Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
J. LaRue Thomas wrote: > I don't know if we can keep the "donation" going without the land > fund, anyway. Sure, TSA could still collect $1 a head (or a couple of dollars, but I wouldn't go $5) at its functions for worthy causes such as buying needed equipment, donating to conservation groups, etc. It doesn't need the land fund to do this -- just a line item in the TSA budget to keep track of the dough and what it's earmarked for. J. LaRue Thomas wrote: Fritz mentioned that the $1.00 a head is for 2 events. Actually, I think it is for all TSA projects, although sometimes we forget to collect and some folks think it's optional. I don't know if we can keep the "donation" going without the land fund, anyway. It makes sense to me to pay down the TCMA Punkin/Deep loan--if the fund is to be dispersed, let's get as much financial benefit as possible. Jacqui - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- * Reply to jjordenATtexoma.net (Change the AT to @) * - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Swimming at Pete and Jocie's
The Pond Party, (the big event of the summer), will be Saturday July 19th 2:00 to late nite ,. There will be Sunday Swims all five Sundays in June,2:00 to 6:00 or so. These are smaller events, with no organized food or drinks. There will be no Sunday Swim Fourth of July weekend due to Espeleocoahuila. There will be Sunday Swims July 13th and 27th. Any swims in August will depend on a lot of rain. For more info call Pete at 512-258-8384, or M 512-897-9235. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] I had no idea that I'd ever be on You Tube
Weight.What a story!! Preston in KY ___ - Original Message - From: "Charles Goldsmith" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] I had no idea that I'd ever be on You Tube You're famous! I've seen some other videos with you in them that should be posted to youtube :) On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:25 PM, wrote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4cK6N0TBPqQ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.3/1472 - Release Date: 5/29/2008 7:27 AM
Re: [Texascavers] I had no idea that I'd ever be on You Tube
You're famous! I've seen some other videos with you in them that should be posted to youtube :) On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:25 PM, wrote: > http://youtube.com/watch?v=4cK6N0TBPqQ
[Texascavers] I had no idea that I'd ever be on You Tube
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RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
Cathy, Your points are valid. I just saw them all as caving related and thought that most would want to contribute to this cause as it is a value added enhancement to their membership as all may utilize the facility. I am sure that the board will figure out the best solution. Fritz -Original Message- From: Catherine M Winfrey [mailto:cwinf...@io.com] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:46 AM To: Fritz Holt Cc: J. LaRue Thomas; Texascavers Mailing List Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation Technically speaking, Texas Cavers' Reunion is not a TSA function. The TCR is presented & hosted each year by the volunteers who call it the Texas Cavers Reunion. All formal and informal Texas caving organizations--- TSS TCMA TCC AMCS are always invited to attend, and they may make use of the opportunity presented by the high attendance to hold various board or membership meetings. Forcing all folks attending TCR to contribute to the TSA land fund, although a noble gesture, is a bit like forcing the restaurant where a grotto meeting is held to collect an extra $5 for everyone attending the meeting. Maybe you should charge the $5 against everyone attending the TSA meeting, which is held at TCR, to enhance the Land Fund. Or maybe you could consider a $10 surcharge to the TSA dues. -cathy > Jacqui, > I may hot have made myself clear. I meant to suggest that $5. per head be > collected at each of the two major annual functions, the convention and > TCR. With approximately 100 attending the convention and 300 at TCR, > $2,000. annually could be added to any other contributions to reduce the > Punkin/Deep indebtedness. I don't entirely understand the gift > requirement/restrictions but could TSA gift $7,500. to apply to > Punkin/Deep dept reduction and leave the remainder in the fund to be added > to with contributions and fees? > Fritz > > -Original Message- > From: J. LaRue Thomas [mailto:jlrbi...@sonoratx.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 5:26 AM > To: Texascavers Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund > Dispensation > > Fritz mentioned that the $1.00 a head is for 2 events. Actually, I think > it > is for all TSA projects, although sometimes we forget to collect and some > folks think it's optional. > > I don't know if we can keep the "donation" going without the land fund, > anyway. > > It makes sense to me to pay down the TCMA Punkin/Deep loan--if the fund is > to be dispersed, let's get as much financial benefit as possible. Jacqui > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [ot_caving] computer news - Vista related
