[Texascavers] TSS work session
Cavers, We have a scheduled work session of the Texas Speleological Survey on Wednesday, July 9th beginning around 5:00p in the afternoon. We will continue to work on filing maps and reports and caves by county. We will also discuss the upcoming meeting of the Karst Conservation Initiative group next week. If you would like to see the center of the caving paper universe, come to the work session and help us out. The TSS office is in building 18-A at the Pickle Research Center (PRC) in north Austin. PRC is between 183 and Braker Lane, and between Mopac and Burnet. If coming north on Mopac, take the Braker exit, then enter from the north. If closed, continue east to Burnet, turn south (right) and enter from the east. If coming west on Research (183), take the Burnet Road exit, then north on Burnet to the east entrance on the left. After hours, you can only enter from the east off Burnet Road. A detailed map to PRC can be found at http://www.utexas.edu/maps/prc/ On the PRC map 2 (NW Area), 18-A is the little building just above the ra in Granberry. Park to the south in the PETEX lot across the street (Read Granberry Trail) from building 18-A. Remember that you must arrive before 6:00 pm, or the gate guards might not let you in! We'll probably work until 8:30 or 9:00. If you have questions, please contact me ronra...@austin.rr.com off line or give ma a call at home 512.280.9648 or on my cell 512.797.3817
[Texascavers] caves in the news - Hawaii
On the western most edge of the big island of Hawaii, is a district called Kailua. There is a coastal town there called Kona. According to one news site today on the web, the University of Hawaii, is creating a cave preserve at one of their new branch campuses near there. The campus is at a community called Palamanui. The cave preserve is alledgedly on 55 acres set aside for conservation. It is a lowland with a native dry forest. http://www.palamanui.com/bigisland.jpg - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[NMCAVER] Singing in Caves
Recent research indicates a connection between Paleolithic cave paintings and the acoustical properties of the passages they're in. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,376166,00.html Mark Minton ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[ot_caving] health news - Resveratrol
Is anybody out there taking Resveratrol? Some health researchers are hoping that this compound helps our body fight diseases. Here is an article alledging that another researcher hopes this compound provides health benefits: http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Red_Wine_Compound_Could_Delay_Aging_19998.html I dont' drink wine, so I thought I would try it. I bought a bottle last week at Sam's Club. It taste almost like grape juice, but slightly like cough syrup. It is expensive. I think wine lovers will be disappointed if they are expecting a wine tasting beverage. After a week of taking it, I haven't noticed any side effects. If this stuff proves to be healthy, then it might be suitable to carry a small amount with you on a week-long backpacking trip, when carrying wine is not practical. Or you could celebrate a cave connection underground with a toast? Note that mice taking this did not live any longer than the other mice. David Locklear - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [ot_caving] Alaska refinery
I have no knowledge concerning a refinery in Alaska or its feasibility. It would seem that an extension of the Alaska pipeline to any area of major production would be a better and less expensive plan. I have no idea how they combat the flow of oil in the below 0 cold. Fritz From: qui...@clearwire.net [mailto:qui...@clearwire.net] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 1:58 PM To: Don Cooper; o...@texascavers.com Subject: [ot_caving] Alaska refinery A thought on the refinery in Alaska. The short summer and other factors might make it not very cost efective to refine in Alaska. Also there are the ice fogs created by the power plants - it might be worse with a refinery. I have had to drive in it Ugg! Then the chance of a quake in the Anchorage area like the last one. There were large cracks in the earth as far up as Fairbanks. Then ther are permafrost melts under the roads and I would think it would make for a problem finding a place to build. You have to watch were you build a house and I have seen the road south out of Fairbanks have dips that were feet not inches from this.
