Re: [ot_caving] government rebate check
I plan to help fund an Roth IRA for 2008 with the funds... Bill - Original Message - From: "David" To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:19 PM Subject: [ot_caving] government rebate check > What are you going to spend your $ 600 or $ 1,200 check on? > > If every caver donated their check to ICS, wouldn't that be nice? > > or how about Punkin Cave or Robber Baron? > > I bet a few people buy plasma TV's. Walmart and others have > a 32 inch mode for $ 537, so plus tax that get's you a TV, with enough > left over to order popcorn. > > Most people will just buy scratch off ticks, lottery tickets, a trip to the > casino, a table dance, or a cheap set of shiny chrome wheels for their > car, a dimebag of crack, etc. > > We are simply borrowing money from our grandkids to let the rif-raf > buy whatever they want.Many immigrants will qualify for this > somehow, even if they are living south of the border. > > I will certainly buy a chinese made LED head-lamp. > > David Locklear > > - > Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com > - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] government rebate check
What are you going to spend your $ 600 or $ 1,200 check on? If every caver donated their check to ICS, wouldn't that be nice? or how about Punkin Cave or Robber Baron? I bet a few people buy plasma TV's. Walmart and others have a 32 inch mode for $ 537, so plus tax that get's you a TV, with enough left over to order popcorn. Most people will just buy scratch off ticks, lottery tickets, a trip to the casino, a table dance, or a cheap set of shiny chrome wheels for their car, a dimebag of crack, etc. We are simply borrowing money from our grandkids to let the rif-raf buy whatever they want.Many immigrants will qualify for this somehow, even if they are living south of the border. I will certainly buy a chinese made LED head-lamp. David Locklear - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Body Painting
One more point. Albeit caving related only through inclusion in 50 years ---. Carl also said: >> "painting" was merely using the body of a willing volunteer to smear paint Ah!! "Smear"!!! For such a precision gunsmith to fail to recognize the technical details!! Loren was quick to point out that latex paint is thyxotropic. That means that when pressure is applied, the fluid (latex paint in this case) becomes less viscous and more fluid. That is the magic that allows latex paint to be applied using a roller. (ref: http://ci.nii.ac.jp/naid/110002988809/) In the case under discussion, the variations in the human skin organ create delicate and exquisite variations in pressure translated into artistic visualization when the skin organ is used as a painting implement. This becomes very apparent when body painting is applied to a firm, uniform surface, such as the side panel of TR's camper. Unfortunately, the family sensibilities of the NSS attendees in Springfield in 1968 required that TinkerBelle wear abbreviated items of cloth, which significantly detracted from the effect of the body painting. Loren was able to demonstrate, in more private location of Grode Hollow (Grode/Groad - ah more vagaries of the spelling and folklore by Texas cavers) the more delicate and artistic results of using unclothed female body parts. Humph!! "Smear!" Indeed!! For shame, for your choice of words, Carl. "Merely" does not even warrant comment. DirtDoc - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] RE: Spéléo Magazine
Louise, >I just went into through the main site, http://www.speleomag.com/ , and worked >my way to the balloon photos. It's only a step or two extra and the pics are >well worth it. I had already tried that. Again I got a blank screen. I've used that strategy before too. But then I remembered another strategy that often works, and that is to use a different browser. As soon as I tried Mozilla Firefox (instead of Internet Explorer) it worked. Yay! Thanks for the suggestions! Mark Minton
Re: [Texascavers] The picture on page 317
I apologize! Now that you point it out, that is really pretty serious. Dirtdoc -- Original message -- From: "Carl Kunath" > That picture was included in the "Serious Side" section in the portion > dealing > with the Texas caver's activities in Mexico. On the facing page begins a > long > quotation from Frank Binney about his first encounters with some of the > fabled > Texas/Mexico cavers that ends with a comment about the painting of T.R. > Evan's > truck during a somewhat raucous evening at the 1968 Springfield NSS > convention. > The psychedelic AMCS logo on the side of the camper had been applied earlier. > > The additional "painting" was merely using the body of a willing volunteer to > smear paint on the hood, roof of the cab. etc. This was the summer of 1968 > and > such antics were still a novelty in most parts of the country. Those were > the > daze! - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] RE: [Caving in Star Trek]
"Fusion pitons" don't seem within the realm of possibility but why not a form of peel and stick, highly improved super glue for wet or dry surfaces. Get to work scientiests. Old enough but not a Treckie (?). Fritz _ From: Minton, Mark [mailto:mmin...@nmhu.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:36 PM To: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] RE: [Caving in Star Trek] I remember an episode of one of the Star Trek series, possibly Next Generation, where they were in a cave and came to a pit. For rigging they had "fusion pitons" or some such. Just placed them against the rock and they melted their way in. That would make bolt climbs pretty easy! :-) Mark Minton