You are probably right about the chipset and your dvd player, I usually stick with intel or asus mobo's and have never had a problem with ubuntu on them. As far as your root problem, give this a try: sudo -s when it prompts you for a password, put your password in, by default, the initial user for ubuntu has sudo access, and that gives you full root access... while its a minor security issue, it won't be at your house behind a firewall... once there, just do this: passwd root and set your root password once you are setup on root, you should be able to chown your second drive to your user account I never messed with any video capture cards or dvr with linux... but i understand there is a big following of mythbuntu... I actually put that on my media pc, but need to get some drives for it and start archiving my movies onto it. I don't know how it would work as a desktop, but I would think it would support your capture card On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Don Cooper wrote: > I actually did install Ubuntu on my fastest PC (AMD 64 3500+) which also has > a partition dedicated to Fedora 8 - so now its a "triple boot". > The UBUNTU version was touted as being installed from Windows. I took it to > mean that it would switch back and forth between one and the other - but not > so. Not without a reboot. Also - although it seemed really 'eager and able' > to resolve driver problems I had with my DVD player - it was not successful, > no more so than Fedora. Maybe I shouldn't have gone for such a cheap ($40) > motherboard - I'm thinking maybe the chipset is my problem - (though it does > all work with Windows XP pro) > Another problem with UBUNTU - I dont get it - there seems to not be a way to > access the thing as root! As it won't allow me to access the largest data > partition on my second hard drive because I'm not root... no mp3s - which > there are about 100 gig worth on that hard drive. > During setup, there was no mention of root or supervisory password. Maybe > it just "flashed by" I'm mysterio'd by that. I did load a "root command > console" utility - I haven't yet tried that out. > Weird as well is the way you mount that big data partition when running > Fedora and Ubuntu - its WAYYY non intuitive - the old process of mounting a > /dev/hdb5 (for example) partition that you'd track down in fdisk and setup > with fstab is not "valid". Instead - you go to a "home" window select > "media" and you'd find those unmounted partitions in there. I dunno - it > looks like Linux is being muddled by making it more "user friendly". I > don't think "df -aH" gives me a clear picture of hard drive usage anymore. > I dont see how I'd do it in a non-graphic mode now. > One more thing I'd like to find that did work on Red Hat Linux 9 - was a > television card support utility for my 12 year old Hauppage PC TV card. It > found me - I didnt have to find it! > I havent exactly made an exhaustive search for one - Usually I'd rather be > running an environment that runs all my stuff at once - rather than trying > to make it do so > > I should probably get an even newer machine to hack on - to develop as my > ideal environment (yet for most of the time - I'm SO enjoying watching > streaming video of "The Office" and "Lost" on the 'fast desktop') - but > other investments have priority. > > -WaV > In the time of Chimpanzees I was a Monkey > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Charles Goldsmith > wrote: >> >> Don, that was just an excuse, sure there have been a varying amount of >> exploits that utilized buffer overflows, but those get fixed rather >> quickly. The linux kernel is an evolving animal, with changes and >> fixes coming out almost daily. I monitor several security mailing >> lists, that cover linux, windows and mac. I haven't seen a kernel >> exploit in years come across the list, and you won't find any real >> geek shying away from the best tool for its job, which is linux a lot >> of the time. >> >> I'm not aware of any good BSD live cd's, but I haven't looked for one >> either. There are 3 main flavors of the BSD derived opensource, >> FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. FreeBSD is the bigger of them and has >> the most development and install base. However, it is not really >> suited for a desktop machine. While it has the functionality, only >> the more proficient UNIX users can make it work the way they want. I >> ran it as my desktop at work for about 3 years. This mailing list is >> hosted on a FreeBSD server, but it doesn't use xwindows for the >> server. >> >> For a UNIX desktop, I prefer Ubuntu, and since I like KDE over Gnome >> (just a personal preference), I use Kubuntu. While its not BSD, but >> true Linux, it is probably the easiest desktop Linux to get going, it >> has a large install base, lots of development going on and they >> religiously release major updates every 6 months. They are currently >> on release 8.04 (year and month released, April 2008) and you'll >> like
Re: [ot_caving] computer news - Vista related
