[Texascavers] driving question - TAG area

[David]

Has anyone driven from the New Orleans area towards Roanoke, Virginia?

Google has 2 routes.   One going thru Chattanooga, Tennessee,
about 13 1/2 hours and the other thru Atlanta which is 14 1/2 hours.

I am leaning towards the longer route thru Atlanta.

I think I am asking what the drive between Atlanta and Charlotte, North
Carolina is like. And how it compares to the drive from Chattanooga
to Blacksburg, Virginia.

Please e-mail me privately.


David Locklear

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[Texascavers] Re: first cave trip, and monkeys

[Logan McNatt]

Dave,
I recommend Carlsbad Caverns, which was my first cave trip when I was 2 
1/2. I agree with Stephan that you need to wait awhile so she might 
remember it. And as Pete implied, pictures will help jog her memory. I 
have photos of me at the entrance of Carlsbad with a huge bandage 
wrapped around my right hand. We had stopped at a roadside zoo in White 
City, where the old man who owned the place had let the 
chimpanzee/tailless monkey/ape/Cheetah out of the cage and forgotten 
about it. My brother and I wandered by, the chimp put my hand in his 
mouth and started dragging me off, my brother ran back to my Dad 
screaming "A monkey's got Logan", and Dad came to the rescue.


I still have the scar on my wrist, and I think my very first visual 
memory is--sadly, not of the cave--but of that chimp ambling toward me. 
But that's not nearly as scary as the thought of seeing the corpse of 
Floyd Collins wearing diapers.


LowGun

--
Pete Lindsley wrote: We took our 1st born down some Big Bend rapids in a 
kayak at age = -1 month. First cave trip was at about +10 months as I 
recall. Floyd Collins Crystal Cave, part of Mammoth Cave, and I have a 
picture of the kid peering into Floyd's coffin. He was still in diapers. 
By age 4 they are big enough to crawl into a tight space where you can't 
get them, so you need to lay off certain caves until they get some sense 
about falling down tight pits. That could take another 4-40 years ;-)

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Stephan Creaser wrote: Surely you�ll want her to remember her first 
caving trip? If so you�re gonna have to wait until she�s about 3.

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David McClung wrote: i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go 
caving for the first time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a 
good cave to go to. I will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or 
maybe not.



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[Texascavers] Re: first cave trip

[Mark Minton]

Take her to Airmen's.  It'll be easier for her than you.  :-)

Mark Minton

At 01:32 PM 7/22/2010, David McClung wrote:
i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the 
first time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave 
to go to. I will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.


chow, dave mc


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RE: [ot_caving] What is this?

[Louise Power]

Whatever type of artifact it is, it doesn't cast a shadow even at the street 
view.
 


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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:54:48 -0600
Subject: [ot_caving] What is this?





http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=47.978647,0.208614&spn=0.001291,0.002411&t=k&z=19

Re: [ot_caving] What is this?

[Don Cooper]

It's one of those black holes that drifted away from the Super Hadron
Collider.

-WaV

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Bill Bentley  wrote:

>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=47.978647,0.208614&spn=0.001291,0.002411&t=k&z=19
>

[ot_caving] What is this?

[Bill Bentley]

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=47.978647,0.208614&spn=0.001291,0.002411&t=k&z=19

Re: [Texascavers] first cave trip

[Pete Lindsley]

We took our 1st born down some Big Bend rapids in a kayak at age = -1  
month. First cave trip was at about +10 months as I recall. Floyd  
Collins Crystal Cave, part of Mammoth Cave, and I have a picture of  
the kid peering into Floyd's coffin. He was still in diapers. By age 4  
they are big enough to crawl into a tight space where you can't get  
them, so you need to lay off certain caves until they get some sense  
about falling down tight pits. That could take another 4-40 years ;-)


 - Pete

On Jul 22, 2010, at 11:32 AM, David McClung wrote:

i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the  
first time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to  
go to. I will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.


chow, dave mc

[ot_caving] FW: A day at the beach - this is SUCH an upper!

[Fritz Holt]

OT BUT EVERYONE WILL ENJOY THIS.

FRITZ


From: CR [mailto:c...@wt.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:24 PM
To: Bob Germany
Subject: Fw: A day at the beach - this is SUCH an upper!