RE: [ot_caving] Russia's Gazprom Talks Up European CNG Refuelling Network
I saw an interesting piece on the news this weekend about turning coal into cheap gasoline. Apparently they're already doing it on a big scale in South Africa. The guy who spoke during the piece said that there is enough coal in the US to provide gas for 250 years at about $24/bbl. BIG DRAWBACK: Too much air pollution from the current process. Apparently the S Africans are looking to the US to develop a pollution-reduced or pollution-free process. List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:39:38 -0400From: wavycaver@gmail.comTo: quinta@clearwire.netCC: ot@texascavers.comSubject: Re: [ot_caving] Russia's Gazprom Talks Up European CNG Refuelling NetworkWell - not TRYING to sound like Locklear, but -I predict CNG and LNG will become important transportation fuels.H4C is just about as plentiful and replenishmental as it gets - It already exists and our wastes readily produce it as well.Millions of pounds of food waste go out to the landfills around Austin every day.It can't be re-used as food (well some of it could, but that would just be too much trouble for restaurants who don't really care about those who cannot afford to eat haute cuisine) So why not use this waste as fuel - it sure makes a WHOLE lot more sense than using food from the TOP of the food production chain! Anaerobic reprocessing of food waste seems to be the most efficient means possible. Besides, its good karma.-WaVKeep the Earth Clean! It's NOT Uranus! On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 9:34 AM, qui...@clearwire.net wrote: Look who is working on a strong hold on Europe's NG supply! Ummm! Wonder if they take it? At the same time there is info on French Biogas at the bottom of this email. I know my town is setting up our dump site for future bio gas as they have had one or more offers to buy the gas at a pretty good price and will put in the equipment at no cost to the city. The city has to place and cover the trash in some frame work and this means some seperation (that was going on anyway) of trash. Quinta Market Developments Sourced NGV Global Friday, 27 June 2008 00:00 Russia, Moscow Alexei Miller, CEO of Gazprom - Russia's state-controlled gas giant - announced that the company would like to develop a network of CNG filling stations for automobiles all across Europe. I would like to announce Gazprom's new initiative. We are offering our European partners to consider together a project to set up an extensive network of natural gas filling stations in Europe with Gazprom's participation, Miller, who is also deputy chairman of Gazprom's board of directors, told the company's annual shareholder meeting in Moscow. Miller said CNG could be the best alternative for traditional petroleum fuels. There is no any real alternative for the use of hydrocarbons at present or in the next decades, Miller said, adding that an attempt to replace motor fuel with biofuels has lead to a threat of the global food crisis. Gazprom has massive resources at its disposal. If their offer is taken up by European partners, this could result is a major growth shift for NGVs in Europe. Market Developments Sourced NGV Global Wednesday, 25 June 2008 00:00 France Capacity to service 210 light vehicles Veolia Environmental Services Ile-de-France is to establish their first French unit producing biomethane from biogas. The project was established in collaboration with Veolia Environnement's Cleanliness and Energy Research Center (CRPE) and recovers biogas in the form of biomethane on its non-hazardous landfill site of Claye-Souilly (France, 77). This new process, currently in the industrial project phase, will be implemented in the second quarter of 2009. It will produce 60 Nm3/hr of biomethane fuel from 200 Nm3/hr of biogas captured in the landfill, representing the energy requirements of a fleet of 210 light vehicles. From an environmental point of view, biomethane is a renewable fuel and presents a positive carbon balance, compared with the use of natural gas or other fossil-based fuels. For example, the replacement of diesel by biomethane fuel would offset a light vehicle's average emission of 140g/km of CO2, i.e. 882 tons of CO2 per year for a fleet of 210 light vehicles, based on an annual consumption of 30,000 km/year/vehicle. Pascal Peslerbe Veolia Environmental Services Ile-de-France's Treatment Director said, With this industrial pilot, Veolia Environmental Services will develop an area of expertise that complements its energy recovery activities by the direct production of a renewable fuel that is a substitute product for fossil energies, and for natural gas in particular. Veolia Environmental Services, on its Claye-Souilly site, carries out material recovery (sorting center for economic waste, wood crushing facility, tire crushing facility, bottom ash treatment center) and energy recovery activities (production of electricity from the biogas generated by waste
RE: [ot_caving] Russia's Gazprom Talks Up European CNG Refuelling Network