I've never messed with a mini, but it's a mac, so should be good :) I have a logitech pc keyboard and kensington trakball on my mac, neither are mac centric. The windows key becomes the apple key and all is good. I went with m$ office, only because of compatibility and I got a trip to the m$ store here in Dallas from our work rep, so got it on the cheap. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Louise Power wrote: > I'm getting ready to invest in a new mac mini. Does anybody have experience > with this one? I've been mac-ing since 1988, but use a pc at work. I have > two ancient macs at home that aren't worth upgrading. > > Does anybody have any experience with the Goldtouch ergo keyboard Mac now > shows on their site. I really need an ergo keyboard. Years and years of > typing have really taken their toll. > > Also, what kind of mouse to go with? > > Also, besides $$$, what about iWork instead of mac versions of Word, Excel, > etc? > > Louise > > > > Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 01:27:00 -0500 > From: wavyca...@gmail.com > To: wo...@justfamily.org > CC: qui...@clearwire.net; dlocklea...@gmail.com; o...@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [ot_caving] computer news - Vista related > > Charles - > Is the 'buffer overflow' vulnerability still an issue or is that ancient > history? I never quite understood how it could be exploited - I cannot > imagine how such an attack could make it past a firewall or even a router > anyhow... > It was one of my former IT bosses big excuse for not using implementing > Linux anywhere. > > And can you guide me to an up-to-date ISO image for a "live BSD Unix"? [The > BSD logo is the little demon (my guess - a visual acronym for 'daemon')?] > The only repositories I could find were at least two years old. > I think it would be cool to eventually make a PC work "just like a Mac". > (It brings to mind an image of the stuffy PC guy in the Mac commercial being > moved around like a puppet by the Mac guy). > -WaV > > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Charles Goldsmith > wrote: > > As Quitna stated, her new computer came with Vista, and most computer > manufacturers aren't developing XP drivers anymore. So with some > computers (especially laptops), you can't even downgrade to XP. > > Work gave me a laptop with Vista, I haven't had any problems with it, > just having to learn where things are. Wireless support (for my job) > is a pain, I've been fighting the security for its wireless all week. > > I have a mac here at home, I love it. I also have an XP box too, but > I use my mac more. I love not having to worry about spyware, rootkits > and anti-virus for the mac. It's possible that we'll get that stuff > in the future, but I doubt it. Mac OSX is based on BSD UNIX, and > using the UNIX file security, it should be pretty virus proof. > > Charles > > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Don Cooper wrote: >> Hmmm - maybe you should try Apple OS X.. >> -WaV >> >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 4:58 PM, wrote: >>> >>> Vista was loaded on a computer I bought ( the old clunker died) and I was >>> not sure I would like it but I would not go back to XP now. >>> Quinta >> > >
Re: [ot_caving] computer news - Vista related
I actually did install Ubuntu on my fastest PC (AMD 64 3500+) which also has a partition dedicated to Fedora 8 - so now its a "triple boot". The UBUNTU version was touted as being installed from Windows. I took it to mean that it would switch back and forth between one and the other - but not so. Not without a reboot. Also - although it seemed really 'eager and able' to resolve driver problems I had with my DVD player - it was not successful, no more so than Fedora. Maybe I shouldn't have gone for such a cheap ($40) motherboard - I'm thinking maybe the chipset is my problem - (though it does all work with Windows XP pro) Another problem with UBUNTU - I dont get it - there seems to not be a way to access the thing as root! As it won't allow me to access the largest data partition on my second hard drive because I'm not root... no mp3s - which there are about 100 gig worth on that hard drive. During setup, there was no mention of root or supervisory password. Maybe it just "flashed by" I'm mysterio'd by that. I did load a "root command console" utility - I haven't yet tried that out. Weird as well is the way you mount that big data partition when running Fedora and Ubuntu - its WAYYY non intuitive - the old process of mounting a /dev/hdb5 (for example) partition that you'd track down in fdisk and setup with fstab is not "valid". Instead - you go to a "home" window select "media" and you'd find those unmounted partitions in there. I dunno - it looks like Linux is being muddled by making it more "user friendly". I don't think "df -aH" gives me a clear picture of hard drive usage anymore. I dont see how I'd do it in a non-graphic mode now. One more thing I'd like to find that did work on *Red Hat Linux 9* - was a television card support utility for my 12 year old Hauppage PC TV card. It found me - I didnt have to find it! I havent exactly made an exhaustive search for one - Usually I'd rather be running an environment that runs all my stuff at once - rather than trying to make it do so I should probably get an even newer machine to hack on - to develop as my ideal environment (yet for most of the time - I'm SO enjoying watching streaming video of "The Office" and "Lost" on the 'fast desktop') - but other investments have priority. -WaV In the time of Chimpanzees I was a Monkey On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > Don, that was just an excuse, sure there have been a varying amount of > exploits that utilized buffer overflows, but those get fixed rather > quickly. The linux kernel is an evolving animal, with changes