Take a breather..forget your problems for a few minutes & get ready to smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=pkPNa4DBFHI

Re: [Texascavers] Wes Skiles

[Brandon Cook]

Family's statement, courtesy of Jill Heinerth:



Wes Skiles' Family Statement:

Thursday, July, 22, 2010

1500PM



The Skiles family has asked me to distribute this statement:





Wes Skiles died while diving off West Palm Beach on Wednesday, July 21.



He was conducting a routine filming dive when the accident occurred. No 
one else was injured.



There are no further details regarding the accident at this time. The 
exact cause has not yet been determined and we are awaiting official 
reports.



Wes has been a tireless advocate for springs, springsheds and the 
conservation and protection of Florida’s water resources.



At the time of his death, he was excited about the upcoming issue of 
National Geographic Magazine, which features his photographs and the 
cover shot. We appreciate all of the concern and outpouring of support.



We celebrate his extraordinary life and ask you to do the same.



The family requests that you respect their privacy at this time.



Memorial arrangements will be announced in the near future.


--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Fofo  wrote:

From: Fofo 
Subject: [Texascavers] Wes Skiles
To: "texascavers" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 8:03 AM

Hello.

Wes Skiles, famous cave diver and explorer, died yesterday during a National 
Geographic work dive off West Palm Beach.

I don't have more information now, but this is sad news.

     - Fofo

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Re: [Texascavers] Wes Skiles

[Keith Goggin]

"Here in Hogtown we are crushed. Wes was the best, larger than life, a  
motorcycle riding, beer drinking, bad joke telling, world traveling, deep 
diving 

superhero."

Amen to that.  We're crushed here in Houston as well.  I will miss him a great 
deal.

texascavers Digest 22 Jul 2010 21:01:24 -0000 Issue 1109

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texascavers Digest 22 Jul 2010 21:01:24 - Issue 1109

Topics (messages 15515 through 15530):

Re: Tropical Storm Bonnie
15515 by: Sheryl Rieck
15519 by: Fritz Holt

first cave trip
15516 by: David McClung
15517 by: Fritz Holt
15518 by: ryan monjaras
15520 by: Gary McDaniel
15521 by: Fritz Holt
15522 by: Stefan Creaser
15526 by: Leslie Bell
15530 by: John Brooks

Re: Monkey skeleton found in underwater cave...
15523 by: Josh Rubinstein
15524 by: russ johnson

Monkeys, Wes
15525 by: BMorgan994.aol.com

a good first cave
15527 by: David
15529 by: Stefan Creaser

Re: Wes Skiles
15528 by: Dave H. Crusoe

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   Well, David, I hate to burst your bubble, but the storm is so far
away, no one knows where it is going. Predicting hurricane tracks is like
predicting weather in TX. You can make a guess, but you will be wrong. If
you are right, it is an anomaly and the weather will change so you are wrong
anyway. I'll worry when it is closer and believe the models when it is
imminent.
   
   Sheryl
   
   -Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:55 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Tropical Storm Bonnie
   
   The tropical depression that is currently north of eastern Cuba
   is forecasted to become Tropical Storm Bonnie tonight.
   
   It is headed for the Beaumont area just like Hurricane Rita,
   to make landfall on Monday night, and be in Texarkana,
   by Tuesday.
   
   This could effect cavers heading on a road-trips, maybe
   even towards Arkansas, as it could dump a lot of rain.
   
   I can't leave before the storm passes, or changes course and heads
   further south for Port Aransas ( just kidding Sheryl ).
   
   If the storm moves up the coast along the route that cavers are
   driving to the convention, that could make for a 2,000 mile wet
   journey.
   
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Sheryl,

How could you doubt David's prediction?

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:shri...@cableone.net] 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:19 PM
To: 'TexasCavers'
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Tropical Storm Bonnie

   Well, David, I hate to burst your bubble, but the storm is so far
away, no one knows where it is going. Predicting hurricane tracks is like
predicting weather in TX. You can make a guess, but you will be wrong. If
you are right, it is an anomaly and the weather will change so you are wrong
anyway. I'll worry when it is closer and believe the models when it is
imminent.
   
   Sheryl
   
   -Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:55 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Tropical Storm Bonnie
   
   The tropical depression that is currently north of eastern Cuba
   is forecasted to become Tropical Storm Bonnie tonight.
   