VIVA LIGNITE! When the pollution problem is affordably solved. You can bet on more than $24. per barrel. Fritz From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:18 AM To: Don Cooper; qui...@clearwire.net Cc: o...@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [ot_caving] Russia's Gazprom Talks Up European CNG Refuelling Network I saw an interesting piece on the news this weekend about turning coal into cheap gasoline. Apparently they're already doing it on a big scale in South Africa. The guy who spoke during the piece said that there is enough coal in the US to provide gas for 250 years at about $24/bbl. BIG DRAWBACK: Too much air pollution from the current process. Apparently the S Africans are looking to the US to develop a pollution-reduced or pollution-free process. List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:39:38 -0400 From: wavyca...@gmail.com To: qui...@clearwire.net CC: o...@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [ot_caving] Russia's Gazprom Talks Up European CNG Refuelling Network Well - not TRYING to sound like Locklear, but - I predict CNG and LNG will become important transportation fuels. H4C is just about as plentiful and replenishmental as it gets - It already exists and our wastes readily produce it as well. Millions of pounds of food waste go out to the landfills around Austin every day. It can't be re-used as food (well some of it could, but that would just be too much trouble for restaurants who don't really care about those who cannot afford to eat haute cuisine) So why not use this waste as fuel - it sure makes a WHOLE lot more sense than using food from the TOP of the food production chain! Anaerobic reprocessing of food waste seems to be the most efficient means possible. Besides, its good karma. -WaV Keep the Earth Clean! It's NOT Uranus! On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 9:34 AM, qui...@clearwire.netmailto:qui...@clearwire.net wrote: Look who is working on a strong hold on Europe's NG supply! Ummm! Wonder if they take it? At the same time there is info on French Biogas at the bottom of this email. I know my town is setting up our dump site for future bio gas as they have had one or more offers to buy the gas at a pretty good price and will put in the equipment at no cost to the city. The city has to place and cover the trash in some frame work and this means some seperation (that was going on anyway) of trash. Quinta Market Developments Sourced NGV Global Friday, 27 June 2008 00:00 Russia, Moscow Alexei Miller, CEO of Gazprom - Russia's state-controlled gas giant - announced that the company would like to develop a network of CNG filling stations for automobiles all across Europe. I would like to announce Gazprom's new initiative. We are offering our European partners to consider together a project to set up an extensive network of natural gas filling stations in Europe with Gazprom's participation, Miller, who is also deputy chairman of Gazprom's board of directors, told the company's annual shareholder meeting in Moscow. Miller said CNG could be the best alternative for traditional petroleum fuels. There is no any real alternative for the use of hydrocarbons at present or in the next decades, Miller said, adding that an attempt to replace motor fuel with biofuels has lead to a threat of the global food crisis. Gazprom has massive resources at its disposal. If their offer is taken up by European partners, this could result is a major growth shift for NGVs in Europe. Market Developments Sourced NGV Global Wednesday, 25 June 2008 00:00 France Capacity to service 210 light vehicles Veolia Environmental Services Ile-de-France is to establish their first French unit producing biomethane from biogas. The project was established in collaboration with Veolia Environnement's Cleanliness and Energy Research Center (CRPE) and recovers biogas in the form of biomethane on its non-hazardous landfill site of Claye-Souilly (France, 77). This new process, currently in the industrial project phase, will be implemented in the second quarter of 2009. It will produce 60 Nm3/hr of biomethane fuel from 200 Nm3/hr of biogas captured in the landfill, representing the energy requirements of a fleet of 210 light vehicles. From an environmental point of view, biomethane is a renewable fuel and presents a positive carbon balance, compared with the use of natural gas or other fossil-based fuels. For example, the replacement of diesel by biomethane fuel would offset a light vehicle's average emission of 140g/km of CO2, i.e. 882 tons of CO2 per year for a fleet of 210 light vehicles, based on an annual consumption of 30,000 km/year/vehicle. Pascal Peslerbe Veolia Environmental Services Ile-de-France's Treatment Director said, With this industrial pilot, Veolia Environmental Services will develop an area of expertise that complements its energy recovery
[Texascavers] solar incentives going away 12/08