and > fixes coming out almost daily. I monitor several security mailing > lists, that cover linux, windows and mac. I haven't seen a kernel > exploit in years come across the list, and you won't find any real > geek shying away from the best tool for its job, which is linux a lot > of the time. > > I'm not aware of any good BSD live cd's, but I haven't looked for one > either. There are 3 main flavors of the BSD derived opensource, > FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. FreeBSD is the bigger of them and has > the most development and install base. However, it is not really > suited for a desktop machine. While it has the functionality, only > the more proficient UNIX users can make it work the way they want. I > ran it as my desktop at work for about 3 years. This mailing list is > hosted on a FreeBSD server, but it doesn't use xwindows for the > server. > > For a UNIX desktop, I prefer Ubuntu, and since I like KDE over Gnome > (just a personal preference), I use Kubuntu. While its not BSD, but > true Linux, it is probably the easiest desktop Linux to get going, it > has a large install base, lots of development going on and they > religiously release major updates every 6 months. They are currently > on release 8.04 (year and month released, April 2008) and you'll > likely see 8.10 hit in October. The install cd for ubuntu is a live > cd, but it has limited functionality, if you want a fully featured > live cd, try out http://knoppix.net/ > > Astute readers will notice that knoppix is based on Debian, and so is > Ubuntu. Knoppix is one of those tools that many geeks carry around > for troubleshooting windows computers :) You can also setup Knoppix > as your desktop, and carry around a usb stick with your knoppix cd > with your personal preferences and settings. That way you can use > almost anyones computer, and have your desktop come with you. > > I've never done this, but its one of its selling points. I've used > knoppix on half a dozen different computers and it has always detected > everything that I needed, mainly video (so that you didn't get stuck > with 640x480 resolution) and the network card so that internet access > was available. > > Hit me with any questions from all of this rambling :) > Charles > > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Don Cooper wrote: > > Charles - > > Is the 'buffer overflow' vulnerability still an issue or is that anc
RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
Technically speaking, Texas Cavers' Reunion is not a TSA function. The TCR is presented & hosted each year by the volunteers who call it the Texas Cavers Reunion. All formal and informal Texas caving organizations--- TSS TCMA TCC AMCS are always invited to attend, and they may make use of the opportunity presented by the high attendance to hold various board or membership meetings. Forcing all folks attending TCR to contribute to the TSA land fund, although a noble gesture, is a bit like forcing the restaurant where a grotto meeting is held to collect an extra $5 for everyone attending the meeting. Maybe you should charge the $5 against everyone attending the TSA meeting, which is held at TCR, to enhance the Land Fund. Or maybe you could consider a $10 surcharge to the TSA dues. -cathy > Jacqui, > I may hot have made myself clear. I meant to suggest that $5. per head be > collected at each of the two major annual functions, the convention and > TCR. With approximately 100 attending the convention and 300 at TCR, > $2,000. annually could be added to any other contributions to reduce the > Punkin/Deep indebtedness. I don't entirely understand the gift > requirement/restrictions but could TSA gift $7,500. to apply to > Punkin/Deep dept reduction and leave the remainder in the fund to be added > to with contributions and fees? > Fritz > > -Original Message- > From: J. LaRue Thomas [mailto:jlrbi...@sonoratx.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 5:26 AM > To: Texascavers Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund > Dispensation > > Fritz mentioned that the $1.00 a head is for 2 events. Actually, I think > it > is for all TSA projects, although sometimes we forget to collect and some > folks think it's optional. > > I don't know if we can keep the "donation" going without the land fund, > anyway. > > It makes sense to me to pay down the TCMA Punkin/Deep loan--if the fund is > to be dispersed, let's get as much financial benefit as possible. Jacqui > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
Joe wanted me to post this to CaveTex, as he is out of pocket. Mark From: jran...@gmail.com [mailto:jran...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Joe Ranzau Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:31 AM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP Subject: Fwd: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation Cant post to Cavetex from here but you might want to clarify that TCR is not a TSA event so there cant be a charge. Also that the point is to do away with the fund so there will be no need for any fundraising. -- Forwarded message -- From: J. LaRue Thomas List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation To: Fritz Holt , Texascavers Mailing List I was thinking you meant the $1.00 at TSA projects could go up to $5.00 & would include TSA Conventions and TCR. I get it now. Jacq. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [ot_caving] personal - medical
