Fwd: [Texascavers] a semi-funny story related to Texas Caving

[Charles Goldsmith]

Begin forwarded message:


From: David 
Date: August 27, 2009 5:22:44 PM CDT
To: Cavers Texas 
Subject: [Texascavers] a semi-funny story related to Texas Caving




I used my wife's mini-van to go to ICS.

Afterwards, I cleaned out the van, but she has not
been driving it much.

She had to haul a bunch of young boys in the van
home from school today, so she thoroughly cleaned
the van.

These boys come from a very conservative wealthy
family ( the employer of my wife ) and my wife did
not want them to tell their parents that my wife ( their nanny )
keeps her van with mud in it.

She picked them up from school this afternoon.

They are riding along, and my wife is driving
and the youngest of the boys, about age 7, yells

"Ooh, look what I found!!!   Photos of naked girls in
caves!!! "

David Locklear


P.S.

It was the Texas Caving Calender. My wife, who
has no understanding of these things, thinks it was
sick porn, and now she is furious with me.I am
sure I will never see that calendar again.

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[Texascavers] a semi-funny story related to Texas Caving

[David]

I used my wife's mini-van to go to ICS.

Afterwards, I cleaned out the van, but she has not
been driving it much.

She had to haul a bunch of young boys in the van
home from school today, so she thoroughly cleaned
the van.

These boys come from a very conservative wealthy
family ( the employer of my wife ) and my wife did
not want them to tell their parents that my wife ( their nanny )
keeps her van with mud in it.

She picked them up from school this afternoon.

They are riding along, and my wife is driving
and the youngest of the boys, about age 7, yells

"Ooh, look what I found!!!   Photos of naked girls in
caves!!! "

David Locklear


P.S.

It was the Texas Caving Calender. My wife, who
has no understanding of these things, thinks it was
sick porn, and now she is furious with me.I am
sure I will never see that calendar again.

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[Texascavers] ICS art salon related

[David]

I was the person who shipped the artwork salon stuff back to the artist.

One of the artist has not received their artwork and there does not appear to
be any record of it being shipped.

Does anybody have any idea what might have happened to it?

Supposedly on Sunday, it was boxed up in the libary with a FedEx label.

I shipped everything UPS, except one package by postal air-mail to France.


David Locklear

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[Texascavers] Cave off 620, near the Balcones Canyonlands Preserve?

[Thomas Sitch]

I was just out picking prickly pears (this time with gloves) around my 
apartment complex and stumbled upon a cave entrance.  It's small and covered in 
a grating, with no apparent way to gain access.
 
The location is on an easement road that runs through the apartments from 620 
to the Balcones Canyonlands Preserve (right near a locked gate to the same).  
Does anybody know about this cave, and whether it was surveyed before 
(presumably the apartment complex builders) grated it?
 
Best Regards,
 
~~Thomas

[Texascavers] I saw Bear Grylls caving last night on TV

[Diana Tomchick]

...in Alabama, and I liked the show. I kept wondering what kind of  
insulating clothes he was wearing when he went "rafting" down the  
river, as he was totally soaked. He should have been hypothermic after  
that stunt, but wasn't.


BTW, the technique he used to subdue the wild boar (by flopping down  
on it's side and pinning it) was similar to the technique used by La  
Macha to subdue wild cattle in the Purificacion in Mexico. Just in  
case you wondered.


Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B   
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.   
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214-645-6383 (phone)
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[Texascavers] [For Garmin Owning Mexico Cavers] [FYI]

[Don Arburn]

http://www.bicimapas.com.mx/MexicGPSAtlasEn.htm

I have this and am glad I do.

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Re: cavetex archives

[Charles Goldsmith]

Thanks for all of the archives Bill, I'll dig into them tonight and
merge.  Did you still need me to call you?  If so, is now a good time?

Thanks

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Bill Bentley wrote:
> call me 432-557-3094 my cell phone number
>
> - Original Message - From: "Charles Goldsmith"
> 
> To: "Bill Bentley" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:50 AM
> Subject: cavetex archives
>
>
>> Bill, I joined cavetex back June 16th of 2005, and I'm assuming that
>> you were one of the first to join up, but if not, you can probably
>> help me out.
>>
>> I'm looking to build the complete archives, and I'm not picky about
>> formats at this time, depending on how hard it will be to import into
>> the google archives and my personal stuff.
>>
>> Can you send me what you have prior to 06/16/2005?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Charles
>>
>
>

[Texascavers] How to descend your rope and have it too, Bear Grylls style

[Rod Goke]

In an expression of skepticism about Bear Grylls' caving exploits, Fofo said

   "I stopped believing the whole thing one time when he did a rappel, he 
   tied one end of the rope, threw the rest down and descended -- and 
   later, he had the whole rope again with him! Uh, yeah, right..."

Actually there is a way to do that. It's not a technique I'd recommend, but 
from all the comments people have been making about Bear Grylls, I wouldn't put 
it past him to try it. You simply tie the end of your rope to a weak rigging 
point that's strong enough to support just slightly more than your body weight. 
You rappel down almost to the bottom and then bounce a little or otherwise do 
something to momentarily increase tension on the rope. The rigging point 
breaks, you take a short fall (hopefully short enough not to cause serious 
injury), and the rope falls all around you. You get up (if you can), wipe away 
any excess mud and blood, coil the rope, and proceed on your way through the 
cave (presumably to a second entrance, since you can't go back the way you came 
in).

