]ieadjust. Global postscript slur/tie options: Ap[+|-][s|t|h] for [Nos|S]luradjust,[Not|T]ieadjust,[noh|h]alfties. Allow index on postscript ties t[index] or s[index]t NOTE! Cannot use same index for slur and tie open at same time. Bugfix: Corrects error when xtup starts with rest. Bugfix: Add spacing for ornament ) as if it were flag. With Ap, st slurs will become postscript ties. Non-beamed xtup: option a in 1st note or rest of xtup, before x. Allow two text dynamics Dx on same note. --Don Simons ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