http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2008/07/07/story6.html?b=1215403200^1664659ana=e_abd Brilliantly shortsighted to remove tax rebate incentives for solar electrical generation... Scott Nicholson Broker/Waterboy Discovery Realty Group 512-947-2688 KW Commercial www.DiscoveryAustin.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] solar incentives going away 12/08
This is why high gas prices are good. We won't get realistic alternative energy development until it's profitable- which hasn't been the case. If solar panel manufacturing/installation companies can't survive without government help, then it's not economically viable at this point. If predicted oil supply/demand forecasts are even remotely accurate, however, we'll probably be playing basketball, parking and driving on solar panels in the future. I believe the foresight of alternative energy requirements in the future is currently surpassing the economics of our current options. But if we don't have options ready to phase out oil however... We'll be in a heap of trouble. Maybe Mother necessity will immaculately conceive an unsuspected energy baby soon- who knows. On 7/7/08, Scott Nicholson csnichol...@sbcglobal.net wrote: http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2008/07/07/story6.html?b=1215403200 ^1664659ana=e_abd Brilliantly shortsighted to remove tax rebate incentives for solar electrical generation... Scott Nicholson Broker/Waterboy Discovery Realty Group 512-947-2688 KW Commercial www.DiscoveryAustin.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] Re: [Texascavers] solar incentives going away 12/08
After reading the info below I want to know are they doing it here ? link if you want to see the photo. I did not want to put it on Texascavers as they think this belongs on ot. http://www.environmentalleader.com/2008/07/04/ericsson-solar-cell-solution-deployed-in-south-america/ July 4, 2008 Ericsson Solar Cell Solution Deployed In South America A solar radio-site system from Ericsson will provide enough clean energy to power Digicel's network coverage in remote areas of Suriname, the company announced. The system will help Digicel, the largest mobile telecommunications operator in the Caribbean, lower its energy consumption, reduce operating and maintenance costs and reduce the company's environmental impact. Ericsson's main remote GSM base station RBS 2111, has a smaller environmental footprint than a standard base station, and consumes up to 50 percent less energy, according to the company. Ericsson will also supply its all-outdoor transmission, solar panels and battery back-up products. Mobile carriers in general are looking for ways to improve energy efficiency. Nokia has said that it wants to cut energy consumption at some of its mobile base stations by up to 40 percent by 2010. Vodafone has announced plans to reduce its carbon-dioxide emissions by 50 percent by 2020. More info on mobile carriers and alternative energy here
[Texascavers] LED flashlight update
Below is a link for a new LED flashlight sold by Energizer at Target: http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/opticsplanet_2009_215236316 I feel certain that this is currently the best value for a flashlight sold at retail stores. It is very bright and rugged. It is lightweight and small enough to easily carry in your cave pack or strapped to the side of your helmet. It is very water-resistant, but I wouldn't dunk it too deep. You wouldn't need a light like this in Airmans. But it would be suitable for large wet cave like Grutas de Carrizal. Having one of these mounted on each side of your helmet would probably light up most borehole passages that you are going to encounter on a regular caving trip. On a related note, Pelican has upgraded a similar flashlight - the 2370. They moved the switch to the tail, giving it the capability to temporarily shine while pressing the switch. But this light is twice the cost of the Energizer light above, and larger and heavier.It also uses 3 batteries - the CR123 type. You can find both the new 2370 and the old 2370 at Fry's for around $ 55.00 In my opinion, you can find a much better flashlight on-line, but the cost will be anywhere from $ 100 to $ 200. Try this site: http://www.hdssystems.com/ I believe HDS has had cavers test their lights in caves in the Guads. I think I heard somewhere that the designers were active cavers? David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] RE: LED flashlight update
David Locklear said: http://www.hdssystems.com/ I believe HDS has had cavers test their lights in caves in the Guads. I think I heard somewhere that the designers were active cavers? HDS Systems is run by Henry Schneiker in Tucson, Arizona. He has been a caver for at least 30 years. I first caved with him in Huautla back in the early '80's. He has been designing rugged, innovative caving lights for at least as long. His stuff is expensive, though, and I think a Sten Light is still the best available. Mark Minton
RE: [Texascavers] LED flashlight update