I bet I know what you're thinking. You think this scenario is too far fetched 
to resemble anything that would actually happen to a real caver in a real cave, 
don't you. Well, I'd be inclined to think that way, too, if I hadn't witnessed 
a similar incident with a cable ladder back in the mid 1970s, while caving with 
the Huntsville, Alabama Grotto. I was with a large group of cavers on a Grotto 
trip through a cave involving mostly easy horizontal passage. There wasn't 
enough vertical work for people to bother bringing vertical gear for rope work, 
but there was one short vertical drop which they rigged with a cable ladder. An 
experienced caver familiar with this cave rigged the ladder to the customary 
rigging point, which was a natural rock projection protruding near the cave 
floor a short distance from the top of the drop. No one questioned the rigging 
point selection, since cavers familiar with the cave knew it was the same 
rigging point they had used in a number of past trips. Little did they know 
that what they assumed to be a rock projection attached to a solid rock cave 
floor was actually just a moderate sized rock partially embedded in dirt.

A number of cavers (including me) descended the cable ladder without incident. 
Some used a top belay, either because they were inexperienced with cable ladder 
climbing or because (like me) they had heard how cable ladders in seemingly 
good condition sometimes could break due to hidden corrosion damage. Others 
felt confident enough to climb with no belay. Then one of the larger cavers in 
the group began his decent. He was a big strong guy, experienced enough to feel 
confident about doing this short cable ladder climb with no belay. He was so 
confident, in fact, that he let his small child ride down on his shoulders. 
During the climb down, however, the rigging point suddenly gave way, allowing 
the man, the child, and the ladder to begin falling together. Then something 
near the top of the ladder became wedged in a rock crack, causing the ladder to 
stop suddenly and pull loose from the man's grip. His foot, however, became 
tangled in the ladder, causing him to flip backwards and dangle upside down 
with his head just slightly above the floor. The child went flying through the 
air and landed in a soft mud puddle. Neither of them had any significant 
injuries. Fortunately, there were enough cavers below to untangle the man from 
the ladder, and there were enough others above to pull the ladder back up and 
rig it to something more secure. The trip continued, and for the remaining 
cable ladder climbs, even the most experienced cavers were much more inclined 
to use a belay.

If word of this stunt somehow were to get back to Bear Grylls, do you think 
he'd try it on TV?

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: Fofo 
>Sent: Aug 21, 2009 1:23 PM
>To: texascavers 
>Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a 
>strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)
>
>Sounds like another episode I saw, where he got into a mine with a torch 
>that he dipped in kerosene. He went deeper, downclimbed a shaft, _then_ 
>his torch went out (and I thought, "In real life, that would pretty much 
>be 'game over'") and he said how dangerous the whole thing was and he 
>kept walking (in total darkness, recorder in IR), following the wall, 
>until he found the exit.
>
>I stopped believing the whole thing one time when he did a rappel, he 
>tied one end of the rope, threw the rest down and descended -- and 
>later, he had the whole rope again with him! Uh, yeah, right...
>
>  - Fofo
>
>Don Cooper wrote, on 21/8/09 9:48:
>> Nay, but following Occam's Razor - "If it smells of 'B.S.' - it probably 
>> IS some form of 'S.'...
>> -WaV
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:39 AM, > > wrote:
>> 
>>  From TagNet this morning:
>> c
>> Man vs. Wi

[Texascavers] Soap and water at TCR?

[Diana Tomchick]

Wow, I would never have expected the volume of interest on this  
listserve regarding whether there will be enough water to swim/bathe  
in at TCR! I plan to make some handmade bar soap and bring it to TCR-- 
it will be for sale, with all profits to be donated to the TCMA.


I hope that the prospect of a water shortage will not prevent cavers  
from making a purchase. Drop by the Dallas-Fort Worth Grotto camping  
area (you won't be able to miss it, we have a large banner) if you'd  
like to buy soaps scented with Texas lavender, peppermint, mango,  
various other floral scents and even Cave Dirt! You can go home  
smelling like a rose (or whatever), and you can tell people that  
indeed, there are some good things about Dallas, Texas.


Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B   
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.   
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
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RE: [Texascavers] Re: delete button

[Ryan Monjaras]

you know were all going to forget this in less than a week and well be back to 
incomplete paragraphs, ive already got the ball rolling >: )

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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:09:13 -0400
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>If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and  




>interesting material to add, how about not replying...












Aw, c'mon, Bill!  Some of those one-liners are fun(ny)!  (I liked Heather's!)












Maybe a better solution for you is a daily digest.  Then you scan scoot right 
past the short posts, and delete the entire day's drivel with a single click!












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[Texascavers] Re: delete button

[Alex Sproul]

>If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and  




>interesting material to add, how about not replying...











Aw, c'mon, Bill!  Some of those one-liners are fun(ny)!  (I liked Heather's!)











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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[John Brooks]

I have been silently reading all of thisand I agree with Matt and DON. I 
enjoy the virtual campfire.