Ed, Now I'd like to see the radiogram of that flashlight, maybe we should ask him to send it to us, Diana On May 29, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Ed Goff wrote: oh, so he doesn't have radiation poisoning! he just got a cat scan. i was thinking perhaps the russians had been monitoring texascavers and sent him a polonium-laced tamale. maybe he just has a flashlight stuck in his colon. thanks for forwarding, charles! ed -- Forwarded message -- From: David Date: Tue, May 27, 2008 at 7:54 AM Subject: [ot_caving] personal - medical To: o...@texascavers.com Someone recently mentioned that it sucks getting old. Friday after work, I would have liked to have loaded up the car and gone on a 3 day road trip. Instead, I spent the late afternoon at a clinic. I had to get a CAT scan of my abdominal area. The hardest part of the exam, was I don't give blood easily, and as usual it took several needles to get it. One of the needles under the knuckle was the most painful of the bunch. Then they made me drink almost a quart of liquid that was similar to Kaopectate, except it tasted a little like drinking paint. I was told that the radiation I received was equivalent to the normal radiation I would receive over a 3 year period. So, I guess I need to go underground for a while to hide from the solar rays. The doctor should get the results today. I have an annoying pain in the left colon area. I think it is a pulled muscle. The bad news so far, is that my insurance paid only paid $ 150 of the the $ 1,200 exam. There goes my LED light budget for the next few months. My only other news, is that I have not had a drop of carbonated water in 5 months. I am fighting my addiction to Dr. Pepper, Coca Cola, etc. I saw the Indiana Jones movie this weekend. It is really hard to go to the movie and not drink a soda. Or is that just me?I thought the movie was over-rated and some of the CGI in the movie was just a little too far fetched. It seemed obvious that there will be at least one more sequel if not 2 more. It was $ 18.50 for my wife and I to attend the movie. Maybe that is why I didn't enjoy it. David Locklear - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax)
RE: [ot_caving] computer news - Vista related
I'm getting ready to invest in a new mac mini. Does anybody have experience with this one? I've been mac-ing since 1988, but use a pc at work. I have two ancient macs at home that aren't worth upgrading. Does anybody have any experience with the Goldtouch ergo keyboard Mac now shows on their site. I really need an ergo keyboard. Years and years of typing have really taken their toll. Also, what kind of mouse to go with? Also, besides $$$, what about iWork instead of mac versions of Word, Excel, etc? Louise List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 01:27:00 -0500From: wavycaver@gmail.comTo: wokka@justfamily.orgCC: qui...@clearwire.net; dlocklea...@gmail.com; ot@texascavers.comSubject: Re: [ot_caving] computer news - Vista relatedCharles -Is the 'buffer overflow' vulnerability still an issue or is that ancient history? I never quite understood how it could be exploited - I cannot imagine how such an attack could make it past a firewall or even a router anyhow...It was one of my former IT bosses big excuse for not using implementing Linux anywhere.And can you guide me to an up-to-date ISO image for a "live BSD Unix"? [The BSD logo is the little demon (my guess - a visual acronym for 'daemon')?] The only repositories I could find were at least two years old.I think it would be cool to eventually make a PC work "just like a Mac". (It brings to mind an image of the stuffy PC guy in the Mac commercial being moved around like a puppet by the Mac guy).-WaV On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: As Quitna stated, her new computer came with Vista, and most computermanufacturers aren't developing XP drivers anymore. So with somecomputers (especially laptops), you can't even downgrade to XP.Work gave me a laptop with Vista, I haven't had any problems with it,just having to learn where things are. Wireless support (for my job)is a pain, I've been fighting the security for its wireless all week.I have a mac here at home, I love it. I also have an XP box too, butI use my mac more. I love not having to worry about spyware, rootkitsand anti-virus for the mac. It's possible that we'll get that stuffin the future, but I doubt it. Mac OSX is based on BSD UNIX, andusing the UNIX file security, it should be pretty virus proof.Charles On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Don Cooper wrote:> Hmmm - maybe you should try Apple OS X..> -WaV>> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 4:58 PM, wrote: Vista was loaded on a computer I bought ( the old clunker died) and I was>> not sure I would like it but I would not go back to XP now.>> Quinta>
Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
I was thinking you meant the $1.00 at TSA projects could go up to $5.00 & would include TSA Conventions and TCR. I get it now. Jacq. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [ot_caving] web movies