Just curious, David, do you have stock in an LED company? Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:32:55 -0500 From: dlocklea...@gmail.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] LED flashlight update Below is a link for a new LED flashlight sold by Energizer at Target: http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/opticsplanet_2009_215236316 I feel certain that this is currently the best value for a flashlight sold at retail stores. It is very bright and rugged. It is lightweight and small enough to easily carry in your cave pack or strapped to the side of your helmet. It is very water-resistant, but I wouldn't dunk it too deep. You wouldn't need a light like this in Airmans. But it would be suitable for large wet cave like Grutas de Carrizal. Having one of these mounted on each side of your helmet would probably light up most borehole passages that you are going to encounter on a regular caving trip. On a related note, Pelican has upgraded a similar flashlight - the 2370. They moved the switch to the tail, giving it the capability to temporarily shine while pressing the switch. But this light is twice the cost of the Energizer light above, and larger and heavier. It also uses 3 batteries - the CR123 type. You can find both the new 2370 and the old 2370 at Fry's for around $ 55.00 In my opinion, you can find a much better flashlight on-line, but the cost will be anywhere from $ 100 to $ 200. Try this site: http://www.hdssystems.com/ I believe HDS has had cavers test their lights in caves in the Guads. I think I heard somewhere that the designers were active cavers? David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] LED flashlight update
N0, just not much to do. Fritz From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 1:23 PM To: David; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] LED flashlight update Just curious, David, do you have stock in an LED company? Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:32:55 -0500 From: dlocklea...@gmail.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] LED flashlight update Below is a link for a new LED flashlight sold by Energizer at Target: http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/opticsplanet_2009_215236316 I feel certain that this is currently the best value for a flashlight sold at retail stores. It is very bright and rugged. It is lightweight and small enough to easily carry in your cave pack or strapped to the side of your helmet. It is very water-resistant, but I wouldn't dunk it too deep. You wouldn't need a light like this in Airmans. But it would be suitable for large wet cave like Grutas de Carrizal. Having one of these mounted on each side of your helmet would probably light up most borehole passages that you are going to encounter on a regular caving trip. On a related note, Pelican has upgraded a similar flashlight - the 2370. They moved the switch to the tail, giving it the capability to temporarily shine while pressing the switch. But this light is twice the cost of the Energizer light above, and larger and heavier. It also uses 3 batteries - the CR123 type. You can find both the new 2370 and the old 2370 at Fry's for around $ 55.00 In my opinion, you can find a much better flashlight on-line, but the cost will be anywhere from $ 100 to $ 200. Try this site: http://www.hdssystems.com/ I believe HDS has had cavers test their lights in caves in the Guads. I think I heard somewhere that the designers were active cavers? David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] Pending Legislation: AWNAA
Washington DC - Congress is considering sweeping legislation that will provide new benefits for many Americans. The Americans With No Abilities Act (AWNAA) is being hailed as a major legislative goal by advocates of the millions of Americans who lack any real skills or ambition. 'Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess the competence and drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society,' said California Senator Barbara Boxer. 'We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability to be ridiculed and passed over. With this legislation, employers will no longer be able to grant special favors to a small group of workers, simply because they have some idea of what they are doing.' In a Capital Hill press conference, House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pointed to the success of the U.S. Postal Service, which has a long-standing policy of providing opportunity without regard to performance. Approximately 74 percent of postal employees lack any job skills, making this agency the single largest U.S. employer of Persons of Inability. Private-sector industries with good records of non-discrimination against the inept include retail sales (72%), the airline industry (68%), and home improvement 'warehouse' stores (65%). At the state level, the Department of Motor Vehicles also has an excellent record of hiring Persons of Inability (63%). Under The Americans With No Abilities Act, more than 25 million 'middle