 I know we have much more advanced computers up here in Dallasbut even with 
the Stonehenge-esque machines used by crudmudgeons in the low density suburban 
sprawl engulfing the hill countryone can sort by NAME/TOPIC and DATE and 
DELETE without ever reading any of it.I know...I do it all the timebut 
censorship is not needed in my opinion. Sometimes the anarchy of this list is 
entertaining.

And I might addI find it hilarious when something annoys the Crudmudgeonous 
few amongst uswe should keep a running list!

Sort/Delete/Repeat!

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:

Everyone,
 
ok I'm piping up as one who really doesn't care one way or the other on this. I 
have all Texas Cavers email go into a folder on my yahoo account, just for this 
reason. That said I agree that alot of the replies really seem more like 
attention grabbing than having any real value. Yes, we're a clever bunch, and 
we love to have fun. There should be a nice balance inbetween the ME TO ME TOO 
posts and the word count. I think we're all adults hereok atleast in 
age.so instead of jumping on Bill or Andy just realize that your action do 
annoy others on here sometime. I mean give them credit because they did wait 
until the count go over 20+ emails over 3 days to post about this. I think a 
word count isn't the answer, but just because you have something clever to say 
doesn't mean it's fun for everyone. I'd say leave that type of stuff for 
facebook. As any one on my friends list will tell you I enjoy quips more than 
most. 
 
So again I'm not saying shut up, just saying respect others on this list, 
otherwise what will happen is this list will become useless and people will 
stop checking it or posting trips on it. That is my skin in this game if you're 
wondering why i decided to post.
 
Matt Turner

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without 
accepting it." - Aristotle
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do 
that."- Norman Vincent Peale

 
From: Charles Goldsmith 
To: Cavetex 
Cc: Brian Riordan 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:22:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button

Then there are the messages that people are going to ramble in, to get
their word count up high enough, and it will be pointless (or more so
than before) and now instead of me just reading a 1 line reply and
deleting, I have to sifter through a few paragraphs, looking for the
meat of the message and the real reply.

I'm not chastising Brian, Bill Mixon or anyone else.  If Bill wants
to have 100+ words in every reply, that's his right.  It's also
Brian's right to ramble.  As well, it's also Heather's right to reply
with 1 word.

We do have a few rules on the mailing list, review them at
http://texascavers.com

100 word minimum is NOT a rule, just a guideline set by one of our
respected members.

My advice, say it quick, make it to the point, and don't ramble, but
that's just me :)

Charles
list administrator that has been way too busy lately



On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Brian Riordan wrote:
> All,
>
> I don't mind so much either way.  I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
> go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
> list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
> (10,860 unread messages and counting).  This option, of course, would
> drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
> be the perfect answer.
>
> ...
>
> To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
> tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
> new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
> of love on her passage to adulthood:
>
> "...At first, Laurie couldn’t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
> chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
> now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
> that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
> her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
> thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
> chamomile was out of the question..."
>
> Warm Regards,
> -Brian
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander wrote:
>> Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
>> Thanks for the words Bill.
>>
>>
>> Mixon Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
>>> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
>>> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
>>> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
>>> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only w

Re: [NMCAVER] PBSS dig in Sonora

[Charles Goldsmith]

Jacqui, if there is room, I'd love to attend.

Charles

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:17 AM, J. LaRue Thomas wrote:
> All,
> As you may (or not) have noticed from the meeting notes, our October dig in
> Sonora has been changed to the weekend of October10th. As usual, Friday
> evening through Sunday morning.
>
> If I didn't hear from you before when I was calling for comments and/or
> objections, no whining now.
>
> I would sure like to hear from all who plan to attend, though. Jacqui
>

Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Charles Goldsmith]

Oh, no worries, I knew you were, but I don't think Bill was...

Some people just need to relax :)

Charles

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Brian Riordan wrote:
> Charles,
>
> I hope it was understood that I was being facetious...
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Charles Goldsmith 
> wrote:
>> Then there are the messages that people are going to ramble in, to get
>> their word count up high enough, and it will be pointless (or more so
>> than before) and now instead of me just reading a 1 line reply and
>> deleting, I have to sifter through a few paragraphs, looking for the
>> meat of the message and the real reply.
>>
>> I'm not chastising Brian, Bill Mixon or anyone else.   If Bill wants
>> to have 100+ words in every reply, that's his right.  It's also
>> Brian's right to ramble.  As well, it's also Heather's right to reply
>> with 1 word.
>>
>> We do have a few rules on the mailing list, review them at
>> http://texascavers.com
>>
>> 100 word minimum is NOT a rule, just a guideline set by one of our
>> respected members.
>>
>> My advice, say it quick, make it to the point, and don't ramble, but
>> that's just me :)
>>
>> Charles
>> list administrator that has been way too busy lately
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Brian Riordan 
>> wrote:
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I don't mind so much either way.  I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
>>> go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
>>> list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
>>> (10,860 unread messages and counting).  This option, of course, would
>>> drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
>>> be the perfect answer.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
>>> tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
>>> new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
>>> of love on her passage to adulthood:
>>>
>>> "...At first, Laurie couldn’t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
>>> chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
>>> now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
>>> that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
>>> her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
>>> thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
>>> chamomile was out of the question..."
>>>
>>> Warm Regards,
>>> -Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander wrote:
 Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
 Thanks for the words Bill.