Doesn't everyone. It made him a star. Fritz -Original Message- From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 7:31 AM To: Fritz Holt; David; o...@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [ot_caving] web movies My favorite is "Ben Hur". Love that chariot race! Mark -Original Message- From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 5:16 PM To: David; o...@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [ot_caving] web movies I enjoy good and realistic westerns and being a life NRA member, my favorite Charlton Heston movie was "Will Penny". Fritz -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 12:13 PM To: o...@texascavers.com Subject: [ot_caving] web movies This is news to me, but maybe not to you all: Google Video has entire movies on-line that you can watch for free any time you want. For example, Here is Charlton Heston in 1973 in my favorite movie "Soylent Green." http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1296155071179146825 I believe you need a high speed connection to watch it and it is about 1 hour 37 minutes long. Imagine if the resolution was better, and that you could watch it on a small portable broadband TV, and imagine if every good movie ever made was easily available for free. David - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
Jacqui, I may hot have made myself clear. I meant to suggest that $5. per head be collected at each of the two major annual functions, the convention and TCR. With approximately 100 attending the convention and 300 at TCR, $2,000. annually could be added to any other contributions to reduce the Punkin/Deep indebtedness. I don't entirely understand the gift requirement/restrictions but could TSA gift $7,500. to apply to Punkin/Deep dept reduction and leave the remainder in the fund to be added to with contributions and fees? Fritz -Original Message- From: J. LaRue Thomas [mailto:jlrbi...@sonoratx.net] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 5:26 AM To: Texascavers Mailing List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation Fritz mentioned that the $1.00 a head is for 2 events. Actually, I think it is for all TSA projects, although sometimes we forget to collect and some folks think it's optional. I don't know if we can keep the "donation" going without the land fund, anyway. It makes sense to me to pay down the TCMA Punkin/Deep loan--if the fund is to be dispersed, let's get as much financial benefit as possible. Jacqui - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [ot_caving] computer news - Vista related
Don, that was just an excuse, sure there have been a varying amount of exploits that utilized buffer overflows, but those get fixed rather quickly. The linux kernel is an evolving animal, with changes and fixes coming out almost daily. I monitor several security mailing lists, that cover linux, windows and mac. I haven't seen a kernel exploit in years come across the list, and you won't find any real geek shying away from the best tool for its job, which is linux a lot of the time. I'm not aware of any good BSD live cd's, but I haven't looked for one either. There are 3 main flavors of the BSD derived opensource, FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. FreeBSD is the bigger of them and has the most development and install base. However, it is not really suited for a desktop machine. While it has the functionality, only the more proficient UNIX users can make it work the way they want. I ran it as my desktop at work for about 3 years. This mailing list is hosted on a FreeBSD server, but it doesn't use xwindows for the server. For a UNIX desktop, I prefer Ubuntu, and since I like KDE over Gnome (just a personal preference), I use Kubuntu. While its not BSD, but true Linux, it is probably the easiest desktop Linux to get going, it has a large install base, lots of development going on and they religiously release major updates every 6 months. They are currently on release 8.04 (year and month released, April 2008) and you'll likely see 8.10 hit in October. The install cd for ubuntu is a live cd, but it has limited functionality, if you want a fully featured live cd, try out http://knoppix.net/ Astute readers will notice that knoppix is based on Debian, and so is Ubuntu. Knoppix is one of those tools that many geeks carry around for troubleshooting windows computers :) You can also setup Knoppix as your desktop, and carry around a usb stick with your knoppix cd with your personal preferences and settings. That way you can use almost anyones computer, and have your desktop come with you. I've never done this, but its one of its selling points. I've used knoppix on half a dozen different computers and it has always detected everything that I needed, mainly video (so that you didn't get stuck with 640x480 resolution) and the network card so that internet access was available. Hit me with any questions from all of this rambling :) Charles On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:27 AM, Don Cooper wrote: > Charles - > Is the 'buffer overflow' vulnerability still an issue or is that ancient > history? I never quite understood how it could be exploited - I cannot > imagine how such an attack could make it past a firewall or even a router > anyhow... > It was one of my former IT bosses big excuse for not using implementing > Linux anywhere. > > And can you guide me to an up-to-date ISO image for a "live BSD Unix"? [The > BSD logo is the little demon (my guess - a visual acronym for 'daemon')?] > The only