man' positions will be created, with important sounding titles but little real responsibility, thus providing an illusory sense of purpose and performance. Mandatory non-performance-based raises and promotions will be given so as to guarantee upward mobility for even the most unremarkable employees. The legislation provides substantial tax breaks to corporations that promote a significant number of Persons of Inability into middle-management positions, and gives a tax credit to small and medium sized businesses that agree to hire one clueless worker for every two talented hires. Finally, the AWNAA contains tough new measures to make it more difficult to discriminate against the Non-Abled, banning, for example, discriminatory interview questions such as, 'Do you have any skills or experience that relate to this job?' 'As a Non-Abled person, I can't be expected to keep up with people who have something going for them,' said Mary Lou Gertz, who lost her position as a lug-nut twister at the GM plant in Flint, Michigan, due to her inability to remember 'righty tighty, lefty loosey'. 'This new law should be real good for people like me,' Gertz added. With the passage of this bill, Gertz and millions of other untalented citizens will finally see a light at the end of the tunnel. Said Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL): 'As a Senator with no abilities, I believe the same privileges that elected officials enjoy ought to be extended to every American with no abilities. It is our duty as lawmakers to provide each and every American citizen, regardless of his or her inadequacy, with some sort of space to take up in this great Nation and a good salary for doing so.' _ _ _ _ _ With no credit to -- -- Alex Sproul, NSS 8086RL/FE 5715 Lee-Jackson Hwy, Greenville VA 24440 540-377-6364 Skype: alex.sproul - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [ot_caving] Pending Legislation: AWNAA
Beautiful and hilarious! How do I join? Oh, wait. I may already be a member! Later, Mark From: Alex Sproul [mailto:imoca...@comcast.net] Sent: Mon 7/7/2008 1:17 PM To: o...@texascavers.com Subject: [ot_caving] Pending Legislation: AWNAA Washington DC - Congress is considering sweeping legislation that will provide new benefits for many Americans. The Americans With No Abilities Act (AWNAA) is being hailed as a major legislative goal by advocates of the millions of Americans who lack any real skills or ambition. 'Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess the competence and drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society,' said California Senator Barbara Boxer. 'We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability to be ridiculed and passed over. With this legislation, employers will no longer be able to grant special favors to a small group of workers, simply because they have some idea of what they are doing.' In a Capital Hill press conference, House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pointed to the success of the U.S. Postal Service, which has a long-standing policy of providing opportunity without regard to performance. Approximately 74 percent of postal employees lack any job skills, making this agency the single largest U.S. employer of Persons of Inability. Private-sector industries with good records of non-discrimination against the inept include retail sales (72%), the airline industry (68%), and home improvement 'warehouse' stores (65%). At the state level, the Department of Motor Vehicles also has an excellent record of hiring Persons of Inability (63%). Under The Americans With No Abilities Act, more than 25 million 'middle man' positions will be created, with important sounding titles but little real responsibility, thus providing an illusory sense of purpose and performance. Mandatory non-performance-based raises and promotions will be given so as to guarantee upward mobility for even the most unremarkable employees. The legislation provides substantial tax breaks to corporations that promote a significant number of Persons of Inability into middle-management positions, and gives a tax credit to small and medium sized businesses that agree to hire one clueless worker for every two talented hires. Finally, the AWNAA contains tough new measures to make it more difficult to discriminate against the Non-Abled, banning, for example, discriminatory interview questions such as, 'Do you have any skills or experience that relate to this job?' 'As a Non-Abled person, I can't be expected to keep up with people who have something going for them,' said Mary Lou Gertz, who lost her position as a lug-nut twister at the GM plant in Flint, Michigan, due to her inability to remember 'righty tighty, lefty loosey'. 'This new law should be real good for people like me,' Gertz added. With the passage of this bill, Gertz and millions of other untalented citizens will finally see a light at the end of the tunnel. Said Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL): 'As a Senator with no abilities, I believe the same privileges that elected officials enjoy ought to be extended to every American with no abilities. It is our duty as lawmakers to provide each and every American citizen, regardless of his or her inadequacy, with some sort of space to take up in this great Nation and a good salary for doing so.' _ _ _ _ _ With no credit to -- -- Alex Sproul, NSS 8086RL/FE 5715 Lee-Jackson Hwy, Greenville VA 24440 540-377-6364 Skype: alex.sproul - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [ot_caving] Pending Legislation: AWNAA