 Mixon Bill wrote:
>
> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain 
> to
> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by 
> their
> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
> tell my computer to fetch it.
>
> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to 
> the
> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one 
> hundred
> seventeen words.)-- Mixon
>>
>

Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Jon]

I like what you say Don!!
I'm voting for you for the next TSA president!

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Don Arburn  wrote:

I just enjoy hearing from fellow Cavers. I reiterate my opinion that 
Texascavers is like a virtual campfire, I listen to what I want, ignore the 
rest, be polite, make friends, voice my goofy opinions, drink my swill & pee 
out in the dark bushes.


Don's iPhone.

On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Fofo  wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I know, it's a 
> throwback, now that everything is online, but you can set it up to pretty 
> much do whatever you want: leave messages on server, delete messages from 
> server, delete only the ones that you delete, have messages delivered 
> directly to specific folders, group messages by thread, etc. It has a pretty 
> decent junk mail filter, and setting it up is easy.
> 
> Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages are 
> downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are several big 
> files to download, and for really bad connections you can put a limit on the 
> size of files to download). I always have the preview panel on, and it 
> literally often takes less than one second to read a message (especially 
> short replies), delete them and move on to the next one.
> 
> OK, 162 words. Clear to go!
> 
>     - Fofo
> 
>>> Mixon Bill wrote:
 I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
 while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
 each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain 
 to
 those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
 cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
 tell my computer to fetch it.
 
 If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
 interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to 
 the
 original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
 seventeen words.)-- Mixon
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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Matt Turner]

Everyone,

ok I'm piping up as one who really doesn't care one way or the other on this. I 
have all Texas Cavers email go into a folder on my yahoo account, just for this 
reason. That said I agree that alot of the replies really seem more like 
attention grabbing than having any real value. Yes, we're a clever bunch, and 
we love to have fun. There should be a nice balance inbetween the ME TO ME TOO 
posts and the word count. I think we're all adults hereok atleast in 
age.so instead of jumping on Bill or Andy just realize that your action do 
annoy others on here sometime. I mean give them credit because they did wait 
until the count go over 20+ emails over 3 days to post about this. I think a 
word count isn't the answer, but just because you have something clever to say 
doesn't mean it's fun for everyone. I'd say leave that type of stuff for 
facebook. As any one on my friends list will tell you I enjoy quips more than 
most. 

So again I'm not saying shut up, just saying respect others on this list, 
otherwise what will happen is this list will become useless and people will 
stop checking it or posting trips on it. That is my skin in this game if you're 
wondering why i decided to post.
Matt Turner 

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without 
accepting it." - Aristotle
"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do 
that."- Norman Vincent Peale

 


From: Charles Goldsmith 
To: Cavetex 
Cc: Brian Riordan 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:22:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button

Then there are the messages that people are going to ramble in, to get
their word count up high enough, and it will be pointless (or more so
than before) and now instead of me just reading a 1 line reply and
deleting, I have to sifter through a few paragraphs, looking for the
meat of the message and the real reply.

I'm not chastising Brian, Bill Mixon or anyone else.  If Bill wants
to have 100+ words in every reply, that's his right.  It's also
Brian's right to ramble.  As well, it's also Heather's right to reply
with 1 word.

We do have a few rules on the mailing list, review them at
http://texascavers.com

100 word minimum is NOT a rule, just a guideline set by one of our
respected members.

My advice, say it quick, make it to the point, and don't ramble, but
that's just me :)

Charles
list administrator that has been way too busy lately



On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Brian Riordan wrote:
> All,
>
> I don't mind so much either way.  I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
> go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
> list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
> (10,860 unread messages and counting).  This option, of course, would
> drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
> be the perfect answer.
>
> ...
>
> To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
> tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
> new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
> of love on her passage to adulthood:
>
> "...At first, Laurie couldn’t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
> chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
> now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
> that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
> her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
> thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
> chamomile was out of the question..."
>
> Warm Regards,
> -Brian
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander wrote:
>> Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
>> Thanks for the words Bill.
>>
>>
>> Mixon Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
>>> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
>>> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
>>> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
>>> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
>>> tell my computer to fetch it.
>>>
>>> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
>>> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
>>> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
>>> seventeen words.)-- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Don Arburn]

I just enjoy hearing from fellow Cavers. I reiterate my opinion that  
Texascavers is like a virtual campfire, I listen to what I want,  
ignore the rest, be polite, make friends, voice my goofy opinions,  
drink my swill & pee out in the dark bushes.



Don's iPhone.

On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Fofo  wrote:


Hi!

I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I  
know, it's a throwback, now that everything is online, but you can  
set it up to pretty much do whatever you want: leave messages on  
server, delete messages from server, delete only the ones that you  
delete, have messages delivered directly to specific folders, group  
messages by thread, etc. It has a pretty decent junk mail filter,  
and setting it up is easy.


Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages  
are downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are  
several big files to download, and for really bad connections you  
can put a limit on the size of files to download). I always have the  
preview panel on, and it literally often takes less than one second  
to read a message (especially short replies), delete them and move  
on to the next one.


OK, 162 words. Clear to go!

- Fofo


Mixon Bill wrote:
I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless  
takes a
while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten  
words
each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a  
real pain to
those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are  
pestered by their
cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only  
when I

tell my computer to fetch it.

If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new  
and
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying  
only to the
original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is  
one hundred

seventeen words.)-- Mixon


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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Fofo]

Hi!