[Texascavers] The picture on page 317
That picture was included in the "Serious Side" section in the portion dealing with the Texas caver's activities in Mexico. On the facing page begins a long quotation from Frank Binney about his first encounters with some of the fabled Texas/Mexico cavers that ends with a comment about the painting of T.R. Evan's truck during a somewhat raucous evening at the 1968 Springfield NSS convention. The psychedelic AMCS logo on the side of the camper had been applied earlier. The additional "painting" was merely using the body of a willing volunteer to smear paint on the hood, roof of the cab. etc. This was the summer of 1968 and such antics were still a novelty in most parts of the country. Those were the daze! ===Carl Kunath - Original Message - From: dirt...@comcast.net To: David ; Texas Cavers Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Baloons in Caves I seem to recall that back in the late 1960's (around the time of the 1968 Springfield MO convention), Jack Hershand was developing Marvel Cave and hatching his ideas for Branson, MO. One of his early promotional photos included a balloon (I think Hot Air, at least something with a passenger gondola) in the cave, probably in the Cathedral Room. Anybody else remember that? While on memory row, that was also the convention when Dwight and Sandy Deal, Squire and Nancy Lewis, and Loren Bolinger established the original Grode Hollow of disreputable old-farts, and Loren painted the first Grode Hollow sign. The slogan was: Even the flys don't like Katz Boch" (the cheapest beer available at 99 cents a 6-pack). And, of course, TR Evans brought copious quantities of Lab-O to spike the green slime, which decimated the unwary, and Loren used TinkerBell's body to paint TR's truck (see p. 317 in 50 years --). I'm not exactly sure why Carl included that under his title of "Serious Side of Texas Caving". Probably because it was an image just too good not to use somewhere. DirtDoc - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 12:00 AM
[Texascavers] RE: [Caving in Star Trek]
I remember an episode of one of the Star Trek series, possibly Next Generation, where they were in a cave and came to a pit. For rigging they had "fusion pitons" or some such. Just placed them against the rock and they melted their way in. That would make bolt climbs pretty easy! :-) Mark Minton
RE: [Texascavers] [Caving in Star Trek]
Maybe the TSS should publish "The Caves of the Federation od Planets"or perhaps the ICS should change it name to the Intergalactic Conference of Speleology. Travis could set up conference trips to lava tubes on Mars or the moon. Maybe NASA could be enlisted as a sponsor and provide transport. Don Arburn wrote: > Star Trek: Enterprise > "the Breach" > 2003 > Caving throughout most of this episode, including the use of words > like "spelothem"! > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] [Caving in Star Trek]
Star Trek: Enterprise "the Breach" 2003 Caving throughout most of this episode, including the use of words like "spelothem"! - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [ot_caving] truck news
No, David, but I've heard of the TomKat. Driven by too loonies named Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes. Designed by L. Ron Hubbard and powered by the Church of Scientology (not to be confused with the Church of The Sub Genius. May Bob be praised!) Whoa, that went off on a weird tangent! Now back to our regularly scheduled discussion. Mark -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:08 PM To: o...@texascavers.com Subject: [ot_caving] truck news Have you ever heard of a TomCar? Check out model T-4 http://www.tomcar.com/ Or a Hummer pick-up truck: http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/11264_UXJDGPLQRWOBK.jpg It is supposed to be in dealer's showrooms by the end of the year. David Locklear - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] truck news
Have you ever heard of a TomCar? Check out model T-4 http://www.tomcar.com/ Or a Hummer pick-up truck: http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/11264_UXJDGPLQRWOBK.jpg It is supposed to be in dealer's showrooms by the end of the year. David Locklear - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] balloon in Marvel Cave
"The World's Underground Altitude Record was set in the Cathedral Room on July 7, 1963. Don Piccard, from the family of scientists and balloonists, achieved the record only four months after he made the first successful crossing of the English Channel in a hot-air balloon." From a little 1974 booklet about the show cave. There is a black-and-white photo of the ballon in the cave in the 1974 and later editions of that book. -- Bill Mixon -- You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [ot_caving] political news