How do I join? Oh, wait. I may already be a member! Thanks to government wiretapping, you're already on the list! Alex - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [ot_caving] Pending Legislation: AWNAA
I hope you'll still find it funny when you get older and/or develop one or multiple disabilities. From: mark.alman@l-3com.comDate: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:03:50 -0500To: imoca...@comcast.net; ot@texascavers.comSubject: RE: [ot_caving] Pending Legislation: AWNAA Beautiful and hilarious! How do I join? Oh, wait. I may already be a member! Later, Mark From: Alex Sproul [mailto:imoca...@comcast.net]Sent: Mon 7/7/2008 1:17 PMTo: ot@texascavers.comSubject: [ot_caving] Pending Legislation: AWNAA Washington DC - Congress is considering sweeping legislation that will provide new benefits for many Americans. The Americans With No Abilities Act (AWNAA) is being hailed as a major legislative goal by advocates of the millions of Americans who lack any real skills or ambition. 'Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess the competence and drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society,' said California Senator Barbara Boxer. 'We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability to be ridiculed and passed over. With this legislation, employers will no longer be able to grant special favors to a small group of workers, simply because they have some idea of what they are doing.' In a Capital Hill press conference, House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pointed to the success of the U.S. Postal Service, which has a long-standing policy of providing opportunity without regard to performance. Approximately 74 percent of postal employees lack any job skills, making this agency the single largest U.S. employer of Persons of Inability. Private-sector industries with good records of non-discrimination against the inept include retail sales (72%), the airline industry (68%), and home improvement 'warehouse' stores (65%). At the state level, the Department of Motor Vehicles also has an excellent record of hiring Persons of Inability (63%). Under The Americans With No Abilities Act, more than 25 million 'middle man' positions will be created, with important sounding titles but little real responsibility, thus providing an illusory sense of purpose and performance. Mandatory non-performance-based raises and promotions will be given so as to guarantee upward mobility for even the most unremarkable employees. The legislation provides substantial tax breaks to corporations that promote a significant number of Persons of Inability into middle-management positions, and gives a tax credit to small and medium sized businesses that agree to hire one clueless worker for every two talented hires. Finally, the AWNAA contains tough new measures to make it more difficult to discriminate against the Non-Abled, banning, for example, discriminatory interview questions such as, 'Do you have any skills or experience that relate to this job?' 'As a Non-Abled person, I can't be expected to keep up with people who have something going for them,' said Mary Lou Gertz, who lost her position as a lug-nut twister at the GM plant in Flint, Michigan, due to her inability to remember 'righty tighty, lefty loosey'. 'This new law should be real good for people like me,' Gertz added. With the passage of this bill, Gertz and millions of other untalented citizens will finally see a light at the end of the tunnel. Said Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL): 'As a Senator with no abilities, I believe the same privileges that elected officials enjoy ought to be extended to every American with no abilities. It is our duty as lawmakers to provide each and every American citizen, regardless of his or her inadequacy, with some sort of space to take up in this great Nation and a good salary for doing so.' _ _ _ _ _ With no credit to -- -- Alex Sproul, NSS 8086RL/FE 5715 Lee-Jackson Hwy, Greenville VA 24440 540-377-6364 Skype: alex.sproul - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [ot_caving] Pending Legislation: AWNAA
I hope you'll still find it funny when you get older and/or develop one or multiple disabilities. Eh? I'm old and disabled (well, infirm), and I thought it was a hilarious comment on our government. We're talking about NO abilities here, not DISabilities. Think Mark... ;^) Alex -- Alex Sproul, NSS 8086 NSS IT Committee - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