I use Mozilla's Thunderbird both in the office and my laptop. I know, 
it's a throwback, now that everything is online, but you can set it up 
to pretty much do whatever you want: leave messages on server, delete 
messages from server, delete only the ones that you delete, have 
messages delivered directly to specific folders, group messages by 
thread, etc. It has a pretty decent junk mail filter, and setting it up 
is easy.


Even in slow connections, usually I don't even notice when messages are 
downloaded (unless it's the first time of the day and there are several 
big files to download, and for really bad connections you can put a 
limit on the size of files to download). I always have the preview panel 
on, and it literally often takes less than one second to read a message 
(especially short replies), delete them and move on to the next one.


OK, 162 words. Clear to go!

 - Fofo


Mixon Bill wrote:

I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
tell my computer to fetch it.

If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
seventeen words.)-- Mixon


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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Brian Riordan]

Charles,

I hope it was understood that I was being facetious...

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> Then there are the messages that people are going to ramble in, to get
> their word count up high enough, and it will be pointless (or more so
> than before) and now instead of me just reading a 1 line reply and
> deleting, I have to sifter through a few paragraphs, looking for the
> meat of the message and the real reply.
>
> I'm not chastising Brian, Bill Mixon or anyone else.   If Bill wants
> to have 100+ words in every reply, that's his right.  It's also
> Brian's right to ramble.  As well, it's also Heather's right to reply
> with 1 word.
>
> We do have a few rules on the mailing list, review them at
> http://texascavers.com
>
> 100 word minimum is NOT a rule, just a guideline set by one of our
> respected members.
>
> My advice, say it quick, make it to the point, and don't ramble, but
> that's just me :)
>
> Charles
> list administrator that has been way too busy lately
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Brian Riordan wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> I don't mind so much either way.  I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
>> go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
>> list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
>> (10,860 unread messages and counting).  This option, of course, would
>> drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
>> be the perfect answer.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
>> tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
>> new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
>> of love on her passage to adulthood:
>>
>> "...At first, Laurie couldn’t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
>> chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
>> now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
>> that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
>> her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
>> thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
>> chamomile was out of the question..."
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>> -Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander wrote:
>>> Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
>>> Thanks for the words Bill.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mixon Bill wrote:

 I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
 while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
 each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain 
 to
 those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
 cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
 tell my computer to fetch it.

 If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
 interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to 
 the
 original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
 seventeen words.)-- Mixon
>

texascavers Digest 27 Aug 2009 15:22:47 -0000 Issue 837

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texascavers Digest 27 Aug 2009 15:22:47 - Issue 837

Topics (messages 11878 through 11901):

Re: Reunion attendees: This just in...
11878 by: Fritz Holt
11879 by: George-Paul Richmann
11880 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
11881 by: Jon

Follow up on caving in China
11882 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net

Re: 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion
11883 by: donsid.comcast.net
11884 by: Gill Edigar
11892 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net

delete button
11885 by: Mixon Bill
11886 by: Heather Tucek
11888 by: Charles Goldsmith
11893 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
11896 by: Ed Alexander
11897 by: Brian Riordan
11898 by: Bill Bentley
11899 by: Stephen Fleming
11901 by: Charles Goldsmith

interesting news - free diving in sumps
11887 by: David
11894 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net

cave paleontology in the news
11889 by: David

The next cave film in theatres
11890 by: David

The September 2009 Issue of the Hole News
11891 by: Bill Bentley

Delete button and other email etiquette
11895 by: Andy Zenker
11900 by: Charles Goldsmith

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--- Begin Message ---
Me either.
fritz

From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:18 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Reunion attendees: This just in...

That's ok, I won't be drinking Miller or Bud Lite.

Stefan

From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com]


Beer prices are going up again. Buy it now before the reunion.

Anheuser-Busch InBev and MillerCoors say they will raise prices.


--

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confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
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medium.  Thank you.
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Life is too short for bad beer!

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Fritz Holt wrote:
> Me either.
> fritz
> 
> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:18 PM
> To: Texas Cavers
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Reunion attendees: This just in...
>
> That’s ok, I won’t be drinking Miller or Bud Lite.
>
>
>
> Stefan
>
>
>
> From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com]
>
>
>
> Beer prices are going up again. Buy it now before the reunion.
>
>
> Anheuser-Busch InBev and MillerCoors say they will raise prices.
>
>
>
> --
>
> IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
> confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
> recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
> contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the
> information in any medium.  Thank you.



-- 
George-Paul Richmann
(513) 490-3100
gprichm...@gmail.com
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Or, lest we forget.
 
The official sponsor of the TSA Convention in April:
 
Rahr and Sons Brewery.
 
Makers of Blind Salamander beer!
 
 
http://rahrbrewery.com/
 
 
 
Mark
 
 
(All this beer talk is making me thirsty. Thanks goodness I have a 12 pack of 
Shiner Bock at home!)



From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Wed 8/26/2009 2:14 PM
To: Louise Power; Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Reunion attendees: This just in...


Another good reason to drink the official beer of ICS:
 
 
Shiner!
 
 
www.shiner.com
 
 
 
Mark
 
 
 



From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wed 8/26/2009 2:13 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Reunion attendees: This just in...