Charles, David, While many do not agree with our current war effort, everyone should agree that the United States would not survive as a free and independent nation without a strong military force to defend our nation, our interests and our freedom. Those who don't believe this don't know history, are uninformed and are living in a dream world. I think that the Berkeley city council is wrong and that the recruiters are there for the public good. The college at Berkeley has long had a reputation for radical liberalism and apparently so do the city fathers. Waste in big government is enevitable as proper oversight of something this large is difficult if not impossible. Voting for those leaders at all levels of government who have DEMONSTRATED fiscal responsibility would help. Unfortunately, too many will vote the party ticket regardless of its philophosy. Fritz -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:51 AM To: David Cc: o...@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [ot_caving] political news David, while I don't agree with everything our military has been ordered to do recently (and for that matter, in the past), I support our troops. Our families are abroad, fighting for their country and are severely understaffed. The DoD is going to extremes trying to keep the soldiers from quitting when their tours are up. We do need those recruitment offices, to fill the ranks in our military. Really, this should tell our administration something, we are in a very unpopular war, it has lasted too long for many Americans likes. Because of this, we can't send more troops, but its what we need, more troops to win. Either that or just leave Iraq to crumble if we pull out totally. I really think most Americans were expecting a quick war like we had with Desert Storm back in the early 90's. Unfortunately, history has a habit of repeating itself and we are getting into another Vietnam situation. But back on subject, the DoD needs recruitment offices, otherwise we wouldn't have half the military we do have. just my $0.02 Charles On 2/7/08, David wrote: > Did you see on the news what is going on in Berkeley California? > > The city council has banned US military recruitment centers inside of > its city limits. > > Congress is bullying them, by threatening to withhold educational > funding to the University. > > Did anything like that ever happen during Vietnam? > > In my opinion, the military recruitment centers are a huge waste of tax money. > > Imagine if Exxon or some US giant corporation rented office space in a > shopping mall and paid 2 employees to sit there with there thumb up there > ass all day. Congress calls it - creating jobs, as in, "they > created 100,000 > jobs last year." > > I would imagine that from the perspective of the Berkelians, that they > are being harassed by a facist regime. > > David Locklear > > - > Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, > e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, > e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com > > - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Baloons in Caves
I seem to recall that back in the late 1960's (around the time of the 1968 Springfield MO convention), Jack Hershand was developing Marvel Cave and hatching his ideas for Branson, MO. One of his early promotional photos included a balloon (I think Hot Air, at least something with a passenger gondola) in the cave, probably in the Cathedral Room. Anybody else remember that? While on memory row, that was also the convention when Dwight and Sandy Deal, Squire and Nancy Lewis, and Loren Bolinger established the original Grode Hollow of disreputable old-farts, and Loren painted the first Grode Hollow sign. The slogan was: Even the flys don't like Katz Boch" (the cheapest beer available at 99 cents a 6-pack). And, of course, TR Evans brought copious quantities of Lab-O to spike the green slime, which decimated the unwary, and Loren used TinkerBell's body to paint TR's truck (see p. 317 in 50 years --). I'm not exactly sure why Carl included that under his title of "Serious Side of Texas Caving". Probably because it was an image just too good not to use somewhere. DirtDoc - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Photos of Gorman Cave
Thanks to all who responded. I think I have what I need. Bob Burnett Rune
Re: [ot_caving] political news
David, while I don't agree with everything our military has been ordered to do recently (and for that matter, in the past), I support our troops. Our families are abroad, fighting for their country and are severely understaffed. The DoD is going to extremes trying to keep the soldiers from quitting when their tours are up. We do need those recruitment offices, to fill the ranks in our military. Really, this should tell our administration something, we are in a very unpopular war, it has lasted too long for many Americans likes. Because of this, we can't send more troops, but its what we need, more troops to win. Either that or just leave Iraq to crumble if we pull out totally. I really think most Americans were expecting a quick war like we had with Desert Storm back in the early 90's. Unfortunately, history has a habit of repeating itself and we are getting into another Vietnam situation. But back on subject, the DoD needs recruitment offices, otherwise we wouldn't have half the military we do have. just my $0.02 Charles On 2/7/08, David wrote: > Did you see on the news what is going on in Berkeley California? > > The city council has banned US military recruitment centers inside > of its city limits. > > Congress is bullying them, by threatening to withhold educational > funding to the University. > > Did anything like that ever happen during Vietnam? > > In my opinion, the military recruitment centers are a huge waste of tax money. > > Imagine if Exxon or some US giant corporation rented office space in a > shopping mall and paid 2 employees to sit there with there thumb up there > ass all day. Congress calls it - creating jobs, as in, "they > created 100,000 > jobs last year." > > I would imagine that from the perspective of the Berkelians, that they > are being harassed by a facist regime. > > David Locklear > > - > Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com > >