   It is headed for the Beaumont area just like Hurricane Rita,
   to make landfall on Monday night, and be in Texarkana,
   by Tuesday.
   
   This could effect cavers heading on a road-trips, maybe
   even towards Arkansas, as it could dump a lot of rain.
   
   I can't leave before the storm passes, or changes course and heads
   further south for Port Aransas ( just kidding Sheryl ).
   
   If the storm moves up the coast along the route that cavers are
   driving to the convention, that could make for a 2,000 mile wet
   journey.
   
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i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time 
and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait 
till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.
 
c

Re: [Texascavers] first cave trip

[John Brooks]

I would highly reccommend Sotano de los Golindrinos for infants. Anything less 
would just be bad parenting. And just imagine the lifetime of bragging rights: 
"my dad took me to and DOWN Golindrinos when I was 16 months old."

It would be easy to rig some type of suspension harness to suspend her below 
you for the rappel down and climb back up.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2010, at 12:32 PM, David McClung  wrote:

i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time 
and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait 
till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.
 
chow, dave mc

RE: [Texascavers] a good first cave

[Stefan Creaser]

David,

> This is a good first cave for anybody that already has an interest
> in caves, because it has a different speleogenesis than
> most commercial caves.

This might preclude Dave from taking his daughter there; I somehow
suspect that a 5 month old does not already have an interest in caves,
she probably has no idea they exist! ;-)

Cheers,
Stefan


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Re: [Texascavers] Wes Skiles

[Dave H. Crusoe]

The National Geographic tribute: 
http://blogs.nationalgeographic.com/blogs/news/chiefeditor/2010/07/national-geographic-photographer-wes-skiles-dies.html


On Jul 22, 2010, at 12:59 PM, Josh Rubinstein wrote:


Here is some more information.  
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/national-geographic-freelance-photographer-drowns-off-boynton-beach-817521.html

Josh
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Frank Binney  
 wrote:
Very sad news indeed. I was just looking at Wes' beautiful  
photography of

the Bahama blue holes in the new Nat Geo issue yesterday.
I served with Wes on a past NSS video salon jury and have a  
collection of

his programs--the best underwater cave imagery I've ever seen.
I'll be looking at his videos tonight and thinking about what an  
incredible

contribution he made in his life.
Frank


On 7/22/10 6:03 AM, "Fofo Gonzalez"  wrote:

> Hello.
>
> Wes Skiles, famous cave diver and explorer, died yesterday during a
> National Geographic work dive off West Palm Beach.
>
> I don't have more information now, but this is sad news.
>
>   - Fofo
>
>  
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[Texascavers] a good first cave

[David]

As far as commercial caves go, I like to recommend
Alabaster Cavern's in Oklahoma.

This is a good first cave for anybody that already has an interest
in caves, because it has a different speleogenesis than
most commercial caves.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9232573@N02/2563288068/in/set-72157605507013982/

According the the authority of Wikipedia, it is the largest natural
gypsum cave in the world that is open to the public.

( as opposed to the largest un-natural gypsum cave ?? )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabaster_Caverns_State_Park

I wish it were not such a long drive.   I want to take my daughter
there.

David Locklear

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RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip

[Leslie Bell]

Avery Ranch and Dies Ranch Treasure Cave are both open to the public on Cave 
Day in Cedar Park, which occurs twice a year.
 
Both would be good for the mini caver, but Avery does have more formations to 
be sure.

Leslie Bell 


--- On Thu, 7/22/10, ryan monjaras  wrote:


From: ryan monjaras 
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip
To: david.mccl...@sbcglobal.net, "texas cavers" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 12:49 PM




take her to cave day, http://texascaves.org/cave_day.html


"Semper Exploro" Ryan Monjaras

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Dave,
 
I only know of four Austin area caves and two are not suitable for a one year 
old. Just to say she has been in one, take her to Avery Ranch Cave or Dyes? 
Ranch Treasure Cave. Both are in Cedar Park and only about 100 feet long with 
no hiking as they are both in the middle of residential neighborhoods Avery is 
the better and easier of the two.
 
Fritz
 




From: David McClung [mailto:david.mccl...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip
 





i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time 
and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait 
till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.