Beer prices are going up again. Buy it now before the reunion.
 


Anheuser-Busch InBev and MillerCoors say they will raise prices.

 
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
 
Lets hear it for the Big Sal !
He never saw it coming !


--- On Wed, 8/26/09, mark.al...@l-3com.com  wrote:


From: mark.al...@l-3com.com 
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Reunion attendees: This just in...
To: "Louise Power" , "Texas Cavers" 

List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 2:36 PM




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Or, lest we forget.
 
The official sponsor of the TSA Convention in April:
 
Rahr and Sons Brewery.
 
Makers of Blind Salamander beer!
 
 
http://rahrbrewery.com/
 
 
 
Mark
 
 
(All this beer talk is making me thirsty. Thanks goodness I have a 12 pack of 
Shiner Bock at h

Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Charles Goldsmith]

Then there are the messages that people are going to ramble in, to get
their word count up high enough, and it will be pointless (or more so
than before) and now instead of me just reading a 1 line reply and
deleting, I have to sifter through a few paragraphs, looking for the
meat of the message and the real reply.

I'm not chastising Brian, Bill Mixon or anyone else.   If Bill wants
to have 100+ words in every reply, that's his right.  It's also
Brian's right to ramble.  As well, it's also Heather's right to reply
with 1 word.

We do have a few rules on the mailing list, review them at
http://texascavers.com

100 word minimum is NOT a rule, just a guideline set by one of our
respected members.

My advice, say it quick, make it to the point, and don't ramble, but
that's just me :)

Charles
list administrator that has been way too busy lately



On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Brian Riordan wrote:
> All,
>
> I don't mind so much either way.  I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
> go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
> list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
> (10,860 unread messages and counting).  This option, of course, would
> drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
> be the perfect answer.
>
> ...
>
> To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
> tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
> new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
> of love on her passage to adulthood:
>
> "...At first, Laurie couldn’t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
> chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
> now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
> that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
> her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
> thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
> chamomile was out of the question..."
>
> Warm Regards,
> -Brian
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander wrote:
>> Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
>> Thanks for the words Bill.
>>
>>
>> Mixon Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
>>> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
>>> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
>>> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
>>> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
>>> tell my computer to fetch it.
>>>
>>> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
>>> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
>>> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
>>> seventeen words.)-- Mixon

Re: [Texascavers] Delete button and other email etiquette

[Charles Goldsmith]

Andy, I disagree on your second point.  If you change the subject, it
messes up the threading (unless you are changing the subject, in which
case, you shouldn't be replying, you should start a new message).

The first is handled differently by different email messages.  Some
people have their email boxes set to handle To:'s  differently than
something that comes in on a list.  If its a reply to me, and the list
is copied, I want that email brought to my attention.

If your email app gives it to you twice, its just not smart enough to
realize its the same message and should be smacked around :)

Charles

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:32 AM, Andy Zenker wrote:
> Thank you for bringing this up, Bill.  I've been wanting to say this for a
> while.  I would also like to add that when you hit reply all, please remove
> the other recipients other than the texascavers email.  'Cause those people
> get everything twice which is really annoying.
>
> I know in Outlook it's easy to preview a message in the reading pane.  But I
> use Yahoo, and I actually have to open every single message and then hit
> delete.  It is very time consuming when it's 40 messages of nonsense.
>
> Another point ... change the subject line to reflect what your message is
> about.  That would make it easier to use the delete button without having to
> read them.
>
> Okay, I'm done.  :)
>
> Andy Zenker
> Texas Caver
>

Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Stephen Fleming]

Bill Bentley wrote:
As one being guilty of a reply with less than entire paragraph, I sit 
here and wonder how long a reply I could have made in asking the 
question of "Which one?" to Mr Goldsmith's repy to Mr. 
Creaser..But then would I have been guilty of rambling on and on? 
I guess in the future I will just stick to sending out grotto meeting 
notices and online publication notices & I will curb my short and long 
replies...


OK.

--
Stephen Fleming
__

Poor New Mexico! So far from Heaven; so close to Texas.

Manuel Armijo
Governor of the Department of New Mexico
1827-29, 1837-44, 1845-46


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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Bill Bentley]

As one being guilty of a reply with less than entire paragraph, I sit here 
and wonder how long a reply I could have made in asking the question of 
"Which one?" to Mr Goldsmith's repy to Mr. Creaser..But then would I 
have been guilty of rambling on and on? I guess in the future I will just 
stick to sending out grotto meeting notices and online publication notices & 
I will curb my short and long replies...


Bill
- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Riordan" 

To: "Cavers Texas" 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] delete button


All,

I don't mind so much either way.  I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
(10,860 unread messages and counting).  This option, of course, would
drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
be the perfect answer.

...

To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
of love on her passage to adulthood:

"...At first, Laurie couldn�t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
chamomile was out of the question..."

Warm Regards,
-Brian



On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander wrote:

Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
Thanks for the words Bill.


Mixon Bill wrote:


I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain 
to
those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by 
their

cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
tell my computer to fetch it.

If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to 
the
original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one 
hundred

seventeen words.)-- Mixon

To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.