[ot_caving] political news
Did you see on the news what is going on in Berkeley California? The city council has banned US military recruitment centers inside of its city limits. Congress is bullying them, by threatening to withhold educational funding to the University. Did anything like that ever happen during Vietnam? In my opinion, the military recruitment centers are a huge waste of tax money. Imagine if Exxon or some US giant corporation rented office space in a shopping mall and paid 2 employees to sit there with there thumb up there ass all day. Congress calls it - creating jobs, as in, "they created 100,000 jobs last year." I would imagine that from the perspective of the Berkelians, that they are being harassed by a facist regime. David Locklear - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Re: Spéléo Magazine
Try clicking on "Actualites Souterraines" below and to the left of the caver and then scrowl down till you see a hot-air balloon, Click on the ballon Then wait a few minutes for the slideshow. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] RE: Spéléo Magazine
David Locklear said: >http://www.speleomag.com/index0.html >Did they really fly a full-size hot-air balloon in a cave? Why? That link does not work for me. The page starts to load, but then fails. I tried it on two different computers on two different days. Maybe the site is down temporarily. Does anyone have a link to the hot air balloon part? Thanks! Mark Minton
[ot_caving] car news
Dodge dealers now have BlueTec diesel 4x4 trucks in stock. BlueTec is Mercedes most efficient technology for diesels. Rumors are that it will be in the diesel Cherokee next year. I still have not seen a 4x4 version of the diesel Cherokee. Has anybody else? Nissan dealers are now selling trucks with flex-fuel capability. Meaning they can run on 85 percent ethanol. I still haven't seen an ethanol pump yet. I have seen hybrid cars on used car lots. They are way too expensive. My theory is that people will lose money selling their hybrid cars, as the buyer will not want to pay extra for it, like when it is a new car. The buyer may also be concerned that the hybrid parts are needing replacement which is expensive. Truck Trend magazine this month has several interesting news articles on 2009 model cars, featuring a new improved hybrid Chevy Truck based on the alledged Chevy Hybrid Tahoe. I still haven't seen a hybrid Tahoe or Yukon, yet. Nor have a seen a hybrid Nissan Altima, Saturn Auro, Mercury Mariner, all of which are supposed to already be on the market. And the tiny Smart Car is supposed to be coming to the U.S. Honda cancelled the 2008 hybrid Accord. I don't think there were many 2007 models, as I think they stopped production of them early on. Does anybody else have any interesting car related news? David Locklear - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] more new LED lights
Walmart has at least 3 new LED lanterns by Coleman aimed at competing with the flourescent lanterns that they have had for many years. One of them has a crank to generate energy. The other collapses down to 1/2 its original size. And I think the other was a smaller lantern about 11" tall by 4 inches in diameter. They all use LED's point upward at a cone shaped shiny reflector. Here is an interesting story about Mr. Coleman: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE3D9163CF930A1575AC0A96E948260 Walmart also has a new LED flashlight, but it is way too expensive. They have a kids LED headlamp now. Choices of body colors are Red, Green and Blue. Few of the other headlamp models come in choices of colors. It should match the color of your nylon overalls, right? David Locklear - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] watch out for books
I want you all to watch for books out there in the wild. There are members: 638,200 around the world that set books free in fun places you might find one or more. The link below has photos of books on Schiehallion, Sgurr Eilde Mor, Spidean Coire Clach, Beinne Eighe, Toll Creagach and more. http://www.flickr.com/groups/610310@N25/ Schiehallion is a prominent mountain in Perth and Kinross, Scotland. It is popular with walkers due to its accessibility, ease of ascent and spectacular views; in 2000 it was estimated that between 17,500 and 20,000 walkers a year made the ascent.[1] Since 1999 the eastern side of the mountain has been owned by the John Muir Trust. shorten your book's shelf life BookCrossing Stats books registered: 4,540,222 good karma: priceless
[ot_caving] Taiga Works Hiking and Camping Gear
http://www.taigaworks.ca/