 

chow, dave mc
 


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[Texascavers] Monkeys, Wes

[BMorgan994]

I'm no expert on any of this, but is not all or part of Hispanola a  well  
traveled craton? There are other otherwise ancient inexplicable  critters 
there  too like the solenodon. Old world monkeys have tails  too, but 
diverged 
from new  world monkeys a very long time ago. Most  people think Primates 
are a 
recent  group but that is just not the  case. If I am not mistaken they 
have 
been around  since before the  dinosaurs looked up to see the comet. No 
time 
to fact check any  of  this. 

Here in Hogtown we are crushed. Wes was the best, larger than  life, a  
motorcycle riding, beer drinking, bad joke telling, world  traveling, deep 
diving 
superhero. This right after his best bud Pete Butt  got gobbled by a gator. 
He  will be sorely  missed!

Sleaze

Re: [Texascavers] Monkey skeleton found in underwater cave...

[russ johnson]

> >Me.  I want my tail back.  I could use another point of contact.
>

Maybe then Laddie, you could cast your lot in with the Caver Primates of the
Caribbean, ARrrrggg...

Re: [Texascavers] Monkey skeleton found in underwater cave...

[Josh Rubinstein]

Me.  I want my tail back.  I could use another point of contact.

Josh

Repeal Evolution.

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Bill Bentley  wrote:

>  Or some of my cousins! LOL
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Heather Tucek 
> *To:* Gill Edigar 
> *Cc:* David  ; texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:09 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Monkey skeleton found in underwater cave...
>
> Tailless monkeys are called "apes".
>
>
> On 22 July 2010 07:36, Gill Edigar  wrote:
>
>>  And what makes anybody think this beast came
>> from Africa? Did it have a tail? Old World monkey are tailless; New
>> World monkeys have tails. Are they even related to each other?
>> --Ediger
>>
>>

RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip

[Stefan Creaser]

Surely you'll want her to remember her first caving trip? If so you're
gonna have to wait until she's about 3.

 

Stefan

 

From: David McClung [mailto:david.mccl...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip

 

i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first
time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I
will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.

 

chow, dave mc

 


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RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip

[Fritz Holt]

Makes sense to me. I'm sure a few have been thrown in before.


From: Gary McDaniel [mailto:scar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:52 PM
Cc: David McClung; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] first cave trip


Golandrinas!

Sent from my iPhone.

On Jul 22, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Fritz Holt 
mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com>> wrote:
Dave,

I only know of four Austin area caves and two are not suitable for a one year 
old. Just to say she has been in one, take her to Avery Ranch Cave or Dyes? 
Ranch Treasure Cave. Both are in Cedar Park and only about 100 feet long with 
no hiking as they are both in the middle of residential neighborhoods Avery is 
the better and easier of the two.

Fritz


From: David McClung 
[mailto:david.mccl...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM
To:  
texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip

i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time 
and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait 
till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.

chow, dave mc

Re: [Texascavers] first cave trip

[Gary McDaniel]

Golandrinas!

Sent from my iPhone.

On Jul 22, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Fritz Holt   
wrote:



Dave,

I only know of four Austin area caves and two are not suitable for a  
one year old. Just to say she has been in one, take her to Avery  
Ranch Cave or Dyes? Ranch Treasure Cave. Both are in Cedar Park and  
only about 100 feet long with no hiking as they are both in the  
middle of residential neighborhoods Avery is the better and easier  
of the two.


Fritz

From: David McClung [mailto:david.mccl...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip

i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need   to go caving for the  
first time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave  
to go to. I will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.


chow, dave mc

RE: [Texascavers] Tropical Storm Bonnie

[Fritz Holt]

Sheryl,

How could you doubt David's prediction?

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:shri...@cableone.net] 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:19 PM
To: 'TexasCavers'
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Tropical Storm Bonnie

   Well, David, I hate to burst your bubble, but the storm is so far
away, no one knows where it is going. Predicting hurricane tracks is like
predicting weather in TX. You can make a guess, but you will be wrong. If
you are right, it is an anomaly and the weather will change so you are wrong
anyway. I'll worry when it is closer and believe the models when it is
imminent.
   