repositories I could find were at least two years old. > I think it would be cool to eventually make a PC work "just like a Mac". > (It brings to mind an image of the stuffy PC guy in the Mac commercial being > moved around like a puppet by the Mac guy). > -WaV > > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Charles Goldsmith > wrote: >> >> As Quitna stated, her new computer came with Vista, and most computer >> manufacturers aren't developing XP drivers anymore. So with some >> computers (especially laptops), you can't even downgrade to XP. >> >> Work gave me a laptop with Vista, I haven't had any problems with it, >> just having to learn where things are. Wireless support (for my job) >> is a pain, I've been fighting the security for its wireless all week. >> >> I have a mac here at home, I love it. I also have an XP box too, but >> I use my mac more. I love not having to worry about spyware, rootkits >> and anti-virus for the mac. It's possible that we'll get that stuff >> in the future, but I doubt it. Mac OSX is based on BSD UNIX, and >> using the UNIX file security, it should be pretty virus proof. >> >> Charles >> >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Don Cooper wrote: >> > Hmmm - maybe you should try Apple OS X.. >> > -WaV >> > >> > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 4:58 PM, wrote: >> >> >> >> Vista was loaded on a computer I bought ( the old clunker died) and I >> >> was >> >> not sure I would like it but I would not go back to XP now. >> >> Quinta >> > > >
Re: [ot_caving] personal - medical
oh, so he doesn't have radiation poisoning! he just got a cat scan. i was thinking perhaps the russians had been monitoring texascavers and sent him a polonium-laced tamale. maybe he just has a flashlight stuck in his colon. thanks for forwarding, charles! ed -- Forwarded message -- From: David Date: Tue, May 27, 2008 at 7:54 AM Subject: [ot_caving] personal - medical To: o...@texascavers.com Someone recently mentioned that it sucks getting old. Friday after work, I would have liked to have loaded up the car and gone on a 3 day road trip. Instead, I spent the late afternoon at a clinic. I had to get a CAT scan of my abdominal area. The hardest part of the exam, was I don't give blood easily, and as usual it took several needles to get it. One of the needles under the knuckle was the most painful of the bunch. Then they made me drink almost a quart of liquid that was similar to Kaopectate, except it tasted a little like drinking paint. I was told that the radiation I received was equivalent to the normal radiation I would receive over a 3 year period. So, I guess I need to go underground for a while to hide from the solar rays. The doctor should get the results today. I have an annoying pain in the left colon area. I think it is a pulled muscle. The bad news so far, is that my insurance paid only paid $ 150 of the the $ 1,200 exam. There goes my LED light budget for the next few months. My only other news, is that I have not had a drop of carbonated water in 5 months. I am fighting my addiction to Dr. Pepper, Coca Cola, etc. I saw the Indiana Jones movie this weekend. It is really hard to go to the movie and not drink a soda. Or is that just me?I thought the movie was over-rated and some of the CGI in the movie was just a little too far fetched. It seemed obvious that there will be at least one more sequel if not 2 more. It was $ 18.50 for my wife and I to attend the movie. Maybe that is why I didn't enjoy it. David Locklear - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [ot_caving] web movies
My favorite is "Ben Hur". Love that chariot race! Mark -Original Message- From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 5:16 PM To: David; o...@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [ot_caving] web movies I enjoy good and realistic westerns and being a life NRA member, my favorite Charlton Heston movie was "Will Penny". Fritz -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 12:13 PM To: o...@texascavers.com Subject: [ot_caving] web movies This is news to me, but maybe not to you all: Google Video has entire movies on-line that you can watch for free any time you want. For example, Here is Charlton Heston in 1973 in my favorite movie "Soylent Green." http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1296155071179146825 I believe you need a high speed connection to watch it and it is about 1 hour 37 minutes long. Imagine if the resolution was better, and that you could watch it on a small portable broadband TV, and imagine if every good movie ever made was easily available for free. David - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