You may "reply" to the address this message
came from, but for long-term use, save:
Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org











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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Brian Riordan]

All,

I don't mind so much either way.  I firmly believe Gmail is the way to
go- it automatically files responses all together, truncating my inbox
list, and has enough space that I don't care if I have unread messages
(10,860 unread messages and counting).  This option, of course, would
drive type A personalities insane, so personality depending: Gmail may
be the perfect answer.

...

To fulfill my word requirements, please feel free to put on a pot for
tea, grab a favorite afghan, kick back and enjoy and excerpt from my
new short story about a young woman struggling with the growing pains
of love on her passage to adulthood:

"...At first, Laurie couldn’t decide which kind of tea she wanted. The
chamomile, which used to be her favorite for lazy evenings at home,
now reminded her too much of Carl, who once said, in happier times,
that he liked chamomile. But she felt she must now, at all costs, keep
her mind off Carl. His possessiveness was suffocating, and if she
thought about him too much her asthma started acting up again. So
chamomile was out of the question..."

Warm Regards,
-Brian



On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Ed Alexander wrote:
> Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
> Thanks for the words Bill.
>
>
> Mixon Bill wrote:
>>
>> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
>> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
>> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to
>> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their
>> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
>> tell my computer to fetch it.
>>
>> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
>> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the
>> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred
>> seventeen words.)-- Mixon
>> 
>> To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
>> 
>> You may "reply" to the address this message
>> came from, but for long-term use, save:
>> Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
>> AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[NMCAVER] PBSS dig in Sonora

[J. LaRue Thomas]

All,
As you may (or not) have noticed from the meeting notes, our October dig in 
Sonora has been changed to the weekend of October10th. As usual, Friday 
evening through Sunday morning.


If I didn't hear from you before when I was calling for comments and/or 
objections, no whining now.


I would sure like to hear from all who plan to attend, though. Jacqui 



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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Ed Alexander]

Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
Thanks for the words Bill.


Mixon Bill wrote:
I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a 
while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words 
each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real 
pain to those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are 
pestered by their cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my 
e-mail only when I tell my computer to fetch it.


If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and 
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to 
the original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one 
hundred seventeen words.)-- Mixon


To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.

You may "reply" to the address this message
came from, but for long-term use, save:
Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
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Re: cavetex archives

[Bill Bentley]

call me 432-557-3094 my cell phone number

- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Goldsmith" 

To: "Bill Bentley" 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:50 AM
Subject: cavetex archives



Bill, I joined cavetex back June 16th of 2005, and I'm assuming that
you were one of the first to join up, but if not, you can probably
help me out.

I'm looking to build the complete archives, and I'm not picky about
formats at this time, depending on how hard it will be to import into
the google archives and my personal stuff.

Can you send me what you have prior to 06/16/2005?

Thanks
Charles

Re: cavetex archives

[Bill Bentley]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Bentley" 

To: "Charles Goldsmith" 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: cavetex archives



I have it from 4-14-1998 to 9-19-2005

it is archived by yearin outlook express format  i.e 1998, 1999, 2000,
and so on.


I have a way to create a PDF file for each year (folder)



- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Goldsmith" 

To: "Bill Bentley" 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:50 AM
Subject: cavetex archives



Bill, I joined cavetex back June 16th of 2005, and I'm assuming that
you were one of the first to join up, but if not, you can probably
help me out.

I'm looking to build the complete archives, and I'm not picky about
formats at this time, depending on how hard it will be to import into
the google archives and my personal stuff.

Can you send me what you have prior to 06/16/2005?

Thanks
Charles





Cavetex 2003.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
<>

Re: cavetex archives

[Bill Bentley]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Bentley" 

To: "Charles Goldsmith" 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: cavetex archives



I have it from 4-14-1998 to 9-19-2005

it is archived by yearin outlook express format  i.e 1998, 1999, 2000,
and so on.


I have a way to create a PDF file for each year (folder)



- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Goldsmith" 

To: "Bill Bentley" 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:50 AM
Subject: cavetex archives



Bill, I joined cavetex back June 16th of 2005, and I'm assuming that
you were one of the first to join up, but if not, you can probably
help me out.

I'm looking to build the complete archives, and I'm not picky about
formats at this time, depending on how hard it will be to import into
the google archives and my personal stuff.

Can you send me what you have prior to 06/16/2005?

Thanks
Charles





Cavetex 2001.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
<>

Re: cavetex archives

[Bill Bentley]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Bentley" 

To: "Charles Goldsmith" 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: cavetex archives



I have it from 4-14-1998 to 9-19-2005

it is archived by yearin outlook express format  i.e 1998, 1999, 2000,
and so on.


I have a way to create a PDF file for each year (folder)



- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Goldsmith" 

To: "Bill Bentley" 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:50 AM
Subject: cavetex archives



Bill, I joined cavetex back June 16th of 2005, and I'm assuming that
you were one of the first to join up, but if not, you can probably
help me out.

I'm looking to build the complete archives, and I'm not picky about
formats at this time, depending on how hard it will be to import into
the google archives and my personal stuff.

Can you send me what you have prior to 06/16/2005?