   Sheryl
   
   -Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:55 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Tropical Storm Bonnie
   
   The tropical depression that is currently north of eastern Cuba
   is forecasted to become Tropical Storm Bonnie tonight.
   
   It is headed for the Beaumont area just like Hurricane Rita,
   to make landfall on Monday night, and be in Texarkana,
   by Tuesday.
   
   This could effect cavers heading on a road-trips, maybe
   even towards Arkansas, as it could dump a lot of rain.
   
   I can't leave before the storm passes, or changes course and heads
   further south for Port Aransas ( just kidding Sheryl ).
   
   If the storm moves up the coast along the route that cavers are
   driving to the convention, that could make for a 2,000 mile wet
   journey.
   
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RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip

[ryan monjaras]

take her to cave day, http://texascaves.org/cave_day.html

"Semper Exploro" Ryan MonjarasMaverick GrottoCowtown GrottoDFW 
Grotto(832)754-5778



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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:37:19 -0500
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip

























Dave,

 

I only know of four Austin area caves and
two are not suitable for a one year old. Just to say she has been in one, take
her to Avery Ranch Cave
or Dyes? Ranch Treasure Cave.
Both are in Cedar
 Park and only about 100
feet long with no hiking as they are both in the middle of residential
neighborhoods Avery is the better and easier of the two.

 

Fritz

 









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Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010
12:32 PM

To: texascavers@texascavers.com

Subject: [Texascavers] first cave
trip



 


 
  
  
  i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need
  to go caving for the first time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a
  good cave to go to. I will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe
  not.
  
  
   
  
  
  chow, dave mc
  
  
 


 

  
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RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip

[Fritz Holt]

Dave,

I only know of four Austin area caves and two are not suitable for a one year 
old. Just to say she has been in one, take her to Avery Ranch Cave or Dyes? 
Ranch Treasure Cave. Both are in Cedar Park and only about 100 feet long with 
no hiking as they are both in the middle of residential neighborhoods Avery is 
the better and easier of the two.

Fritz


From: David McClung [mailto:david.mccl...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip

i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time 
and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait 
till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.

chow, dave mc

[Texascavers] first cave trip

[David McClung]

i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time 
and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait 
till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.
 
chow, dave mc

Re: oh yeah

[Charles Goldsmith]

Oh cool, has he fed anything new back to you?

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Scott Kyle wrote:

> Jerry did surveying but no lighting work.
> Scott
>
> On Jul 22, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
>
> Reason why I was asking, you sent me an email a couple of weeks ago, asking
> for my cell for Jerry Atkin, but I never received a call from him, so was
> curious if anything was done.
>
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Scott Kyle wrote:
>
>> Charles: I don't think any work has been done. I believe Ryan didn't do
>> any wiring work.
>> Thanks again,
>> Scott
>>
>>
>

Re: oh yeah

[Scott Kyle]

Jerry did surveying but no lighting work.
Scott
On Jul 22, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:

> Reason why I was asking, you sent me an email a couple of weeks ago, asking 
> for my cell for Jerry Atkin, but I never received a call from him, so was 
> curious if anything was done.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Scott Kyle  wrote:
> Charles: I don't think any work has been done. I believe Ryan didn't do any 
> wiring work.
> Thanks again,
> Scott
> 

RE: [Texascavers] Tropical Storm Bonnie

[Sheryl Rieck]

   Well, David, I hate to burst your bubble, but the storm is so far
away, no one knows where it is going. Predicting hurricane tracks is like
predicting weather in TX. You can make a guess, but you will be wrong. If
you are right, it is an anomaly and the weather will change so you are wrong
anyway. I'll worry when it is closer and believe the models when it is
imminent.
   
   Sheryl
   
   -Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:55 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Tropical Storm Bonnie
   
   The tropical depression that is currently north of eastern Cuba
   is forecasted to become Tropical Storm Bonnie tonight.
   
   It is headed for the Beaumont area just like Hurricane Rita,
   to make landfall on Monday night, and be in Texarkana,
   by Tuesday.
   
   This could effect cavers heading on a road-trips, maybe
   even towards Arkansas, as it could dump a lot of rain.
   
   I can't leave before the storm passes, or changes course and heads
   further south for Port Aransas ( just kidding Sheryl ).
   