Well said, Jay, and I also agree with all of your points. As Fritz and Jay both pointed out, anything that accrues interest (and is fixin' to go up), as the Punkin/Deep loan is about to do, should be paid off. I also talked with Mike Walsh of the TCC and he stated the same thing to me as he did to Jay that they would refrain from accepting the funds, but are happy to work with TCMA in retiring the above loan. Personally, I'm happy for this current state of bliss in the Texas caving community and glad to see all of our horses are pulling in the same direction, for a change! BTW, the amount of money that we're talking about, and that I neglected to mention, comes to $8144.19. Good, positive discussions so far! Let's keep it that way. Mark Alman -Original Message- From: Jay Jorden [mailto:jjor...@texoma.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:34 PM To: Kurt L. Menking; Texascavers Mailing List Cc: Fritz Holt; Alman, Mark @ IRP; John Brooks; Darla Bishop; Bisset, Rob Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation All, To address and clarify a few points on the inevitable but already lengthy thread on this subject (and wishing there'd been a bit more interest in the land fund before debate began on its dissolution): 1) TCC: ... doesn't want the proceeds of this particular fund. Please feel free to weigh in on this point, Mike. In a conversation before the motion's introduction at TSA's BOG in Kerrville, he had conveyed this message to me. Just FYI in case you didn't know, the two cave conservation groups in Texas have an ongoing dialogue and cooperate in a number of ways. One of these is that TCC has actively contributed each month for years toward paying off the note on Punkin-Deep. TCC is to be commended for this. I don't believe TCC currently has a bank loan it's struggling to pay off -- but if it ever did, perhaps the favor could be returned. The organization currently has its own worthy projects and fund-raising means. 2) TSS: ... under the land trust agreement's Section 8 that Joe cited earlier, cannot receive total funds/proceeds from a dissolution since it is technically not a cave conservation organization. To reinforce this point, an attorney who is one of the land fund trustees is clear that proceeds of trusts and/or funds with stated purposes -- if dissolved -- must be transferred to organizations with the same purposes. 3) TCMA: ... IMHO, paying off the note as early as possible on Punkin-Deep makes good sense. The interest rate is due to increase as early as next year; contributions will not go as far then. It's been pointed out in this thread that the property is accessible to all cavers. It will also be a pre- and post-convention attraction for cavers worldwide during next year's International Congress of Speleology. Although I am a director of TCMA, I did not consult with its board before meeting on this issue with the other land fund trustees. As a fund trustee, I abstained from the vote recommending the proposed action that TSA will consider in the fall. 4) TSA: ... the fate of the fund lies with the Board of Governors or, if it so decides, the membership by binding referendum -- but no other organization. The land fund is a creature of the TSA. Under the agreement creating the fund, TSA serves as the foundation. The document requires TSA to administer the money as a separate, identifiable fund. TSA oversees the fund's balance through its treasurer. 5) TSA per capita surcharge: ... IMHO, it's a really good idea to continue this practice, whether TSA has a land fund or not. Leveraging the fees can accomplish some great things. And with gas-fueled inflation being what is has been lately, maybe it's indeed time to consider raising it higher than $1 a head. Another decision for TSA. ... Jay - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [ot_caving] computer news - Vista related
Well it seems that my statement that I would not go back to XP was not clear. I like Vista - It is user friendly and it just took the old "I do not like anything new" bit to settle down and learn a bit about it. I do not like the reminder that I need to do a full back up but it is nice for ones who forget. It seems not to understand that I do the back up but with Norton's utility not Vista's. But like any of us getting older it is not easy to make changes. I never liked Mac. No problems with any virus ever but it could have as much to do with Norton as Vista. It had a lot of junk loaded which I cleaned out. Quinta
Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
Fritz mentioned that the $1.00 a head is for 2 events. Actually, I think it is for all TSA projects, although sometimes we forget to collect and some folks think it's optional. I don't know if we can keep the "donation" going without the land fund, anyway. It makes sense to me to pay down the TCMA Punkin/Deep loan--if the fund is to be dispersed, let's get as much financial benefit as possible. Jacqui - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [ot_caving] Insulin - please respond quickly
PS - I went through several of the kits today. I do no think any of them still contain insulin nor syringes. It was only what was printed on the boxes that caused me to think they contained humulin, etc. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Louise Power wrote: > You might want to get in touch with the health department. That should > have been disposed of through a medical waste company. Definitely DO NOT use > it. You never know how it was stored or what else may be wrong with it. > > Louise > -- > Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 12:48:42 -0500 > From: wavyca...@gmail.com > To: o...@texascavers.com > Subject: [ot_caving] Insulin - please respond quickly > > > I've seen diabetics keep their insulin in the refrigerator. > While dumpster diving we recently came across a bunch of sealed humulin > samples, injectors and needles from an apparently closed down clinic. > Having not been refrigerated, would this stuff be of any use to anyone who > uses insulin > -WaV >