Thanks
Charles



<>


Cavetex 1998.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
<>


Cavetex 1999.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
<>


Cavetex 2000.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document

Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Heather Tucek]

I couldn't help myself. I could just see Bill rolling his eyes at me. I'm
sure I'll hear no end of it at the next Grotto meeting... :p

2009/8/26 Charles Goldsmith 

> ROFL, too funny Heather.
>
> I started to reply to all, but I best not stir the pot just yet...
>
> Charles
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Heather Tucek
> wrote:
> > Ok.
> >
> >
> > ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > 2009/8/26 Mixon Bill 
> >>
> >> I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a
> >> while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words
> >> each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real
> pain to
> >> those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by
> their
> >> cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I
> >> tell my computer to fetch it.
> >>
> >> If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and
> >> interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to
> the
> >> original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one
> hundred
> >> seventeen words.)-- Mixon
> >> 
> >> To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
> >> 
> >> You may "reply" to the address this message
> >> came from, but for long-term use, save:
> >> Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
> >> AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com
> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com
> >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Go find out!
> > -Heather Tuček
> > UT Grotto
> > NSS 59660
> > (512) 773-1348
> > trog...@cavechat.org
> >
>



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Go find out!
-Heather Tuček
UT Grotto
NSS 59660
(512) 773-1348
trog...@cavechat.org

Re: cavetex archives

[Bill Bentley]

I have it from 4-14-1998 to 9-19-2005

it is archived by yearin outlook express format  i.e 1998, 1999, 2000, 
and so on.



I have a way to create a PDF file for each year (folder)



- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Goldsmith" 

To: "Bill Bentley" 
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:50 AM
Subject: cavetex archives



Bill, I joined cavetex back June 16th of 2005, and I'm assuming that
you were one of the first to join up, but if not, you can probably
help me out.

I'm looking to build the complete archives, and I'm not picky about
formats at this time, depending on how hard it will be to import into
the google archives and my personal stuff.

Can you send me what you have prior to 06/16/2005?

Thanks
Charles



Cavetex 1998.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document

[Texascavers] Delete button and other email etiquette

[Andy Zenker]

Thank you for bringing this up, Bill.  I've been wanting to say this for a 
while.  I would also like to add that when you hit reply all, please remove the 
other recipients other than the texascavers email.  'Cause those people get 
everything twice which is really annoying.

I know in Outlook it's easy to preview a message in the reading pane.  But I 
use Yahoo, and I actually have to open every single message and then hit 
delete.  It is very time consuming when it's 40 messages of nonsense.

Another point ... change the subject line to reflect what your message is 
about.  That would make it easier to use the delete button without having to 
read them.

Okay, I'm done.  :)

Andy Zenker
Texas Caver




--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Mixon Bill  wrote:

From: Mixon Bill 
Subject: [Texascavers] delete button
To: "Cavers Texas" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 9:41 PM

I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a while 
to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words each. And 
those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to those who 
monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their cell phones 
every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I tell my computer 
to fetch it.

If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and 
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the 
original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred 
seventeen words.)-- Mixon

To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.

You may "reply" to the address this message
came from, but for long-term use, save:
Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org











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Re: [Texascavers] interesting news - free diving in sumps

[tbsamsel]

I did Aqua in Bath County VA in 1995 or 1996.
 
TAug 26, 2009 10:28:10 PM, dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:
How many of you have ever been in a cave and done a "duck under" ?Like maybe in Honey Creek, where youhold your breath for just a second and go thru a very short sump andpop out on the other side.Or how about free diving a very short sump where you have to swim afew feet like in Carrizal or Acahuizotla?Well here is a very crazy guy in Austalia that went 395 feet on asingle breath of air thru an underwatercave passage:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6808538.ecehttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00605/news_dive_605008a.jpgHere is a summary:Mike Wells swam through Fish Rock Cave in only two minutes and 40 seconds.He narrowly averted disaster when his MONOFIN became trapped in anarrow crevice. His son, a member of the support team, freed him.“It was very hard,” Mr Wells said.Mr Wells, who describes freediving as a “grand madness”, followed arope to dive down to the tunnel entrance and swam through the cave tothe pool of light that marked its exit.The cave, on the New South Wales coast, has an ocean surge that sweepsthrough the narrow chambers.Most experts thought the cave was too long and dangerous for anyone toget through without oxygen tanks.Mr Wells’s respiratory specialist, Professor Matthew Peters, describedthe pressure that would be placed on his body:“During this dive, his lungs will compress dramatically, his diaphragmwill move up, his ribs will cave in,” he said.David Locklear-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[tbsamsel]

Mixon don't Tweet.Aug 26, 2009 09:41:36 PM, bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote:
I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real pain to those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are pestered by their cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my e-mail only when I tell my computer to fetch it.If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to the original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one hundred seventeen words.)-- MixonTo enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.You may "reply" to the address this messagecame from, but for long-term use, save:Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.eduAMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com

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Re: Re: [Texascavers] 2009 Texas Cavers Reunion

[tbsamsel]

As Johnny Winter sang in 1968:
  "When you go to Dallas
    Take your razor & your gun
    There's so much sh*t in Texas
 You're bound to step in some"
 
And the Austin Lounge Lizards:
 
"Dallas, Texas", another song about infidelity almost starts in Nashville (but the singer's never been there), so he threatens to "go back to Dallas, Texas to see if anything could be worse than losing you." 
 
T.Aug 26, 2009 08:48:44 PM, gi...@att.net wrote:

Did I read that correctly? Dallas has it's good points? Yeah, I guess, but most--maybe not all, to be fair--of them are several hours drive out of town. I was there once; I know.
--Ediger

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