   If the storm moves up the coast along the route that cavers are
   driving to the convention, that could make for a 2,000 mile wet
   journey.
   
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texascavers Digest 22 Jul 2010 17:10:42 -0000 Issue 1108

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texascavers Digest 22 Jul 2010 17:10:42 - Issue 1108

Topics (messages 15485 through 15514):

Re: Almagre, TAMS sat image
15485 by: Albach
15492 by: Gill Edigar
15497 by: Kurt L. Menking

Re: for cavers needing ride to Vermont
15486 by: Mark Minton

Re: Almagre -- clues in the shadows
15487 by: Stefan Creaser
15491 by: Don Cooper
15493 by: Gill Edigar

image of pond workers
15488 by: David
15489 by: ryan monjaras

The blind cave salamander that lives to 100
15490 by: Lee H. Skinner

15th ICS -- Introducing the 16th ICS!
15494 by: gveni.warpdriveonline.com
15499 by: Mixon Bill

image manipulation
15495 by: Sam Young
15496 by: Louise Power

Candwiches--the new cave food
15498 by: Louise Power
15504 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net

that salamander
15500 by: Mixon Bill
15502 by: John Greer

Monkey skeleton found in underwater cave...
15501 by: Stefan Creaser
15503 by: David
15505 by: Gill Edigar
15507 by: Heather Tucek
15508 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net
15514 by: Bill Bentley

Wes Skiles
15506 by: Fofo
15509 by: Geary Schindel
15510 by: Frank Binney
15513 by: Josh Rubinstein

New Deep Sea Vents
15511 by: Mark Minton

Tropical Storm Bonnie
15512 by: David

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actually every lake and pond in that image area has that pattern it seems

Bill Bentley wrote:

here is another one way up in Canada

http://www.rodsbot.com/google-earth-1190.htm


- Original Message - From: "Albach" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:27 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Almagre, TAMS sat image


Was wondering if anybody had been to this area (nw of aldama / 
zacaton ). Most strange image from Google Maps at:
23.108505,-98.333669 - right side of road - looks like a pond from on 
high but zoom in shows very structure - was hoping somebody knew what 
it was.


Thanks,

-Robert


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So, if they're digital artifacts, you're saying that the
camera/computer/digitizer is sorta like on an acid trip trying to fill
in the blanks created by a lack of processable information from a
glass-smooth, neutral colored water surface? It's recording the
results of an open-ended search for matching data? Seems silly to me,
but maybe.
--Ediger

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Albach  wrote:
> actually every lake and pond in that image area has that pattern it seems
>
> Bill Bentley wrote:
>>
>> here is another one way up in Canada
>>
>> http://www.rodsbot.com/google-earth-1190.htm
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Albach" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 9:27 PM
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Almagre, TAMS sat image
>>
>>
>>> Was wondering if anybody had been to this area (nw of aldama / zacaton ).
>>> Most strange image from Google Maps at:
>>> 23.108505,-98.333669 - right side of road - looks like a pond from on
>>> high but zoom in shows very structure - was hoping somebody knew what it
>>> was.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -Robert
>>>
>>>
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I've worked with aerial mapping for years, and I'm pretty sure this is a
common problem caused by the compression software used to reduce the
file sizes on aerial imagery.  When the compression software sees areas
of nearly consistent color it tries to build rectangular blocks and
store them as a single item instead of referencing each pixel
individually.  When these consistent areas (like ponds) are closer to
the black end of the color spectrum the software gets especially
confused and starts building the rectangles in random patterns and with
slight variations of dark colors.

If you look around Google earth, especially in the Canada area posted
earlier you'll see hundreds of examples of this rectangular compression
confusion.

Kurt




-Original Message-
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] 

Re: [Texascavers] Monkey skeleton found in underwater cave...

[Bill Bentley]

Or some of my cousins! LOL

  - Original Message - 
  From: Heather Tucek 
  To: Gill Edigar 
  Cc: David ; texascavers@texascavers.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Monkey skeleton found in underwater cave...


  Tailless monkeys are called "apes".



  On 22 July 2010 07:36, Gill Edigar  wrote:

 And what makes anybody think this beast came
from Africa? Did it have a tail? Old World monkey are tailless; New
World monkeys have tails. Are they even related to each other?
--Ediger

Re: oh yeah

[Charles Goldsmith]

Reason why I was asking, you sent me an email a couple of weeks ago, asking
for my cell for Jerry Atkin, but I never received a call from him, so was
curious if anything was done.

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Scott Kyle wrote:

> Charles: I don't think any work has been done. I believe Ryan didn't do any
> wiring work.
> Thanks again,
> Scott
>
>

Re: oh yeah

[Scott Kyle]

Charles: I don't think any work has been done. I believe Ryan didn't do any 
wiring work.
Thanks again,
Scott

On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:30 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:

> Heh, yeah, I can offer daily digest, which gives them to you in chunks, about 
> once a day, but it varies depending on the number of emails.  I'll convert 
> you over.
> 
> Email sorting into folders is your best friend, this is not a busy list :)
> 
> I haven't been back since June, this month has just been busy for me, but I'm 
> still planning on being out there July 31st, and so far 5 others said they'd 
> be there to help me, with a couple of them that helped me in June, so I'll 
> have some vets.
> 
> Do you know if anymore works has been done in the Imagination room since I've 
> been there?
> 
> Charles
> 
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Scott Kyle  wrote:
> Charles: Is there a way to get just a daily or weekly review or web view of 
> the Caver's mail list? It is quite a busy list and I'm not able to keep up on 
> a regular basis.
> 
> Best, Scott
> 
> PS: Did you get out to the cave again yet?
> 
> On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> 
> > Forgot to mention something to you, your drill that we've been using has an 
> > issue with the trigger, hard as hell to use one handed.  I brought my own 
> > last time and glad I did.  Maybe John could take a look at it and fix it?
> >
> > Did you see my email about the wiring?  If needed, I'll go pick some up.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Charles
> 
> 

Re: [Texascavers] Wes Skiles

[Josh Rubinstein]

Here is some more information.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/national-geographic-freelance-photographer-drowns-off-boynton-beach-817521.html

Josh
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Frank Binney  wrote:

> Very sad news indeed. I was just looking at Wes' beautiful photography of
> the Bahama blue holes in the new Nat Geo issue yesterday.
> I served with Wes on a past NSS video salon jury and have a collection of
> his programs--the best underwater cave imagery I've ever seen.
> I'll be looking at his videos tonight and thinking about what an incredible
> contribution he made in his life.
> Frank
>
>
> On 7/22/10 6:03 AM, "Fofo Gonzalez"  wrote:
>
> > Hello.
> >
> > Wes Skiles, famous cave diver and explorer, died yesterday during a
> > National Geographic work dive off West Palm Beach.
> >
> > I don't have more information now, but this is sad news.
> >
> >   - Fofo
> >
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[Texascavers] Tropical Storm Bonnie

[David]

The tropical depression that is currently north of eastern Cuba
is forecasted to become Tropical Storm Bonnie tonight.

It is headed for the Beaumont area just like Hurricane Rita,
to make landfall on Monday night, and be in Texarkana,
by Tuesday.

This could effect cavers heading on a road-trips, maybe
even towards Arkansas, as it could dump a lot of rain.

I can't leave before the storm passes, or changes course and heads
further south for Port Aransas ( just kidding Sheryl ).

If the storm moves up the coast along the route that cavers are
driving to the convention, that could make for a 2,000 mile wet
journey.

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[Texascavers] New Deep Sea Vents

[Mark Minton]

Although not directly related to caving, deep sea vents do 
have lots of interesting critters living around them and are often 
mentioned in connection with extremophiles.  Three new vents have 
recently been discovered, including the deepest one 
ever: 



Mark Minton

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Re: [Texascavers] Wes Skiles

[Frank Binney]

Very sad news indeed. I was just looking at Wes' beautiful photography of
the Bahama blue holes in the new Nat Geo issue yesterday.
I served with Wes on a past NSS video salon jury and have a collection of
his programs--the best underwater cave imagery I've ever seen.
I'll be looking at his videos tonight and thinking about what an incredible
contribution he made in his life.
Frank


On 7/22/10 6:03 AM, "Fofo Gonzalez"  wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> Wes Skiles, famous cave diver and explorer, died yesterday during a
> National Geographic work dive off West Palm Beach.
> 
> I don't have more information now, but this is sad news.
> 
>   - Fofo
> 
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RE: [Texascavers] Wes Skiles

[Geary Schindel]

This was posted on the NSS Cavers Forum, cave diving section by Forrest Wilson.


World class cavediving film maker, Wes Skiles, passed away yesterday (July 21). 
He was working on a video off West Palm Marathon, FL. He was on a rebreather at 
the time. I have no other details right now.

My condolences to his family, and many caving buddies.

Edit: I just heard it was actually off Marathon, FL.

-Original Message-
From: Fofo [mailto:gonza...@msu.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:04 AM
To: texascavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Wes Skiles

Hello.

Wes Skiles, famous cave diver and explorer, died yesterday during a 
National Geographic work dive off West Palm Beach.

I don't have more information now, but this is sad news.

  - Fofo

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Re: Re: [Texascavers] Monkey skeleton found in underwater cave...

[tbsamsel]

Called? I could call Gill an ape, but he is not an ape.
 
From wikipedia:
 

Aside from humans (genus Homo), the macaques are the most widespread primate genus, ranging from Japan to Afghanistan and, in the case of the Barbary Macaque, to North Africa. Twenty-two macaque species are currently recognised, and they include some of the monkeys best known to non-zoologists, such as the Rhesus Macaque, Macaca mulatta, and the Barbary Macaque, M. sylvanus, a colony of which lives on the Rock of Gibraltar. Although several species lack tails, and their common names therefore refer to them as apes, these are true monkeys, with no greater relationship to the true apes than any other Old World monkeys.Jul 22, 2010 08:09:11 AM, trog...@cavechat.org wrote:
Tailless monkeys are called "apes".
On 22 July 2010 07:36, Gill Edigar  wrote:
 And what makes anybody think this beast camefrom Africa? Did it have a tail? Old World monkey are tailless; NewWorld monkeys have tails. Are they even related to each other?--Ediger

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Re: [Texascavers] Monkey skeleton found in underwater cave...

[Heather Tucek]

Tailless monkeys are called "apes".


On 22 July 2010 07:36, Gill Edigar  wrote:

>  And what makes anybody think this beast came
> from Africa? Did it have a tail? Old World monkey are tailless; New
> World monkeys have tails. Are they even related to each other?
> --Ediger
>
>

[Texascavers] Wes Skiles

[Fofo]

Hello.

Wes Skiles, famous cave diver and explorer, died yesterday during a 
National Geographic work dive off West Palm Beach.


I don't have more information now, but this is sad news.

 - Fofo

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Re: [Texascavers] Monkey skeleton found in underwater cave...

[Gill Edigar]

For one thing, they said that the ancestors of these monkeys moved in
over 10 million years ago. There weren't any local Indians keeping
pets at that time. For another thing, sea level has been much lower at
various times allowing dry land crossing between what are now
islands--not to mention plate tilting and other movement that would
have affected the sea level and land elevations of the entire region.
And yet another thing is that a lot of animals are carried down
flooding rivers on logs and natural rafts and sent out to sea by
currents and winds to either die on the ocean or to be washed up on
shore--often on islands. And what makes anybody think this beast came
from Africa? Did it have a tail? Old World monkey are tailless; New
World monkeys have tails. Are they even related to each other?
--Ediger

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:52 PM, David  wrote:
> Did the monkeys float on pieces of wood from Miami or Cuba to to arrive at the
> island of the Hispanola, or did they float northward and island hop up
> the Lesser Antilles?
>
> I won't buy either of those theories.
>
> I can already here the Creationist say this is "the missing link" to
> prove life was created 6,000 years ago.
>
> It would be interesting to think that a monkey ( or koala bear like
> creature ) somehow floated
> from Africa across the Atlantic.   But the odds of that seem low.
>
> My hunch is that the monkey was like a pet to the indians that
> original came to the islands and they brought it.
>
> David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] Candwiches--the new cave food

[tbsamsel]

Old.. cheeseburger in a can..
 
http://www.gizmag.com/the-canned-cheeseburger--fast-food-in-the-wilderness/8713/Jul 21, 2010 04:48:11 PM, power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote:
Still looking for a variety of food to take caving? Check this out: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/38268129/ns/today-foodwine/?GT1=43001 The smart person will be the one who writes this guy and offers to field test the sandwiches if he'll supply them.

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